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It's Sunday Morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
The Chancellor says that to embark on a spending spree | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
in Wednesday's Budget would be "reckless". | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
But will there be more money for social care and to ease | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
The UK terror threat is currently severe, | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
but where is that threat coming from? | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
We have the detailed picture from a vast new study of every | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
Islamist related terrorist offence committed over the last two decades. | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
What can we learn from these offences to thwart future attacks? | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
The government was defeated in the Lords on its | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
In the West - police cuts. of Commons what he'll do if peers | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
Our forces budgets have been squeezed for years, | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
but is the thin blue line now too thin? | :01:22. | :01:36. | |
All that coming up in the next hour and a quarter. | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
Now, some of you might have read that intruders managed | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
to get into the BBC news studios this weekend. | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
Well three of them appear not to have been ejected yet, | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
so we might as well make use of them as our political panel. | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
Tom Newton Dunn, Isabel Oakeshott and Steve Richards. | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
They'll be tweeting throughout the programme. | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
Philip Hammond will deliver his second financial | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
statement as Chancellor and the last Spring Budget | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
for a while at least - they are moving to the Autumn | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
There's been pressure on him to find more money | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
for the Health Service, social care, schools funding, | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
But this morning the Chancellor insisted that he will not be | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
using the proceeds of better than expected tax receipts to embark | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
What is being speculated on is whether we might not have borrowed | :02:25. | :02:35. | |
quite as much as we were forecast to borrow. You will see the numbers on | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
Wednesday. But if your bank increases your credit card limit, I | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
do not think you feel obliged to go out and spent every last penny of it | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
He is moving the budget to the autumn, he told us that in his | :02:49. | :03:00. | |
statement, so maybe on Wednesday it will be like a spring statement | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
rather than a full-blown budget. Tinkering pre-Brexit and in November | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
he will have a more clear idea of the impact of Brexit and I suspect | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
that will be the bigger event than this one. It looks as if there will | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
be a bit of money here and there, small amounts, not enough in my | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
view, for social care and so on, possibly a review of social care | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
policy. A familiar device which rarely get anywhere. I think he has | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
got a bit more space to do more if he wanted to do now because of the | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
politics. They are miles ahead in the polls, so he could do more, but | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
it is not in his character, he is cautious. So he keeps his powder dry | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
on most things, he does some things, but he keeps it dry until November. | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
But also, as Steve says, he will know just how strong the economy has | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
been this year by November and whether he needs to do some pump | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
priming or whether everything is fine. He said it is too early to | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
make those sorts of judgments now. What is striking is the amount of | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
concern there is an Number ten and in the Treasury about the tone of | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
this budget, so less about the actual figures and more about what | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
message this is sending out to the rest of the world. I think some | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
senior MPs are calling it a kind of treading water budget and Phil | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
Hammond has got quite a difficult act to perform because he is | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
instinctively rather cautious, or very cautious, and instinctively | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
slightly gloomy about Brexit. He wanted to remain. But he does not | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
want this budget to sounded downbeat and he will be mauled if he makes it | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
sound downbeat, so he has to inject a little bit of optimism and we may | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
see that in the infrastructure spending plans. He has got some room | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
to manoeuvre. The deficit by the financial year ending in April we | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
now know will not be as big as the OBR told us only three and a half | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
months ago that it would be. They added 12 billion on and they may | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
take most of that off again. He is under pressure from his own side to | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
do something on social care and business rates and I bet some Tory | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
backbenchers would not mind a little bit more money for the NHS as well. | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
He is on a huge pressure to do a whole lot on a whole load, not just | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
social care. There is also how on earth do we pay for so many old | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
people? There is the NHS, defence spending, everything. But his words | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
this morning, which is I am not going to spend potentially an extra | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
30 billion I might have by 2020 because of improved economic growth | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
was interesting. You need to hold something back because Brexit might | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
go back and he was a bit of a remain campaign person. If you think | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
Britain is going to curl up into a corner and hideaway licking its | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
wounds, you have got another think coming. That 30 billion he might | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
have extra in his pocket could be worth deploying on building up | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
Britain with huge tax cuts in case there is no deal, a war chest if you | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
like. He will have more than 27 billion. He may decide 27 billion in | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
the statement, the margin by which he tries to get the structural | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
deficit down, he will still have 27 billion. If the receipts are better | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
than they are forecast, some people are saying he will have a war chest | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
of 60 billion. That money, as Mr Osborne found out, can disappear. He | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
clearly is planning not to go on a spending spree this Wednesday. It is | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
interesting in the FTB and the day, David Laws who was chief Secretary | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
for five minutes, was also enthusiastic about the original | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
George Osborne austerity programme and he said, we have reached the | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
limits to what is socially possible with this and a consensus is | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
beginning to emerge that he will have to spend more money than he | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
plans to this Wednesday. This is not just from Labour MPs, but from a lot | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
of Conservative MPs as well. People will wonder when this austerity will | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
end because it seems to be going on for ever. We will have more on the | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
budget later in the programme. Now, the government was defeated | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
last week in the House of Lords. Peers amended the bill that | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
will allow Theresa May to trigger Brexit to guarantee the rights of EU | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
nationals currently in the UK. The government says it will remove | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
the amendment when the bill returns But today a report from | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
the Common's Brexit committee also calls for the Government to make | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
a unilateral decision to safeguard the rights of EU | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
nationals living here. If the worst happened, | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
are we actually going to say to 3 million Europeans here, | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
who are nurses, doctors, serving us tea and coffee in restaurants, | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
giving lectures at Leeds University, picking and processing vegetables, | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
"Right, off you go"? No, of course we are not | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
going to say that. So, why not end the | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
uncertainty for them now? will help to create the climate | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
which will ensure everyone gets to say because that's | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
what all of us want. That is why we have unanimously | :08:26. | :08:35. | |
agreed this recommendation that the government should make unilateral | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
decision to say to EU citizens here, yes, you can stay, because we think | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
that is the right and fair thing to do. | :08:45. | :08:45. | |
And we're joined now from Buckinghamshire by the leader | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
of the House of Commons, David Lidington. | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Welcome back to the programme. The House of Lords has amended the | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
Article 50 bill to allow the unilateral acceptance of EU | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
nationals' right to remain in the UK. Is it still the government was | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
my intention to remove that amendment in the comments? We have | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
always been clear that we think this bill is very straightforward, it | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
does nothing else except give the Prime Minister the authority that | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
the courts insist upon to start the Article 50 process of negotiating | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
with the other 27 EU countries. On the particular issue of EU citizens | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
here and British citizens overseas, the PM did suggest that the December | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
European summit last year that we do a pre-negotiation agreement on this. | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
That was not acceptable to all of the other 27 because they took the | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
view that you cannot have any kind of negotiation and to Article 50 has | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
been triggered. That is where we are. I hope with goodwill and | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
national self interest on all sides we can tackle this is right that the | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
start of those negotiations. But it is not just the Lords. We have now | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
got the cross-party Commons Brexit committee saying you should now make | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
the unilateral decision to safeguard the rights of EU nationals in the | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
UK. Even Michael go, Peter Lilley, John Whittington, agree. So why are | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
you so stubborn on this issue? I think this is a complex issue that | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
goes beyond the rise of presidents, but about things like the rights of | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
access to health care, to pension ratings and benefits and so on... | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
But you could settle back. It is also, Andrew, because you have got | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
to look at it from the point of view of the British citizens, well over 1 | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
million living elsewhere in Europe. If we make the unilateral gesture, | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
it might make us feel good for Britain and it would help in the | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
short term those EU citizens who are here, but you have got those British | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
citizens overseas who would then be potential bargaining chips in the | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
hands of any of the 27 other governments. We do not know who will | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
be in office during the negotiations and they may have completely | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
extraneous reasons to hold up the agreement on the rights of British | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
citizens. The sensible way to deal with this is 28 mature democracies | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
getting around the table starting the negotiations and to agree to | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
something that is fair to all sides and is reciprocal. What countries | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
might take on UK nationals living in the EU? What countries are you | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
frightened of? The one thing that I know from my own experience in the | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
past of being involved in European negotiations is that issues come up | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
that maybe have nothing to do with British nationals, but another issue | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
that matters a huge amount to a particular government, it may not be | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
a government yet in office, and they decide we can get something out of | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
this, so let's hold up the agreement on British citizens until the | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
British move in the direction we want on issue X. I hope it does not | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
come to that. I think the messages I have had from EU ambassadors in | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
London and from those it my former Europe colleague ministers is that | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
we want this to be a done deal as quickly as possible. That is the | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
British Government's very clear intention. We hope that we can get a | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
reciprocal deal agreed before the Article 50 process. That was not | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
possible. I understand that, you have said that already. But even if | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
there is no reciprocal deal being done, is it really credible that EU | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
nationals already here would lose their right to live and work and | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
face deportation? You know that is not credible, that will not happen. | :13:02. | :13:09. | |
We have already under our own system law whereby some people who have | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
been lawfully resident and working here for five years can apply for | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
permanent residency, but it is not just about residents. It is about | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
whether residency carries with it certain rights of access to health | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
care. I understand that, but have made this point. But the point is | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
the right to live and work here that worries them at the moment. The Home | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
Secretary has said there can be no change in their status without a | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
vote in parliament. Could you ever imagine the British Parliament | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
voting to remove their right to live and work here? I think the British | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
Parliament will want to be very fair to EU citizens, as Hilary Benn and | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
others rightly say they have been overwhelmingly been here working | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
hard and paying taxes and contributing to our society. They | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
were equally want to make sure there is a fair deal for our own citizens, | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
more than a million, elsewhere in Europe. You cannot disentangle the | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
issue of residence from those things that go with residents. Is the | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
Article 50 timetabled to be triggered before the end of this | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
month, is it threatened by these amendments in the Lords? I sincerely | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
hope not because the House of Lords is a perfectly respectable | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
constitutional role to look again at bills sent up by the House of | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
commons. But they also have understood traditionally that as an | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
unelected house they have to give primacy to the elected Commons at | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
the end of the day. In this case it is not just the elected Commons that | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
sent the bill to be amended, but the referendum that lies behind that. It | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
is not possible? We are confident we can get Article 50 triggered by the | :15:08. | :15:08. | |
end of the month. One of the other Lords amendments | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
will be to have a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal when it is done at | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
the end of the process, what is your view on that? What would you | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
understand by a meaningful vote? The Government has already said there is | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
going to be a meaningful vote at the end of the process. What do you mean | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
by a meaningful vote? The parliament will get the opportunity to vote on | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
the deal before it finishes the EU level process of going to | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
consideration by the European Parliament. Parliament will be given | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
a choice, as I understand, for either a vote for the deal you have | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
negotiated or we leave on WTO rules and crash out anyway, is that what | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
you mean by a meaningful choice? Parliament will get the choice to | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
vote on the deal, but I think you have put your finger on the problem | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
with trying to write something into the bill because any idea that the | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
PM's freedom to negotiate is limited, any idea that if the EU 27 | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
were to play hardball, that somehow that means parliament would take | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
fright, reverse the referendum verdict and set aside the views of | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
the British people, that would almost guarantee that it would be | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
much more difficult to get the sort of ambitious mutually beneficial | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
deal for us and the EU 27. Your idea of a meaningful vote in parliament | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
is the choices either to vote to accept this deal or we leave anyway, | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
that is your idea of a meaningful vote. The Article 50 process is | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
straightforward. There is the position of both parties in the | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
recent Supreme Court case that the Article 50 process once triggered is | :17:04. | :17:12. | |
irrevocable. That is in the EU Treaty already but we are saying | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
very clearly that Parliament will get that right to debate and vote. I | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
think the problem with what some in the House of Lords are proposing, I | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
hope it is not a majority, is that the amendments they would seek to | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
insert would tie the Prime Minister's hands, limit and | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
negotiating freedom and put her in a more difficult position to negotiate | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
on behalf of this country than should be the case. One year ago you | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
said it could take six to eight years to agree a free-trade deal | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
with the EU. Now you think you can do it in two, what's changed your | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
mind? There is a very strong passionate supporter of Remain, as | :17:55. | :18:08. | |
you know. I hope very much we are able to conclude not just the terms | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
of the exit deal but the agreement that we are seeking on the long-term | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
trade relationship... I understand that, but I'm trying to work out, | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
what makes you think you can do it in two years when only a year ago | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
you said it would take up to wait? The referendum clearly makes a big | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
difference, and I think that there is an understanding amongst real the | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
other 27 governments now that it is in everybody's interests to sort | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
this shared challenge out of negotiating a new relationship | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
between the EU 27 and the UK because European countries, those in and | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
those who will be out of the EU, share the need to face up to massive | :18:56. | :19:04. | |
challenges like terrorism and technological change. All of that | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
was pretty obvious one year ago but we will see what happens. Thank you, | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
David Lidington. Now, the Sunday Politics has had | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
sight of a major new report The thousand-page study, | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
which researchers say is the most comprehensive ever produced, | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
analyses all 269 Islamist telated terrorist offences | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
committed between 1998-2015. Most planned attacks were, | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
thankfully, thwarted, but what can we learn | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
from those offences? For the police and the intelligence | :19:32. | :19:32. | |
agencies to fight terror, Researchers at the security think | :19:33. | :19:42. | |
tank The Henry Jackson Society gave us early access to their huge | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
new report which analyses every Islamism related attack | :19:50. | :19:59. | |
and prosecution in the UK since 1998, that's 269 cases | :20:00. | :20:01. | |
involving 253 perpetrators. With issues as sensitive | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
as counterterrorism and counter radicalisation, it is really | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
important to have an evidence base from which you draw | :20:09. | :20:10. | |
policy and policing, This isn't my opinion, | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
this the facts. This chart shows the number | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
of cases each year combined with a small number | :20:18. | :20:19. | |
of successful suicide attacks. Notice the peak in the middle | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
of the last decade around the time of the 7/7 bombings | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
in London in 2005. Offences tailed off, | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
before rising again from 2010, when a three-year period accounted | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
for a third of all the terrorism cases since the researchers | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
started counting. What we are seeing is a combination | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
of both more offending, in terms of the threat increasing, | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
we know that from the security services and police statements, | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
but also I believe we are getting more efficient in terms | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
of our policing and we are actually A third of people were found to have | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
facilitated terrorism, that's providing encouragement, | :20:54. | :21:02. | |
documents, money. About 18% of people | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
were aspirational terrorists, 12% of convictions were related | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
to travel, to training And 37% of people were convicted | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
of planning attacks, although the methods have | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
changed over time. Five or six years ago, | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
we saw lots of people planning or attempting pipe bombs and most | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
of the time they had Inspire magazine in their possession, | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
that's a magazine, an Al-Qaeda English-language online | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
magazine that had specific More recently we have seen | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
Islamic State encouraging people to engage in lower tech knife | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
beheading, stabbings attacks and I think that's why we have | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
seen that more recently. Shasta Khan plotted with her | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
husband to bomb the Jewish In 2012 she received | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
an eight-year prison sentence. She's one of an increasing | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
number of women convicted of an Islamism related offence | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
although it is still overwhelmingly a crime carried out | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
by men in their 20s. Despite fears of foreign terrorists, | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
a report says the vast Most have their home in London, | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
around 43% of them. 18% lived in the West Midlands, | :22:12. | :22:20. | |
particularly in Birmingham, and the north-west is another | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
hotspot with around 10% Richard Dart lived in Weymouth | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
and tried to attend a terrorist He was a convert to Islam, as were | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
60% of the people in this report. He was a convert to Islam, as were | :22:33. | :22:41. | |
16% of the people in this report. Like the majority of cases, | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
he had a family, network. What's particularly interesting | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
is how different each story is in many ways, | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
but then within those differences So your angry young men, | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
in the one sense inspired to travel, seek training and combat experience | :22:54. | :23:02. | |
abroad, and then the older, recruiter father-figure types, | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
the fundraising facilitator types. There are types within | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
this terrorism picture, but the range of backgrounds | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
and experiences is huge. And three quarters of those | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
convicted of Islamist terrorism were on the radar of the authorities | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
because they had a previous criminal record, they had | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
made their extremism public, or because MI5 had them | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
under surveillance. To discuss the findings of this | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
report are the former Security Minister Pauline Neville-Jones, | :23:34. | :23:41. | |
Talha Ahmad from the Muslim Council of Britain, and Adam Deen | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
from the anti-extremist group The report finds the most segregated | :23:44. | :23:58. | |
Muslim community is, the more likely it is to incubate Islamist | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
terrorists, what is the MCB doing to encourage more integrated | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
communities? Its track record on calling for reaching out to the | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
wider society and having a more integrated and cohesive society I | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
think is a pretty strong one, so one thing we are doing for example very | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
recently I've seen we had this visit my mosque initiative, the idea was | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
that mosques become open to inviting people of other faiths and their | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
neighbours to come so we were encouraged to see so many | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
participating. It is one step forward. Is it a good thing or a bad | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
thing that in a number of Muslim communities, the Muslim population | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
is over 60% of the community? I personally and the council would | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
prefer to have more mixed communities but one of the reason | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
they are heavily concentrated is not so much because they prefer to but | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
often because the socio- economic reality forces them to. But you | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
would like to see less segregation? Absolutely, we would prefer more | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
diverse communities around the country. What is your reaction to | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
that? Will need more diverse communities but one of the | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
challenges we have right now with certain organisations is this | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
pushback against the Government, with its attempts to help young | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
Muslims not go down this journey of extremism. One of those things is | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
the Prevent strategy and we often hear organisations like the MCB | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
attacking the strategy which is counter-productive. What do you say | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
to that? Do we support the Government have initiatives to | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
counteract terrorism, of course we do. Do you support the Prevent | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
strategy? We don't because it scapegoats an entire community. The | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
report shows that contrary to a lot of lone wolf theories and people | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
being radicalised in their bedrooms on the Internet that 80% of those | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
convicted had connections with the extremist groups. Indeed 25% willing | :26:03. | :26:22. | |
to Al-Muhajiroun. I think this report, which is a thorough piece of | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
work, charts a long period and it is probably true to say that in the | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
earlier stages these organisations were very important, of course | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
subsequently we have had direct recruiting by IS one to one over the | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
Internet so we have a mixed picture of how people are recruited but | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
there's no doubt these organisations are recruiting sergeants. You were | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
once a member of one of these organisations, are we doing enough | :26:51. | :26:59. | |
to thwart them? If we just focus on these organisations, we will fail. | :27:00. | :27:08. | |
We -- the question is are we doing enough to neutralise them? The | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
Government strategy is in the right place, but where we need to focus on | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
is the Muslim community or communities. The Muslim community | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
must realise that these violent extremists are fringe but they share | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
ideas, a broad spectrum of ideas that penetrate deeply within Muslim | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
communities and we need to tackle those ideas because that is where it | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
all begins. Are you in favour of banning groups like Al-Muhajiroun? | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
Yes, it was the right thing to do and I can tell you the community has | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
moved a long way, Al-Muhajiroun does not have support. Do you agree with | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
that? Yes, but it is very simplistic attacking Al-Muhajiroun. ISIS didn't | :27:55. | :28:02. | |
bring about extremism, extremism brought about ISIS, ISIS is just the | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
brand and if we don't deal with the ideological ideas we will have other | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
organisations popping up. The report suggests that almost a quarter of | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
Islamist the latest offences were committed by individuals previous | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
unknown to the security services. And this is on the rise, these | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
numbers. This would seem to make an already difficult task for our | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
intelligence services almost impossible. Two points. It is over | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
80% I think were known, but it shows the intelligence services and police | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
have got their eyes open. But the trend has been towards more not on | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
the radar. That has been because the nature of the recruitment has also | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
changed and you have much more ISIS inspired go out and do it yourself, | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
get a knife, do something simple, so we have fewer of the big | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
spectaculars that ISIS organised. Now you have got locally organised | :29:09. | :29:17. | |
people, two or three people get together, do something together, | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
very much harder actually to get forewarning of that. That is where | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
intelligence inside the community, the community coming to the police | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
say I'm worried about my friend, this is how you get ahead of that | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
kind of attack. Should people in the Muslim community who are worried | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
about individuals being radicalised, perhaps going down the terrorist | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
route, should they bring in the police? Absolutely and we have been | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
consistent on telling the community that wherever they suspect someone | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
has been involved in terrorism or any kind of criminal activity, they | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
should call the police and cooperate. As the so-called | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
caliphate collapses in the Middle East, how worried should we be about | :30:10. | :30:10. | |
fighters returning here? Extremely worried. They fall into | :30:11. | :30:24. | |
three categories. You have ones who are disillusioned about Islamic | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
State. You have ones who are disturbed, and then you have the | :30:29. | :30:30. | |
dangerous who have not disavowed their ideas and who will have great | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
reasons to perform attacks. What do we do? Anyone who comes back, there | :30:37. | :30:43. | |
should be evidence looked into if they committed any crimes. But all | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
those categories should all be be radicalised. You cannot leave them | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
alone. Will we be sure if we know when they come back? That is | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
difficult to say. They could come in and we might not know. There is a | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
watch list so you have got a better chance. And you can identify them? | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
This is where working with other countries is absolutely crucial and | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
our border controls need to be good as well. I am not saying and the | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
government is not saying that anyone would ever slip through, but it is | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
our ability to know when somebody is coming through and to stop them at | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
the border has improved. An important question. Given your | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
experience, how prepared are away for a Paris style attack in a | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
medium-size, provincial city? The government has exercised this one. | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
It started when I was security minister and it has been taken | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
seriously. The single biggest challenge that the police and the | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
Army says will be one of those mobile, roving attacks. You have to | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
take it seriously and the government does. All right, we will leave it | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
Now, Brexit may have swept austerity from the front pages, | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
but the deficit hasn't gone away and the government is still | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
Just this week Whitehall announced that government departments have | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
been told to find another ?3.5bn worth of savings by 2020. | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
Last November the Independent office for Budget Responsibility | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
said the budget deficit would be ?68 billion in the current | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
It would still be ?17 billion by 2021-22. | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
On Wednesday the Chancellor is expected to announce | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
that the 2016-17 deficit has come in much lower than the OBR forecast. | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
Even so, the government is still aiming for the lowest level | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
of public spending as a percentage of national income since 2003-4, | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
coupled with an increase in the tax burden to its highest | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
So spending cuts will continue with reductions in day-to-day | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
government spending accelerating, producing a real terms cut of over | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
But capital spending, investment on infrastructure | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
like roads, hospitals, housing, is projected to grow, | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
producing a 16 billion real terms increase by 2021-22. | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
The Chancellor's task on Wednesday is to keep these fiscal targets | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
while finding some more money for areas under serious | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
pressure such as the NHS, social care and business rates. | :33:22. | :33:28. | |
We're joined now by Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
Welcome back to the programme. In last March's budget the OBR | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
predicted just over 2% economic growth for this year. By the Autumn | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
Statement in the wake of the Brexit vote it downgraded back to 1.4%. It | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
is now expected to revise that back around to 2% as the Bank of England | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
has again. It is speculated on the future. It looks like we will get a | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
growth forecast for this year not very different from where it was a | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
year ago. What the bank did was upgrade its forecast for the next | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
year or so, but not change very much. It was thinking about three or | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
four years' time, which is what really matters. It looked like the | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
OBR made a mistake in downgrading the growth in the Autumn Statement | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
three months ago. It was more optimistic than nearly all the other | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
forecasters and the Bank of England. It was wrong, but not as wrong as | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
everybody else. We don't know, but if it significantly upgraded its | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
growth forecast for the next three or four years, I would be surprised. | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
It also added 12 billion to the deficit for the current financial | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
year in the Autumn Statement, compared with March. It looks like | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
that deficit will probably be cut again by about 12 billion compared | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
to the last OBR forecast. It is quite difficult to make economic | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
policy on the basis of changes of that skill every couple of months. | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
That is one of the problems about having these two economic event so | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
close together. My guess is the number will come out somewhere | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
between the budget and the Autumn Statement numbers. There was a nice | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
surprise for the Chancellor last month which looked like tax revenues | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
were coming in a lot more strongly than he expected. But again the real | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
question is how much is this making a difference in the medium run? Is | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
this a one-off thing all good news for the next several years? If | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
growth and revenues are stronger, perhaps not as strong as the good | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
news last month, but if they are stronger than had been forecast in | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
the Autumn Statement, what does that mean for planned spending cuts? It | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
probably does not mean very much. Let's not forget the best possible | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
outcome of this budget will be that for the next couple of years things | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
look no worse than they did a year ago and in four years out they will | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
still look a bit worse, and in addition Philip Hammond did increase | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
his spending plans in November. However good the numbers look in a | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
couple of days' time, we will still be borrowing at least 20 billion | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
more by 2020 than we were forecasting a year ago. Still quite | :36:21. | :36:27. | |
constrained. George Osborne wanted to get us to budget surplus by 2019. | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
That has gone. Philip Hammond is quite happy with a big deficit and | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
is not interested in that. But what he is thinking to a large extent, as | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
you have made clear, there is a lot of uncertainty about the economic | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
reaction over the next three or four years. He says he wants some | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
headroom. If things go wrong, I do not want to announce more spending | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
cuts or more tax rises to keep the deficit down. I want to say things | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
have gone wrong for now and we will borrow. And I have got some money in | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
the kitty. He will not spend a lot of it now. I understand the | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
Chancellor is worried about the erosion of the tax base and it is | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
hard to put VAT up by more than 20%, millions have been taken out of | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
income tax, only 46% of people pay income tax, fuel duty is frozen for | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
ever, corporation tax has been cut, the growth in self-employed has | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
reduced revenues, is that a real concern? These are all worries for | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
him. We have as you said in the introduction to this, got a tax | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
burden which is rising very gradually, but it is rising to its | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
highest level since the mid-19 80s, but is not doing it through | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
straightforward increases to income tax. Lots of bits of pieces of | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
insurance premium tax is here and the apprenticeship levied there, and | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
that is higher personal allowance of income tax and a freeze fuel duty, | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
but at some point we will have to look at the tax system as a whole | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
and ask if we can carry on like this. We will have to start increase | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
fuel duties again, or look to those big but unpopular taxes to really | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
keep that money coming in to keep the challenges we will have over the | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
next 30 years. He is going to set up a commission on social care. He has | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
had quite a few commissions on social care. Thank you for being | :38:37. | :38:37. | |
with us. It's just gone 11.35, | :38:38. | :38:39. | |
you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
in Scotland who leave us now Hello and welcome to The Sunday | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
Politics in the glorious West. We were promised a big cut in red | :38:45. | :38:55. | |
tape, but will leaving the EU really To debate that and so much | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
more our three guests are Conservative MP James Gray, | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
Labour's Thangam Debbonaire and the Avon and Somerset Police | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
and Crime Commissioner, We'll hear from them in a moment. | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
Good morning to you all. First, police forces have | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
taken their share of cuts over the last seven years and for much | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
of that time crime kept going down. But recently burglary has started | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
rising again in Avon So are police cuts | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
making us less safe? Our Home Affairs | :39:30. | :39:39. | |
correspondent reports. We have been up here doing revisits | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
on burglary victims today. Out on the beat, this is real | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
neighbourhood policing, the kind the public say | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
they want to see more of. PC Kye Hendy and PSCO | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
Charlotte Thompson are responding to another report of | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
a burglary overnight. It started in Horfield | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
from last November. We were seeing an increase in garage | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
and shed breaks for high value bicycles and it spread over | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
to Lockleaze and surrounding They're determined to | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
catch their man or woman All services are having to do more | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
with less, but burglary But it is also about | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
the public helping us. So taking a bit of responsibility | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
for themselves and also to make Even if you try the odd front door | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
they are always open. It is a polite reminder to everyone | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
to review their own security. Avon and Somerset have seen a 36% | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
increase in burglaries since 2014. Wiltshire have seen | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
an increase - up by 23%. But in Gloucestershire, | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
the figures are down by 10%. An increase in crimes puts pressure | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
on local teams like these. All our forces say they are feeling | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
the pressure of years The thin blue line is being | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
stretched ever further. Here in Avon and Somerset | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
20% of their budget has They have fewer frontline officers | :41:03. | :41:04. | |
than other similar forces because of the way funding | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
is shared out. Wiltshire Police also claimed | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
the Government's funding formula is bad for them meaning they can't | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
afford as many police Like in Avon and Somerset, | :41:18. | :41:19. | |
both Wiltshire Police and Gloucestershire Police, | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
have seen real terms In Bristol, Avon and Somerset's most | :41:24. | :41:25. | |
senior detective in charge of burglaries says criminals | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
are resorting to fishing through cat We've seen an increase in car key | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
burglaries where the thieves are targeting the high value cars | :41:37. | :41:46. | |
that on people's driveways. So in the past people would have | :41:47. | :41:48. | |
had their cars stolen Now with the increase | :41:49. | :41:50. | |
in security devices, it's impossible to steal a car | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
unless you've got the keys But what do the cutbacks mean | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
for the victims in these crimes? We have to prioritise | :41:59. | :42:06. | |
that the limited resources that we have got, burglary | :42:07. | :42:08. | |
is a priority, but we have to balance that with other serious | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
crime investigations particularly serious sexual offences, | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
offences against women and children which are also our | :42:14. | :42:15. | |
priorities as well. It has been a long day and whilst | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
many are going home, these two are off to meet another | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
family who have been burgled. I'm the local police officer | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
and this is Charlotte. I understand you've | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
suffered a burglary. Anna stepped out and I was putting | :42:33. | :42:34. | |
Isabel to bed and when I came down, I looked out the back door | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
and my office doors I could see that something | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
had happened outside. I went down and I noticed | :42:41. | :42:49. | |
that my road bike had been stolen. Along with some cash | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
that was on the side It's worrying and it is not very | :42:53. | :42:54. | |
nice knowing that someone has been in your house and stolen things that | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
you've worked hard for to pay for. They're grateful for the police's | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
help and when the public are asked, this kind of policing remains one | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
of their top priorities. Sue, as the commissioner, | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
is burglary one of your priorities? I think looking at all the things, | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
burglary is a priority, but what was said on that piece | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
is local neighbourhood policing So burglary as a crime | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
isn't a priority? The priority is protecting the most | :43:31. | :43:33. | |
vulnerable from harm. Where we've got reduced funding, | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
we have to make sure that we are problem solving | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
and local neighbourhood policing teams is key to that and that's why | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
Andy Marsh the Chief Constable and I are ring-fencing local police | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
teams so that they are. If there was a burglary in a big | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
house with posh people, The police will always go to where | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
the greatest risk of harm is. You haven't got your priorities | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
right because burglary is going up? Burglary had a spike last | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
year and I very publicly was disappointed in how the police | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
were tackling that. But there is a whole range of things | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
about burglary and some of them are really not easy to be able | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
to find solutions to. You have got an overwhelming chance | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
of getting away with it? They are not good enough and I have | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
had that conversation many times with the Chief Constable | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
and there is an added focus But it is not on your website - | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
burglary is one of my priorities. It's protecting the most vulnerable | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
from harm is the priority. James, the so-called party of law | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
and order has seen police funding cut by 22% and thousands of officers | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
taken out of the service. Are you surprised that | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
the police aren't happy? It is not about how much we spend, | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
it is how you spend it and Sue was correct to say | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
it is a question of priorities. In Wiltshire I'm asking a lot | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
of questions about why the police are spending ?1 million occupying 18 | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
police officers full-time investigating whether or not | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
Ted Heath was a paedophile. I don't know if he was or not, | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
and if he was that must be exposed, but 18 police officers, | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
?1 million so far on a man that's I'm not certain that's the right | :45:21. | :45:23. | |
priority and it is not only a question about how much money | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
you spend, but where you spend it Would you be surprised if police | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
chiefs told you we are not as good a service as we used to be | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
because they had a 20% budget cut. Can you imagine spending | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
20% less on anything You look at serious sexual assaults, | :45:41. | :45:42. | |
that's gone up - 180% increase How much of that do you put | :45:43. | :45:54. | |
down to lack of funding? It's to do with the fact | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
that we have fewer police officers. We have a really unfair | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
funding formula. Under Labour domestic abuse has been | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
tackled in a really interesting and smart way which actually brought | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
down domestic homicides in certain parts of the country and that's | :46:14. | :46:15. | |
because we were tackling it by funding refuges and funding | :46:16. | :46:18. | |
rape crisis centres What would you do about tackling | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
burglary which is the focus I'm not happy with the Government's | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
cuts to police funding. I don't think it is safe and I don't | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
think it is appropriate and I don't like the idea of putting, | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
not just the most vulnerable, but also in some circumstances our | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
police officers at risk. What is puzzling is this - | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
the police are explaining No money in social care | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
or not enough we're told, NHS, prisons, education, | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
all and our infrastructure seems to be crumbling and yet, | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
the Government, Mrs May is 16 points ahead in the polls, how | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
can you explain that? What I can do is show | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
you what I have been doing and what my colleagues have been | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
doing and Labour MPs An explanation about why when | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
the infrastructure is crumbling. Labour isn't up there | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
and above the Tories? What we've got to do is focus | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
on exposing what the Government is doing and we have been doing that | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
as well as we possibly can. Labour MPs are fighting really hard | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
and are showing up that the social care funding is not enough | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
and that's creating a perfect storm in the Health Service and we had | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
a debate on that earlier But you have got no explanation why | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
you're so unpopular? I don't enter into discussions | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
about opinion polls. A long time ago I decided that | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
I wasn't going to enter into discussion about opinion polls | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
because I'm not really sure how I'm really unhappy about | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
the result in Copeland. So where is the protection | :47:41. | :47:50. | |
from the public? If the Conservatives are making cuts | :47:51. | :47:52. | |
with impunity, where is your Just this week there | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
was a committee that I was sitting on and James was chairing | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
on which James can't comment. But we tackled the Government on how | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
they were undermining the ban This was being snuck | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
through as a regulatory change quietly, but we attacked them | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
and got some of their MPs Sue, how much more money | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
would you need to make Avon and Somerset the force | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
you would wish it to be? If you look at what happened over | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
the last seven or eight years we've lost over ?110 million | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
because of an unfair So I want the Government to look | :48:29. | :48:30. | |
at a fair and transparent formula which looks at the number of people | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
that are in Avon and Somerset. No, one cake and if you have a fair | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
funding formula which means more money for Bristol, | :48:42. | :48:51. | |
and the west, it means less If that's not more money, | :48:52. | :48:53. | |
what does fair mean? Let's have the money that | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
we've had taken off us so money has been taken to - | :49:01. | :49:11. | |
this is the transition phase. Our money has gone to other forces | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
such as with Cumbria. We need to have the fairer | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
funding formula. We would have another 350 police | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
officers in Avon and Somerset We will have to leave it | :49:20. | :49:21. | |
because we've got other Now headline writers | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
love to describe Brexit as a political earthquake | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
that will shake this country But might it all prove to be | :49:35. | :49:36. | |
more of a tiny tremor? Local billionaire Sir | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
James Dyson thinks so. He brushed off leaving the EU | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
as a minor event before announcing a huge investment | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
into the West's economy. We bought Hullavington Airport which | :49:46. | :49:47. | |
is only a short way down the road. As votes of confidence | :49:48. | :49:58. | |
in Brexit Britain go, On Tuesday, billionaire inventor | :49:59. | :50:00. | |
Sir James Dyson gathered staff in Wiltshire to reveal he would be | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
doubling their numbers He bought the old RAF airfield | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
at Hullavington to work on the technologies of tomorrow, | :50:08. | :50:14. | |
whether it is for electric cars or robots, he wouldn't say, | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
but he was keen to stress leaving It's a comparatively small event | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
in a company's life. There are lots of things like | :50:20. | :50:35. | |
European restrictive trade practises so we have to do for example | :50:36. | :50:37. | |
a special vacuum cleaner for Europe, We do that and we trade | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
and expand our trade with the rest of the world and it would be nice | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
if they could reduce His frustration with red tape | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
follows a legal battle with Europe over labelling laws | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
for vacuum cleaners. It's an issue that causes sparks | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
to fly at the other end Nick Lockstone makes | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
bespoke trailers out He had his own run-in | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
with the EU over the size This name plate was designed | :51:02. | :51:08. | |
to take a three mil stamps. However EU law dictates | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
the minimum size is four mil. So just because the writing | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
was one millimetre... He's also concerned about new safety | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
tests, the individual vehicle assessment comes from | :51:22. | :51:33. | |
a European directive. For him it means taking | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
each new trailer for a safety That's a three hour | :51:36. | :51:37. | |
round trip and a ?75 fee. It's just extra regulations | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
that have to be met. The trailers, all the components | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
we use on the trailers are exactly the same, the brakes, | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
the wheels, the tyres, lightening, couplings, | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
they are all the same except now we have to jump through these extra | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
hurdles to get a little bit of paper He says there are already enough | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
checks to ensure his trailers are road worthy and the extra tests | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
put him off from doing Some hope for a bonfire | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
of red tape after Brexit. The independent think-tank Open | :52:04. | :52:11. | |
Europe put the cost of the 100 most burdensome rules on British business | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
as over ?30 billion a year. The most expensive include the UK | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
renewable energy strategy, the Working Time Directive, | :52:20. | :52:21. | |
and the temporary agency But will leaving the EU lead | :52:22. | :52:23. | |
to less red tape or more? This is a Valentino | :52:24. | :52:39. | |
Rossi balance bike. They make balance bikes for children | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
at this Somerset firm. Much of their business is done | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
on the Continent and they worry that exporting abroad could lead to two | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
sets of rules. One for trade in Britain | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
and another for Europe. If there is going to be UK standards | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
that are different and require additional safety testing then yes, | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
it's going to affect us because we're going to have to go | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
through all the extra cost of testing, all the extra time | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
and bureaucracy that's going to be involved or the certification it's | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
going to have, I would say, His soaring confidence is not | :53:09. | :53:10. | |
shared by everyone then. With just days to go | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
until Brexit negotiations start, and a new future is drawn up | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
for our country. I don't know what he's | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
drawing there, but I'm sure James, we were told that immigration | :53:28. | :53:29. | |
would come down or migration All these things are | :53:30. | :53:37. | |
vanishing, aren't they? We are still in the European Union | :53:38. | :53:47. | |
and we will be for another two years After that time, we in Westminster | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
will decide about red tape and will decide about migration | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
and decide about trade and all these things, | :53:58. | :53:59. | |
we will be the ones that decide and we will be listening | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
to Sir James Dyson and to the others Right now, Europe doesn't | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
listen to them at all. You can decide until you're red | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
in the face, but if you want to sell something to the EU, | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
you will have to abide So it could mean companies will have | :54:15. | :54:16. | |
to abide by the regulations that you've decided in the UK | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
and the regulations they have If you sell something to America, | :54:23. | :54:24. | |
you have American regulations or to Japan or to Australia | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
or India, or anywhere else in the world, | :54:32. | :54:33. | |
of course, you have to sell things in those countries in the way | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
they want to buy it. We will do our best to make | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
sure our regulations But European regulations aren't | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
the same as American Now you're bringing in another one | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
which will be UK regulations? It may or may not be depending | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
on what we in Westminster decide. Well, I mean James | :54:50. | :55:00. | |
has already said it. We're going to have to abide by many | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
different sets of regulations and we do now and that's | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
going to carry on so that's something which actually hasn't | :55:07. | :55:09. | |
changed and it's not changing now as you say and it's not | :55:10. | :55:11. | |
going to change after we leave What's important is Robin mentioned | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
about Working Time Directives, about the renewable energy | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
directive, about the temporary agencies directives, I want to carry | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
on protecting workers. You want workers to carry on having | :55:20. | :55:21. | |
rights if they're temporary workers. I'd alike us to carry on having | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
a renewable energy strategy. I hope that those aren't so-called | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
red tapes that we're chucking away. One person's red tapes is another | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
person's rights and I want Do you accept the fears that | :55:31. | :55:32. | |
were expressed during the campaign Well, as James said, | :55:33. | :55:39. | |
I'm going to agree with James. We haven't actually left | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
the European Union yet. So some of the things that some | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
of us warned may go wrong, they haven't happened | :55:49. | :55:51. | |
because we haven't left. Sir James Dyson says | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
it is a minor event. A lot of his exports don't go | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
to the European Union anyway. He's going to have to carry | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
on meeting different standards. He's going to have to carry | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
on meeting EU standards He says that but there | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
are other exporters In my constituency I have | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
the financial services sector and the creative and the tech sector | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
and the university, all have said they have warned me of terrible | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
problems ahead when we leave From the police point of view, | :56:19. | :56:20. | |
do you have a Brexit opinion, There are two things | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
that concern me. One, that we need the | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
European Arrest Warrant. Really important and that will be | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
part of the negotiations, but criminals don't recognise | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
borders and nor should the police, but the second thing that we have | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
noticed particularly within Avon and Somerset and in Bristol, | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
is the increase in hate crime and that has and we will | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
expect to see... Have you seen concrete evidence | :56:46. | :56:47. | |
of that happening and you can There has been an increase | :56:48. | :56:55. | |
and after the Brexit vote, there was a really big spike | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
and now that has come down, but it hasn't come down | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
to the level that it was before. Parts of the West, 60% for example | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
in Bristol voted for Brexit. And yet this was the city that | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
voted against Brexit? But I think the politicians | :57:10. | :57:20. | |
let the genie out of bottle by making racist | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
comments and I think that has almost given permission for other people | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
to show that against other people. Some did, Sue. | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
Most of us, didn't. Let me just move on to | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
another Brexit point That's the rights of people to live | :57:31. | :57:32. | |
in this country, EU citizens. James, should they be given that | :57:33. | :57:41. | |
assurance straightaway? The thing about the | :57:42. | :57:43. | |
debate in the lords, has been about the Europeans living | :57:44. | :57:45. | |
here. They haven't mentioned | :57:46. | :57:47. | |
the 3.8 million British people What we're saying is let's make this | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
the first thing that we negotiate and we'll find equal rights | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
for the Brits living overseas and the EU and EU | :57:54. | :57:55. | |
citizens living here. Let's not just make it | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
a one-sided deal and give Why don't we get ahead and raise | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
the bar straightaway by saying we are going to guarantee the rights | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
of EU citizens... You're giving away a good | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
negotiating tactic by doing that. Because you're handing away one | :58:10. | :58:11. | |
important negotiating at that There are people in my constituency | :58:12. | :58:22. | |
who come from the European Union you have been here 20 years | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
and who are married, who have got children and got jobs | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
and contribute to Bristol. At the moment they are in | :58:30. | :58:31. | |
terrible uncertainty. There are people from your | :58:32. | :58:33. | |
constituency who are living in Paris We can at least set an example | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
and say to those European citizens who I welcome, | :58:37. | :58:44. | |
who I value, come to see me in tears, I want them | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
to have some certainty. When they came to you in tears, | :58:48. | :58:49. | |
I hope you reassured. That the Labour peers have been | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
standing up for them The first day I held a surgery, | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
I had a considerable number of Europeans who came to see me | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
in the middle of Broadmead who were really scared and they have | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
put their families It's the French and Germans | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
who are holding out They're obviously playing hard ball | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
which may indicate how they're going to play the game later | :59:12. | :59:15. | |
on about Brexit. Why would you accept | :59:16. | :59:17. | |
something if they are not It's called negotiation for a reason | :59:18. | :59:19. | |
and we need to negotiate. That's not negotiating, | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
that's giving? We can't put into our legislation | :59:24. | :59:25. | |
something requiring the French It's about principles | :59:26. | :59:27. | |
and it's about fairness. Well, let's take a look | :59:28. | :59:36. | |
at the political week A millionaire Ukip donor, | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
Aaron Banks, may try to unseat The Bristol businessman | :59:40. | :59:49. | |
has been feuding with He says he will stand against him | :59:50. | :59:51. | |
at the next election. Plans to expand Cribbs Causeway have | :59:52. | :59:58. | |
been called in by the Government. The site has planning permission, | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
but has been criticised by local The Secretary of State | :00:02. | :00:03. | |
will now decide. There has been further pressure | :00:04. | :00:10. | |
to rename Bristol's Colston Hall, more than 1,500 people have signed | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
a petition because Edward Colston The name could change as part | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
of a multi-million pound revamp. And political history | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
was made this week. The first meeting of the body | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
which will eventually be Just make sure you | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
use its full name! It's the West of England | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
Combined Authority. Very catchy, one word answers | :00:35. | :00:49. | |
because we're short of time. The Colston Hall, should | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
it change its name, it The Wills building was tobacco, | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
they changed the name. But Whiteladies Road we're | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
sitting in right now, We need to involve the city in this | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
discussion because the city's memorial and it is the city's | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
decision. You're a whip and | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
there is speculation about whether you're | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
going to keep your job because Are you still going to be in work | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
this time next week? I'm still a whip. | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
Who can predict the future, not me? My thanks to my guests, | :01:20. | :01:28. | |
James Gray, Thangam Debbonaire Please follow us on Twitter | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
for latest political news You can watch the programme | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
again on the iplayer But for now, let's go back | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
to London and Andrew. need Crossrail as well. We will be | :01:42. | :01:50. | |
poring over the entrails of the budget next week. Thank you very | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
much indeed. So the Brexit Bill is back in | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
the Lords next week and the Lib Dems They've ordered pizza and camp beds | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
to encourage their peers to keep talking all night, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
only to be told by the Lord's authorities that their plans fall | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
foul of health and safety laws. Laws that they probably voted for. | :02:11. | :02:22. | |
What did you make of David Liddington's remarks on the Lords | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
amendments, particularly not just the one on EU nationals, but on what | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
is regarded as a meaningful vote at the end of the process? Let's be | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
clear, as ministers like to say, the meaningful vote vote is by far the | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
biggest thing that will happen in Parliament. It puts EU citizens into | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
a tiny corner. It will decide not just who is going to have the final | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
say on this, but who the EU is negotiating with. Is it directly | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
with Theresa May or is it with Parliament? Who will decide the | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
shape of Brexit, Parliament or Theresa May? The Lords amendment is | :03:02. | :03:09. | |
just the first chapter. They have voiced Theresa May to give them a | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
veto on everything she does, and there is a possible chance in the | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
Commons could uphold this amendment. The meaningful vote amendment? The | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
meaningful vote amendment. But is it a meaningful vote if the choice is | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
to either back the deal or crash out of the deal? That is what the remain | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
supporting MPs or hardline people who want to remain fear. What they | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
want is the power to be able to send Theresa May back to the negotiating | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
table. Why is that anathema to many Brexit supporters? They believed it | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
would crucially and critically undermine Theresa May's negotiating | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
hand and also create a long period of uncertainty for business. There | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
is already great uncertainty and this could extend it. The | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
government's position is in there was a proper, meaningful vote which | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
Parliament could reject what was on offer, that would be an incentive to | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
the EU to give us a bad deal? I think that is the fear. If you are | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
saying to the people you are negotiating with that that is | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
another authority and Theresa May will have to go back and have all of | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
this approved, I think it would have a very significant undermining | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
effect on her negotiating hand. Things change from day to day. We | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
are talking about 2019 and 2018 at the earliest, but if the government | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
lost a vote on the Brexit deal, would he not have to call in someone | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
else? That is why the vote will be meaningful even if the amendment on | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
this meaningful vote will be lost. You cannot do a deal on something as | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
historic as Brexit and have Parliament against you. So, whatever | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
form this vote takes, whenever it happens, it will be hugely | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
meaningful. Whatever label that is given and if she lost it she would | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
call a general election. She could not impose it. To call a general | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
election now you need a majority of MPs which she will not have, so | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
maybe she will not get her election after all. It would be very unlike | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Labour not to vote for an election. It would be very unlike Labour not | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
to vote for an election. The elections to Stormont have given | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
a boost to the republicans and put the long term status | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
of Northern Ireland in some doubt. Sinn Fein's leader Gerry Adams | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
spoke to reporters Yesterday was in many, | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
many ways a watershed election, and we have just started a process | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
of reflecting what it all means, but clearly the union's majority | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
in the Assembly has been ended, and the notion of a permanent | :06:01. | :06:15. | |
or a perpetual unionist majority Is he right? Is this a watershed? | :06:16. | :06:28. | |
The nationalist vote in the assembly will now come to 39 and the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
Unionists 38. It is only one member, but it is significant. This is a | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
very serious moment and because of everything else going on with Donald | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Trump and Brexit it is taking a while for people here to realise | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
just how significant this is. Talking to someone who only recently | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
left a significant role in Northern Ireland politics last night, they | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
said they were very worried about what this means. It is likely there | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
will be a call for some kind of international figure to chair the | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
talks to try and see if there is a way of everybody working together. | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
All sides will probably try to extract more money from the | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
Treasury, but it is a very dangerous moment. Should we regard Michelle | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
O'Neill, who has replaced Mr McGuinness as the leader, it is she | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
the First Minister death probably not quite. An interesting thought. | :07:23. | :07:31. | |
Indeed, the daughter of an IRA man, a fascinating concept in itself. But | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
there are are still a large amount of MLAs who will not give Sinn Fein | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
what they need. But what effect does this have on the legacy of the | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
prosecutions and the great witchhunts which the British | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
Government has vowed to end. There is a majority left on the Stormont | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
assembly to end those. But some would keep them going for time | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
continuing, which is a headache for Theresa May. You have now got 27 | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
Sinn Fein members, 28 DUP, then the SDLP bumps up the numbers a little | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
bit. You have got the British Government transfixed with Brexit | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
which has huge implications for the border between North and South in | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Ireland, and the Irish government is pretty wavering as well and if there | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
is an election there, Sinn Fein could do well in the Dublin | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
parliament as well. There are a lot of moving pieces. There are and | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
there is a danger that we look at everything through the prism of | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
Brexit, but I found Friday and this weekend fascinating. Theresa May and | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
Scotland were Nicola Sturgeon is framing Brexit entirely through an | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
argument to have a second referendum on independence which she wants to | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
hold it she possibly can. And the Irish situation with the prospect of | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
a hard border with Northern Ireland voting majority to remain, quite a | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
substantial majority, again a few of the instability at the moment. That | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
We will be keeping an eye on it for sure. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
Yesterday, US President Donald Trump tweeted allegations | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had ordered | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
his phones to be tapped during the election campaign. | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
"Terrible!", Trump wrote, "Just found out that Obama | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
I'm not quite sure what McCarthyism that is. | :09:36. | :09:48. | |
He followed up with a series of tweets comparing it to Watergate. | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
"How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
The sacred election process, I think at one stage he said it was a dodgy | :09:58. | :10:10. | |
election process, but now it is sacred. | :10:11. | :10:11. | |
You are frightened to go to bed at night, you do not know what you are | :10:12. | :10:24. | |
going to wake up to. Completely uncharted territory here. Little | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
more than a month ago at the inauguration they were making the | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
veneer of small talk and politely shaking hands. He saw Barack Obama | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
and Michelle off on the helicopter. You do not know what is coming next. | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
Is there a scintilla of evidence to back up Donald Trump's claims? Yes, | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
there is, although he is very muddled about it all. I will | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
explain. Remember what happened to Mike Flynn, talking to the Russian | :10:56. | :11:08. | |
and Ambassador will stop they were listening. Barack Obama does not | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
sign of warrants, but somebody else did. So why on earth would you not | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
want to listen to the president elect himself in case he might also | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
be breaking the law. Does that sound to you like convincing evidence or | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
just a supposition? I think Tom should go and work for him, that is | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
the most credible interpretation I have heard for a long time. Start | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
tweeting the case for the tweet. What is interesting about this is my | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
theory is he does not really like the idea of being a president. That | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
wild press conference he gave a couple of weeks ago there was one ad | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
lib that did not get repeated which was, I suppose I am a politician | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
now, as if he was humiliated at the idea of being a president. He likes | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
being the businessman with a swagger tweeting around the clock. And | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
campaigning again. He keeps going to what looked like campaign rallies. I | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
disagree with you about him not liking being president. I think he | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
loves the idea of being the president, but the reality is so | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
frustrating on every level, finding he does not have unlimited room for | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
manoeuvre and so many things have been put in place to stop them doing | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
things he would do in the business environment. We have had two more | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
tweets from him this morning, I guess when he woke up. Who was it | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
who secretly said to the Russian president, tell Vladimir that after | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
the election I will have more flexibility? Who was that? Possibly | :12:43. | :12:51. | |
Hillary Clinton. Is it true the Democratic National committee would | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
not allow the FBI access to check server or other equipment after | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
learning it was hacked? Can that be possible? This was all an issue in | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
the campaign. He is now a president. Shall I point out the flaw in Tom's | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
theory. They were not bugging Michael Flynn's phone, it was the | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
Russian Ambassador's telephone they were barking. Mr Neil, I would never | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
contradict you on this programme. But if you suspect there was | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
criminal activity going on, as there was by Michael Flynn, why would you | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
not want to put on a tap? I don't know. That is it for today. | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
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