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It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.


Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four


extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up


to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just


Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -


how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger


I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.


And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first


round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact


on the EU and Brexit of this most unpredictable of contests?


In the South West, the region's army of Conservative MPs face


invasion from an alliance of Lib Dems and Greens who say


Will the Remain majority punish the Tories for the decision?


Or feel they may not like it but the Tories


And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap


general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and


brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly


Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this


morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank


holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints


of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be


getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this


morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister


if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike


on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,


give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,


tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you


would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back


to the whole point? Is the objective


to start more strikes that may kill many innocent


people, as has happened? Do you think killing


the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not


being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender


in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that


the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of


Isis. So you've got to think


about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his


reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been


freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of


questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause


to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut


straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the


letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister


when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --


or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he


should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines


and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question


so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make


these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or


damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the


sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's


going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they


will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't


press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to


deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think


most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the


country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would


consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been


on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's


campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr


let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or


SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral


damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the


assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral


damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the


question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,


the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It


turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to


be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about


Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but


not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course


the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a


statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where


are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident


but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We


know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this


through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in


favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is


not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.


The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the


vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always


been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you


want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and


reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like


what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been


involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and


let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world


and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be


said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself


on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree


with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes


poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James


Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would


have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are


going on. So the political parties have had


to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,


mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded


by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -


Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those


planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money


and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral


Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron


to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,


in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million


for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their


election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth


of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure


was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million


to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight


into the recycling. Cheap for all the


enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus


into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing


all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's


discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage


was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper


cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over


?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912


promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total


for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works


out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -


and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative


election campaigns - for the locals next month


and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown


Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that


your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions


in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?


Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw


them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle


buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and


it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and


agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to


include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do


nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way


the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a


careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the


law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had


battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by


14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out


how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because


you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local


constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties


had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I


don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other


battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed


these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.


That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?


Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We


believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What


will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30


people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the


campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election


expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a


hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about


who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,


you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated


the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do


exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we


believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,


stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national


campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will


be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the


Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the


guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if


you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area


where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had


and declared. We haven't worked out what to do


yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and


start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.


I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not


because last time it seems it could have been illegal.


I am sure the campaign will be legal.


You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition


of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP


and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?


Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying


to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.


He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see


because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong


majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us


doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a


coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have


ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the


situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then


changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,


once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know


today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in


France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite


right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why


the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general


election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it


comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new


bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St


we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We


will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about


major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's


talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and


next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank


holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to


me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper


elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and


you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?


What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on


the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing


public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,


unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up


substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our


manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in


April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed


Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government


should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives


described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take


that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't


you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister


made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she


outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a


standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next


few weeks when the manifesto was published.


Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say


when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist


act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist


manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...


You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is


unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this


morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it


earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence


services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister


gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.


We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime


Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What


we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.


I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve


if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody


else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines


their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an


organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of


Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister


is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he


wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would


achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes


in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a


regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would


achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But


the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's


been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We


must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone


strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be


prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the


Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but


the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year


negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which


certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or


House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put


in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit


negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the


single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect


every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken


Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will


understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box


behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm


sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a


Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set


out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a


prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's


manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is


what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said


they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the


party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight


this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all


-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will


fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know


that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not


subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be


what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will


always be cases where people have had different views on different


parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the


party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your


manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing


the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do


the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a


few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can


I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying


was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the


party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It


will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the


important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip


Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes


had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do


you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what


he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the


manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the


Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of


the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a


lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national


insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the


manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes


may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative


Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,


people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries


in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative


Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party


which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.


Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden


as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level


since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax


burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more


people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing


economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you


reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We


have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start


paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax


rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax


rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again


between now and June Is France now about to make it


a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies


the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared


in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean


for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact


on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting


the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward


to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De


Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that


no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the


centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by


the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected


to anything and only started his own party


a few months ago. And the far left in the form


of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged


in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the


traditional governing parties is the centre-right's


Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in


the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid


at generous public expense for a job I've just come across


this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood


of the French people. It's got the five main candidates


for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,


the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,


and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,


Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance


of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates


them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's


going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that


two of them may be President But the two of them may not find


themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or


woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing


who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are


the more you may be wrong. The country has largely


stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,


one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is


the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come


to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in


particular the political elite. And an element of


nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive


in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in


the French election. Identity and security has been


as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries


about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how


to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of


which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by


the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before


voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge


victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon


will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will


not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the


National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc


Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French


nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal


discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace


would represent an existential Brexit would simply become


a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels


and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from


Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.


Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist


attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how


that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this


has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One


policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd


with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the


election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a


young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the


terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was


promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's


one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But


now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least


at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might


benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely


anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she


immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if


she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in


France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years


ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan


in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was


asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream


up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,


that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened


overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.


Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the


second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics


will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange


thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go


anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger


that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as


for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people


were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to


change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will


be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time


tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your


city. Now, the Green Party currently has


one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June


as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in


the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign


on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made


a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young


people they've been But one crucial way they've been


betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous


ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year


on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does


the environment need to be doing All the signs are there


and it is young people who are going to be bearing


the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important


that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large


but to young people in particular, I think climate change,


the environment, looking after our precious resources,


has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green


MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.


Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback


cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would


you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed


manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so


I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every


party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last


time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a


position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would


you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes


for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount


of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not


entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000


people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real


focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on


that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an


enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from


country to country and we need European corporation to make that


successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of


changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in


taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the


competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change


the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.


Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending


programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.


If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and


also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10


billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the


upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a


year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not


vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on


the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...


People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above


42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate


changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion


raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of


40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would


put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on


lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,


60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?


It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you


look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,


longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also


older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost


anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The


mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the


Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of


interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of


progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,


social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they


are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has


given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with


backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small


majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must


come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using


the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.


Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the


government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen


otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the


primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium


government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that


is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you


accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical


Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat


to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an


authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have


dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we


are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very


hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the


price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a


price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as


Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr


Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the


Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.


It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.


We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales


and Northern Ireland who leave us now.


Hello, I'm Martyn Oates. minutes, the Week Ahead.


Coming up on the Sunday Politics here in the South West:


Will Labour's new pro-Corbyn members in Plymouth get out


on the doorstep for a candidate from the centre-left?


I want people who are real, I don't want people who are fake.


They're not faking it, they're actually


believing it, they're living it, they want to be a Labour candidate


and they want to be part of a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn.


And for the next 20 minutes, I'm joined by the Lib Dem


peer Judith Jolly, and by Ernie Warrender,


who's hoping to stand for Ukip in June's general election.


Welcome, both of you, to the programme.


To kick things off, should this election be all about Brexit, Ernie?


It's probably going to be but it's virtually a cynical hijacking of


democracy. I feel terribly sorry for Northern Ireland because they will


have to vote again. This isn't about electing a government. In my view


that is pretty much done deal. This is about electing an effective


opposition, and what you have is 17.3 million people who voted for


Brexit, Brexit, Lead, exit, they knew what they were voting for


clearly, and there are serious concerns that Theresa May will not


deliver on immigration, people are worried about fisheries. By putting


Ukip MPs in Parliament to counter the virtually 100% Remain, has to be


done. Judith, you and your leader want to make this about Brexit as


well from the opposing sides. We were watching something about


manifestos earlier and our manifesto will not be all about Brexit. There


is a whole issue around health and social care. It looks like it has


been knocked into the long grass but it is a disaster waiting to happen.


It is not just about Brexit. We have a distinctive view on Brexit,


clearly, and you Anae so far seriously disagree, but... There


will be More Of That, I suspect. There will be More Of That. As the


programme wears on. Once again, the South West looks


like playing a central role in the election,


with particular focus here on the traditional tussle


between the Conservatives The former will be fighting to keep


all the seats they gained The latter will be equally


determined to get them back. And, keen not to be left out,


some of the other parties in the fray are already talking


about pre-election deals Tim Farron rolled into Truro


on local election business just an hour after Theresa May


called the snap election, but the Lib Dems, the party of pavement


politics, say they are The Liberal Democrats have been


calling for an early election, and we've been ready


for an early election, The party machine is


already up and running, local elections, but with a June


the 8th poll, familiar faces are encouraging tactical voting,


where the Lib Dems are in a strong In those seats, we would


clearly be encouraging, indeed, even members


of parties that came third, fourth, fifth last time,


to perhaps think carefully about whether they want to have an MP


who maybe isn't entirely to their liking, but at least firstly is not


a Conservative, and secondly is someone who at least


is on the progressive centre-left. There is one place


in Cornwall where the Green vote alone would have been


enough to get the Lib Dems over This is Andrew George's


old constituency, where the Conservatives beat


him by 2,500 votes. The maths is simple,


but for now, cards are being Certainly there are places,


St Ives and others around the country, where Greens


can make a difference. In other constituencies,


the Lib Dems themselves can make a difference to the outcome,


so what we want to be able to do is to have talks,


to look at this as fast as possible, given the very short time


we have before the election, to see But as in any battle,


it's not all one-sided. Some in Ukip are keen to keep Brexit


top of the agenda, and are considering playing


a similar card. My opinion is that we need to be


very clever, and not necessarily stand wherever we can,


like we have done in the past. In the referendum,


George Eustice was superb. He led from the front,


as did Cheryl Murray and Scott Mann, so I don't see why


we would want to consider getting And while the Greens


this week made an offer to step aside in Plymouth,


where the race is traditionally Labour


versus Tory, the question is, should


the Lib Dems be doing the same? There will be places


in the country where Liberal Democrat supporters would be


wise to vote Labour if they want to Parties of all colours


will be holding talks this week, with any deals needed


to be decided on very soon, amid warnings by some Conservatives that


electoral pacts are undemocratic. And to discuss this,


we're joined by the MP for Camborne and Redruth,


George Eustice. He was mentioned in the report and


joins us from London. We heard there from Bob Smith, your Ukip opponent


in 2015. I think the number of votes they garnered was the size of your


majority. Presumably would be delighted if he stood aside this


time. The reality is, I was a former Ukip candidate in 1999, but their


job is done. This country voted to leave the EU, Ukip was a single


issue party set up to campaign for that, and what we


need to be Theresa May, which is why we need this general election to


clear the air so we have strong and stable leadership going into these


vital negotiations. I want to come to this issue of electoral pacts and


parties standing aside. Ernie, you heard your Ukip colleague Bob Smith


saying in three seats in Cornwall they shouldn't stand. You hope you


will and can stand. I have to say I would sooner stick my sensitive


places in the mouth of a hungry lion than do a pact with the Tories. We


saw what they did to the Lib Dems, they destroyed them. Your job is


done, George, it's a reasonable point,


isn't it? The job isn't done, because when you look at the papers


and all the comments, Theresa May was a Remainer, her Chancellor was a


Remainer, the Brexit committee is 11-7 remain, chaired by Hilary Benn,


the job is not done in any way, and you need Ukip MPs. Plus it is not a


single issue party. When you look at our manifesto, suddenly, the Tories


have had a Damascene change on grammar schools, the NHS, respect


for the Armed Forces, it is not single issue any more. Will George


Eustice face a Ukip challenge? Paul Nuttall was suggesting they could


have him. My view, and we are all inputting into the manifesto at the


moment, if you must give four million people the opportunity to


take a purple and yellow box. It is hijacking democracy if you don't.


Judith, in terms of pacts, Andrew George also said this week that he


would consider it wise for Lib Dem supporters in some constituencies to


vote Labour. This is nothing new. People voted tactically, but it is


new to have parties actually saying, vote for an opposing party.


Certainly, the Green Party were very helpful to us when we won Richmond


recently. I am not party to any deals or conversations about deals


in Cornwall, but I wouldn't be surprised if conversations were


happening. Whether there will be deals or not, I really don't know,


but again, we are very keen to give the country an opportunity to vote


Lib Dem in the same way Ernie has described. Sorry to interject, can I


just say that at the end of the day, when you say a deal, a deal as a two


way event, and it won't be with the Tory party or the Labour Party or


the Lib Dems. Can I come in and say, let the other parties talk about


pacts and coalitions. This is not a time for some coalition between


Ukip, labour, the Green Party and the Lib Dems, to try and do


negotiation. This is a time for strong and stable leadership which


is why we need Theresa May. Do you think the Lib Dems would going to


four way packed? This is not a tie for some chaotic coalition and pact,


-- not a time, this is a time for clarity of leadership to get the


negotiations right, which needs to be Theresa May negotiating. George,


it looks and sounds as if you are cutting to the chase in terms of


what might be one of the main messages from the Tory campaign,


which is you risk getting this coalition of chaos. Of course, last


time you push the line that there was a risk of Ed Miliband's Labour


ruling the country with the SNP. Isn't there a problem that with the


polls as they are, if people think the Conservatives are likely to get


a majority, places like Cornwall and Devon might say, if that will happen


anyway, we would rather have an opposition MP and not give the


government this overwhelming documents at Westminster? I know and


safe seats in the West Country, and safe seats in the West Country, and


it is always hotly contested. I was first elected with a majority of


just 66 and understand the volatility of the West Country. We


take nothing for granted and will be campaigning day in, day out, getting


the message across that this country needs strong, stable leadership but


also the record the Conservatives have delivered as MPs. When we had


Lib Dems they used a point out problems and solve nothing. Since we


have Conservative MPs, local Conservative candidates elected,


they have delivered, getting investment in hospitals and


infrastructure, creating jobs. That's what we need. Judith. I would


take issue with that. Certainly it is the role of an MP, we were having


this discussion earlier, to talk to ministers and put things on, but to


suggest Lib Dems never do that is very disingenuous. Isn't this the


case, and if this is the key message from the Conservatives, but at the


last election, the message that voting Lib Dem could facilitate


labour - SNP coalition was deadly to use. Yes. So this time you should be


worried talking about a coalition of chaos. Yes and no Mac, I am not


worried. We are going out and explaining what our policies are.


Our manifesto will be out in the next week I would imagine along with


the others, and we will do that. In fact we have just had to say to all


those campaigning for local councils, thank you very much but


you can have a day off after the election and we are back on the


doors, so that is what we shall do. Can I just say, George is saying


what a great job the Tories have done, I remember them campaigning


very strongly on getting broadband, communication systems, going in the


West Country. It is better in parts of Africa. It is appalling. That is


a simple nonsense. Cornwall have high-speed broadband... Big problems


in Devon and Somerset, to be fair. They had European money, but that is


another debate! 10 million has gone into piloting broadband in the most


remote areas and we are constantly putting money into rolling out


broadband in moral areas. George Eustice, thank you for joining us.


If the last election was disastrous for the Lib Dems,


it wasn't great for Labour either - Exeter's Ben Bradshaw is the party's


In June, Labour will be hoping to regain at least


one seat in Plymouth, but the selection of candidates


is still to be finalised, and opinion as to whether


the present leadership offers a glorious opportunity or a massive


You have got 50 days between now and possibly changing


A rare insight into the ranks of Corbyn's footsoldiers.


No covert operations here, they say, just passionate politics.


How about we have a session where we start to


But there are a few thorny questions, chiefly,


who fronts up and leads the charge in Plymouth?


Whose name will be spelt out on the ballot paper?


And I hereby declare that Oliver Colville


is duly elected to serve as the member of Parliament for the said


The Plymouth Sutton and Devonport seat is number eight on


Labour's national target list, and at number 14 is the neighbouring


constituency of Moor View, lost by Alison Seabeck in 2015.


She is a Corbyn sceptic, who this week said she


wouldn't be going over the top this time round.


For those leading Corbyn's ever-loyal brigade in


Plymouth, a vacancy for one of their own?


I'm going to say to you fairly clearly that if somebody doesn't


feel it's right for them to campaign as a candidate


with Jeremy Corbyn as leader, then I don't want them to.


I want people who are real, I don't want people who are fake.


They are not faking it, they're actually


believing it, they're living it, they want to be


a Labour candidate, and they want to be part of a Labour


they will campaign for whoever is selected, but this grassroots


organisation that backs Jeremy Corbyn has been likened to Nazi


stormtroopers by one of Labour's own.


Michael Foster ran for the party in Camborne and Redruth in 2015.


He now says traditional party members in Cornwall are being frozen


What is very very clear is that Momentum, who are


now the majority of members, only support their own.


There was no support, when I went out a couple of


times with candidates, at all, from those Momentum members.


The region's only Labour MP has also had well-catalogued disagreements


In one instance, Mr Bradshaw described the leadership as "A


destructive combination of incompetence, deceit and menace."


I think a lot of my colleagues, as you


have seen today, have taken a good, hard look at themselves and their


consciences and have come out and said they just don't think Jeremy


has got the right qualities to take us into an election, and in fact


Unsurprisingly, that's not how they see it


Unsurprisingly, that's not how they see it at the Momentum


The buzz I'm getting from the meeting is enthusiasm - people


are excited by the upcoming election.


Like I said in that room tonight, some of us never thought we


would get the opportunity to do this in our lives,


and suddenly for that moment to arrive, it's like, it


The decision on who fights for Labour and where


now rests with the top brass, who say they'll have their men or


To discuss this, we're joined by Labour MP Ben Bradshaw,


who increased his majority back in 2015.


Welcome to the programme, Ben. Do you not now find yourself


position you predicted a few months position you predicted a few months


ago of being led into a disaster? That was during a leadership


election. But what's changed in terms of your assessment of Jeremy


Corbyn? Let's get a reality check. We are currently more than 20


percentage points behind the Conservatives in the polls. That


landslide territory for the Tories, landslide territory for the Tories,


so anybody, for the sake of our democracy, who doesn't want a


the sake of our schools and the sake of our schools and


hospitals, or who is worried about the extreme version of Brexit the


Tories are pursuing, will do everything they can in this


election, wherever they live, to support the candidate with the


best chance of leading a conservative. Can your party change


radically in the next few months? It cannot but what I have been


campaigning on yesterday, we have more than twice the support in


Exeter on the first day of the campaign yesterday as on my local


record. People in Exeter will vote for the candidate they want to be


their MP for the next five years, they are not voting for a party


leader or a government. The result in Exeter will not affect the


national result, and Labour supporters and members across our


region will do their best to maximise the Labour vote and avoid


the terrible prospect of a landslide Conservative government completely


unchecked, taking its acts to our public services, our schools and


NHS, and pushing this extreme form of Brexit outside the single market


and the customs union, which would be extremely bad for prosperity,


jobs and investment in our region. Do you accept there is no prospect


of a Labour government would Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister? I am


asking you to get real. The reality is we are 20 points behind in the


polls. Don't forget some people may say opinion polls may be wrong, the


problem is in the past when they have been wrong, they have


underestimated the Conservative lead. That is where we are. We are


in a fight against the Tory landslide, and in the south-west we


are in a fight against a 1-party state. I think it would be terrible


for our democracy and the country and for all those people who need


some sort of scrutiny and challenge for what would be the most


right wing Conservative government in our country's history. Just


quickly, we were talking earlier about the idea of Progressive


Alliance, Greens standing in favour of Labour or Lib Dem candidates, do


you have sympathy with this? I don't know what is happening about that


but I have more faith in the intelligence of the British people


to do the right thing. In Exeter and Plymouth, if you don't want a hard


Brexiteer right wing Tory you vote for me or the Labour candidates in


Plymouth. Elsewhere the public are able to make up their own judgment


as to who has the best chance of beating the Conservatives, and I am


sure they will. Judith and Ernie, you are both in different ways


fishing potentially for Labour voters.


Just generally, I think Labour voters are not happy with Jeremy


Corbyn as leader. We are knocking on doors at the moment on the Cornwall


Council campaign and Labour voters are saying they will support us.


Quickly, Ernie, you are in a similar position with this ambition from the


Prime Minister to gain Labour voters in the north, Eurosceptic Labour


voters in the north, you are about the same thing? Not just in the


north to be honest. I did a couple of years on the Assembly line at


Ford in Dagenham. This has become not the Labour Party I knew as


El-Abd. Yes, Ben is right, there needs to be credible and strong


opposition. As I said earlier, the government is a done deal. You are


voting for a strong, credible opposition, checks and balances, and


if the vote Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, you will get us another referendum.


Quickly, Ben, do you have preferences for candidates in


Plymouth, which of course is generally in contention for labour?


I understand the excellent Luke Pollard has already been confirmed


as our candidate. He had a great result, came very close last time,


and I am sure I candidate in the other Plymouth seat will be of


equally high calibre and will work extremely hard. Ben, thank you very


much. Now our regular round-up


of the political week in 60 seconds. The Prime Minister says she'll


be visiting Cornwall ...but I recognise the importance


of small businesses in Cornwall, and I look forward to visiting


Cornwall in the next few weeks and being able to talk to him


and others about the importance A scrappage scheme for diesel cars


is in order, according to Devon MP and EFRA Committee chairman Neil


Parish. This is a policy with


significant public support, especially as we move,


dare I say, towards a general election,


although that's not in my speech. Calls for the law to allow Cornish


flags on numberplates I believe it would be a great way


to serve the new Great Britain that we want post-membership


of the EU. And North Cornwall MP Scott Mann


runs his first London Marathon. I'm hoping to raise ?3,000


so I can give ?1,000 to each of my cottage hospitals,


so please sponsor me, Judith, you are a Cornish pier,


would you like a Cornish flag on your number plate? There are loads!


I have noticed this! I don't think you need a law to do this. It is the


debate on whether it is legal at the moment. I don't think it. The


Cornish people doing it! Ernie, to be fair, a couple of people were


interested in Cornish flags but the point was made by those who tabled


the debate that regional flags of counties, the White Rose of


Yorkshire for instance, any sympathy for that? As the only national party


spokesman for small business for Brexiteer -- who is a Brexiteer, the


rest are in the past, it would be a great boost for the number plate


industry. They would have to change them all. They do it in Australia


with different states. That sounds like government intervention.


Certainly not! LAUGHTER. Small-business. I can tell you Scott


Mann has completed the London Marathon. We must


on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you.


Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement


of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing


But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man


who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign?


Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a


member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So


you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still


hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal


problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to


happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it


is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in


Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton?


I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a


constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise


you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the


candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece


the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was


but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will


regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there.


Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right


reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas


Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we


will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on


Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if


they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think


you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate.


Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I


wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why


do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to


blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules.


You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum


movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a


Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm


interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the


country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive


majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up


candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The


electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post


effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4


million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In


that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and


other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could


help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes.


They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they


don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have


seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going


to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the


Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is


no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP


with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten


up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I


think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform


funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people


can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they


did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling


Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip


has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I


have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be


has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives


but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain


places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an


example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been


forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning


in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see,


the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of


the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said


he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view?


-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a


security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but


I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone


further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim


immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of


integration in certain communities has come about through mass


open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in?


What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on


immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe.


If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big


teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could


not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems


in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they


haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control


of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first


thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and


white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning


that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms


but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a


bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate


Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The


final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the


Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine


if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham


and your community has been radically changed and you have a


whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something


has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming


in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there.


Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today


and he was asked again about an issue that he's been


asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality.


when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin.


Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads


few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons,


It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired


Probably, but then why don't you just close it down?


Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is


leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps


refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that


he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring


himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want


him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted


at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and


I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even


Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the


Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not


prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is


your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston


did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about


the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought


he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command


immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think


it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what


police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear


policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim


Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical


Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An


LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes


that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not


made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is


neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it


clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of


the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the


Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will


have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring


back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight


face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do


you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you


look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy


policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze


would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he


will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think


your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or


we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali.


The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian,


there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What


did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to


say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated


in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he


doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I


don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments


in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know,


it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would


have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal


Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies


they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming


Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer


commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I


think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to


overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in


spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right.


I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will


be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the


specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for


everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard


facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her


hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has


stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal


time of 11am on Sunday morning. On BBC One The Daily Politics is back


at midday tomorrow and we will be on every day next week on BBC Two.


Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics.


There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really,


all the Ella classics, as well as some very special guests,


we have Mica Paris, Imelda May, Dame Cleo Laine


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