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It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit - | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin. | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
In the West: election - what could be the impact | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
The signs go up, the leaflets go out and the | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
Did somebody mention a general election? | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
Will the Remain majority punish the Tories for the decision? | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
Or feel they may not like it but the Tories | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap | :01:27. | :01:41. | |
general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly | :01:45. | :01:45. | |
Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is, | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is, | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back | :02:19. | :02:27. | |
to the whole point? Is the objective | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
to start more strikes that may kill many innocent | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
people, as has happened? Do you think killing | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender | :02:39. | :02:47. | |
in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Isis. So you've got to think | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or -- | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident, | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons. | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
going on. So the political parties have had | :06:55. | :06:55. | |
to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses, | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap - | :07:03. | :07:03. | |
Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
into the recycling. Cheap for all the | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage | :08:18. | :08:30. | |
was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over | :08:33. | :08:41. | |
?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912 | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total | :08:45. | :08:58. | |
for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there - | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
election campaigns - for the locals next month | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time? | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies. | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time? | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30 | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this, | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time, | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
and declared. We haven't worked out what to do | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign. | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
because last time it seems it could have been illegal. | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
I am sure the campaign will be legal. | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition? | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems. | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear, | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday? | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up, | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
few weeks when the manifesto was published. | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched... | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that. | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance. | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
always be cases where people have had different views on different | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average, | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so. | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
between now and June Is France now about to make it | :23:37. | :23:37. | |
a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting | :23:50. | :24:09. | |
the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
to anything and only started his own party | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
a few months ago. And the far left in the form | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
traditional governing parties is the centre-right's | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
at generous public expense for a job I've just come across | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood | :25:08. | :25:22. | |
of the French people. It's got the five main candidates | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat, | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue, | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates, | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance | :25:35. | :25:44. | |
of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's | :25:49. | :25:50. | |
going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
two of them may be President But the two of them may not find | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or | :26:03. | :26:14. | |
woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing | :26:15. | :26:28. | |
who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
the more you may be wrong. The country has largely | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed, | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
particular the political elite. And an element of | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
the French election. Identity and security has been | :27:16. | :27:26. | |
as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how | :27:30. | :27:37. | |
to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before | :27:46. | :27:55. | |
voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon | :28:00. | :28:10. | |
will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
would represent an existential Brexit would simply become | :28:34. | :28:42. | |
a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels | :28:43. | :28:51. | |
and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme. | :28:56. | :29:07. | |
Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course, | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years. | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
city. Now, the Green Party currently has | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
people they've been But one crucial way they've been | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
the environment need to be doing All the signs are there | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
and it is young people who are going to be bearing | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
but to young people in particular, I think climate change, | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
the environment, looking after our precious resources, | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme. | :32:56. | :33:09. | |
Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000 | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
country to country and we need European corporation to make that | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country. | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes. | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10 | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning... | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50, | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%? | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system, | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons, | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well. | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
Progressive Alliance is a step towards that. | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
and Northern Ireland who leave us now. | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :38:05. | :38:15. | |
Thank you Andrew - Hello, and welcome to the Sunday Politics | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
We're live here on BBC One - because it's election time! | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
Election campaigns can often be a bumpy ride - | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
but there's one issue that really shakes up the voters. | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
Still waiting for our road improvements. | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
As you know - we're on late today because of the London Marathon. | :38:33. | :38:43. | |
We've got a lot to jog through - so let's meet our competitors today. | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
They are the Conservative MP Michelle Donelan. | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
Max Wilkinson is from the Liberal Democrats | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
The Greens will be joining us later. | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
First - the West Country will see some of the most fascinating battles | :39:09. | :39:20. | |
So, are the parties getting up to speed? | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
I have just chaired a meeting of the Cabinet where the Government | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
decided that we should call a general election. | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
The announcement of a snap election took everyone by surprise, | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
even if they weren't delighted by it. | :39:34. | :39:35. | |
I am not sure I can take it after the referendum | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
It is too much. It's too much, isn't it? | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
But campaigning got under way straightaway. | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was in Bristol on Tuesday night. | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
And think we've got candidates chosen pretty much everywhere. | :39:58. | :39:59. | |
Let's be honest, at the moment, we are in a situation | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
where the people have a great chance to change the direction | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
In Somerset, the Tories immediately started turning their county | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
council campaign into one for the general election. | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
Fortunately, we have had the county council can think up and going. | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
And we will use the same people, same resources | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
We are in a good place to actually launch the national campaign. | :40:20. | :40:26. | |
The Green Party chose Bristol West to launch their national | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
We are confident we have an excellent candidate with that | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
kind of basis to build on so we can win the seat in Bristol West. | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was here on Friday. | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
To win it, to deal with poverty, and a pilot, housing and social | :40:44. | :40:51. | |
injustice in Britain and bringing a minimum wage that means something. | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
Journalists and politicians are trying to sound excited. | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
Not another one. Oh, for God's sake. | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
We've still got more than six weeks left to go. | :41:05. | :41:15. | |
Songs of praise is coming up later, don't worry. What kind of result as | :41:16. | :41:25. | |
you expecting her? I think it is about getting our message out about | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
what we have done over the last two years as local MPs. The choice is | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
stark ear. A strong, stable stark ear. A strong, stable | :41:35. | :41:42. | |
Government and a coalition of chaos propped up by the Liberal Democrats | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
and led by Jeremy Corbyn. In your case, part of the Tory strategy to | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
take the Lib Dems off the face of the map. Can you win the seat again? | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
I will ask my voters to look at what I have done. I have made progress. | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
As visited 150 visitors. -- businesses. I will show my | :42:05. | :42:13. | |
constituents, they will judge me on my record. They will judge me on | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
local and national issues. Like I say, this is a choice between Jeremy | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
Corbyn and Reza made. I will be the local choice. Steve. A proud | :42:25. | :42:33. | |
supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. Seen by some as a hindrance. I am a fan of | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
judging people on policies and not just personality. The policies I | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
support on the council, with support from my friends in the Greens and | :42:49. | :42:55. | |
Liberal Democrats, things like affordable housing. In Stroud, it | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
It is not affordable. I think we It is not affordable. I think we | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
need a housing boom. We need to build. I have challenged the | :43:07. | :43:15. | |
occasions on the issue of allowing occasions on the issue of allowing | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
us to build the homes we need. We have a crisis in the NHS, queueing | :43:21. | :43:29. | |
in water. A shortage of GPs. You point out there are problems in the | :43:30. | :43:37. | |
NHS, social care, housing. Why are you not massively ahead in the | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
polls? It bounced from Brexit. I will support us trying to do our | :43:44. | :43:51. | |
best... You should be miles ahead. You are on the same page as the | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
Government and Brexit. In Stroud, we held up our vote and Labour did not | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
lose votes in the last general election. We are now ruling Stroud. | :44:02. | :44:09. | |
That is not the same as ruling Britain. But examples there, in the | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
south of England, Labour policies can be as effective in rural areas. | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
Any chance of a Lib Dem revival? Yes. The county council election and | :44:22. | :44:29. | |
then the general election. We are looking to take votes from Labour | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
and Conservative. That is because the Conservatives are driving a hard | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
Brexit supported by the Labour Party. People know there is a clear | :44:37. | :44:44. | |
choice. If you support the UK's role within the European Union, nobody | :44:45. | :44:52. | |
voted for a hard exit, and you have to vote for the Liberal Democrats | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
this time. Most people in the West Country voted in favour. There are | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
plenty of people who voted to remain in places like Bath, overwhelming. | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
In Cheltenham, overwhelmingly to remain. In Stroud, where I am | :45:09. | :45:18. | |
standing as the Liberal Democrat candidate, people voted to remain. | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
As I said, whether you voted the league and remain, no one voted for | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
the hard Brexit. This rhetoric concerns me. The Lib Dems are | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
pushing for the second referendum. We live in a democracy. If we vote | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
one way, people vote to leave, it needs to be honoured. I am concerned | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
the rhetoric might be anti-democratic. I voted remain. I | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
wanted to stay. I have accepted the vote because of democracy. A lot of | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
my constituents just want to get on with it and get the best deal. | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
Presumably you were against because you thought it would be bad for the | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
country? Looking after the interests of constituents. If I lose on the | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
next election, I am not going to say we need another election. I want the | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
best deal and we should all work together to achieve that. Let's | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
bring in Ukip. People like Michelle Dunster where they stand, they had | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
told how to vote. Remain one week, leave next week. There is no such | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
thing as a hard Brexit. There is a true Brexit. People voted for border | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
controls, taking back the fisheries. I didn't see that on the ballots. | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
When Lord Ashcroft and other people did polls afterwards. They have | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
people why -- asked them why. They said yes, border controls. Hold on a | :46:56. | :47:03. | |
second. They said they wanted to take back controls of the laws, | :47:04. | :47:12. | |
against the ECJ. My worry is Theresa May has called the election to | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
devote the true voice of the Tory party and get people like Michelle | :47:19. | :47:26. | |
to vote how she wants. 51% for 49% against. Half an hour. Wouldn't a | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
reasonable moderate Brexit be happy to do -- writing? One of the ... MPs | :47:33. | :47:46. | |
still go and make our laws. We knew what we would get into. It was leave | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
of remain and people voted league. A true Brexit we need. What is the | :47:53. | :48:02. | |
point of Ukip now? Can we trust the Conservatives? The real opposition | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
without many MPs, now zero, is Ukip. You just have to look at Theresa | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
May, grammar schools came back, that was a Ukip policy. The Tories and | :48:18. | :48:25. | |
the chink well to the right. It is putting people off, the former | :48:26. | :48:34. | |
moderate conservative voters. The terms of departure. It is not a | :48:35. | :48:43. | |
second referendum. It is. This election is supposed to provide | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
certainty. We need to pull together to get the best deal. If Theresa May | :48:47. | :48:56. | |
wins and when this bigly. Is that her mandate for a hard Brexit? We | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
are on about getting the best deal for Britain. The premise that has to | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
go to a negotiating room and get the best deal for Britain. That is not a | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
hard deal or a socket, it is trying to get the deal to support local | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
industry. If asked, you will vote for us not to be in the single | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
market? The Prime Minister said that this week. That is the hard Brexit. | :49:23. | :49:33. | |
We must thank you for coming in because you are going to go and be | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
replaced by the Greens. Before we get... | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
Before we get to the general election, there's the small matter | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
Voters in Somerset, Gloucestershire and Wiltshire go to the polls | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
on May the 4th to choose who will run their | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
We've asked our political reporters to sum up what's at stake. | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
This is County Hall in Trowbridge, the home of the West's | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
It has been dominated by the Conservatives | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
Of the 98 seats in the chamber, the Conservatives have 61, | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
the Liberal Democrats 22, Labour just four, and Ukip, one. | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
The Conservatives are promising more of the same. | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
Saving money by bringing all the services of the town | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
And therefore escaping the worst of the cuts seen in other councils. | :50:25. | :50:33. | |
The Lib Dems are helping to make gains with promises like rescuing | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
Labour and the Greens are fielding a record number of candidates. | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
But Ukip are only standing in a handful of seats | :50:41. | :50:42. | |
But will this be fought on filling the holes in the budget more | :50:43. | :50:50. | |
One candidate has already won their seat. | :50:51. | :51:10. | |
Here in Gloucestershire, it is a conservative run council. | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
Of the 53 seats, the Conservatives have 25, the lead them to 14, | :51:14. | :51:20. | |
All the main parties say they want to improve the roads. | :51:21. | :51:29. | |
But the Tories are also promising better broadband and thousands | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
They believe more seats and overall control | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
Despite spending cuts from Westminster. | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
The Lib Dems said it will lobby the Government | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
And they hope a strong showing in remaining areas like Cheltenham | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
and the Cotswolds will launch a national revival. | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
While Labour want a more compassionate care service | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
But with the party trailing in the polls, their priority will be | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
Meanwhile, Ukip say they will oppose large housing developments | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
and the Greens say they will cancel the Javelin Park incinerator. | :52:06. | :52:15. | |
Here in Somerset, the council is being run by the Conservatives | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
Of the 55 seats, the Conservatives have 31. | :52:22. | :52:30. | |
The Lib Dems are the opposition with 14. | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
The Lib Dems and Tories are both promising funding | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
Children's services have an inadequate Ofsted. | :52:37. | :52:47. | |
The Conservatives hope they can gain seats like promising low council tax | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
The Lib Dems have done well in recent by-elections. | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
They want to take back control of the council. | :52:58. | :52:59. | |
They are promising ?25 million per year for roads, including | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
Labour campaigning to integrate health and social care, | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
and Ukip wants to keep up the Brexit pressure. | :53:06. | :53:07. | |
I want Taunton to feel it is going somewhere. | :53:08. | :53:15. | |
Still waiting for our roads improvements. | :53:16. | :53:16. | |
One thing to look out for on election night - | :53:17. | :53:25. | |
a former MP who is trying to unseat the Conservative | :53:26. | :53:27. | |
Tessa Munt is taking on John Osman in the city of Wells. | :53:28. | :53:39. | |
Exciting stuff. And the Greens are represented. Why have the Greens got | :53:40. | :53:55. | |
so few council seat outside Bristol? It is a big focus for us. We have | :53:56. | :54:04. | |
sold a good message there. You step into the shires, there are very | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
green Tories who have not decided they can vote for the Green Party. | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
We have not traditionally stood many candidates. Talking about funding | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
from local government, the big issue, isn't it the fact the | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
Conservatives have undermined local government continually? And even | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
conservatives and local councils are saying, you cannot do the job with | :54:32. | :54:39. | |
the money given. We are devolving a lot of power over the next few years | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
mobility to find their own services. mobility to find their own services. | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
Devolving the powers but not the money. Business rates give them a | :54:49. | :54:55. | |
revenue stream. Wiltshire, a series of efficiency savings. We have kept | :54:56. | :55:03. | |
libraries, leisure centres, ensuring the key funding goes on the most | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
vulnerable. I am the leader of Stroud District Council. In three | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
years' time, ?500,000 back because of the Mickey Mouse formula as part | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
of the business rates money. We have ran a tight ship. We are going to be | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
penalised for that. Business rates, no one has a clue. No one has a clue | :55:29. | :55:37. | |
how that will work and be balanced and what difference it will make on | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
the ground. I see it as a county council. The roads, number one | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
issue. 80 million pounds to get the roads in Gloucester back to a steady | :55:49. | :55:51. | |
state, that is how far behind we have fallen. If this is what the | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
Conservatives do on the roads, what are they doing to young people and | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
on social care? A lack of investment and falling far behind. The | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
conservative Government introducing a significant amount of money for | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
adult social care. Potholes is a problem including Wiltshire and we | :56:18. | :56:19. | |
are introducing more money year-on-year. You know local gadgets | :56:20. | :56:29. | |
at -- budgets have been cut. It is not a sturdy, it is bringing the | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
budget is down to deal with the deficit. To spend more you have to | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
raise it. Where is the money coming from? Utah about adult social care. | :56:38. | :56:49. | |
The county council only allowing an extra 2%, that will not meet the | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
deficit. Going into more debt is not the answer. What are you going to do | :56:55. | :57:01. | |
about potholes? The Conservatives have been in charge for 12 years and | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
the Conservatives have failed to resurface the roads and fill in the | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
potholes. A contract in, doing it on the cheap and this is because of | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
Government cuts. A Lib Dem Government, you would reverse the | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
cat? The Lib Dems brought in posterity with the Conservatives? | :57:24. | :57:32. | |
I'm not sure -- austerity. I'm not sure that is true. I think the point | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
is where we are now is people have a decision to make any council | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
elections in May. More of the same with the Conservatives in Gloucester | :57:43. | :57:47. | |
County Council and the other ones where they note the roads are worse, | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
health and social care budgets cut. Even services from looking after | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
disabled children are being cut, that is callous. The only way you | :57:58. | :58:04. | |
can stop that is by voting for Liberal Democrat councillors. But | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
the budgets are set by central Government. What could you do? We | :58:09. | :58:16. | |
would lobby for more. I don't think it will be a Labour Government. But | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
Labour and Conservative are the most lightly, you will have to ask for | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
more money? Firstly, you ask. Second, you look to do things | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
better. In Gloucester, the highest-paid Chief Executive across | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
the south-west. At times of cats, a new telephone system. -- cuts. What | :58:37. | :58:54. | |
is your local at offering in the Green Party? Michelle talks about | :58:55. | :59:02. | |
paying down the deficit. It has got bigger. In terms of roads, we need | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
to see all the minor roads more travel above. They are diabolical. A | :59:08. | :59:16. | |
lady died, she broke her neck in a pothole. We want people to get off | :59:17. | :59:23. | |
the main roads, out of their cars and onto bikes. People in power it | :59:24. | :59:29. | |
to make their own decisions. At the moment, everything is far too | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
centralised. That is undermining people feeling they have a part to | :59:34. | :59:44. | |
play. The roads, what else? Social care that actually works. How would | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
that be paid for? We have to reassess the whole budget. These are | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
not set in stone. From what area would you cut to give social care | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
more? It depends in principle about where business rates are raised | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
from. We need to make sure that they rates are proportionate, so the | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
highest would get less so Mark money Inbee Park. -- more money in the | :00:11. | :00:24. | |
overall pot. There is not a pipe in pace -- plan in place by anyone | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
else. That is why the Conservatives can offer the confidence to the | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
electorates and ends the entertaining. The party I am proudly | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
a member of stands on values of equality and fairness. Yes, if it | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
does mean how do we pay for these things, we would consider raising | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
taxes. As part of our annual service, I asked the question every | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
year, our people prepared to pay for more buses and adult social care? | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
Thank you. My thanks to all of my guests. | :01:09. | :01:09. | |
on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you. | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign? | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton? | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there. | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate. | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules. | :03:48. | :03:49. | |
You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4 | :04:26. | :04:36. | |
million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes. | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip | :05:48. | :05:55. | |
has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see, | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view? | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
integration in certain communities has come about through mass | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in? | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe. | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
and your community has been radically changed and you have a | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there. | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
and he was asked again about an issue that he's been | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality. | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin. | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons, | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired | :09:04. | :09:13. | |
Probably, but then why don't you just close it down? | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is | :09:18. | :09:29. | |
leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is | :10:07. | :10:14. | |
your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali. | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian, | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know, | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would | :12:50. | :12:58. | |
have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right. | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
time of 11am on Sunday morning. On BBC One The Daily Politics is back | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
at midday tomorrow and we will be on every day next week on BBC Two. | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics. | :14:06. | :14:34. | |
There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really, | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
all the Ella classics, as well as some very special guests, | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
we have Mica Paris, Imelda May, Dame Cleo Laine | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
'There's a side to Rory that the public doesn't see. | :14:47. | :14:49. |