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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Pressure on Culture Secretary Maria Miller mounts as the Tory press, | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
Tory voters and even a Tory Minister turn against her. That's our top | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
story. The economic outlook is getting | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
rosier. But Ed Miliband is having none of it. The cost of living | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
crisis is here to stay, says Labour. Shadow Minister Caroline Flint joins | :00:57. | :01:06. | |
us for the Sunday Interview. And we bring you the Sunday Politics | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Gallery. But which former world leader is behind these paintings of | :01:10. | :01:10. | |
In the South West ` the badger cull world leaders? | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
In the South West ` the badger cull decision disappoints both sides. | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
And the railway reopens, but has the cost of being cut off been | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
overstated? new London borough. A blue flint for | :01:23. | :01:23. | |
regeneration or economic Armageddon? And with me as always, the best and | :01:24. | :01:36. | |
the brightest political panel in the business - Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
and Nick Watt. Their tweets will be as brief as a Cabinet Minister's | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
apology. A frenzy of betting on the Grand | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
National yesterday. But there was one book on which betting was | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
suspended, and that was on the fate of Culture Secretary Maria Miller, | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
now the 2/1 favourite to be forced out the Cabinet. She galloped | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
through her apology to the Commons on Thursday in just 32 seconds. But | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
speed did her no favours. There's been mounting pressure on her to | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
resign ever since, especially from Tories. And this weekend the | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
Chairman of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
Ian Kennedy, said it's time MPs gave away the power to decide how | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
colleagues who break the rules are punished. An inquiry into Maria | :02:15. | :02:29. | |
Miller's expenses claims was launch in 2012, following allegations he | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
claimed ?90,000 to fund a house she lived in part time with her parents. | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
She had designated this her second home. She was referred to the | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, who recommended that | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
she repay ?45,000. But this week the Commons Standards Committee, | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
comprising of MPs from all parties, dismissed the complaint against | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
Maria Miller and ordered her to repay just ?5,800 for inadvertently | :02:59. | :03:07. | |
overclaiming her merge claimants. She was forced to apologise to the | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
Commons for the legalistic way she dealt with the complaints against | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
her. But Tony Gallagher told the Daily Politics on Friday: We got a | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
third call from Craig Oliver who pointed out, she is looking at | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
Leveson and the call is badly timed. I think if you are making a series | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
of telephone calls to a newspaper organisation investigating the | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
conduct of a Cabinet Minister, that comes close | :03:33. | :03:33. | |
After that interview Craig Oliver contacted us, saying there was no | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
threat in anyway over Leveson. I mead it clear at the time. Tony | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
Gallagher is talking rubbish about me, and you can use that. The Daily | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
Telegraph have released a tape of a phone call between Maria Miller's | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
aid, Joanna Hindley, and a reporter investigating her expenses claim. | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
Joanna Hindley said: Maria's obviously been having quite | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
a lot of editor's meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I'm just | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
going to kind of flag up that connection for you to think about. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
The Prime Minister is sticking by his Culture Secretary, but this | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
weekend's crescendo of criticism of her presents him with a problem and | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
he could be wishing Maria Miller would just fall on her sword. Even | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
over 80% of Tory voters in a Mail on Sunday poll think she should go. On | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
the Andrew Marr Show, the Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
Smith, defended his colleague. I've known her always to be a reasonable | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
and honest person. But is she doing the Government or her any good by | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
staying in office at the moment, do you think? This is a matter the | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
Prime Minister has to take consideration of and she herself. My | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
view generally is I'm supportive of Maria, because if we are not careful | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
we end one a witch-hunt of somebody. And I'm joined now by the | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
Conservative MP, Bob Stewart, and the man in the white suit, former MP | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
and anti-sleaze campaigner Martin Bell. Welcome to you both. Stuart | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
Stuart sturkts let me put this to you, a Conservative MP told this | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
programme, this is a quote, she has handled this appallingly. Downing | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
Street has acted like judge and jury, for Craig Oliver to get | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
involved is disastrous. She's been protected by the whips from the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
start. What do you say to that? It's not great, is it? The fact of the | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
matter is the question one should ask is, did she deliberately try to | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
make money? Did she deliberately try to obscure ate? The answer is she | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
certainly didn't deliberately try to make money, in the system, which was | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
the old system, and with regard to obscure ago, I wasn't there, but | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
let's put it this way. She was going through a quasi-judicial process and | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
might have ended up in court, so she has a right to defend herself. Hold | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
on o you said she doesn't do it to make money, she remortgaged the | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
house a couple of times to earn more interest to us, the taxpayer, and | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
when interest rates went down she didn't reduce the amount she was | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
charging in expenses. Well, the point is the adjudicator said there | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
was ?45,000 she was owed. And then a committee, Standards Committee, said | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
actually it should be reduced. That was mainly MPs but there are three | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
lay members. Yes, but they don't have the vote. OK, fine, that is | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
where it is wrong and we've got to get it sorted. Let me put another | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
quote from our Conservative MP. He didn't want to be named. None of you | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
do at the moment. I'm being named. But you are backing her. George | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
young in cahoots. He's been leading on the Standards Committee to find | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
her innocent. The Standards Committee is unfit for purpose. I | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
think the Standards Committee should be revisited. I think the system is | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
still evolving. And I think actually we ought to have totally independent | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
judgment on MPs' pay and allowances. We haven't have not got there yet | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
and that is where it is wrong. Martin Bell, have MPs interfered in | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
the Maria Miller process and with the current Standards Commissioner | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
in the same way that they saw off a previous Commissioner they thought | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
was too independent? Andrew it is exactly the same. Yesterday I looked | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
at a diary entry I made for May 2000, I said, dreadful meeting | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
standards and privileges, they are playing party politics. One of them | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
told Elizabeth fill kin to her face the gossip in the tea room was she | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
had gone crazy. Nothing's changed. What this shows is most of all, | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
what's the committee for? If it is just going to rubber stamp what the | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
party wants and its mates, I don't see any point. But it hasn't rubber | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
stamped. It's changed it. Well, it has watered down. That's why we | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
should make it totally independent and it shouldn't be involved in the | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
House of Commons. It is plus plus ca change isn't it? MPs', scandal, and | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
MPs closing ranks for one of their own. Has the Commons learned | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
nothing? And this is after the expenses scandal, where everything | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
was out for everybody to see, you would think MPs would be careful. | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
This is before the expenses scandal. We are looking at an historical | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
event, during your time, Martin, not mine. I'm clean on this. You | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
campaigned for him as an independent. I did, he was a good | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
friend of mine. And now you've joined the club. And now you are | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
defending Maria Miller? I'm defending someone who hasn't been | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
proved guilty of anything beyond the fact she was rather slow to come | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
forward with evidence. My point on that, is I understand that. MPs are | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
being lambasted the whole time these days. There were a heck of a lot of | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
them, Martin, who are utterly decent. She didn't try to make | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
money. We've just been through that. I don't think that's right. The jury | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
is out on that. What should have happened in the Miller case, Martin | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Bell? I don't think there should be a committee on standards. I think | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
the Commissioner should make a report. There has been to be justice | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
for the MP complained against. Then the committee of the whole House can | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
consider it. But we are, the House of Commons, then as now is incapable | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
of regulating itself. That's been proving yet again. She made a | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
perfunctory apology. She threatened and instructed the Standards | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
Commissioner investigating her, and her special adviser linked expenses | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
to Leveson, when trying to stop the Daily Telegraph from publishing. I | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
mean, is that the behaviour of a Cabinet Minister? Well, it's | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
probably not the behaviour of someone that's got time on their | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
hands. She's a very busy Cabinet Minister. Well, she had enough time | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
to write lots of letters to the Standards Commission ser. She felt | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
under such threat. She had the time. She had to make the time. Die know | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
the lady is not trying desperately to make money. I disagree but on | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
that. The fact of the matter is, this was an old, old system, that | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
we've tried to put right, or the Commons has tried to put right. I | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
agree that MPs shouldn't get involved in this. Should we get rid | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
of this committee? It serves no purpose except to cause trouble. The | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
adjudicator has said that and it should be the end of it. It | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
shouldn't come back to the Commons. Although her special adviser | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
threatened them over Leveson she was and is the Minister responsible for | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
trying to introduce something like Leveson and that is something a big | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
chunk that the press doesn't want. She is a target. It has a good | :10:57. | :11:04. | |
record on this issue. It played wit a straight bat. The facts aren't in | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
dispute are they? Will she make it to the next cabinet reshuffle and | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
then go? Iain Duncan Smith said it is a matter for the Prime Minister. | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
In my view, as things stand, I question did she deliberately want | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
to make money? I don't think she did. Should she go? No. Should she | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
be reshuffled? I don't know. Goodness me, you are asking someone | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
who will never be reshuffled, because he will never make it. I was | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
only asking for your opinion, not your ability to do it. This is a | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
problem for Cameron isn't it? It is a problem for Cameron. There is | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
nothing wrong with returning to be badge benches, as you know. Hear, | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
hear. To that. Stick with me. Helen, can she survive? Is I'm going out of | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
the prediction game when I said Clegg is going to win the date, so I | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
owe Janan a tenner on that one. Grant Shapps has supported her. She | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
was ringed by Sir George young and Jeremy Hunt... This is pretty | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
devastating. On past form David Cameron hates having to bounce | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
people out of the cabinet. He will want to keep Maria Miller until the | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
summer reshuffle. This is a question mark on whether she survive this is. | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
This isn't damaging to the Conservative or the Labour Party, it | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
is damaging to everyone. This is catastrophic damage to the entire | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
political establishment. Every single speech that David Cameron and | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
Ed Miliband have given since 2009, talking about restoring trust, they | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
can wipe them from their computers, because voters are going to look | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
that there and say, this lot haven't learnt anything. They are giving | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
perfunctory apologies and then you have MPs sitting in judgment on MPs | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
and rather than paying back ?45,000, she pays back ?5,800 after MPs have | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
been into it. Damage is huge. Just getting rid of one Cabinet Minister, | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
you will need to do more than that. You will notice that Labour haven't | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
made huge weather of this. No, goodness me, they have their own | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
skeletons. Exactly. The person who has made hay out of this is Nigel | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
Farage, who has not been backwards in coming forward. He doesn't seem | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
to care about skeletons. The Prime Minister has be-Gunby backing her, | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
but that's not popular even with Tory voters. How does he get out of | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
this? This is the problem for him. Five years ago his reaction to the | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
expenses scandal was seen by many Tory backbenchers as excessive. They | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
felt hung out to dry by a man who is independently wealthy. To go from | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
that to making a special exemption to Maria Miller because it is | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
politically suitable is more incendiary and provocative. It is | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
not just upsetting the voters and the Daily Telegraph but a good | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
number of people behind him. I think they will get rid of her. I think | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
the Government, to paraphrase Churchill, will zoo the decent thing | :14:13. | :14:20. | |
after exhausting all options, of the European elections a reshuffle. The | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
culture department has gone from a baulk water in haul to one of the | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
most politically sensational jobs because of its proximity to the | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
Leveson issue. She has to be replaced by someone Lily skillful | :14:33. | :14:44. | |
and substantial. Mr Cameron is not short of smart women? Nikki Morgan, | :14:45. | :14:55. | |
the education department, these are absolutely outstanding women and the | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
problem that the generation elected in 2005, Maria Miller generation, | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
there are some really good people elected in 2010. You are not | :15:06. | :15:13. | |
responsible for hacking into the culture Department's Twitter account | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
last night? I was out at the time! They all say that! One so, Maria | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
Miller is like a modern-day Robin Hood... She robs the poor to help | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
the rich. Which one of us has not embezzled the taxpayer? I reckon it | :15:33. | :15:42. | |
is the lady. You have the perfect cover. We would not know how to, | :15:43. | :15:50. | |
would we? You cannot tweet from a mobile device, can you? Play it | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
safe. No, do something dramatic. Have lots of pledges. Have just a | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
few pledges. Ah, there must be a Labour policy review reaching its | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
conclusion because everyone has some free advice for the party about its | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
message and the man delivering it. Here's Adam. He is well liked by the | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
public don't quite buy him as a leader. The papers say he is in hock | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
to the unions and the party has a lead in the polls but it is not | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
solid. Bartenders Neil Kinnock. That is what they said Winnie who lost | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
the 1982 election. The whole country deserves better and we will work to | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
ensure that the day will come when with the Labour government, the | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
country will get better. Someone who was there can see some spooky | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
parallels. The important lesson from 1992 is it cannot rest on your | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
laurels and hope for the best, you cannot sit on a lead of seven points | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
because the election narrows that and you cannot rely on the | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
government not getting its act together because the Conservative | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
Party was well funded and organised, the double whammy posters, the tax | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
bombshell, but incredibly effective and the message was unified and they | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
beat us on the campaign. The lesson for Labour today is this lead will | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
evaporate quite possibly over the next few months and we might go into | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
the election behind in the polls. But Ed Miliband is getting | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
conflicting advice about how to avoid 1992 happening. Be bold, be | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
cautious and then, the idea that Labour can squeak into office with | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
just 35% of the vote, which worries some people. Each month, the Labour | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
Party meets around the country and last week, everybody spoke about the | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
dangers of this 35% strategy. They were increasingly unhappy and it is | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
very important that those people around the leader naturally have a | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
duty to protect him and they make sure he gets this message that while | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
there is total support for him, they do want this key year in the run-up | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
to the General Election to be putting out an alternative which we | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
can defend on the doorstep. The doorstep where Neil Kinnock made his | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
concession speech is crammed with Spanish back hackers. The old Labour | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
offices are no a budget hostel. Labour headquarters is down the road | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
and they are putting the finishing touches to a speech Ed Miliband will | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
give this week about the cost of living and I am told he will drop | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
hints about new policies in juicy areas like housing, low pay, growth | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
and devolving power. As for the charge that they are not radical | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
enough, his people say they want to be bold but they have to be credible | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
as well. They say that Labour is more united than it has ever been | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
but there has been some grumbling that the cost of living campaign is | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
not the same as a vision for the country. And that Ed Miliband was | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
not statesman-like enough at Prime Minister's Questions and one figure | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
who sat at the same table in the Neil Kinnock years summed it up like | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
this. Things are OK but it feels like we're playing for the draw. | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint joins me now for the Sunday | :19:25. | :19:39. | |
Interview. This 35% victory strategy, it does not sound very | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
ambitious? I am campaigning to win this election with a majority | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
government and everybody else around the table is also. But we want to go | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
to every corner of the country and win votes for Labour and win seats, | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
that is what we are working towards. To avoid last time, the coalition | :19:59. | :20:06. | |
bartering. But that 35% is a victory strategy so are you saying there is | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
no 35% strategy and that no one at the heart of Labour is not arguing | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
for this? We are working to win around the country and to win all of | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
those battle ground seats and we must have a strategy that appeals to | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
a cross-section of the public but within that, that broad group Queen | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
Elizabeth Olympic Park and. You could do that with 35% of the vote? | :20:31. | :20:40. | |
There is lots of polling and everyone looks at this about what we | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
need to do to get seats and we want to have a comprehensive majority at | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
the next election to win to govern this country. Last week, we have | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
been reading reports of splits in the party over policy and on | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
tactics, even strategy. A struggle for control of the General Election | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
manifesto, we are told. What are you arguing over? I said on the | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
committee and just listening to the film before, it is about being | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
radical but also credible and we are talking about evolution and that is | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
an important subject but we are also united and to be honest, in 2010 | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
people were writing us off saying we would turn on ourselves and that has | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
not been the case. We are not arguing about the fundamentals, we | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
are discussing the policies that are coming up with different colleagues | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
and talking about how we can make sure they are presented to the | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
public and that is part of a process. That is a discussion, not | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
disagreement. The Financial Times, which is usually pretty fair, | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
reports a battle between Ed Miliband's radical instincts and the | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
more business fiscal conservatism of Ed Balls. What side are you on? I am | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
for radical change, I am for energy and I believe strongly we must be | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
formed the market and people might portray that as anti-business but | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
this is about more competition and transparency and others coming into | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
this market so our policy on this is radical, not excepting the status | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
quo. It is also for business. Opinion polls show that few people | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
regard Ed Miliband as by Minister material -- Prime Minister material. | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
That has been true since he became leader. And in some cases, they have | :22:42. | :22:50. | |
been getting worse. Why is that? Opinion polls say certain things | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
about the personalities of leaders, David Cameron is not great either. | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
And they were not great when he was in opposition. At this stage, he was | :22:58. | :23:05. | |
getting 49% as Prime Minister real material and Ed Miliband, 19. -- | :23:06. | :23:14. | |
Prime Minister material. When you look at certain questions that the | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
public is asked about who you think you would trust about being fair in | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
terms of policy towards Britain, who understands the cost of living | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
crisis, they very much identify with Ed Miliband. We are ahead in the | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
polls. Ed Miliband has made that happen. We have one more | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
councillors, we have been running in by-elections and we have held this | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
government over the barrel over six months on energy prices. That is to | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
do with his leadership. The more that voters save him, the less they | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
seem convinced. In 2011, he had been leader for one year, and only 11% | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
regarded him as weird, by 2014, that was 41%. Look at that! Look at that | :24:02. | :24:11. | |
weirdness! What people need is to know where the Labour Party stands | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
on fundamental issues. And in those areas, particularly the cost of | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
living and fairness and people being concerned that we are entering into | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
a period where people will be worse for the first time ever at the end | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
of the Parliament, these things are important and Ed Miliband is part of | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
our success. Definitely. I think this is ridiculous, to be fair, he | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
is not a politician that says, I am dying with the Arctic monkeys, I | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
know who is the number one. He did not play that game. -- down. He is | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
not either there to portray himself as someone who was with the | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
children, I know everything about popular culture. His authenticity is | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
the most important thing. People do not think he is authentic, unless | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
they think we were at is authentic. Is it true that his staff applaud | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
him when he comes back after giving even a mediocre speech? I have never | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
heard that. I have never heard about him being applauded. And I am | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
pleased to applaud him with he makes speeches, I have given him a | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
standing ovation. You have to do that because the cameras are | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
rolling! No, he made a good speech. Five minutes without notes. It took | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
a long time to memorise I don't blame him! The cost of living. | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
Focusing on that, it has paid dividends. But inflation is falling | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
and perhaps collapsing, unemployment is falling faster than anybody | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
thought, as we can see. Wages are rising, soon faster than prices. | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
Retail sales are booming, people have got money in their pockets. | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
Isn't the cost of living crisis narrative running out of steam? I do | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
not think so and I should say that I welcome any sign of positive changes | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
in the economy, if anybody gets a job in Doncaster, I am pleased by | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
the end of this Parliament families will be over ?900 worse off because | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
of tax and benefit changes and the working person is ?1600 worse off | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
and it is the first government since the 1870s where people will be at | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
the end of the Parliament. We believe the government made wrong | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
choices that lead the rich off at the expense of those on middle and | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
lower incomes. -- let the rich. The average family ?794 worse off from | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
tax and benefit changes. That has been backed up. They are those | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
figures. But he has skewed these figures by including the richest, | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
where the fall in tax and the penalty they pay is highest. If you | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
take away the richest, it is nowhere near that figure. Everybody agrees | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
and even the government and knowledges that at the end of their | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
tenure in Parliament, people will be worse off. 350,000 extra people who | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
would desperately like full-time work who are working part-time and 1 | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
million young people unemployed and the reason the cost of living has a | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
residence is people feel that. I was in a supermarket and at Doncaster | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
and someone summed this up, he said I work hard and at the end of the | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
week, beyond paying bills, I have got nothing else. If you take away | :27:44. | :27:51. | |
the top 10% who are losing over ?600,000, the average loss comes | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
down to around ?400, less than half of what you claim. That figure is | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
totally misleading. These are the figures from the IFS. It still | :28:04. | :28:11. | |
shows... Whatever way you shape this, people will still be worse | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
off, families worse off because of these changes to tax and benefits | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
and working people because wages have not kept up with prices. Your | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
energy portfolio, you back the enquiry into the big six companies | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
and you intend to go ahead with the price freeze and reconfigure the | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
market even before it reports. If you win, this is a waste of time? | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
Whilst we have had this process before the announcement, we always | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
feel if it goes that way, there might be areas we have not thought | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
of that the enquiry will also draw attention to that we might want to | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
add on. You are right, our basic reforms for the new regulator, to | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
separate generation supply, we will pursue that. What happens if this | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
report concludes that your plans are not correct? You will still go | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
ahead? I don't think so. Actually, if you look at the report that Ofgem | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
produced, some of the issues Labour has been drawing attention to like | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
vertical integration, they cover that. I was asking about the | :29:15. | :29:22. | |
Competition Commission? The report last week is a result of working | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
together and I think it is clearly accepted in this sector, look at SSE | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
last week, they will separate the business. We are pushing at the open | :29:33. | :29:50. | |
door. It has already pulled out of gas. So it follows if you freeze | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
energy prices across the market, it might be the right thing to do but | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
there will be a cost in terms of jobs and investment, correct? Well, | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
I met with SSE last weekand the chief executive and talked about | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
these issues. The jobs changes are partly about them looking at how | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
they could be more efficient as a company. On offshore wind that | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
wasn't really to do with the price freeze. That was more to do with | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
issues around confidence in that area and therefore willing to put | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
the money into it, as well as technical issues as well But | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
there'll be job losses. Is that a price worth paying? We believe the | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
reason we are having a price freeze is these companies have been | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
overcharging customers and haven't been investing in their | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
organisations and making them more efficient. I do not believe a price | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
freeze is linked to job losses. These companies do need to be more | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
efficient. Goal for all of us is realising the fantastic opportunity | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
for more jobs and growth from an energy sector that has certainty | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
going forward. That's what Labour will deliver. Caroline Flint, thank | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
you. It's 1130 and you're watching The | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
now for Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up here | :31:07. | :31:16. | |
Hello, I'm Martyn Oates, coming up on the Sunday Politics in the South | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
West. The sunshine after the rain ` | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
dredging is under way in Somerset, but are ministers doing enough to | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
protect us from future floods? And for the next 20 minutes, I'm | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
joined by a brace of Defra ministers, past and present, which | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
is excellent news, given today's bill of fare. The Exeter MP Ben | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
Bradshaw and Farming Minister and Cornish MP George Eustice. | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
Our main rail line is finally open again. Now the focus is shifting to | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
making it more secure and providing a storm`proof alternative. But have | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
claims about the economic damage caused by the Dawlish disaster been | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
grossly exaggerated? A professor at the Institute for Transport Studies | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
has told the Sunday Politics they almost certainly have. | :32:01. | :32:10. | |
One of the last replacement bus services to serve Plymouth station. | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
Reopening the track at Dawlish brings two months of inconvenience | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
to an end. Or does it? To the honest, it is even faster! It is | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
beef `` it has been pretty efficient. But businesses and | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
council leaders have been extremely gloomy Abadi economic cost of the | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
Dawlish closures. I needed an immediate ?8 million a day hit for | :32:37. | :32:44. | |
the Cornish economy. We are talking about and Plymouth, ?4 million or ?5 | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
million a day. But this is less than clear cut as well. The Economist | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
crunching the figures say that he has had a lot of difficulty finding | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
businesses that are significantly affected. We tend use passenger | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
surveys, asking about the extent to which their journeys have been | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
elongated, whether they have cancelled any of the journeys they | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
had done. It has been difficult in the Dawlish case. Because the rail | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
replacement services are slightly faster than the traditional rail. | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
Indymedia to wake of the Dawlish disaster, David Cameron encouraged | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
hopes of faster and more frequent strains. Since then, First Great | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
Western has proposed introducing one earlier train from Paddington. Could | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
that be all the PM was hinting at? If that is it, I think the voters in | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
the South West are going to take it out on the Prime Minister at the | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
coming elections. Because that not acceptable. Yes, it is welcome to | :33:45. | :33:52. | |
have it open, `` to have another train, but we were expecting that | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
anyway under the new franchise deal. Then, a number of your colleagues | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
said it was costing millions a day. That looks a bit dubious now. I | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
think you pays your money, you pay `` you pays your money you takes | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
your choice. It is difficult to measure this. I don't think that | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
there's any doubt that losing a railway line has been serious for | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
our economy. For day`to`day activity and also the image of projects to | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
the rest of the world. Let's not exaggerate it, but let's not | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
underestimate it. George, the fact that a replacement bus was faster | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
than the rail link we are returning to with such great celebration, is a | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
pretty sad indictment of the rail link? I think the first thing to say | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
is to take our hats off to First Great Western to get it back so | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
quickly and running such an effective replacement service. I | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
agree with what Ben said, it is disruptive to our economy to have | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
that break in the service. It is all very well saying it did not cost | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
people any more and the service was faster, but it is a lot more | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
inconvenient to have to get on and off with all your bags. The bad news | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
around the Dawlish line and those images of the line being destroyed | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
around January, left an impression around the country that Cornwall is | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
difficult to get to. So it is great that we have this back on track and | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
our train line is up and running. It has always been difficult to make | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
accurate assessments of the damage in economic terms to the economy and | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
we can argue about that. But now that we have it up and running, we | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
have got the service. Everybody agrees we want something better, | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
loss of disagreement about what form it should take. Tudor Evans and | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
Labour colleagues are keen on faster trains. Is that a priority? Of | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
course, it would be additional `` it would be nice if the additional line | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
would speed up at busy times. You can understand that everywhere would | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
welcome that. But let's await the outcome of this review. Let's hope | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
that it takes the wider economic benefit and the climate change | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
resilience factors into account and then make a judgement then. The | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
Prime Minister has suggested that faster trains are the thing. Is it | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
your position? When you are right down in West Cornwall, it is a long | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
journey. It will always take a long time. If we can improve journey | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
times, great. There are a number of projects that Cornwall Council | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
working on, to have a more frequent service from Penzance to Plymouth, a | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
half hourly service. Bringing forward investment in signalling so | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
that we can get slightly faster journey times. But we have to live | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
with the reality that it will always be a five`hour journey to West | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
Cornwall. That means the sleeper service is very important. It is | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
good that we got that extended and we have additional rolling stock. I | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
would like to see that improved as well. When you are in West Cornwall, | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
it is a long journey and you need to make it as comfortable as possible. | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
We must move on. Badger culls will continue this year | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
as part of the government's strategy to tackle TB in cattle. But only in | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
the two existing areas in Somerset and Gloucestershire. The government | :37:19. | :37:20. | |
this week ruled out more widespread culling after an independent report | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
criticised the effectiveness and humaneness of the cull so far. | :37:24. | :37:25. | |
The Environment Secretary leaned heavily on the science when he made | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
his long`awaited announcement on the future of the badger cull. What we | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
are saying is that there are clear lessons to learn from the panel | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
report. There are clear lessons in practical terms which we learnt. And | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
so I think we are sensibly continuing with the existing two | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
pilots so that we can perfect this system of removing diseased | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
wildlife. The Liberal Democrats were quick to claim it as a political | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
victory for themselves within the coalition. "Lib Dems halt spread of | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
badger cull", boasts this press release. At least one Conservative | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
ruefully agrees. I am afraid it is national politics played again and I | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
wish we could just cull in the areas where we have the most disease. | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
Keeping everybody happy in this most contentious of issues was never | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
going to happen but Lib Dems aside, it is difficult to find anyone else | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
who is pleased about this decision. Farmers and anti`cull protesters are | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
united...in disappointment. Politically, surely that is a | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
lose`lose situation for the government. Massive disappointment | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
that we are not rolling out the cull. I see that as the only way | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
we'll get on top of this disease. This trial cull was never effective | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
so it would be madness to continue culling. `` neither effective nor | :38:41. | :38:49. | |
humane. To discuss this, we're joined by one | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
of the Lib Dems who opposed the extension of the cull ` Stephen | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
Gilbert. I want to begin with George. A week ago, the government | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
was quite clear that the Lib Dems have scuppered Conservative plans to | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
amend the hunting act. Do you accept that they have done the same thing | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
in terms of stopping a wider roll`out of the badger cull? I | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
don't. But this is a government decision. There was a consensus. It | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
is important that we get the methodology of the skull right | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
before we roll it out. The concerns of the panel around the | :39:26. | :39:33. | |
effectiveness and some of the marksman, the right thing to do is | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
to focus nonetheless, as we always said we would, at improving Yeost | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
two, three, four. Then we can get a roll`out. `` at improving years two, | :39:46. | :39:53. | |
three, and four. Is it the Lib Dems what one it? No, I think it is the | :39:54. | :40:02. | |
science. So this Lib Dem pamphlet proposing a political victory is | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
wrong? I have opposed a badger cull. But when the government's own | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
independent panel says that the cull is inhumane and vast the more | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
expensive than anticipated, the evidence, it would have been full | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
Hardy for the government to extend the cull. I know you believe that, | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
but are you saying there has not been weeks of haggling and basically | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
Nick Clegg has blocked a conservative wish to roll this out? | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
What I am saying is that the independent panel has said that | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
culling is ineffective and inhumane and would not work to combat the | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
spread of bovine TB. What we are all united on is saying that TV in our | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
farming communities is having a devastating effect and we need to | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
invest in a programme of vaccination to make sure that we can vaccinate | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
badgers as well as cattle. But culling will not work. Then, | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
irrespective of how this came about, is it not a reasonable position to | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
say that we are learning as we go along, the independent panel has | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
made decisions we have taken `` and make criticisms as we had taken | :41:12. | :41:19. | |
aboard, and we want to learn. Let's set aside this artificial argument. | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
Of course it makes sense. But what I don't understand about what the | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
government has done is that they have cancelled the roll`out, but | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
they are carrying on with the pilot. If the pilots have been a failure, | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
why continue them? The reality is that there is no example anywhere in | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
the world of a country that has eradicated TB with the reservoir of | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
the disease in the wild population. Unless you do some culling, you | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
don't get the disease benefits `` the root disease reduction benefits. | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
Three sites had a slow start in year one, removing between 30% and 40% of | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
the badgers. They have carried on for a subsequent two years and | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
increase the reduction of the disease. But what worries me is that | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
there will not be oversight of the trials. There will be. This is the | :42:23. | :42:31. | |
right thing to do. It is not popular, and if there was an | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
alternative, we would be doing it. But the more I have looked at this, | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
the truth is that it is a very different disease to fight and you | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
need to pursue a range of options. Yes vaccination, yes cattle control. | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
Just briefly, I see you are disputing the claim of fellow Lib | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
Dems that they defeated this, if you look at occasions when Nick Clegg | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
has weighed in and stop policy, you are left with laws reform, the | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
hunting act and possibly this. `` the Lords reform. Interesting | :43:04. | :43:10. | |
priorities. Hold on, we also stop the Conservatives making profits out | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
of state schools and plans to allow employers to fire at will. And in | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
the Commons a couple of weeks ago, Conservative MPs were asking for a | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
full list of what Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems have stopped. I would like | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
to see that list published. We have to leave it there, Stephen, thank | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
you very much. The head of the Environment Agency | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
has admitted he should have pushed a lot harder for dredging in Somerset | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
and he says more money should be spent on maintaining watercourses in | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
future. He was giving evidence to the Environment Select Committee's | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
inquiry into this winter's floods. The Environment Secretary also | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
appeared but had little to say about more money for maintenance. Just as | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
well we've got George here to tell us more ` after this report by Jenny | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
Kumah. February 14th and Kingsand is hit by | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
a storm that would make national news headlines. Alan Hudson and his | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
wife had to escape their seafront property through a window. And the | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
water depth on the roadside was four foot. So as soon as we opened the | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
kitchen window to get out, that flowed back in this way. And that | :44:13. | :44:22. | |
was a disaster. When we were evacuated through the window. The | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
moment we got out, we were swamped because the water went straight over | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
us. Alan wants to apply for a new government grant this week. The | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
repair and renew scheme means you can get up to ?5,000 to help protect | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
your property from future damage. I need to improve the storm proofing | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
of the shutters if as much as I can, and the windows in here. And the | :44:41. | :44:48. | |
roof. The Flood Minister, Dan Rogerson, visited Newland this week | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
to promote the scheme but he faced difficult questions over plans to | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
cut hundreds of staff who deal with flooding. `` visited new Lynn. The | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
Environment Agency has confirmed that 350 jobs are to go by October. | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
That is a lot lower than the 1,700 that were originally earmarked to go | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
and that is because of the ?140 million of flood money that has been | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
announced in the recent budget. Stop the cuts! Save the jobs! Earlier | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
this year, the unions protested against the original proposals. They | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
are still worried about the reduced job cuts even though the Environment | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
Agency says it will protect front`line jobs. When there are | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
emergencies, like we have recently seen, staff can be deployed in from | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
the offices. So to take another 350 out of that, it means that when we | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
have these emergencies, the staff will not be there to be deployed to | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
respond to the problems and to deal with what are very serious issues. | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
This week, dredging started on the Somerset Levels after years of | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
campaigning. On Wednesday, Chris Smith, who is chairman of the | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
Environment Agency, admitted to a select committee that he should have | :46:02. | :46:11. | |
pushed harder for this. George, the environment select | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
committee produced a report last July which said that the government | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
should dredge and spend more money on maintaining watercourses, not | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
necessarily building watercourses. They have been proved right? This | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
was the wettest winter for 250 years, said these were exceptional | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
service `` circumstances. But the Environment Agency had a partnership | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
scheme on the Somerset levels so they did do some dredging on the | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
pinch points. Since these floods, we have now committed to dredge a major | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
part around the Somerset levels. But it is wrong to say that nothing was | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
done. There was money on the table. The focus from the Environment | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
Secretary about what is being done this week but the committee members | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
were interested in looking ahead, what money there might be for | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
maintenance of watercourses. I think sometimes people confuse... There | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
are three things. We will be spinning record amounts on flood | :47:17. | :47:18. | |
infrastructure and we have already spent more in the past four years | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
than in the previous four years. And sometimes, the investment that you | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
may, the capital investment, is all about improving existing | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
infrastructure. Upgrading or replacing it. So it is wrong to say | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
that it is just new capital projects. Sometimes they are adding | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
to what is there. And we are pursuing partnerships funding which | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
makes it easier to get new money in. Not much money, though, is it? It | :47:45. | :47:53. | |
has brought in additional money. That sounds pretty good, doesn't it? | :47:54. | :48:00. | |
Well, no, in short. I don't agree have not `` I don't think we have | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
yet risen to the size of this challenge. A report this week says | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
that we have to be much more serious about long`term resilience and flood | :48:12. | :48:19. | |
defence. I am also looking for a holistic approach to flood | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
management. Dredging is all very well, but it won't solve all the | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
problems and in some cases it could make things worse. Land management | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
is really neglected and could make an important contribution. | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
Now our regular round`up of the political week in sixty seconds. | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
Communities are asked to take on more than half of Devon's libraries | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
as the County Council cuts its support. It is a difficult position | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
to be in but I'm confident that we still have the support of the | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
council. We have not totally been abandoned. The council has also | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
withdrawn funding from three centres for vulnerable women in Exeter. | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
Worst case scenario, there will be deaths because of this. We really | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
hope that that is not the case, that that is not the reason why people | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
sit up and take note. Let's try and prevent that. | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
Ofgem says that we produce more renewable energy for the | :49:16. | :49:17. | |
government's feed`in tariff than anywhere else in the country. `` | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
supported by the government's feed in tariff. | :49:24. | :49:24. | |
And Devon fishermen want stricter controls on fishing with nets over | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
wreck sites. Too many nets are lost on the wrecks. We catch pollock, but | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
they have been caught in the nets, they are damaged. | :49:35. | :49:52. | |
George, confirmation that the South West is a leader in renewable | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
energy. And we hear about another attempt by some Tory MPs to fight | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
back against wind farms, to reduce wind farms. Where is the government | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
going? There is a role to play for wind turbines, they are the most | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
efficient generation technology we have at the moment. I was starting | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
to get concerned about the sporadic development of single, solitary wind | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
turbines all over the place. Yes to having some wind turbines but we | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
have to get the planning right. Also solar panels, this commit `` this | :50:28. | :50:36. | |
can remove agricultural land. I prefer waiver generation. That is | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
the kind of technology I would prefer us to focus our attention on. | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
You are shaking your head? We have a lot of solar power in energy `` in | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
Exeter. But we will need all of these methods if we have any hope at | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
all of meeting our carbon reduction targets which we have to do if | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
Logitech are the kind of problems which have been dominating these | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
programmes. `` this programme. All of them. | :51:06. | :51:06. | |
That's the Sunday Politics Dobson. Tim Donovan is back in the | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
chair next week. And with that, back to Andrew. Welcome back and time now | :51:10. | :51:23. | |
to get more from our panel. So they can justify their meagre patents. | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
This cost of living mantra will last all the way until the election. | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
Cannot? Ed Miliband leaves he is onto something and for most of this | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
Parliament, inflation has outstripped wages. That is going to | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
go the other way and wages will rise, to which you say Ed Miliband | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
has nothing to say. He says if you think people are going to feel | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
better in the blink of an eye, you are a Conservative and do not | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
understand the depth of this and he is taking the message from a | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
presidential election in America in 2012 and make Romney was ahead on | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
some of the economic indicators but Barack Obama was ahead on the key | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
one, do you believe this candidate will make your family's life | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
better? The message that Ed Miliband will try to say is the next election | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
is about whose side are you on? And he believes Labour will be on the | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
side of more voters than conservatives. It would be crazy for | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
Labour not to talk about the cost of living because even if wages exceed | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
inflation next year, it is not as if voters will walk around feeling like | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
Imelda Marcos, they will still feel as if they were struggling and not | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
just compared... Retail sales are slowing? That is not the sign of | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
palpable disparity. Circumstances are better than three years ago but | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
not better than five years ago. The Reagan question will still be | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
employed, are you better off than at the last election? But things in | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
America were actually getting worse when he asked that. I covered that | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
election, that is why it resonated and they did get worse. The | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
Ayatollah had quadrupled the price of oil. This is based on things | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
getting relatively better, after a very long wait, so the cost of | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
living critique will have to adapt? It will but it gets out of a very | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
sticky spot and the IFS says wages will not outstrip inflation and by | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
that time they can start talking about other things, plans for the | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
railways and tuition fees and at the moment, everything is up for grabs. | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
Labour know that every time they talk about something they want to | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
do, the question is, how do you pay for it? They can talk about the | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
economy and they don't have substantial things to say. Is it | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
true that Mr Iain Duncan Smith was going to make a major announcement | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
on benefit cheats? Or something to do with that this morning? But he | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
decided against it because of the tobacco over Maria Miller? It would | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
be very odd to go on to The Andrew Marr Show to have a chat and see | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
what he is having for lunch. Patrick went from the Guardian said he was | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
going to set out higher financial penalty phase for providing | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
inaccurate information in claims. This is a bad day to do that, given | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
that MP expenses are treated far more lenient the than any one from | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
Joe public. That would be fascinating, if true. And he is | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
making a very big speech on well for tomorrow and this tweet from Patrick | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
went at the Guardian, he has proper sized on welfare matters and he | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
tends to know what is going on. But it would be deeply unfortunate if | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
that was the message today. How can he make a speech that has anything | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
about cracking down on benefit claimants? Not today but I am not | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
sure tomorrow. Do you get the impression that nobody in both main | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
parties is very confident of winning in 2015? I column last week said the | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
result, the most likely result from one year on is another hung | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
parliament and which government results from that depends on the | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
mathematical specifics of whether the Tories can do a deal as well as | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
Labour, leaving everything in the hands of Nick Clegg or whether one | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
party can do a straightforward deal but I do not detect any sense of | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
exuberance or confidence in either camp. And the Tories are still | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
shooting themselves over losing the boundary commission reforms because | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
that was going to net them 20 seats and they lost that because they | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
messed up the House of Lords reform and there are still furious with | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
themselves. The former US President, George W Bush, has been a busy boy | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
and here at the Sunday Politics we thought you'd like to see the | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
results of his artistic endeavours. Time for the gallery. | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
I was a prize to find myself saying, some of these are not bad! -- | :56:08. | :56:55. | |
surprised. Vladimir Putin? I like the one of Tony Blair but his early | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
ones of dogs, to be in the presence of the master is to see his portrait | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
of a Joanne Love. He is not of the Turner prize but I was surprised. He | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
gets the mask of Vladimir Putin, also Tony Blair. I was impressed | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
that he did not allow personal or political grudges to influence his | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
artwork. Jacques Chirac, he comes out of this incredibly well! And | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
Angela Merkel comes out astonishingly well. Quite generous | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
as well. Tony Blair is the best one and the reason is he had the closest | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
relationship with them and he has talked about this portrait, saying | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
he was quite fond of him and you can see that. These are awful, they | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
would not get you an A-level but you must admire him to have the guts to | :57:49. | :57:55. | |
do this, and display them publicly! An A-level? Just doing joined up | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
numbers gets you that these days! What do you do when you retire? This | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
is less embarrassing than some of the other things people have done. | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
As good as Churchill? I don't know... No! Churchill was brilliant! | :58:11. | :58:18. | |
And on that! That's all for today. Tune into BBC Two every day at | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
lunchtime this week for the Daily Politics. And we'll be back at the | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
later time of 2:30pm next Sunday after the London Marathon. Remember, | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :58:29. | :59:58. | |
International teams searching for the missing Malaysian airliner are | :59:59. | :59:59. |