11/05/2014 Sunday Politics West


11/05/2014

Andrew Neil and David Garmston with the latest political news and interviews. With UKIP's Nigel Farage and Labour's Douglas Alexander ahead of the European and local elections.


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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics, where we're talking

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about the Europe-wide contest that really matters. No, not Eurovision.

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The European elections. There are local elections across England too

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on May 22nd. The party leaders are campaigning ahead of polling day.

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The results could be a pointer to the Big One, May 2015. We'll be

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speaking to the man in charge of Labour's election battle plan. Has

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the opposition really got its sights set on all-out victory in 2015? Or

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will it just be content with squeaking home? And you can't

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mention elections these days without talking about the impact of this

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Coming up in the West: We will have him if UKIP really is fit for

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Coming up in the West: We will have all the local

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And I'm joined by three journalists guaranteed to bring a touch of

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Eurovision glamour to your Sunday morning. With views more

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controversial than a bearded Austrian drag act and twice the

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dress sense, it's Nick Watt, Helen Lewis and Janan Ganesh. So you might

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have thought you've already heard David Cameron promise an in-out

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referendum on EU membership in 2017 if he's still Prime Minister. Many

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times. Many, many times. Well he obviously doesn't think you've been

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listening, because he's been saying it again today. Here he is speaking

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to the BBC earlier. We will hold a referendum by the end of 2017. It

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will be a referendum on an in-out basis. Do we stay in a reformed

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European Union or do we leave? And I've said very clearly that whatever

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the outcome of the next election, and of course I want an overall

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majority and I'm hoping and believing I can win an overall

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majority, that people should be in no doubt I will not become Prime

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Minister unless I can guarantee that we will hold a referendum. Here's

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saying there that an overall majority there will definitely be a

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referendum. If these are the minority position, he won't form a

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new coalition unless they agree to a referendum, too. The Lib Dems a

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pulmonary agree to that. They probably will because the Prime

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ministers have a strong argument which is I gave you a referendum

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back in 2010 so the least I need is theirs and the Lib Dems are the only

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party who have stood in recent elections on a clear mandate to hold

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a referendum, so it is difficult for them to say no, there was

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interesting the interview he did earlier today. He named everything

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was going to ask for. The most controversial with him, as he said

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in his speech last year, he wants to take Britain out of the commitment

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to make the European Union and ever closer union. That is a very big

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ask, but the point is, he may well get it because the choice for the

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European Union now, France and Germany, is a clear wonderful do

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Britain in or out? Previously, it was can you put up with a British

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prime ministers being annoying? I think you'll find the answer is they

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are willing to pay a price but not any price to keep Britain in. In

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this scenario, Labour would have lost the election again because we

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are talking the slowly happen if Mr Cameron is the largest party or has

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an overall majority. Could you then see Labour deciding we had better go

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along with a referendum, too? I think that's unlikely because as I

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think that's unlikely because there's a huge upside for that for I

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think what's interesting is the idea he would for minority government.

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Would you get confidence and look at other options that might well happen

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with the way the arithmetic is going or is he going to hold out and say

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the only way I will be Prime Minister is in a majority

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Conservative government? No, the implication of his remarks was I

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wouldn't form a coalition government unless my coalition partners would

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also agree to vote for a referendum. He's basically talking about is

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negotiating strategy in those coalition talks. It's a red line and

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a huge opportunity for the Lib Dems, because they know David Cameron

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absolutely has to do, for accidental reasons, as a person who survives as

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Tory leader, to ask for that referendum, so they can ask anything

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they want in return and if I was Nick Clegg, I would work out in the

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next year one absolute colossal negotiating demand for those

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coalition talks. For a party around 10% in the polls, they will do have

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the Prime Minister over a barrel on this one, assuming that coalition

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talks goes well. They could make Michael Gove Tbyte meeting. OK, we

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need to move on. So, the politicians are out and about on what used to be

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called the stump ahead of local and European elections in less than two

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weeks' time. But, without wanting to depress you on a damp Sunday

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morning, the party strategists are already hard at work on their

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campaign plans for the General Election next May. Yes, it's less

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than a year to go. They may have taken their time, but Labour's

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battleplan for 2015 is starting to take shape. As well as take

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promising to freeze your energy bills, and reintroduce the 50p rate

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of tax, Ed Miliband now says he wants to intervene in the housing

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market to keep rents down. There's even talk that the party leadership

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wants to bring more railway lines into public ownership. And Labour is

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gambling that its big push on the cost of living will see it through

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to the general election despite evidence that growth is firmly back.

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Labour's campaign chief Douglas Alexander hopes it all adds up to

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victory next May. But so far, the evidence is hitting home very thin.

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One survey today shows that 56% of people don't think Mr Miliband is up

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to the job of Prime Minister. As we head towards one of the least

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predictable general elections in 70 years, has Labour got a message to

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win seats up and down the country? And Labour's election co-ordinator

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and Shadow Foreign Secretary, Douglas Alexander, joins me now.

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Welcome to Sunday Politics. A lot of these policies announced polar

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pretty well. By popular with the country. When you add them together,

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it's a move to the left and what would be wrong with that? I think is

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your packet suggests, the contours in the coming campaign are becoming

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clear. Our judgement is the defining issue of the year in British

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politics will be the widening gap between the wealth of the country

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and the finances of ordinary families. We believe it will be a

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cost of living election and we have been setting out our thinking in

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relation to energy prices and rent, but you will hear more from Labour

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Party in the coming months because we're now less than one year away

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from a decisive moment. If the leftish think tank suggested any of

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his policies in that Tony Blair years, you would have opposed them.

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Let's be clear, when not going for an interest but seeking to secure a

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majority for the only way to do that is not simply to appeal to your

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base, but to the centre ground. I believe we got genuine opportunities

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in the next year. You have the Conservatives in a struggle with

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UKIP on the right of politics. The Lib Dems 9% of trying to find their

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base, and there's a genuine opportunity in the next year for

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Labour to dominate the centre ground of politics and secure the majority

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Labour government we are planning for in the coming year. I notice you

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didn't deny you wouldn't have opposed. You say you have got an

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message for aspirational voters in the South. This is what John Denham

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said. He thinks you're talking too much to your core vote.

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He is right to recognise we took a terrible beating in 2010. 29%. If

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you look at what we've done in the last week, for example, the

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signature policy on rent Ed Miliband announced to launch the campaign,

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there's now more than 9 million people in the country in the private

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rented sector, more than 1 million families. Many of them are in the

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south-east. They are seeing circumstances where, suddenly,

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landlord will increase the rent and they put the pressure involved in

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schooling, health care facing the families, so it is important both in

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terms of policy and in terms of politics that we speak to the whole

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country, not simply to one part of it falls up what is the average rise

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in event last year? I don't know. Can you tell me? 1%. 1% not in real

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terms. I'm not sure what the problem is. It will happen to wages in last

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year, we are facing circumstances where people will be worse off, up

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to ?1600 off worse and frankly, if our opponents want to argue that the

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economy has healed and they deserve a victory lap, good luck to them

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because actually, what we are hearing from the Buddhist public,

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not just in the north and south, is not the cost living crisis is

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continuing and it affects families. There was nothing aspirational about

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your party election broadcast for the European elections. It looked

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like crude class war to money people. That's a bit of it. Bedroom

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tax. Isn't it going to look bad that two thirds of those affected are

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disabled? Who cares? They can't fight back. Shall be lay-offs and

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NHS nurses? The National Health Service? Oh yes. Mr Cameron? Who

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said that? Me. My gosh. The man has shrunk. He's actually shrunk. What

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shall we do with him? Can we hunt him? Nothing about Europe, Labour

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policy. News that the Tories would result in negative campaigning and

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smear. You didn't tell you would be just as bad. Let's start the party

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broadcast. The one thing guaranteed to have most people reaching for the

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remote control these days are the words, there now follows a party but

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the broadcast. I make no apology in the factory to be innovative in how

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we presented. It's factual. It was a policy -based critic of this

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government. And the Lib Dems role within it. So you're claiming it's

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factual to betray the camera and cabinet is not even knowing what the

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NHS is, -- the Cameron Cabinet. They attack the disabled because they

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can't fight back. The Pinellas Tanner severely Prime Minister Sun

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and he was treated during a short life by the NHS. It's a fact many

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disabled people across the country including in my constituency have

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been directly affected by the bedroom tax. And ultimately, this

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Conservative led government, including the Lib Dems, will be held

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accountable by the politicians. You say that, the Prime Minister, who

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had a severely disabled son of. I you not ashamed about? I shadowed

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Iain Duncan Smith of five months also they don't have the excuses of

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seeing that saying nobody told them the consequences of the bedroom tax.

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They went into this with their eyes open. They knew about the hardship

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and difficulty. If they were one-bedroom properties available

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across the country for people to move into, their argument would be

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OK but they knew they were dealing with the most vulnerable people. Did

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you sign off that part of the broadcast? Of course I stand by the

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fact of it. I wish David Cameron and Iain Duncan Smith would apologise to

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the disabled people of the country and the poorest people for the

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effects of the bedroom tax. I hope we get that apology between now and

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election. As someone who thinks integrity is important in politics,

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not ashamed of this kind of thing? It's important we scrutinise the

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policies of this government as well as adding a positive agenda for

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change. You want that you won't promise this is the last time we'll

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see such a negative press campaign? I don't think it is negative or

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personal to scrutinise the government. So we'll get more of

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this? I'm less interested in the background of the cabinet than their

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views. You call the upper-class twits. It's for the British public

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to make a judgement in terms of the British... That's how you depicted

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them. We are held in accountable for the bedroom tax, the NHS, taxation,

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and our record they have to defend. One reason are so fearful in this

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election is actually because they know they have a poor record. Let's

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look at other part of the election campaign. This poster. Particularly

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digitally doing the rounds. On that shopping basket, can you tell us

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which items take the full 20% VAT? It's representative of household

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shopping, which includes items like cleaning products, and we know that

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food is not that trouble. People don't go to the supermarket and say

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this is -- vatable. So you are denying that ?450 extra is being

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paid? Yes, where'd you get that figure? For an average family to pay

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?450 a year extra VAT, they would have to spend ?21,600 a year on

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vatable products at 20%. The average take-home pay is only 21,009. They

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have got to spend on all sorts of things which are zero VAT. So in

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addition to the items, has a range of products people face in terms of

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VAT. How could an average family of ?21,000 a year spent 21,006 and the

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pound a year on 20% vatable items? It's not an annual figure, is it? So

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what is it then? If it's an annual, what is it? The increased VAT in

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this parliament is calculated over the course of a Parliament. For the

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whole of the Parliament? And you're illustrated this with a shopping

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basket which almost has no VAT on it at all? People will be buying a

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weekly shop in the course of this Parliament every week. Did you sign

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off on this as well? Of course. It didn't dawn on you you're putting

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things on it which have no VAT? If you want to argue some people go to

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the shops and say these are vatable or not, I disagree. Even your rent

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cap announcement went wrong. You're working on the rent rises and it

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turns out it wasn't. It was a post your policy. It is the exception

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rather than the rule to have the position we have at the moment. In

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Northern Ireland we have seen the continued rise in terms of the

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rented sector but there is a widespread recognition that for

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those people in the rented sector, change is necessary. Are you

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coordinating this campaign? It seems accident prone. This is a party that

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has set the agenda more effectively than a Conservative party that said

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when David Cameron was elected he wasn't going to bang on about

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Europe. The day after the election we expect the Conservative party to

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be engulfed in crisis. I'm proud of what we talk about and I think there

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is a clear contrast about a party talking about issues people care

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about, and a Conservative party talking about exclusively a

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referendum. Are you in charge of the campaign? I am coordinating the

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campaign is, yes. The expensive election guru you have hired, has he

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been involved in any of this? We have started our discussions with

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him. You are going to have to brief him about British politics because

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he doesn't know anything about it. I make no apology for hiring him. He

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has a lot of experience in winning tight elections and that is what we

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are expecting. If you are expecting us to say, they have passed and we

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have to hold them accountable, then I am sorry but we have a campaign

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that holds the Government and the Conservatives to account for what I

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think is a very hopeless record in government. Thank you.

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He leads a party with zero MPs but his media presence is huge. He's had

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an expenses scandal, but the public didn't seem to mind. He's got a

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privileged background but he's seen as an anti-establishment champion.

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Nothing seems to stick to him, not even eggs. I speak of course of

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Nigel Farage. We'll talk to him in a moment, but first Giles has been out

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on the campaign trail ahead of elections that could make or break

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the UKIP leader. Nigel Farage likes a stage, and at

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this stage of the Euro and local election campaign he is, like his

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party, in buoyant mood. They feel they are on the verge of what they

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see as causing an earthquake in British politics. Today Nigel is

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filling thousands seat venues and bigger. Not that there's much sign

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of that at this press launch. But it's a threat with serious money

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behind it, that they believe the media and the political elite just

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haven't realised yet, much less learned how to counter it. Not that

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it's all been plain sailing. Offensive comments from some

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candidates has not only seen UKIP labelled as racist, but necessitated

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a rally by the party to visibly and verbally challenge that. The

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offensive idiotic statements made by this handful of people have been

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lifted up and presented to the great British public as if they represent

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the view of this party, which they do not. They never have and they

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never will. APPLAUSE I don't care what you call us, but

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from this moment on, please do not call must trust a racist party. We

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are not a racist party. The need to say that is not just

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about the European and local elections even at that campaign

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launch it's clear UKIP's leader has set his sights firmly on the

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ultimate prize. I come from the south of England and I would not

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want to be seen as an opportunist heading to the north, north Norfolk

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or whatever it will be. I will make my mind up and stand in the general

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election for somewhere in Kent, East Sussex, Hampshire, somewhere in my

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home patch. Back at UKIP HQ they are still drilling down how the last

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fortnight of campaigning should go. They aren't taking any chances, and

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one imagines having offices above those of Max Clifford is a reminder

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how fragile built reputations can be of the bubble bursting. They want

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their reputation to be built on votes and they know anything but

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significant success on May 22nd and some seats in Westminster in 2015

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isn't going to be good enough. And after that, having sold yourselves

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as the honest outsiders, that stance is harder to maintain once your

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people are on the inside. And subtle changes from the past are already

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noticeable. The ordinary man of the people stance is still working.

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Characteristically outside a pub, Nigel Farage is glad handed by a

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customer. Two weeks to go, let's cause an upset. Wouldn't that be

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great? The only sign that such an interaction is different now is the

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ever presence of bodyguards who shadow his every move. Over lunch

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ahead of Question Time, a radio appearance, and then off to

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Scotland, I ask him if some of those minded to vote UKIP who see him as a

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man they'd be comfortable having a drink with are the sort of people

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he'd be entirely comfortable sitting down with. Every political party

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attracts support from across the spectrum and there will be some

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magnificent people who vote for us and some ne'er-do-wells. The one

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common thing about UKIP voters is that they are often not very

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political. And it's that people's army that if UKIP can get to a

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polling booth might just create that earthquake they want.

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Nigel Farage joins me now. When you decided not to stand at the new work

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by election coming said if you lost it that the bubble would have

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burst. What did you mean by that? I was asked at seven 20p -- at 7:21pm

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if I would stand, I have decided by the next morning that I would not. I

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didn't know he was going to resign. You claim only a handful of UKIP

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candidates have ever said things that are either stupid or offensive,

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I'm right on that, yes? 0.1%, I'd rather it was non-. But why have you

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chosen a candidate to fight this by-election that has said many

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things most people would regard as stupid or offensive? Roger is

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fighting this for us, someone of 70 years of age who grew up with a

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strong Christian Bible background, in an age when homosexuality was

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imprisonable. He had a certain set of views which he maintained for

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many years which he now says he accepts the world has moved on and

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he is relaxed about it. The comments about homosexuality are not from the

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dark ages, they are from two or three years ago. From when he was a

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Conservative, yes, so will you be asking David Cameron that question?

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I have never seen a single comment from Roger that would be deemed to

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be offensive. Do you regard his comments on homosexuality as

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offensive? When he grew up, homosexuality was illegal in this

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country. But this was in 2012 but he said that. Most people have his age

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still feel uncomfortable about it -- of his age. In 2012 he said, if two

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men can be married, why not three, why not a commune. Many people in

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this country are disconcerted by the change in the meaning of marriage

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and in a tolerant society we understand that some people have

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different views. But he has changed his views now in only two years? He

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says he is more relaxed about it. Was he your candidate? He is a

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first-class campaigner who has had 30 years in industry, he served in

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the European Parliament, he is a good candidate. This morning's

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papers suggest you are about to select Victoria Ayling for Grimsby,

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but she is on camera saying that, of immigrants, I just want to send a

:25:18.:25:22.

lot back. This is all very interesting, and we can talk about

:25:23.:25:26.

it, all we could talk about the fact that in 12 days we have a European

:25:27.:25:30.

election and every voter across the UK can vote on it and it is really

:25:31.:25:37.

interesting. Are you happy to pick a candidate that says of immigrants, I

:25:38.:25:45.

just want to send a lot back? I have seen the tape, it is a complete

:25:46.:25:50.

misquote and she says it in the context of illegal immigrants. I

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have seen the full quote and in the context it is not about illegal

:25:59.:26:01.

immigrants. Let's come onto the European campaign, you have used a

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company that employs Eastern European is to deliver leaflets in

:26:07.:26:11.

London and the Home Counties. Have we? I'm told that in Croydon one

:26:12.:26:17.

branch might have done that. Have you found some indigenous Brits to

:26:18.:26:23.

deliver leaflets in Europe? We have thousands joining the party every

:26:24.:26:27.

month and they are not all indigenous because what is

:26:28.:26:30.

interesting is that in today's opinion polls, UKIP is above the Lib

:26:31.:26:46.

Dems and the Conservatives amongst the indigenous voting.

:26:47.:26:56.

We have not agreed a manifesto for the general election, we will do

:26:57.:27:03.

over the course of the summer. This is in your local election. We are

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having local elections in some part of the country but we are fighting a

:27:10.:27:13.

European election. It is impossible with the British media to have an

:27:14.:27:18.

intelligent debate on the European question. But as I say, we are also

:27:19.:27:24.

fighting the local elections too. You have promised these tax cuts,

:27:25.:27:31.

how much will they cost? I have met -- read the local election manifesto

:27:32.:27:36.

and it doesn't make those promises. We do talk about local services, we

:27:37.:27:40.

do talk about the need to keep council tax down but we don't talk

:27:41.:27:48.

about income tax. Absolutely not. In local election campaigning you say

:27:49.:27:52.

you would restore cuts to policing, double prison places, restore cuts

:27:53.:27:58.

to front line NHS, spend more on roads, how much would that cost? You

:27:59.:28:05.

are obviously reading different documents to me. We are voting for

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local councillors in district councils who have got little local

:28:11.:28:17.

budgets. Every party in a manifesto puts his aspirations in it. Have you

:28:18.:28:23.

read it? Of course I have, cover to cover, which is why I'm saying you

:28:24.:28:29.

are misquoting it. By the way, on the bubble bursting, you told that

:28:30.:28:36.

to Norman Smith of the BBC. 75% of British laws are now made in the

:28:37.:28:41.

European Union. Now AstraZeneca is potentially going to be taken over

:28:42.:28:46.

by Pfizer. The BBC is refusing to show the public that that decision

:28:47.:28:51.

cannot be taken here but by an elected European commissioner, and

:28:52.:28:55.

we sit and argue about what is in or not in the local election manifesto.

:28:56.:29:09.

It is my job, but let me come on to AstraZeneca. Is it your view that a

:29:10.:29:12.

British government should stop the takeover of AstraZeneca? It cannot.

:29:13.:29:24.

Can we please get this clear. I sat next to Chuka Umunna the other day

:29:25.:29:29.

at question time and he said what could and couldn't be done. He said

:29:30.:29:34.

I am being studiously neutral, and the reason is we don't have this

:29:35.:29:38.

power. That is what the European elections is about. Should France

:29:39.:29:44.

have the takeover of the food company Danan? We seem to do things

:29:45.:30:02.

to the Nth degree and nobody else does, perhaps because we have this

:30:03.:30:06.

culture and we obey it. In your view, you don't think Pfizer should

:30:07.:30:15.

be able to take over AstraZeneca? There is some good science within

:30:16.:30:19.

AstraZeneca which is in danger of being asset stripped and lost.

:30:20.:30:26.

Because it is run by a Swede and a Frenchman and most of its employees

:30:27.:30:31.

are overseas. I understand that but there are still some good science

:30:32.:30:36.

being produced here. What did you think of the Prime Minister saying

:30:37.:30:39.

he would not form a government after the election unless he was able to

:30:40.:30:45.

have a referendum in 2017? I sat here talking to you and you said to

:30:46.:30:52.

me that David Cameron had given a cast-iron guarantee that if David

:30:53.:30:56.

Cameron becomes Prime Minister he will have a referendum on the Lisbon

:30:57.:31:00.

Treaty, but he didn't deliver on that. He knows that people struggle

:31:01.:31:05.

to believe the renegotiation is worth a row of beans. He is saying

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he will not form a government unless he can go forward with the

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referendum. I know he is desperately trying to pretend to be Eurosceptic

:31:16.:31:18.

whilst at the same time saying he will campaign for Britain to remain

:31:19.:31:23.

in. In a sense, that is what this election is about. We have three

:31:24.:31:27.

traditional parties, all of whom passionately believe in the

:31:28.:31:30.

continued membership of the European Union and we have UKIP saying we

:31:31.:31:35.

want trade and cooperation but there is a bigger and better world out

:31:36.:31:40.

there. You are now travelling with I think four bodyguards, has this

:31:41.:31:51.

affected you and your family life? I can't stand it. I've always wondered

:31:52.:31:55.

about the place and on my own thing. Sadly we have a couple of

:31:56.:31:59.

organisations out there headed up by senior Labour Party figures who

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purport to be against fascism and extremism, who received funding from

:32:03.:32:07.

the Department of communities, from the trade unions, who have acted in

:32:08.:32:11.

a violent wait more than once. You are saying the Labour Party is

:32:12.:32:16.

behind the threats? No, I said a taxpayer funded, trade union funded

:32:17.:32:20.

and headed by senior Labour Party figures, and I'm happy for them to

:32:21.:32:23.

come to my meetings and have an itinerant with me, but it's not so

:32:24.:32:27.

much fun when there are banging you over the head. I is still keen to be

:32:28.:32:33.

an MP? Yes, what UKIP will then do is target before the general

:32:34.:32:38.

election next year for the one life be easier if you just went to the

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Lords? That's the last thing I want to do. There's an awful lot to do.

:32:44.:32:47.

Most of all, I will not rest until we are free from political union and

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government from Brussels. Nigel Farage, thank you for being with us.

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It's just gone 11.30am. You're watching the Sunday Politics. We say

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goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now for Sunday Politics

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Scotland. Coming up here in 20 minutes, our panel talks about the

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big stories of the week. First though,

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big stories of the week. First Good morning and welcome to the part

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of the show just for us here in the West. Coming up: Labour in Somerset

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put out a poster comparing UKIP supporters to zombies who vote

:33:25.:33:30.

without thinking. The political mudslinging of today all seems

:33:31.:33:33.

rather tame compared to what went on in Victorian times. We'll dive into

:33:34.:33:36.

Bristol's archives and find evidence that campaigning used to be far more

:33:37.:33:39.

vicious. And talking of mudslinging, we've got two guests who will be

:33:40.:33:43.

going at it hammer and tongs but later in the programme. They are

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Sophie Gardner for Labour and, from UKIP, Jake Shaw. They're both

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standing in West Country seating next year's general election. ``

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West Country seats in next year's general election. But first, let's

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talk nicely about the other elections that are taking place this

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month` the ones to local councils. Here is Paul Barltrop. This year's

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local elections in the West are small in number but big in

:34:13.:34:16.

significance. A third of seats are up in Bristol and Labour next year

:34:17.:34:19.

end to seize Parliamentary seats from both coalition parties. In

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Stroud and Gloucester, the Conservatives are the largest group

:34:22.:34:25.

on hung councils and have MPs with slender majorities. In nearby

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Cheltenham, it's a coalition dogfight. A Lib Dem Council and Lib

:34:28.:34:31.

Dem MP with the Tories on the attack. Finally, there's Swindon,

:34:32.:34:37.

and that's always one to watch. The Conservatives have both Westminster

:34:38.:34:40.

seats and run the borough. But it's very close, with Labour chasing

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hard. For decades, Swindon's been a barometer for general election

:34:44.:34:46.

success. Navigate its famous Magic Roundabout and the road to Downing

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Street lies open. Its museum shows its working`class roots but also a

:34:50.:34:53.

more middle class side. Like its renowned collection of 20th century

:34:54.:34:58.

paintings. Art lover Eric Burnett`Godfrey says the town is

:34:59.:35:09.

moving up in the world. Swindon has a very strong tradition of art and

:35:10.:35:12.

culture practice. I think what Swindon needs is to step up into the

:35:13.:35:16.

professional league and become a first division cultural town to

:35:17.:35:19.

match the economic growth that is taking place here recently. This

:35:20.:35:22.

socioeconomic change is a challenge for Labour. Jack Straw is one of a

:35:23.:35:25.

procession of senior figures who visited. Voters exhibit mixed

:35:26.:35:36.

loyalties but little enthusiasm. I don't hardly vote at all if I'm

:35:37.:35:40.

honest. I don't hardly vote. A lot of them, they say things and they

:35:41.:35:44.

don't always mean what they say. Why Labour? Because I hate what the

:35:45.:35:47.

Tories have done to this country. Probably the Conservatives, still.

:35:48.:35:49.

There's something what comes across to me from UKIP but I think, for

:35:50.:35:54.

people my age and all, I think they will do a better job for me. UKIP

:35:55.:36:02.

are bullish. Membership is at a high. They're leafleting hard,

:36:03.:36:05.

standing candidates in all 20 wards. That's quite a contrast to the

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Liberal Democrats, who are currently the third party in the council

:36:09.:36:10.

chamber. For the ruling Conservatives, it isn't easy. They

:36:11.:36:13.

prefer to highlight their party's track record locally, not

:36:14.:36:16.

nationally. And they hope to appeal to Swindon's growing middle classes

:36:17.:36:21.

with a new purpose`built museum. Swindon's demographic clearly has

:36:22.:36:24.

changed over the years quite dramatically and if you have a new

:36:25.:36:27.

art gallery, I think that speaks volumes about the town's commitment

:36:28.:36:30.

to culture and wanting to place that at the heart of its growth and

:36:31.:36:33.

development. So Swindon's changing, economically

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and culturally. But politically, it's hard to predict.

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OK, let's pick up a few issues coming out of that film. Sophie,

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you're standing for another important seat in the West Country.

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Do you take the point that Labour needs to appeal to aspirational

:36:48.:36:57.

voters? Or are you happy just to appeal to core voters? No, I'm not

:36:58.:37:07.

happy to appeal just to core voters. Clearly, if the people that voted

:37:08.:37:10.

for us last time, next election next year, vote in the same numbers, I

:37:11.:37:14.

won't be winning in Gloucester so that would be a bad idea. Tony Blair

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famously went for Mondeo man, didn't he? I don't recall that particular

:37:19.:37:21.

campaign. You're making me stand old now! `` you're making me sound old.

:37:22.:37:25.

But I can promise you, it was quite famous. I think we need to talk to

:37:26.:37:28.

lots of different people. It's people shifting their views of what

:37:29.:37:31.

Labour's offering, what it stands for, how we actually want to change

:37:32.:37:35.

the future for this country in terms of offering young people a better

:37:36.:37:38.

future than the one that they're facing at the moment. With great

:37:39.:37:41.

unemployment prospects, expensive education, punitive benefits and so

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on and so forth. I just think they need something positive. Let's go to

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UKIP. What would be the point of voting for UKIP in a local election?

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What's it got to do with anything? Well, we've got some pretty active

:37:53.:37:55.

local councillors where we've got them. We're running ten candidates

:37:56.:37:58.

in Stroud, for instance, whereas the Liberal Democrats are running three.

:37:59.:38:06.

But say there was a debate about a local car park or whether to cut the

:38:07.:38:15.

village green. Why would you need an out of Europe guy to do that?

:38:16.:38:18.

Because it's all about grassroots politics. It's all about getting

:38:19.:38:21.

power back to the people where they live and that's actually

:38:22.:38:23.

underpinning everything we've been talking about. And our councillors

:38:24.:38:26.

do that, too. Well, that's very good if they do but the point is that

:38:27.:38:30.

that's why you should vote for a local guy who's going to do the work

:38:31.:38:35.

for you. We have a councillor up in Lincolnshire who actually clean the

:38:36.:38:38.

toilets every day. So I think a local UKIP councillor ` vote for the

:38:39.:38:42.

guy who's going to work for you. You see, the considered thinking is that

:38:43.:38:45.

you might do well in these elections, the European elections,

:38:46.:38:48.

but after that, the tide goes out. Well, the old Chinese proverb is "we

:38:49.:38:52.

shall see", but I think we're going to do all right in the general

:38:53.:38:56.

election as well. Why are you not way ahead in the polls at this

:38:57.:39:00.

stage? I don't know. I'm not really looking at the polls. I'm measuring

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it on how we are doing when we're talking with people, what people are

:39:05.:39:07.

worried about the stop if I obsessed with all the polls and all the

:39:08.:39:11.

figures, I'd never get any work done and, actually, what I need to be

:39:12.:39:15.

doing is talking to people in Gloucester. And what have they told

:39:16.:39:18.

you about why you're not ahead in the polls? I don't talk to them

:39:19.:39:22.

about the polls. We talk about... You must say, "are you going to vote

:39:23.:39:25.

Labour?" And they must say "no". What do you say to that? Normally

:39:26.:39:29.

you talk about what they're planning to vote, if they're planning to

:39:30.:39:33.

vote. Some of them are just angry. I spoke to one young guy who'd never

:39:34.:39:37.

voted last week and he, sort of, was closing down the conversation. He

:39:38.:39:40.

said, "you don't understand my life". And I said, what sort of

:39:41.:39:44.

life? And he was in the Navy. And actually, we had a really good five,

:39:45.:39:47.

ten minute conversation about some of the issues that are facing our

:39:48.:39:50.

defence forces, which, of course, being ex`air force I could talk

:39:51.:39:54.

about. And I was at sea for two years with the Navy. So you talk to

:39:55.:39:58.

people and you find out what it is that concerns them. How much of a

:39:59.:40:02.

blue would it be for UKIP if they didn't do well in the local

:40:03.:40:06.

elections? Well, we would like to do well. How much of a blow? It would

:40:07.:40:11.

be the same as any blow to any party that didn't do well in a local

:40:12.:40:14.

election. But I think we're going to do well, cos we've got loads of

:40:15.:40:18.

active people. I know in my constituency, where we haven't got

:40:19.:40:21.

any local elections, our party's very active in local causes. They

:40:22.:40:25.

raised a bunch of money and did a load of bag holding in the floods,

:40:26.:40:29.

for instance. So how will we do? I think we're going to do well. Will

:40:30.:40:32.

it be disastrous if we don't? No, because we're going forward to the

:40:33.:40:35.

general election. OK. Thank you. Now, the gloves came off in the

:40:36.:40:39.

election race this week. A Labour Party political broadcast was

:40:40.:40:42.

devoted to belittling Nick Clegg and an article written by Labour in

:40:43.:40:45.

Somerset accused UKIP followers of being zombies who'd had their brains

:40:46.:40:48.

removed. Robert Markwell has been taking a look at the rough side of

:40:49.:40:50.

politics. Their opponents would like you to

:40:51.:40:53.

think they come from outer space. But if the polls are to be believed,

:40:54.:40:57.

UKIP supporters, or Kippers, are already here en masse. This version

:40:58.:41:00.

of a 1950s sci`fi film poster is just one of a raft of attack ads.

:41:01.:41:04.

It's being circulated online by Labour in Somerset. They've compared

:41:05.:41:07.

UKIP supporters to zombies, voting without thinking. I don't believe

:41:08.:41:12.

that what we are engaging in is negative campaigning. I believe UKIP

:41:13.:41:19.

are engaged in negative campaigning and I think the type of poster

:41:20.:41:22.

campaign they've run, which scapegoats immigrants and so on,

:41:23.:41:25.

terrifies other people. It is negative campaigning. What we're

:41:26.:41:27.

doing is challenging that negative campaigning by getting people to

:41:28.:41:31.

look at the real issues and that's what politics should be about `

:41:32.:41:36.

looking at the real issues. Privately, some Conservatives have

:41:37.:41:39.

told me they thought Labour went a bit too far. But the Tories, too,

:41:40.:41:42.

have been putting out their own anti`UKIP leaflets, and in UKIP

:41:43.:41:49.

colours. It was a point we put to the PM on his tour of the West this

:41:50.:41:53.

week. That is saying, quite right, that you could say one thing and

:41:54.:41:57.

then they say another. You wouldn't know that that's a Conservative

:41:58.:41:59.

leaflet. No, you absolutely would know it's a Conservative leaflet

:42:00.:42:03.

because it says at the bottom that it is promoted by the Conservative

:42:04.:42:06.

party. UKIP says it happened to shrug off the brickbats but how do

:42:07.:42:09.

these messages go down where it really matters, with the voters? ``

:42:10.:42:13.

happy to shrug off the brickbats. We sought professional advice at the

:42:14.:42:23.

Bristol communications agency. We have a whole load of disaffected

:42:24.:42:26.

voters. And with that, I don't think negative campaigning works. They

:42:27.:42:29.

will not be trusting the words coming out of the politicians that

:42:30.:42:32.

they've already decided they don't trust. And when it comes to trust,

:42:33.:42:37.

you might have thought we were more trusting about politicians in

:42:38.:42:40.

centuries past. But a glance through one of the largest collections of

:42:41.:42:42.

political leaflets in the country reveals anything but. If you thought

:42:43.:42:45.

politicians could be pretty rough with each other today, they have

:42:46.:42:49.

nothing on the Victorians. Take a look at this leaflet from the 1878

:42:50.:42:53.

Bristol by`election. It's from the Liberal candidate. He says, "vote

:42:54.:42:57.

for me and you get peace aplenty and a table filled with food". However,

:42:58.:43:07.

should you dare vote for his Conservative rival, he claims,

:43:08.:43:10.

"you'll end up with long hours, little pay and, in the end,

:43:11.:43:13.

starvation". So whether it's the threat of emaciation then or

:43:14.:43:15.

zombification now, politics has always been a mucky business. For

:43:16.:43:19.

voters hardened to at all, they will have had enough of the scare

:43:20.:43:22.

stories. Thanks to Bristol University for

:43:23.:43:26.

showing us their collection. They say they're always grateful for new

:43:27.:43:30.

material. OK, let's just talk about that. Do you think he's a braindead

:43:31.:43:35.

zombie? No, I don't. Why has your party issued material that suggests

:43:36.:43:38.

they might think that? I can't tell you why a councillor in a different

:43:39.:43:42.

part of the South West has done it. It's not my style. I don't think

:43:43.:43:50.

that... If you want to have a conversation about with people and

:43:51.:43:53.

people are deciding how to vote and they might be thinking about voting

:43:54.:43:56.

UKIP but they might be thinking about voting Labour, or for other

:43:57.:44:00.

parties, if I want to start a conversation I'm not going to be

:44:01.:44:03.

helpful if I start that conversation by insulting them. Do you think that

:44:04.:44:07.

some people in the Labour Party don't really get UKIP and don't

:44:08.:44:10.

respect people who think they have good ideas? I wouldn't say that. I

:44:11.:44:14.

think... We're talking about it so it's getting attention, and I can

:44:15.:44:18.

see that some people want to do that. Below that message ` obviously

:44:19.:44:21.

I've read it now ` are some quite good points about the fact that UKIP

:44:22.:44:25.

MEPs claim all their expenses but do very little work in Europe. So I can

:44:26.:44:30.

see why people do it. It isn't my style. Do you recognise this

:44:31.:44:33.

description of your followers as being zombies? No, absolutely not.

:44:34.:44:36.

And I actually have to say that I was a Labour voter and I've been to

:44:37.:44:40.

university. I run my own businesses. Being a zombie is not helpful for

:44:41.:44:44.

running your own business. I think it's insulting. I think it's

:44:45.:44:48.

negative campaigning and I think that it will backfire because nobody

:44:49.:44:53.

wants to be talked to like that. If you go and tell somebody to go to

:44:54.:44:57.

hail, if you like, they are hardly going to be predisposed to be

:44:58.:45:00.

positive about any message you've got after that. The question people

:45:01.:45:04.

might ask is what your policies are. We know you want out of Europe but

:45:05.:45:08.

we don't really know much more about you. Well, as with most parties, our

:45:09.:45:11.

general election manifesto isn't out yet. Or any policies at all. We have

:45:12.:45:19.

quite a few policies. Before I was coming on the programme, we were

:45:20.:45:22.

talking about railways, we were talking about cheese. We do have

:45:23.:45:25.

issues. So you've got policies on cheese and railways? What's your

:45:26.:45:28.

railway policy, as a matter of interest? Well, we don't support

:45:29.:45:30.

renationalisation. We don't support HS2, because it's an EU vanity

:45:31.:45:34.

project and it's a lot of money we could spend on upgrading the rest of

:45:35.:45:38.

the railway, for instance. We actually believe that travellers on

:45:39.:45:41.

the railway should have some say in franchises. We believe franchises

:45:42.:45:47.

should be longer. OK. Is it true that, as was put out in Labour's

:45:48.:45:50.

material, that you would cut maternity pay by more than half? No.

:45:51.:45:59.

OK. Is it true you would hand the whole of the NHS over to private

:46:00.:46:02.

companies? No, but the Conservative party is trying to do that right

:46:03.:46:06.

now. OK. Well, if you ask him what his policies are, those, on that...

:46:07.:46:09.

It's just "no, they're not." It's very difficult to pin them down.

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Maybe cheese we can discuss. Yeah, when you going to come up with

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something which is more than just "we want out of Europe"? Well, we're

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working on it now and what are we coming up with? We've got a lot of

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people who want to get back to control for the voters out there. So

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we want to localise a lot of what happens. We want to reduce the size

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of government, we want to reduce the amount of bureaucracy and red tape

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that people have to deal within their lives and in their business.

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Why is it, then, the mud doesn't seem to stick when it's thrown at

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UKIP but it would if it was thrown at Labour? Labour carry some of the

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blame, that's why. That's a very long... I could almost write an

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essay on it. I'm not absolutely sure. I think it's because UKIP is

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anti`politics. It's a negative thing and it's against things, it wants

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out of things and so on. And at the moment, there's very little positive

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policy. That's not true at all. I think, therefore, when you're being

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an anti`politician, as Farage very much as, you are a bit more Teflon

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in terms of... Do you think it has backfired, all this negative

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fruitcake stuff? I think it's giving UKIP additional publicity that they

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would have... Why don't you stop doing it, then? I'm not doing it. I

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didn't say I was. Your party is doing it. I did not say I was. It's

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talking down to people. It's being rude to people. I'm very sorry but

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that's not... Jake, I'm the candidate for Gloucester. All I

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control is the campaign for Gloucester. That is what I am doing.

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You look at my literature ` unlike the candidate, the UKIP candidate,

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recently selected, who got negative about me straightaway, I'm not doing

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that. David Miliband was doing exactly the same thing the other

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day, saying that we were... I don't control David Miliband, you will be

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amazed to hear. Do we mean Ed? I've been called a racist, I've been

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called homophobic, I've been called sexist. I'm none of these things. I

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had to ring up a gay friend the other day and said, "I just want to

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check ` am I homophobic?" He said, "not in 20 years". So actually,

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negative campaigning is what we get. On the street, we don't get that.

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OK. Now, we've asked all the parties running in the European elections to

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pitch for your vote. Last week we heard from four. Here are the

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remaining four in no particular order.

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The Conservatives have a good record on Europe. We've cut the EU budget

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for the first time ever. David Cameron vetoed a treaty that wasn't

:48:23.:48:26.

our interests and we're now out of the EU bailout fund. Now we want to

:48:27.:48:34.

reform Europe for good. We want to take powers back from Brussels to

:48:35.:48:38.

Britain. We want to renegotiate the terms of our membership. When the

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deal is done, we're going to put that to the British people so you

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can decide whether we stay or leave in a referendum.

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Well, of course, the real debate in this election is about whether we

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are in the European Union or out. My party, the Liberal Democrats, is the

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party of in. In because being in Europe means being in work. Having

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all of the foreign investment that sustains so many jobs in export

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industries. Some 365,000 here in the South West. Being in Europe because

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being in means our police forces and our judiciary is working together to

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tackle international crime and being in Europe to fight climate change,

:49:21.:49:21.

together with other countries. We should like to stop mass

:49:22.:49:34.

immigration. We want to turn off the immigration tap, reverse the

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multicultural societies, withdraw from the EU. Reintroduce Christian

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values into this country. Deport illegal immigrant is an bogus asylum

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seekers. `` illegal image and tos and Bochum asylum seekers. ``

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illegal immigrants. And finally, and perhaps also very important, we want

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to support UK manufacturing. Once we were the workshop of the world. We

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want to be so again and we think we could if we favoured our own in this

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country. The English Democrats are the only party representing England

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and the English. The huge debts incurred prior to 2008 by a small

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group of Scottish bankers based in Edinburgh are being paid for by the

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English. We want equal treatment for the people of England, no less than

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for those in Scotland and Wales. Voters in England cannot rely upon

:50:26.:50:28.

the other parties to put their interests first. They seem

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preoccupied with minorities. The English Democrats are the only party

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to guarantee to put England first. That was the final four. We did the

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previous four last week, so everyone is covered fair and square, and you

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can find a full list of all the candidates on the BBC website. Now

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here's a brief recap of the political week in 60 seconds.

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On Thursday, the Prime Minister ventured west on his campaign trail.

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David Cameron rallied Conservative activists in Chippenham, Waterman to

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read and Bristol and urged disaffected Tories to come back from

:51:13.:51:16.

UKIP. Hi there, good to see you. Thanks for coming out in the rain.

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His government defended its contract to build a new nuclear power

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station, Hinkley Point, despite claims it could be null and void. A

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group of law and economic so experts have warned the deal may have been

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too generous to the firm EDF Energy. West Country producers of cheddar

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are feeling cheesed off. China has banned the cheese after its food

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inspectors complained about hygiene standards at a British dairy. The

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farming minister called for the restrictions to be lifted as soon as

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possible. There was a final twist in the tale of Bristol's disputed

:51:54.:51:56.

Banksy. The city's mayor had recaptured the work from the local

:51:57.:52:04.

boys' club but the artist confirmed that the club was the rightful

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owner. Let's go back to the story about

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cheese and the Chinese banning cheddar. If we were out of the EU,

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wouldn't we be very vulnerable to countries doing things by that? No

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because it's an issue for the World Trade Organisation. One of the

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issues about the EU is that the EU is negotiating a trade deal which

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means we are going to be flooded. It wouldn't be a problem. The

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collective action that Europe can have together, and the trade

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agreement we have, is really important. I would say also, I know

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it's about cheese but it is about the use of soft power in China and,

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again, you can see where Putin is heading if you read what he's been

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saying recently. I think that collective action with Europe is

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really important closer to home. That's all we've got time for this

:52:56.:52:59.

week. It would be nice to go on. But thanks to Sophie and Jake for coming

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in. If you want to see this part of the show again ` and

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Welcome back, let's go straight to our panel. What did you make of Mr

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Alexander's defence of the Labour party election broadcast? It is

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difficult for them because they started by saying they were not

:53:30.:53:33.

going to do negative campaigning and they have thrown that away for an

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advert which is funny but crude in the class war sense. He didn't look

:53:40.:53:46.

thrilled to be defending it. There is a page in Tony Blair's memoirs

:53:47.:53:52.

talking about negative campaigning, and he says that anything too

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extreme turns off the average voter so his line of attack on Hague was

:53:56.:54:07.

funny jokes but... I think this failed the Blair test, it was too

:54:08.:54:12.

vicious. If your strategy is to shore up your car vote, that advert

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was genius. If your strategy is to reach out to a broader number of

:54:20.:54:25.

voters, Middle Britain, then that advert was a complete disaster. It

:54:26.:54:29.

looks like there is a lot of negativity and smears all round in

:54:30.:54:34.

the next year. That definitely looks the way we are going. They will be

:54:35.:54:52.

essentially trying to re-run by -- the American election. I am slightly

:54:53.:55:04.

puzzled why we cannot have our own election gurus who live here and

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understand the country. I should point out that the ?450 extra VAT

:55:10.:55:15.

that was claimed in that Labour poster, both Ed Balls and the Labour

:55:16.:55:21.

Treasury team have said that is ?450 per year. Nonsense the VAT rise, one

:55:22.:55:27.

year. I should also point out that Nigel Farage said to Norman Smith,

:55:28.:55:32.

the BBC is always reliable Norman Smith that if you run in Newark and

:55:33.:55:38.

lost the bubble would burst. I should also point out that although

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a number of the tax rises I mentioned on council tax, minimum

:55:44.:55:48.

wage tax and some other things that UKIP wants to cuts, a couple of

:55:49.:55:53.

these are in the local manifesto but several are not. They are on the

:55:54.:55:59.

UKIP website, which is still current and dated 2014. We like to make sure

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we are absolutely right. Let's talk about Nick Clegg and Michael Gove

:56:07.:56:12.

and the latest spat. Let me show you this headline in the Observer this

:56:13.:56:19.

morning. From both the Independent, he called him a zealot, lunatic is

:56:20.:56:31.

of -- another word. Do we take this seriously? It hinges on this

:56:32.:56:36.

question of what counts as an area of need in education. The Lib Dems

:56:37.:56:41.

say an area of need is one where there are not enough school places

:56:42.:56:45.

to meet local demand. He says it can also be a place where there are

:56:46.:56:50.

surplus places but that is for a reason. Local places don't trust

:56:51.:57:01.

those schools to do a good job for their kids. It surprises me because

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there isn't a yawning distance between David Laws and Michael Gove.

:57:08.:57:11.

David Laws has found himself between a rock and a hard place because I

:57:12.:57:16.

asked -- as I understand it most Lib Dems don't like the free schools but

:57:17.:57:20.

Mr laws was quite sympathetic to it and he is now having to this respect

:57:21.:57:28.

it. When they asked people who are the most hated politicians in a poll

:57:29.:57:31.

were this week, Michael Gove is off the charts, far above David Cameron

:57:32.:57:47.

or George Osborne. This is tit-for-tat war. The Liberal

:57:48.:57:50.

Democrats believe Michael Gove had a hand in leaking the document that

:57:51.:57:54.

showed Nick Clegg was opposing the tougher Chris Grayling position on

:57:55.:57:58.

knife crime. They are saying there were Cabinet ministers who never

:57:59.:58:03.

usually attend the sub Cabinet meeting, they turned up and the

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document is leaked so what we are getting is tit for tat on that. It

:58:09.:58:12.

is inevitable but it is not good for either side of the Coalition. Voters

:58:13.:58:17.

will look at it and say it is politics of the playground. I read

:58:18.:58:23.

in the Mail on Sunday this morning that some Tory insiders are accusing

:58:24.:58:33.

Lib Dems of spreading rumours about the camera in marriage. The

:58:34.:58:38.

rebuttals of education story is that the free school meals is sucking

:58:39.:58:51.

money away. I always thought they would work together without fuss and

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yet it has been more the source of disagreement then I would have

:58:58.:59:02.

expected a couple of years ago. Is it serious? It is serious obviously,

:59:03.:59:07.

using that language, but is it fatal for the Coalition? I think it is a

:59:08.:59:12.

road bump because I don't think anybody wants to dissolve the

:59:13.:59:17.

Coalition. It is a challenge for Labour because where do they stand

:59:18.:59:21.

on the free schools? They invented the Academy programme so it is

:59:22.:59:25.

difficult for them to take a hands-off approach at this stage.

:59:26.:59:28.

There was a danger for Michael Gove that he looks ideological but the

:59:29.:59:32.

danger for the Liberal Democrats is that they are breaking the rules for

:59:33.:59:35.

the Coalition they said that they wouldn't break which is that they

:59:36.:59:39.

looked like opposition in government. Is Michael Gove's

:59:40.:59:47.

position safe? Very safe. If he moves in a reshuffle that will be to

:59:48.:59:55.

a a job. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will be back on BBC

:59:56.:59:58.

Two at lunchtime from Tuesday onwards. I'll be back here on BBC

:59:59.:00:01.

One at 11am next week. Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday

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Politics. What if the person

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that killed her... I found out she'd been taking drugs.

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Just let me explain. You wasn't at that party all night.

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Yeah, I was. What was she even doing there?

:00:57.:00:59.

Oi, you keep your mouth shut. She was exchanging a significant

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number of texts and calls with someone in the weeks

:01:03.:01:04.

leading up to her death. It's like we didn't

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really know her at all.

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