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Just two months to go until Scotland decides if it should stay | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
As the campaign heads for the final furlong, | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
what are the issues and arguments that will determine the result? | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
The SNP's deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon joins me live. | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
David Cameron's scheduled a major cabinet reshuffle on Tuesday. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Many of those tipped for promotion are women. | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
So have efforts to promote diversity in public life barely started or | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
And don't know whether to support Germany or | :01:04. | :01:12. | |
In the Midlands, it is the fast political guide to the World Cup. | :01:13. | :01:22. | |
In the Midlands, it is the fast show. Faster growth, faster | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
broadband and the It's World Cup final day and | :01:27. | :01:38. | |
as usual the BBC's snagged the Yes, eat your heart out, ITV, | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
because for top football analysis we've got Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen, | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
and Alan Shearer. And | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
for top political analysis you may as well tune in to them too because | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
all we could come up with is Nick David Cameron will reshuffle | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
his cabinet on Tuesday. The Sunday papers are full | :01:58. | :02:07. | |
of stories telling us who'll be in and who'll be out, | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
though they don't really know. The Mail on Sunday has one | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
of the more eye-catching lines, reporting that former defence | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
secretary and right-winger Liam Fox is in line for a return to | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
the political front line. But there's general agreement that | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
women will do well and some of the old men | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
in suits guard will do badly. Here's senior Tory backbencher David | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
Davis speaking to this programme. It's good to make parliament | :02:32. | :02:40. | |
more representative. But you've got to do it | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
in a way that doesn't create injustices, and you can't put people | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
in a job who can't do the job. And I've seen that too over | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
the last 20 years, people being accelerated too far too fast | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
and they come to a screeching halt where they have to | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
catch up with themselves. I am not going to give an example. | :03:05. | :03:22. | |
Is this not a bit cynical? He is going to promote these women into | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
cabinet positions, but they will not be able to do anything. I am | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
sceptical of Cabinet reshuffle. It is an un-written pact in that the | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
media and the government have a great interest in talking it up. The | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
government says, haven't we refreshed ourselves? Generally it | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
doesn't refresh the government. David Cameron wants to send out a | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
new signal. You're going to see the old guard getting a P 45 and you | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
will see a lot of women come in and a lot of younger men. We will find | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
there will be a lot of resignations. A lot of, dear Prime Minister, as I | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
told you 18 months ago, I want to move on. Because the Conservatives | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
have this perception of not being very good with women and not being | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
good with black and ethnic minority voters, they are going to want to do | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
something about that. Why did he not do it before? This reshuffle might | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
be the triumph of the a list. A lot of the women coming through the | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
ranks have been from the a list which was a half measure because | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
they knew they could not bring all of them in. You are going to see | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
more women but that is a result of a long-term strategy. David Cameron is | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
not the world's most raging feminist. He is doing this for | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
practical reasons. He knows he has an image problem for the party and | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
he has to solve it. He was stung by that picture of the all-male bench | :05:06. | :05:13. | |
at Prime Minister's Questions because visibly it gave you the | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
problem that you have been talking about. I do not think he has allowed | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
it to be all-male since that embarrassing image. I can understand | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
the criticism made of this approach if it was the case that all the | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
women being promoted by talentless but you have to be very harsh to | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
look at them and say that they would have much less to offer than the | :05:38. | :05:51. | |
likes of Andrew Lansley. You can be pro-feminist. The tests for David | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
Cameron is that having raised expectations he has to give them | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
substantial jobs. They have to be given departments to run or big | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
portfolios to carry. If they are given media campaign positions in | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
the run-up to the election it looks perfunctorily. He is under some | :06:08. | :06:15. | |
trouble to perhaps suggest a female commissioner to the European Union | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
Commission. Jean-Claude Juncker has made clear that if he proposes a | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
woman candidate they will get a better job. Saying they would like | :06:27. | :06:35. | |
ten out of the 28 to be women. We are going to get the name of the | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
British candidate at the same time as the reshuffle. The first | :06:40. | :06:48. | |
face-to-face meeting, he will be able to put a name. There are other | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
names in the frame. People like Archie Norman. That come from? His | :06:53. | :07:04. | |
name is in the frame. There would be great scepticism of giving it to | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
Andrew Lansley. People would think he was the man who mucked up the | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
reform of the NHS. Who is it going to be? Either a woman or a man. I | :07:12. | :07:20. | |
would not be surprised if they go for someone believe dynamic. Someone | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
who would square the party. Would that not mean a by-election? It | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
might. She is a high profile Eurosceptic. She is a very competent | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
former banker. It would be the smart choice. I have no idea but my | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
favourite rumour is Michael Howard. That had some legs for a while. | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
The Mystic Megs of Fleet Street predict with confidence that the PM | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
is going to promote more women in his cabinet reshuffle. | :07:57. | :07:57. | |
The move can be seen as part of a move across British public life | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
to do more to make our institutions less male and less white. | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
But as the list of schemes to encourage diversity | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
grows ever-longer, have we abandoned the idea of appointment by merit? | :08:06. | :08:16. | |
Tunnelling. Hard hats, and all for new trains. It does not get more | :08:17. | :08:25. | |
macho than the Crossrail project. When Crossrail looked at the | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
construction industry they realise that less than 20% was made up | :08:28. | :08:38. | |
construction industry they realise women and they asked, can we fix it? | :08:39. | :08:39. | |
They are trying with a recruitment drive that has brought in female | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
engineers like this woman. She even has a tunnel named after her. Having | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
more female engineers and construction brings a bigger range | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
of opinions, a bigger range of ideas, more diversity, into the | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
industry, and makes it better as a whole. It is the issue being | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
grappled in another male dominated workplace, the Cabinet. There is | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
about to be a reach shuffle and the rumour is David Cameron is going to | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
promote a lot of female ministers. It was a lack of promotion that | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
annoyed Harriet Harman this week. She claimed Gordon Brown did not | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
make her Deputy Prime Minister because she was a woman. It was | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
strange that in a hard-fought highly contested election to be deputy | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
leader of the Labour Party, and having won against men in the | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
Cabinet, to succeed to be deputy leader of the Labour Party I | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
discovered that I was not to be appointed as Deputy Prime Minister. | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
For women in this country, no matter how able they are, the matter how | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
hard they might work, they are still not equal. There are initiatives to | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
make the world feel more equal. In the City the EU wants a quarter for | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
women in the boardroom but that goal of making 40% of the top floor | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
female. At the BBC the boss of the TV division says no panel show | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
should ever be all-male. In the ever glamorous movie business the British | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
film Institute announced their new thematic system to get lottery | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
funding projects improving diversity on screen and off and helping social | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
mobility. Employers like Crossrail are not allowed to positively | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
discriminate but under the quality act of 2010 if two candidate for a | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
job are just as good you are allowed to base your decision on | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
characteristics like race, sexuality and gender. Some worry it has | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
chipped away at the idea of hiring on merit. A woman and three men | :10:45. | :10:52. | |
going for a job, two of the men are really good and the woman is not | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
quite as good but she gets the job anyway. That will create injustice, | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
a feeling that she did not deserve the job, resentment. It does not | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
advance equality in society at all. On this project they want to leave a | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
concrete legacy of a more diverse construction industry. The question | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
is, what tools do you use when it comes to the rest of society? | :11:21. | :11:31. | |
I'm joined now by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
a columnist for the Independent, and by Munira Mirza, the deputy | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
mayor of London responsible for education and culture. | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
Cabinet wee shovel coming up punches though. Should David Cameron be | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
promoting women? He is going to do it anyway. He should have a long | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
time ago. It does not feel quite right that a few months before the | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
election it would do the party a lot of good to be seen as a party | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
properly reflective of the entire population. He should promote women | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
because they are women? I think he should think about lots of different | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
factors, whether the people he wants promote have proven themselves in | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
their current reefs, whether they are good performers in the media, | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
whether they represent different parts of the party, but the main | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
principle is to promote on basis of merit. There are many talented women | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
who fill that description. It should be that merit is the important thing | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
rather than what you were born with. The thing about positive | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
discrimination as it flies in the face of that kind of principle. You | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
are shaking your head. We have always had positive discrimination. | :12:53. | :12:54. | |
Men of a certain class have appointed in their own image because | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
they feel most comfortable with that. We have had unspoken positive | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
discrimination in this country and every other country throughout | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
history. We are asking as women, all minorities, let us get into the same | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
game. What do you say? You cannot solve the racism or the sexism of | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
the past by more racism and sexism. It is not the past. There are | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
complex reasons why a smaller number of women will appear in certain | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
industries. It has a lot to do with childcare, education, expected. You | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
cannot short cut that by setting a target. That is not how you achieve | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
equality. Things are changing and more women are appearing in | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
engineering and so on but it will take time. My worry is that these | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
kinds of measures are counter-productive and undermine the | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
perception that women can do it on their own merit rather | :13:54. | :13:54. | |
counter-productive and undermine the perception that women can do it than | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
because they need a helping hand. It is not a helping hand. It is to say, | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
we are as good as men and these hidden barriers. Dot. Either they | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
are not as good or they do not want it, which is just how we persuade | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
are not as good or they do not want it, which ourselves that it is not | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
happening, or there are barriers. How we judge meritocracy is at the | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
heart of it. Are lots of industries won there are not that many women, | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
such as engineering. We need more engineers generally. I think it is | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
fine to try to encourage more women to study that subject. By setting a | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
target you put pressure on an organisation. You tried to ignore | :14:47. | :14:55. | |
the complex reasons why women do not go into those sectors. I think an | :14:56. | :15:18. | |
all-female short list achieved miracle in Parliament. This is | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
following up from having an injection of women coming up because | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
the system was changed and a large percentage of women went into | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
Parliament under the all-female short list were brilliant, so why | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
not? So if the Prime Minister is mailed the Deputy Prime Minister has | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
to be female and vice versa? Yes, absolutely, 50-50. We need to | :15:48. | :15:56. | |
reflect the population. If we want to play this as a symbolic gesture, | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
ideally we should have one of each. Why should a man get the job if you | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
have a great female prime minister and a great female Deputy Prime | :16:08. | :16:17. | |
Minister? I personally wouldn't mind this. I hear the disgruntled man and | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
I want to come -- them to come with us. You're choosing people on the | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
basis of traits they were born with. Are there too many Indian | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
doctors in the NHS? I would argue not. Given that we tend to have male | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
prime ministers rather than female ones, and we don't see another | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
female one coming down the pipe very quickly... In the time before women | :16:47. | :16:56. | |
short lists by the way. If you had a male prime minister with a female | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
Deputy Prime Minister, wouldn't that give some balance? Why women? Why | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
not working class person, which group do you prioritise? I would go | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
with you that we need something fundamental to change. This idea | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
that what we have now is a reflection of a genuine meritocracy | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
is highly questionable. I would argue that when you look at the | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
statistics things are changing. argue that when you look at the | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
statistics things There are more women appearing in parts of public | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
life, that is a long-term trend, but if you are trying to appoint people | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
on what they were born with... That is not the only reason but it is an | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
additional reason. She has to be able to do the job, obviously. I am | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
saying the policy of hazard to discrimination explicitly state that | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
you should choose somebody who is female because they are female. At | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
the moment there is already enough suspicion about women who are | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
successful to get to the senior position and if you institutionalise | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
it you reinforce that suspicion. Harriet Harman is still complaining | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
women are not being treated fairly. I think the policy reinforces the | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
prejudice that women are not getting there because they are treated on | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
the same basis. Although you may not want to have the all-female short | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
list forever, wasn't it the kind of shock to the system that made a | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
visible change in female representation, which the Tory side | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
hasn't got? Of course it will work short-term but longer term it has a | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
very degrading effect on the principle of equality and the fact | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
Harriet Harman is saying she wasn't treated equally, whether it is true | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
or not, the perception is still there. A number of women find this | :18:53. | :19:01. | |
position must be reserved for a woman lying patronising, and | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
speaking of patronising women, you spoken your Independent column, she | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
presses all of the buttons for white people... Was that patronising and | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
offensive? Probably. I wrote it because I felt that at the time but | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
the point is that I was a token when I was appointed. The paper brought | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
me in because I was a woman and I was a muslin or whatever. You are | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
not writing about yourself. I was writing... It doesn't mean you don't | :19:37. | :19:49. | |
criticise other women. We absolutely have to be tough, Manira is tough | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
and so am I. Do you want to take back what you wrote? No. Do you | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
really think positive discrimination has gone too far? I think there is | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
already a suspicion out there that in certain sectors women are being | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
promoted for the wrong reasons or ethnic minorities are being promoted | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
for the wrong reasons. That is a shame and my worry is that by tying | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
funding to your ethnicity or your gender, by saying you will get a | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
promotion if you check that box, but you feel that resentment and | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
prejudice and undermine the case for inequality. I wanted to be treated | :20:35. | :20:44. | |
equally, because I am capable of doing that job. Only two months to | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
go before Scotland takes its biggest constitutional decision in 300 years | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
- should it quit or stay with the UK? For some in Scotland campaign | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
has been going on forever. What has been the impact on the campaign to | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
date? Alex Salmond says Scotland would | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
remain part of the European Union with sterling as its currency in a | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
monetary union with the rest of the UK, but he has also promised more | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
public spending, increased child care provision and free personal | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
care for the elderly. The SNP claims it would leave people better off by | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
?1000 though that partly depends on the price of oil. With the Better | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
Together arguing against independence, it has naturally been | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
attacking the SNP on all fronts. George Osborne says there will be no | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
monetary union. President Barroso told the BBC it would be extremely | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
difficult for Scotland to join the EU after a yes vote. His successor | :22:02. | :22:12. | |
this week said he agreed. Unions claim Scotland benefit by ?1400 by | :22:13. | :22:22. | |
being part of the UK. A poll this morning shows a significant lead of | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
57% for the no campaign, leaving the SNP to claim it will go their way in | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
the last ten weeks. Nicola Sturgeon, the Deputy First Minister of | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
Scotland, joins me now. You want an independent Scotland to keep the | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
pound, stay in NATO, stay in the EU, Scotland already has all of that | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
but you cannot guarantee it would have any of it in an independent | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
Scotland, why take the risk? All of these things should be the case | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
because they are in the best interests of Scotland and the rest | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
of the UK but we want the powers to enable us to grow our economy | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
faster, to be productive, and overtime increased the prosperity of | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
people living in Scotland. We also want powers over our social security | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
system so that we can create a system that meets our needs, one | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
that also has a safety net for the most vulnerable people in our | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
society. Independence is about letting us decide our own | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
priorities. You didn't answer my question, you cannot guarantee you | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
would be able to keep the pound within a monetary union, stay in | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
NATO and the EU, you cannot guarantee you could produce any of | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
these things, correct? I would argue that we can because these things are | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
also in the interest of the rest of the UK. No country can be prevented | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
from using the pound, I suggest we use that within a formal monetary | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
union. We have had the UK minister quoted in the Guardian saying the | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
position of the UK Government right now is one based on campaign | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
rhetoric and following a yes vote, of course there would be a currency | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
union. Who is that minister? The Minister is unnamed, but | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
nevertheless that story in the Guardian was a solid one and not | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
substantially denied. So you are basing your monetary policy on one | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
on named minister in one story? Basing it on Common sense because | :24:41. | :24:50. | |
monetary union would be in the best interests for Scotland but also | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
overwhelmingly in the interests of the rest of the UK, given their | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
trading relationship with Scotland and the contribution Scotland's | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
exports make. We are having a very good debate and the UK Government | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
and the no campaign, and this is not a criticism, want to talk up in -- | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
uncertainty to make people feel scared, but after independence there | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
will be constructed process of negotiation. Let's stick with the | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
monetary union because most economists agree it would be very | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
good for an independent Scotland to have a monetary union but George | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
Osborne, Ed Balls, Danny Alexander are unequivocal, they say you won't | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
get it. You claim they are bluffing but again you cannot guarantee that | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
so why the risk? I would say the benefits of independence are | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
substantial but I would also say to George Osborne and his counterparts | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
in the other parties that it would be a very brave Chancellor that says | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
to businesses in the rest of the UK that they have to incur unnecessary | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
additional transaction costs of half a very brave Chancellor that says to | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
businesses in the rest of the UK that they have to incur unnecessary | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
additional transaction costs of half. What we are doing is making a | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
case that is based on common sense and voters in Scotland will listen | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
to that case being put forward by the other side as well, and they | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
will come to a judgement of the common-sense position. Let's look at | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
EU membership because you haven't been able to guarantee the monetary | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
union. When President Barroso said that a seamless transition to EU | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
membership for an independent Scotland was anything but certain, | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
and one said it could even be impossible, you dismissed him | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
because he was standing down, but been -- venue EU president says the | :27:01. | :27:09. | |
same, do you dismissed him? What we are doing... I should say at the | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
outset of this, we have said repeatedly to the UK Government, | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
let's go jointly and ask for a formal opinion on the EU | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
commission. The EU commission have said they will only do that at this | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
stage if the UK Government ask for it, they are point blank refusing to | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
do that, you have to ask why? It is in their interests to talk up | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
uncertainty. Scotland is an integral part of the European Union, we have | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
been for 40 years, we comply with the rules and regulations... Mr | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
Juncker knows all of that but he still says it will be anything but a | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
seamless transition. He said you could not join the European Union by | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
sending a letter, that is not our proposal. We set down a robust | :28:03. | :28:16. | |
proposal and the timescale we think is reasonable under these | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
circumstances. There are many nationals of other states living in | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
Scotland right now, if we were to be outside of the European Union for | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
any period of time, something the current treaty doesn't even provide | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
for, they would lose their right to stay here. The interests of Scotland | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
and the interests of European Union are in favour of a seamless | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
transition. It comes down to common sense and people in Scotland will | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
make sense and people in Scotland will | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
their own judgement on who is talking the common-sense. What about | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
NATO, two years ago you told Newsnight the SNP's position is that | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
we wouldn't stay in NATO. We had a democratic debate, we looked at | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
whether it would be in the interests of an independent Scotland, which | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
forms a significant part of the territory of the North Atlantic and | :29:10. | :29:18. | |
the party changed its mind. It did so in a thoroughly democratic way. | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
That is the nature of democracy. Would you accept the protection of | :29:27. | :29:37. | |
the NATO nuclear umbrella? There is no doubt the SNP's position is that | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
we do not want nuclear weapons in Scotland. That is not what I asked. | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
The world rid themselves of nuclear weapons. One of the interesting | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
point is of the 28 member countries of Natal 25 do not have nuclear | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
weapons. An independent Scotland... I asked if you would accept the | :30:01. | :30:09. | |
nuclear umbrella. The key feature of NATO's military dog train is now | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
clear shrike. We would accept the basis of which NATO is founded but | :30:16. | :30:23. | |
we would argue two things. We want Trident removed from Scotland rather | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
than have a situation where might we are spending ?100 billion over the | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
next generation replacing Trident and we would argue within the | :30:33. | :30:34. | |
international community that the world should move much more quickly | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
to rid itself of nuclear weapons. That is the principal position and | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
won the SNP has held consistently for many years. You would get rid of | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
one of the key parts of the NATO deterrent based in Scotland. You | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
would kick that out. You would not accept all of the club rules because | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
you do not like the idea of nuclear. Why would they like a member like | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
you in? Because Scotland is a significant part of the territory of | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
the North Atlantic. You do not subscribe to the rules. 25 of the | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
member states of NATO are non-nuclear members. You are saying | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
you do not follow the doctrine. NATO has said it wants to move away from | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
reliance on nuclear weapons. An independent Scotland would be | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
entering the majority mainstream of NATO as a country that did not have | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
nuclear weapons. By leading by example our moral authority and | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
encouraging others to do likewise would be increased. Money and oil, | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
the finance minister has said that an independent Scotland would | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
increase public spending by 3% a year. He would pay for that by | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
borrowing. Your First Minister says he is going to stash money in an oil | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
fund. You're going to borrow and save. How does that work? There are | :32:01. | :32:09. | |
two points. Firstly in terms of the outlook for finances and what is one | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
of the central debates of this referendum campaign, austerity that | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
we know will continue if we stay as part of the Westminster system | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
versus prosperity. The economy can afford a higher level of increase in | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
public spending while we continue to have deficit levels at a sustainable | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
level. What is the point of borrowing and saving at the same | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
time? People who have a mortgage and the savings account would not | :32:40. | :32:41. | |
themselves what the wisdom of that is. This is based on recommendations | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
of our expert fiscal Commission that as borrowing reduces to sustainable | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
levels it makes sense to start saving a proportion of our oil | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
wealth. In Norway, which has many similarities to Scotland, they have | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
an oil fund worth ?500 billion. Scotland is part of the Westminster | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
system is sitting on a share of UK debt. We can continue to allow our | :33:10. | :33:16. | |
oil wealth, our vast oil wealth, to be mismanaged or we can decide we | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
are going to manage that resource better in the years to come. Your | :33:20. | :33:26. | |
figures do not add up unless you are about oil prices and revenue and you | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
have been consistently wrong in your predictions. Last year you forecast | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
that revenues would be the .7 billion more than they actually work | :33:34. | :33:43. | |
-- 3.7 billion. The cost of the Scottish school system gone. There | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
were particular reasons for that in terms of interruption to production | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
and bigger levels of investment. Used ill have to find the money. Let | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
me explain. They are based on robust assumptions, firstly a production | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
estimates that is in line with the estimates of the oil and gas | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
industry. Use of figures that are based on production of 10 billion | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
barrels of oil. Oil and gas has been wrong as well. It is 24 billion left | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
to be recovered. That is what is in the UK Government's oil and gas | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
strategy so production in line with industry estimates and an oil price | :34:24. | :34:30. | |
of $110 per barrel which is flat in cash terms would be a real terms | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
reduction. The Department of energy is estimating $128 per barrel so our | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
estimate compared to that is cautious. These are robust estimates | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
based on robust assumptions. Except they have been wrong. Finally, we | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
hear a lot from you and your fellow nationalists, you want a | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
Scandinavian style social democracy, you know how to spend the money but | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
you never tell us about social democratic levels of taxation. Also | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
should grizzlies have higher levels of tax in Scotland does at the | :35:07. | :35:13. | |
moment -- all social grizzlies. I want a Scottish style of social | :35:14. | :35:21. | |
democracy. Free education, free medicines and balancing the books | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
every single year. We want to get more people into work in Scotland, | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
raise the level of distribution in the Labour market and make the | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
economy more productive so we are raising the overall tax revenue. | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
Over the last 33 years we have generated more taxpayer head of | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
population than is the case and the rest of the UK. Those last 33 years, | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
some of those years oil prices would have been high and in others they | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
would have been law but we take different decisions. A report showed | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
that if we go as part of the Westminster system down the plate -- | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
route of replacing Trident then the cost will be as high as ?4 billion | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
every year. Our share of that is the hundred million pounds a year. Let | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
us get access to our own resources so we can make different and better | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
decisions about how to spend the resources we have. You are promising | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
Scandinavian style social democratic levels of public spending but you | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
say you will not need a top rate of tax of 56% which is what Scandinavia | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
has, that all 25%, which is what Scandinavia has and VAT of 15%. You | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
are going to have the spending but none of the taxes that make it | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
possible in Scandinavia. For mischievous reasons you are met -- | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
misrepresenting what I am saying. The Scottish economy can afford it | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
and we want to generate more wealth in our economy. We want to use the | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
existing resources Scotland has. We are the 14th richest country in the | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
world in terms of what we produce. We do not want to be wasting | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
resources. We want to be spending resources on the things that other | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
priority for the people of Scotland. These are the benefits and the | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
opportunities really get if we take the opportunity of voting yes and | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
becoming independent. Hello once again from the Midlands. | :37:23. | :37:33. | |
I'm Patrick Burns. And both our guests today were | :37:34. | :37:44. | |
high achievers at an early age. Oxford`educated, they had successful | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
careers before entering Parliament. Oh, dear. | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
Where did it all go wrong? She's now the Labour MP | :37:54. | :37:55. | |
for Birmingham Ladywood John Hemming was a pioneer of the | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
information technology industry. He's now the Liberal Democrat MP | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
for Birmingham Yardley. We begin with Parliament under | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
a pall of suspicion, yet again. This time, allegations of historic | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
child abuse, and of a so`called establishment cover`up which some | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
MPs, including John Hemming, He was one | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
of the first MPs to call for a full public inquiry, along with the | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
West Bromwich East MP, Tom Watson. He's been highlighting these | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
issues for two years or more. Meantime, a former West Mercia | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
Police detective, Terry Shutt, has told us he believes a list of names, | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
found while investigating the notorious paedophile Peter Righton | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
in Worcestershire in the 1990s, And a retired Hereford and | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
Worcester Child Protection Manager says the allegations involve large | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
numbers of high profile figures. I would say that we are looking | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
at upwards of 20 and certainly a much larger number of people that | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
have known about it and done nothing about it who were in a | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
position to do something about it. We are looking at the Lord's, | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
the Commons, the judiciary, all institutions where there will be | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
a small percentage of paedophiles and a slightly larger percentage of | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
people who have known about it and felt in terms of their own | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
self`interest and self`preservation and for party political reasons it | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
was safer for them to cover it up Peter McKelvie was talking to | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
the BBC's Tom Symonds. Now Theresa May has ordered two | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
inquiries ` one into the original handling of the issue by the | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
Home Office, the other, a so`called Hillsborough`style inquiry, | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
into the allegations themselves. John, do these measures by the | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
Home Secretary satisfy the sort of My own view is that Baroness | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
Butler`Sloss is a safe pair of hands, fully fledged member of the | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
establishment who will be ideal for Stuart Syvret, who was | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
the health minister in Jersey, and it is important, the link | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
between Jersey and the UK, when he Leah McGrath Goodman was an American | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
journalist who came to investigate the issue and she was banned | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
from the UK in 2011, and then more recently she was arrested | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
in Heathrow airport to stop her In a nutshell, you suspect | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
a cover`up is still going on. I've identified with | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
Leah McGrath Goodman an example of something this decade where | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
efforts are being made to stop her looking at things because she is | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
getting too close to the issue. What do you think it will | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
take to satisfy public I am pleased we have | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
a Hillsborough`style enquiry. In a way, the scrutiny and | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
the level of scrutiny and the amount of forensic work that is being done | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
by people outside the police authorities, by MPs and others, | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
I think has helped shine more of a light on what has been going on | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
and asks those questions and in that respect I am less concerned | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
about the capacity for anyone to continue to engage in a cover`up, | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
and we have seen the outcry over the People will not just accept | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
that things have gone missing or People are prepared to carry | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
on asking questions. As a barrister you know | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
the difference between hard evidence We have had a lot of the latter | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
and not much categorical, The set`up of the enquiry | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
and the fact it is going along the panel type of enquiry | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
enables those who are looking at this, the experts, to be able to, | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
outside of the judicial process, get We have had a lot of claims, | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
we need to get hard evidence, but we need to shine a light | :41:58. | :42:05. | |
on cover`up and that is difficult John, looking at the political | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
fallout, the last general election was under the cloud of | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
the parliamentary expenses scandal. Could we be running up to | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
a general election clouded It is more of a challenge | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
against the establishment. The establishment also includes some | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
elements of the judiciary so it is the willingness to do that, | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
and Tom Watson has done a good job. This is an all`party operation | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
trying to get to the truth of things that happened in the past | :42:33. | :42:34. | |
and give confidence to people who The sad thing is that many | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
of them do not have confidence This could also turn out to be | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
very long and drawn out and go long beyond the date of the next | :42:45. | :42:51. | |
election before we get clarity. It has to take as long | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
as it takes to get the clarity we In the last few years we have seen | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
a spate of stories which have shaken faith the British | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
public have in important institutions, and I think that has | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
been damaging so whatever it takes It has been far too easy to | :43:12. | :43:13. | |
cover things up over time. Things are going on at the moment, | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
last week on Brazilian television, as soon | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
as they did an interview they got the threat of an injunction. | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
Those things are still going on. For the moment, thank you both. | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
Now, the story so far. Under Labour, one giant regional | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
development agency, Advantage West Midlands, was set up to regenerate | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
our economy, only for the Coalition to replace it with six smaller local | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
enterprise partnerships. Now the Government has given | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
them growth funding worth But that's significantly less | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
than the old development David Cameron, at Halesowen College | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
to see how further and higher Job creation, transport, | :43:56. | :44:04. | |
infrastructure and house`building projects ` they were all in the wish | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
lists submitted to Government Mr Cameron told me it was | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
a boost for local decision`making. This is the end of the Whitehall | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
knows best culture. This is saying to local areas, | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
here are the money and the powers, now what can you bring forward to | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
drive growth in your area? Telford's growth package, | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
Wolverhampton's rebuilt railway station, Birmingham's Metro tram | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
extension and Coventry's city centre They are all direct beneficiaries | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
of gross deals, but Labour say they would be more | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
ambitious with more powers for local The former development agencies they | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
set up certainly had more to spend. During the 13 years of Advantage | :44:47. | :44:54. | |
West Midlands, it channelled ?3 Over the next six years, | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
the six West Midlands LEPs will share ?775 million ` an average | :44:58. | :45:06. | |
of around ?129 million a year. A growth fund it may be, but the | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
overall budget for it is shrinking. Ministers say it's not how much | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
money, it's what you do with it. Local Enterprise Partnerships are | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
more truly local than the development agencies, they say, | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
and better`placed to identify the They say this is funding to create | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
around 40,000 jobs and it will bring 13,000 new homes | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
to our part of the country. And we're also joined here today | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
by Peter Pawsey, the chairman of the Worcestershire | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
Local Enterprise Partnership. He has long experience in the | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
construction and property sectors. Peter is also the chairman of | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Robert West engineering. You have experience with | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
Advantage West Midlands and Local Enterprise Partnerships, so you are | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
in a good position to judge which of the two is better placed to deliver | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
the regeneration we are hoping for. I believe the LEPs are, frankly. | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
They are much more local. But they have less money. | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
So far. The thing about the RDA is that it | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
became a piece of government in the region and it was not as connected | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
with people, it didn't connect with business as much, and if one talks | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
to local authorities, they felt they were talked down to rather than | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
brought in as a true partner. I happen to be fortunate in that I | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
was chairing the rural regeneration zone, which was Advantage West | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
Midlands' delivery vehicle into Herefordshire, Shropshire and | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
Worcestershire, and I like to think it was the forerunner of a non`city | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
LEP anyway because we ran with a There was this tremendous carve`up | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
of territory when the enterprise A large chunk of the North | :46:57. | :47:05. | |
of Worcestershire ended up with Do you have enough critical mass | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
in the rest of Worcestershire to That part of Worcestershire | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
and the north of Worcestershire is in both LEPs. | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
It is in our LEP and theirs. It is one of 14 overlaps | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
in the country and nowhere We have worked closely with | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
the northern districts as much as the rest of the country and so we | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
have massive involvement with them. We are not | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
in competition with Birmingham, John, one of the criticisms | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
of this funding is that this business of winding up Advantage | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
West Midlands and bringing in the LEPs has stuck the regeneration | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
agenda in its tracks for years Do you regret the winding up | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
of Advantage West Midlands? No, | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
because it is structured around city regions, it is responsive to local | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
communities rather than government. We have had a financial problem more | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
generally so the amount of money available will be less, so you | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
cannot argue that one, and the LEP process is oriented around the city | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
regions and that is more to suit the economy of | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
the region than government niceties. Shabana, you have often bemoaned the | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
passing of Advantage West Midlands, yet I heard the criticisms that it | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
had too much money and became too The trick seems to be | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
for it to be targeted and scientific You are coming in after a global | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
financial crisis in 2010... So you would have had to shrink | :48:44. | :48:52. | |
the growth fund Rather than dismantling | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
infrastructure I am hearing arguments | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
for repurposing elements of what was being done, trying to achieve more | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
within the current structure. We have wasted time, | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
suddenly government has discovered We have been saying that | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
for four years. It is late for the government | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
to talk about how we will get We know regional imbalances have | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
got starker under this government. There is growth funding gathering | :49:17. | :49:23. | |
dust in coffers while people who have bid for that | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
money and bidded successfully are How do you view the story of delay | :49:29. | :49:30. | |
and reducing budgets for growth I think as far as the budgets are | :49:31. | :49:39. | |
concerned, while they are smaller They are better managed by the local | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
LEPs, which is that combination. It is getting on for 50% down on the | :49:47. | :49:56. | |
previous Advantage West Midlands fund. If we purely look at the | :49:57. | :50:09. | |
growth fund, but there are other regional growth, the Going Places | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
fund, are still feeding monies through and there are other sources | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
in addition to the European money, For all this talk of growth, the | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
results at the moment are patchy. You think of Yardley, which is close | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
to some of the poorest areas of Birmingham and Ladywood is | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
among the poorest places in the UK People | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
in my constituency don't necessarily work in the constituency, | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
they live in Birmingham and they may travel as far as Solihull | :50:34. | :50:35. | |
and work at the plant there. The problem is the growth we have | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
had in the macro economy has not been shared across the country | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
and regional growth imbalances have increased under this government and | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
nothing so far has challenged that. Also in the Growth Deal | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
for Worcestershire, nearly ?2.5 million to connect more rural areas | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
to super`fast broadband. The county council wants 90% | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
of homes and businesses to be But the deadline's been | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
pushed back once already. And now some business people there | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
are increasingly frustrated that the roll`out is more superslow than | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
superfast. Our BBC Hereford and Worcester | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
political reporter Matthew Bone has been finding out what they're doing | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
about it. Norton near Evesham is notorious | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
for having some of the slowest But villagers speak of a mysterious | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
green box which has recently Could this be the answer to | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
their broadband prayers? I'm Matthew Bone from | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
Sunday Politics. I hear the wi`fi speeds | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
aren't great around here. Pretty poor. I live up the road and | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
they are even slower so I tend I have a laptop. | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
May I try it out and see how we go? Bringing a faster internet | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
connection to places like Norton is part of a multi`million`pound | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
project to bring superfast broadband to 90% of homes and | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
businesses across Worcestershire. Planners had hoped to get everybody | :52:09. | :52:16. | |
connected the end of next year, but I'm struggling to get the BBC | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
website. Have you tried picking it up | :52:22. | :52:32. | |
and shaking it? The county council says | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
superfast broadband will And the government says the rollout | :52:39. | :52:40. | |
is happening as quickly as possible. The importance | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
of broadband has moved up the agenda with every year that has passed, so | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
we understand why people are banging on the window saying, hurry up, | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
but we are going as fast as we can. Just because you're based | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
in the countryside, it doesn't mean Gtech near Worcester relies | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
on its online presence to help sell But the company isn't covered | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
in the superfast rollout, and had to spend thousands of pounds on | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
its own broadband infrastructure. The first quotes were ?30,000, | :53:06. | :53:16. | |
which is a lot Eventually our landlord paid 9000 | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
and we contributed 11,000 and got connected three weeks ago, | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
so we got there eventually. Just up the M5 in Inkberrow, | :53:24. | :53:25. | |
businesses like Elysia Skincare face similar problems but they are | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
trying a different approach. Instead of laying miles and miles of | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
cable, they use a series of towers ` Instead of laying miles and miles of | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
cable, they use a series of towers Elysia are coming from off | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
the hill here about three or four kilometres away and they have their | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
receiver on the end so they can use the online services that most people | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
are used to using in centres. One way or another, | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
broadband is spreading out from our major towns and cities to | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
more and more rural areas. The challenge is to do it as quickly | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
as possible so that things like... So that problems like this become | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
a thing of the past. Matthew Bone on the frustrations | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
of long`suffering, or should that be long`buffering, broadband | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
customers in Worcestershire? Peter, you mentioned you have | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
special experience in the area How important is broadband | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
in those places? So many start`up businesses are | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
in rural areas and that is natural because people | :54:25. | :54:33. | |
want the cheaper overheads that they will find in those areas, so it is | :54:34. | :54:42. | |
essential we get that in place. What do you make of the frustration, | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
those business people there Clearly that is right | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
but things are moving quickly now, you are right to say it had slipped | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
from some original dates but it is coming ahead of programme now, so | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
the existing programme was for 90% cover of all premises, 90% cover | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
of all business premises, which we believe is unique in the UK, | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
by June 2016. The additional money | :55:07. | :55:20. | |
which has come through is match funded from some additional BDUK | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
money, which will allow us to get to John, having been a professional in | :55:26. | :55:36. | |
the field of IT, what is your expert There are lots of different | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
ways of getting IP connectivity. You can do it through wireless | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
techniques or cable techniques. That is my worry, if you put these | :55:48. | :55:49. | |
initiatives together, something like ?15 million of public money going | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
into water sure on this one bad Could it not be overtaken by some | :55:54. | :56:13. | |
other way of delivering it we originally had worming and cable | :56:14. | :56:20. | |
along time ago and it was also the density of properties. And the | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
density or sparsity of parties in rural areas where we know it has got | :56:27. | :56:34. | |
more expensive to provide services to thinly populated areas, so if | :56:35. | :56:41. | |
everyone is driving towards an increase to 5% it is getting very | :56:42. | :56:54. | |
expensive. I think connectivity is important because a rural economy | :56:55. | :57:03. | |
needs to do its bit in terms of our overall economic prosperity and that | :57:04. | :57:10. | |
will not happen if they do not have transport or digital infrastructure | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
because that is how the world is moving. You cannot future proof | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
these things but to need a mix Our round`up | :57:22. | :57:29. | |
in 60Seconds is brought to us today by our BBC West Midland Political | :57:30. | :57:31. | |
Reporter Kathryn Stanczynszyn. Stoke`on`Trent City Council have | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
posted footage on YouTube of Robbie Williams getting | :57:35. | :57:36. | |
the freedom of the city. Robbie received the award | :57:37. | :57:37. | |
in a private ceremony. Plans to turn a former coal mine in | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
Warwickshire into a business park Daw Mill Colliery closed two years | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
ago with the loss of 650 jobs UKIP's Regional Committee Chairman | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
Jane Brooks has quit saying she's "deeply troubled" by the party's | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
farming and environmental policies. They include relaxing rules | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
on pesticides and nitrates and eliminating all grey | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
squirrels. Unions say 400 jobs are at risk | :57:55. | :57:54. | |
after Staffordshire County Council wrote to its 60 youth clubs saying | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
some of them may not re`open again And thousands | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
of public sector workers from across the region joined a national | :58:02. | :58:03. | |
day of strike action on Thursday The rich are doing very well. The | :58:04. | :58:29. | |
top 1% in our society their wealth grew by 18% in the last year. They | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
could give a little bit back. But David Cameron has said | :58:36. | :58:37. | |
a Conservative Government would legislate to impose voting | :58:38. | :58:38. | |
thresholds and time limits on union Would be Labour government by sort | :58:39. | :58:49. | |
this out? I think if David Cameron is going to go down this road of | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
threshold and mandate he needs to think about the mandates of police | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
and crime commissioners and the mandates in other local elections. | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
It is across`the`board in terms of the democratic process and if we're | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
going to tell the unions they need to up their game we need to do | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
something about the parliamentary system as well because very few MPs | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
are elected with more than 50% of the vote. On the issue of wages | :59:19. | :59:23. | |
wages are starting to pick up so wages are starting to pick up so | :59:24. | :59:32. | |
workers get a slice of the action? I workers get a slice of the action? I | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
suggested minimum wage should do up to ?7. But some local authorities | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
are paying people the minimum wage. It is compensated but things like | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
universal credit are important to bring people in line but you have to | :59:44. | :59:50. | |
make the maths add up. We are not out of the woods with the deficit, | :59:51. | :59:59. | |
which means every year we borrow more money and end up with big debt. | :00:00. | :00:17. | |
And this would be an issue that a Labour government coming in could | :00:18. | :00:31. | |
not walk away from. It should be possible for those at the lower end | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
will keep a bit safer. That is all the time we have. | :00:36. | :00:49. | |
So, plenty happening in Parliament this coming week, including | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
a controversial bill to make so-called assisted dying legal and | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Lord Carey has intervened in the assisted dying debate. Will it make | :00:54. | :01:14. | |
a difference? It will make a difference because we have | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
established in the House of Lords, I am not sure who they speak for and | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
why they should have a privileged position, but he was a big opponent | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
and has made a change of heart. The fact that the Daily Mail has printed | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
this shows this is a big intervention. The Bill being pushed | :01:37. | :01:49. | |
through, is it now on the agenda? I think it is. There are international | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
examples of assisted dying elsewhere. The state of Oregon | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
passed a Bill similar to this in the 1990s and things have not got out of | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
control. That has not been an expansion or abuse. It has settled | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
down and become part of the furniture. That makes it easier for | :02:09. | :02:17. | |
this Bill, to make the case for it. Religious people may still have a | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
principled objection but most other people have a practical objection, | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
which is how to put in place safeguards to deal with unscrupulous | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
relatives or anyone else who wants to abuse this right? Once a | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
controversial issue is only being opposed for practical reasons it is | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
on its way to getting its way. What is the division, is it the Church | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
against everybody else? Is it a right and left division? What is | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
stopping it? It is a very difficult moral issue and there are people who | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
can have genuinely held Christian beliefs or non-Christian beliefs who | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
can be on both sides. I think that the Lord Carey intervention is | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
potentially a game changer not just because he is a former Archbishop of | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
Canterbury but because he was on the Evan Jellicoe side of the Church of | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
England. That is quite a big move. The response was to say, please | :03:12. | :03:19. | |
withdraw your bell and let us have a royal Commission. The Supreme Court | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
kicked the ball back to Parliament when they rejected the cases of | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
three people who had been taking the case and said, we could say that | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
banning the right to life is against the European Court of Human Rights, | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
but it is a moral issue and an issue for Parliament. Parliament needs to | :03:40. | :03:48. | |
decide. The data act that is going to be pushed through Parliament. In | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
record time. To comply with a European court judgement. Tom Watson | :03:54. | :04:01. | |
and David Davis, some dissent. Are you so prized with how united the | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
establishment, left, right and centre is? No. There is a great | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
quote saying this has been enacted under the something must be done act | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
and that captures it exactly. Even Cameron says he does not want to | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
look people in the eye and say that he did not do everything he could. | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
There is no end to the power of surveillance. It is all was about | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
drawing a distinction. I am always suspicious when politicians look | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
something up and said, we have all agreed. Are there at the centre is | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
right or is the political establishment right? I think the | :04:43. | :04:52. | |
establishment is right. I think it is stronger than other issues. We | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
are in a unique position where all three political parties have | :04:59. | :04:59. | |
relatively recent experience of government so they now that security | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
threats are not made up by unscrupulous people. The legislation | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
being proposed is not dramatic, it is to fill a gap that was created. I | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
do not see the political controversy. All three political | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
parties support it. David Davis and Liberty are against that, and always | :05:25. | :05:32. | |
are. Would you not have expected... The Lib Dems are in government, but | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
a bit more rebellion on the Labour backbenches? There is no political | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
controversy put outside parliament there's quite a lot of controversy | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
about this. My paper has taken an interest in this. It is interesting, | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
it does not feel, it is not a 1950s, three public school boys | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
setting, let us have this deal. The Liberal Democrats and Labour have | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
serious questions. There's going to be a sunset clause that will run out | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
in 2016. The Liberal Democrats, who asked pretty tough questions, have | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
said there are assurances. Ed Miliband did not go to public | :06:22. | :06:22. | |
school. For many English football fans, | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
tonight's World Cup final presents How do you pick | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
between two traditional foes Well, if you're | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
a political obsessive, like these three, you could always back the | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
nation according to how it votes. The website LabourList has produced | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
a political guide to the tournament. At the beginning of the tournament, | :06:38. | :06:52. | |
it was a fairly balanced playing field politically with 15 left wing | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
and 17 right-wing countries. England found themselves isolated in a group | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
with three left-wing countries. That was the least of their problems. | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
There was a clear domination of democratic regimes over | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
authoritarian with only six of oratory and countries making it | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
through to the finals and the only all authoritarian tie was dubbed the | :07:14. | :07:23. | |
worst match of the World Cup. By the second round 16 teams remained. The | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
left had a clear advantage with nine, seven from the right and | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
authoritarian countries all but wiped out. Two representatives | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
remained. Both were beaten by European democracies. By the | :07:37. | :07:45. | |
semi-finals, all was even Stephen. A right-wing Protestant Europe taking | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
on Catholics South America. With one victory apiece, Germany knocking out | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
Brazil and Argentina beating the Dutch, tonight's final repeats that | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
pattern. Who will win? Angela Merkel's Germany or Argentina? | :08:03. | :08:11. | |
We're joined now by Britain's only Labour adviser | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
Should we read political significance in to the fact that the | :08:14. | :08:27. | |
only time England has won the World Cup was under a Labour government? | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
Of course. The problem is we did not qualify for Euro 2008 when it was a | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Labour government. We have had some pretty shoddy results under a Labour | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
government. As someone under the left, are you backing Argentina? | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
Absolutely not. I do not think it has anything to do with politics. It | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
is a bit of fun. People should choose it is Don Hoop plays the best | :08:55. | :09:02. | |
football and the Germans have been fantastic. They were great in 2010 | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
as well. They started this model in 2008 and that is the sort of thing | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
people should be supporting. Who should a Eurosceptic support? I | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
would not say Argentina because that is the country that has tried to | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
seize British sovereign territory within my lifetime. You were not | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
around for the Blitz. Believe it or not, I was not. There is a strong | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
political case to support Germany. They are probably going to win the | :09:35. | :09:46. | |
World Cup with a clear of -- with players of Polish origin. That sort | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
of cultural change they have forced themselves to go through... You talk | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
about them being right wing, but in fact the way that the German league | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
is structured, and I am an expert, is based on ownership. It is very | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
different from the Premier League. It is about football as a usual | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
good. The ticket prices are lower. The fans are involved in running the | :10:18. | :10:26. | |
club. It is a model that all English football clubs should emulate. | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
Germany had a strong football team under centre right governments and | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
centre left governments and a coalition. A strong football team | :10:35. | :10:45. | |
and a strong economy. The Conservative MP who is the arch | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
Eurosceptic wanted to get us out of the European Union and was for a few | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
weeks ago when people were making jokes about Jean-Claude Juncker, he | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
was outraged and said you should not do that, so he could happily support | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
Germany. What was interesting about the authoritarian and democratic | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
regimes, what is great is that the World Cup is run by this open and | :11:10. | :11:21. | |
democratic organisation Fifa. It is similar to the EU in many regards. | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
Two countries led by women. Maybe gender is the thing. We did not win | :11:28. | :11:36. | |
under Margaret Thatcher. There's one big difference with the EU, you | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
cannot flog six Dom Acta gets to go to a European summit. Did you know | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
that Italy won two world cups under Mussolini? Can we draw any | :11:50. | :11:59. | |
conclusions between a political system and the performance of the | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
football team? You can draw certain parallels between maybe national | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
cliches, so the Germans are efficient and effective, which might | :12:09. | :12:16. | |
reflect and the English are very polite so we let everyone score | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
first and go into the second round. We put ourselves at the back of the | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
queue. Is England going to qualify for the European? We are going to | :12:25. | :12:36. | |
win the European Championship. The first country Scotland have to play | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
is Germany. What could possibly go wrong? Who is going to win? Germany. | :12:40. | :12:53. | |
Germany. I am going to put a few bob on Argentina. Are you going to be | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
watching? Absolutely. Thank you. This is the last Sunday Politics | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
for the summer. But we'll be back in early autumn | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
and our first programme will be live from Scotland, | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
the weekend before the referendum The Daily Politics is back tomorrow | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
at noon and we'll bring you the last PMQs before the summer | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
on Wednesday morning from 11:30am. Remember, if it's Sunday, | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
it's the Sunday Politics, unless | :13:26. | :13:29. |