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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
The local election results made grim reading for Labour. | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
With just a month to go until the general election, | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
will promising to rule out tax rises for all but the well off help | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
The Conservatives have their own announcement on mental health, | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
as they strain every sinew to insist they don't think they've got | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
But is there still really all to play for? | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
And tonight we will find out who is the next | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
President of France - Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le Pen - | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
of England's first ever Metro mayor. ended with a hack attack | :01:16. | :01:25. | |
What can we expect from the new man in the new role? | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
elections but we are looking at the potential impact in marginals next | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
month. If Ukip support continues to evaporate... | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
And joining me for all of that, three journalists ready | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
to analyse the week's politics with all the forensic | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
focus of Diane Abbott preparing for an interview, | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
and all the relaxed, slogan-free banter of Theresa May | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
It's Janan Ganesh, Isabel Oakeshott and Steve Richards. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
So, the Conservatives are promising, if re-elected, to change mental | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
health laws in England and Wales to tackle discrimination, | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
and they're promising 10,000 more staff working in NHS mental health | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
treatment in England by 2020 - although how that's to be | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
Here's Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt speaking | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
There is a lot of new money going into it. | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
In January, we said we were going to put an extra ?1 billion | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
Does this come from other parts of the NHS, or is it | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
No, it is new money going into the NHS | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
It's not just of course money, it's having the people | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
who deliver these jobs, which is why we need | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
Well, we're joined now from Norwich by the Liberal Democrat health | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
This weekend, they've launched their own health announcement, | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
promising a 1% rise on every income tax band to fund the NHS. | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
Do you welcome the Conservatives putting mental health onto the | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
campaign agenda in the way that they have? I welcome it being on the | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
campaign agenda but I do fear that the announcement is built on thin | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
air. You raised the issue at the start about the 10,000 extra staff, | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
and questions surrounding how it would be paid for. There is no | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
additional money on what they have already announced for the NHS. We | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
know it falls massively short on the expectation of the funding gap | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
which, by 2020, is likely to be about 30 billion. That is not | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
disputed now. Anyone outside of the government, wherever you are on the | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
political spectrum, knows the money going in is simply not enough. So, | :03:45. | :03:53. | |
rather like the claim that they would add 5000 GPs to the workforce | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
by 2020, that is not on target. Latest figures show a fall in the | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
number of GPs. They make these claims, but I'm afraid they are | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
without substance, unless they are prepared to put money behind it. | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
Your party's solution to the money problem is to put a 1% percentage | :04:13. | :04:22. | |
point on all of the bands of income tax to raise more money 20-45. Is | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
that unfair? Most pensioners who consume 40% of NHS spending, but | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
over 65s only pay about 20% of income tax. Are you penalising the | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
younger generations for the health care of an older generation? It is | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
the first step in what we are describing as a 5-point recovery | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
plan for the NHS and care system. So, for what is available to us now, | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
it seems to be the fairest way of bringing in extra resources, income | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
tax is progressive, and is based on your ability to pay for your average | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
British worker. It would be ?3 per week which is the cost of less than | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
two cups of coffee per week. In the longer run, we say that by the end | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
of the next Parliament, we would be able to introduce a dedicated NHS | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
and care tax. Based, probably, around a reformed national insurance | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
system, so it becomes a dedicated NHS and care tax. Interestingly, the | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
former permanent secretary of the Treasury, Nick MacPherson, said | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
clearly that this idea merits further consideration which is the | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
first time anyone for the Treasury has bought into the idea of this. | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
Let me ask you this. You say it is a small amount of tax that people on | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
average incomes will have to pay extra. We are talking about people | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
who have seen no real increases to their income since 2007. They have | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
been struggling to stand still in terms of their own pay, but you are | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
going to add to their tax, and as I said earlier, most of the health | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
care money will then go to pensioners whose incomes have risen | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
by 15%. I'm interested in the fairness of this redistribution? | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
Bearing in mind first of all, Andrew, that the raising of the tax | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
threshold that the Liberal Democrats pushed through in the coalition | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
increased the effective pay in your pocket for basic rate taxpayers by | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
about ?1000. We are talking about a tiny fraction of that. I suppose | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
that you do have to ask, all of us in this country need to ask | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
ourselves this question... Are we prepared to pay, in terms of the | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
average worker, about ?3 extra per week to give us a guarantee that | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
when our loved ones need that care, in their hour of need, perhaps | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
suspected cancer, that care will be available for them? I have heard two | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
cases recently brought my attention. An elderly couple, the wife has a | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
very bad hip. They could not allow the weight to continue. She was told | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
that she would need to wait 26 weeks, she was in acute pain. They | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
then deduct paying ?20,000 for private treatment to circumvent | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
waiting time. They hated doing it, because they did not want to jump | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
the queue. But that is what is increasingly happening. Sorry to | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
interrupt, Norman Lamb comedy make very good points but we are short on | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
time today. One final question, it looks like you might have the chance | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
to do any of this, I'm told the best you can hope to do internally is to | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
double the number of seats you have, which would only take you to 18. Do | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
you think that promising to raise people's income tax, even those on | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
average earnings, is a vote winner? I think the people in this country | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
are crying out for politicians to be straight and tenet as it is. At the | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
moment we heading towards a Conservative landslide... -- tell it | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
as it is. But do we want a 1-party state? We are electing a government | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
not only to deal with the crucial Brexit negotiations, but oversee the | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
stewardship of the NHS and funding of our schools, all of these | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
critical issues. We need an effective opposition and with the | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
Labour Party having taken itself off stage, the Liberal Democrats need to | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
provide an effective opposition. Norman Lamb, thank you for joining | :08:34. | :08:34. | |
us this morning. Thank you. Labour and Tories are anxious | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
to stress the general election result is not a foregone conclusion, | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
whatever the polls say. Order you just heard Norman Lamb say | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
there that he thought the Conservatives were heading for a | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
landslide... But did Thursday's dramatic set | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
of local election results in England, Scotland and Wales give | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
us a better idea of how the country Here's Emma Vardy with | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
a behind-the-scenes look at how Good morning, it's seven o'clock | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
on Friday, May 5th... The dawn of another results day. | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
Anticipation hung in the air. Early results from the local | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
elections in England suggest there's been a substantial swing | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
from Labour to the Conservatives. While the pros did their thing, | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
I needed breakfast. Don't tell anyone, but I'm | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
going to pinch a sausage. The overnight counts had delivered | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
successes for the Tories. But with most councils | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
only getting started, there was plenty of action | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
still to come. It's not quite the night | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
of Labour's nightmares. There's enough mixed news | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
in Wales, for example - looks like they're about to hold | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
Cardiff - that they'll try and put But in really simple terms, | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
four weeks from a general election, the Tories are going forward | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
and Labour are going backwards. How does it compare being | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
in here to doing the telly? Huw, how do you prepare yourself | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
for a long day of results, then? We're not even on air yet, | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
as you can see, and already in Tory HQ this morning, | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
there's a kind of, "Oh, I'm scared this will make people | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
think the election's just I think leave it | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
like that - perfect. I want the Laura look. | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
This is really good, isn't it? Usually, we're in here | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
for the Daily Politics. But it's been transformed | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
for the Election Results programme. But hours went by without Ukip | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
winning a single seat. The joke going around | :10:29. | :10:40. | |
Lincolnshire County Council today from the Conservatives | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
is that the Tories have eaten We will rebrand | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
and come back strong. Morale, I think, is inevitably | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
going to take a bit of a tumble. Particularly if Theresa May starts | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
backsliding on Brexit. And then I think we will be | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
totally reinvigorated. There are a lot of good people | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
in Ukip and I wouldn't want to say anything unkind, | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
but we all know it's over. Ukip press officer. | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
Difficult job. Ukip weren't the only ones | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
putting a brave face on it. Labour were experiencing | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
their own disaster day too, losing hundreds of seats | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
and seven councils. If the result is what these | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
results appear to indicate, Can we have a quick word | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
for the Sunday Politics? A quick question for Sunday Politics | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
- how are you feeling? Downhearted or fired up for June? | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
Fired up, absolutely fired up. He's fired up. | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
We're going to go out there... We cannot go on with another | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
five years of this. How's it been for you today? | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
Tiring. It always is, but I love elections, | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
I really enjoy them. Yes, you know, obviously we're | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
disappointed at some of the results, it's been a mixed bag, | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
but some opinion polls and commentators predicted we'd be | :12:01. | :12:02. | |
wiped out - we haven't. As for the Lib Dems, | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
not the resurgence they hoped for, After a dead heat in Northumberland, | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
the control of a whole council came The section of England | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
in which we had elections yesterday was the section of England | :12:19. | :12:27. | |
that was most likely to vote Leave. When you go to sleep at night, | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
do you just have election results The answer is if that's still | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
happening, I don't get to sleep. There we go. | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
Maybe practice some yoga... Thank you very much | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
but I have one here. With the introduction | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
of six regional mayors, Labour's Andy Burnham | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
became Mr Manchester. But by the time Corbyn came | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
to celebrate, the new mayor We want you to stay for a second | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
because I've got some I used to present news, | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
as you probably know. I used to present BBC | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
Breakfast in the morning. The SNP had notable successes, | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
ending 40 years of Labour What did you prefer - | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
presenting or politics? And it certainly had been a hard day | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
at the office for some. Ukip's foothold in local government | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
was all but wiped out, leaving the Conservatives | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
with their best local So another election results | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
day draws to a close. But don't worry, we'll be doing it | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
all again in five weeks' time. For now, though, that's your lot. | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
Now let's look at some of Thursday's results in a little more detail, | :13:41. | :13:52. | |
and what they might mean for the wider fortunes | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
In England, there were elections for 34 councils. | :13:55. | :14:06. | |
The Conservatives took control of ten of them, | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
gaining over 300 seats, while Labour sustained | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
While the Lib Dems lost 28 seats, Ukip came close to extinction, | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
and can now boast of only one councillor in the whole of England. | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
In Scotland, the big story was Labour losing | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
a third of their seats, and control of three councils - | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
while the Tories more than doubled their number of councillors. | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
In Wales, both the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru made gains, | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
There was some encouraging news for Jeremy Corbyn's party | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
after Liverpool and Manchester both elected Labour mayors, | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
although the Tories narrowly won the West Midlands mayoral race. | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
We're joined now by who else but elections expert John Curtice. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
You saw him in Emma's film, he's now back in Glasgow. | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
In broad terms, what do these local election results tell us about the | :14:55. | :15:07. | |
general election result? First we have to remember what Theresa May | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
wants to achieve in the general election is a landslide, and winning | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
a landslide means you have to win big in terms of votes. The local | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
election results certainly suggest Theresa May is well on course to win | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
the general election, at least with four weeks to go, and of course | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
people could change their minds. We all agree the Conservatives were | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
double-digit figures ahead of Labour in these elections. However, whereas | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
the opinion polls on average at the moment suggest there is a 17 point | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
Conservative lead, and that definitely would deliver a | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
landslide, it seems the local election figures, at least in | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
England, are pointing to something close to an 11 point Conservative | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
lead. That increase would not necessarily deliver a landslide that | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
she wants. The truth is, the next four weeks are probably not about | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
who wins this election unless something dramatic changes, but | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
there is still a battle as to whether or not Theresa May achieves | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
her objective of winning a landslide. She has to win big. The | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
local elections as she is not sure to be there, and therefore she is | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
going to have to campaign hard. Equally, while Labour did have most | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
prospect of winning, they still at least at the goal of trying to keep | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
the conservative majority relatively low, and therefore the Parliamentary | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
Labour Party are alive and kicking. Interesting that the local election | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
results don't produce a landslide if replicated on June 8th, but when I | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
looked at when local elections had taken place a month before the | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
general election, it was in 1983 and 1987. The Tories did well in both | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
local elections in these years, but come the general election, they | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
added five points to their share of the vote. No reason it should happen | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
again, but if it did, that would take them into landslide territory. | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
Absolutely right, if they do five points better than the local | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
elections, they are in landslide territory. We have to remember, in | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
1983, the Labour Party ran an inept campaign and their support ballet. | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
In 1987, David Owen and David Steele could not keep to the same lines. -- | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
their support fell away. That underlines how well the opposition | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
campaign in the next four weeks does potentially matter in terms of | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
Theresa May's ability to achieve their objective. It is worth | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
noticing in the opinion polls, two things have happened, first, Ukip | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
voters, a significant slice going to the Conservatives, which helped to | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
increase the Conservative leader in the bowels. But in the last week, | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
the Labour vote seems to have recovered. -- in the polls. So the | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
party is not that far short of what Ed Miliband got in 2015, so the | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
Conservative leader is back down to 16 or 17, as we started. So we | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
should not necessarily presume Labour are going to go backwards in | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
the way they did in 1983. I want to finish by asking if there are deeper | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
forces at work? Whether the referendum in this country is | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
producing a realignment in British politics. The Scottish referendum | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
has produced a kind of realignment in Scotland. And in a different way, | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
the Brexit referendum has produced a realignment in England and Wales. Do | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
you agree? You are quite right. Referendums are potentially | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
disruptive in Scotland, they helped to ensure the constitutional | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
question became the central issue, and the 45% who voted yes our been | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
faithful to the SNP since. Although the SNP put in a relatively | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
disappointing performance in Scotland on Thursday. Equally, south | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
of the border, on the leave side, in the past 12 months and particularly | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
the last few weeks, the Conservatives have corralled the | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
leave vote, about two thirds of those who voted leave now say they | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
will vote Conservative. Last summer, the figure was only 50%. On the | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
remain side, the vote is still fragmented. The reason why Theresa | :19:09. | :19:18. | |
May is in the strong position she is is not simply because the leave vote | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
has been realigned, but the remain vote has not. Thank you for joining | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
us. You can go through polls and wonder who is up and down, but I | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
wonder whether the Scottish and Brexit referendums have produced | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
fundamental changes. In Scotland, the real division now is between the | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
centre-left Nationalist party and the centre-right Unionist party. | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
That has had the consequence of squeezing out Labour in the | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
argument, never mind the Greens and the Lib Dems. In London, England, | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
Wales, the Brexit referendum seems to have produced a realignment of | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
the right to the Tories' advantage, and some trouble for the Labour blue | :20:06. | :20:14. | |
vote -- blue-collar vote. It works for the pro Brexit end of the | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
spectrum but not the other half. In the last century, we had people like | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Roy Jenkins dreaming of and writing about the realignment of British | :20:26. | :20:27. | |
politics as though it could be consciously engineered, and in fact | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
what made it happen was just the calling of a referendum. It's not | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
something you can put about as a politician, it flows from below, | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
when the public begin to think of politics in terms of single issues, | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
dominant issues, such as leaving the European Union. Rather than a broad | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
spectrum designed by a political class. I wonder whether now Remain | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
have it in them to coalesce behind a single party. It doesn't look like | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
they can do it behind Labour. The Liberal Democrats are frankly too | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
small in Parliament to constitute that kind of force. The closest | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
thing to a powerful Remain party is the SNP which by definition has | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
limited appeal south of the border. It is hard. The realignment. We | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
don't know if it is permanent or how dramatic it will be, but there is | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
some kind of realignment going on. At the moment, it seems to be a | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
realignment that by and large is to the benefit of the Conservatives. | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
Without a doubt, and that can be directly attributed to the | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
disappearance of Ukip from the political landscape. I have been | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
saying since the referendum that I thought Ukip was finished. They | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
still seem to be staggering on under the illusion... Some people may have | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
picked up on Nigel Farage this morning saying that Ukip still had a | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
strong role to play until Brexit actually happens. But I think it's | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
very, very hard to convince the voters of that, because they feel | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
that, with the result of the referendum, that was Ukip's job | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
done. And those votes are not going to delay the party -- to the Labour | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
Party because of the flaws with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, they are | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
shifting to the Tories. I agree. The key issue was the referendum. It has | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
produced a fundamental change that few predicted at the time it was | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
called. Most fundamental of all, it has brought about a unity in the | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
Conservative Party. With some exceptions, but they are now off | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
editing the Evening Standard and other things! This is now a party | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
united around Brexit. Since 1992, the Tories have been split over | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
Europe, at times fatally so. The referendum, in ways that David | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
Cameron did not anticipate, has brought about a united front for | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
this election. In a way, this is a sequel to the referendum, because | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
it's about Brexit but we still don't know what form Brexit is going to | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
take. By calling it early, Theresa May has in effect got another go at | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
a kind of Brexit referendum without knowing what Brexit is, with a | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
united Tory party behind her. We shall see if it is a blip or a | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
long-term trend in British politics. Now let's turn to Labour's big | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
campaign announcement today, and that was the promise of no | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
income tax rise for those earning less than ?80,000 - | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
which of course means those earning more than that could | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
face an increase. Here's Shadow Chancellor John | :23:20. | :23:20. | |
McDonell on the BBC earlier. What we are saying today, anyone | :23:21. | :23:30. | |
earning below ?80,000, we will guarantee you will not have an | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
increase in income tax, VAT or national insurance contributions. | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
For those above 80,000, we are asking them to pay a modest bit more | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
to fund our public services. A modest bit. You will see it will be | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
a modest increase. Talking about modest increases, so we can have a | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
society which we believe everyone shares the benefits of. | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
We're joined now by Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon, in Leeds. | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Mr McDonnell stressed that for those earning over 80,000, they would be | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
paying more but it would be modest. He used the word modest 45 times. | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
But there is only 1.2 million of them. -- 4-5 times. So that would | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
not raise much money. This is about the key part of this tax policy for | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
the many, not the few. We are saying that low earners and middle earners | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
won't be paying more tax under a Labour government, which is not a | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
policy the Conservatives have committed to yet. As John McDonnell | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
also said in his interview earlier, if there is a tax rise on the top 5% | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
of earners, earning over ?80,000, it would be a modest rise. I am trying | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
to work out what that would mean in terms of money. If it is too modest, | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
you don't raise much. What will happen is the Labour Party's | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
manifesto, published in the next couple of weeks, wilfully set out | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
and cost it. I can't make an announcement now. -- will fully set | :25:05. | :25:13. | |
out and cost it. Moving on to the local elections, Mr Corbyn says he | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
is closing the gap with the Tories. What evidence is there? John Curtis | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
just said there was an 11% gap in the results, Labour 11% behind. The | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
polls before that suggested Labour were anything up to 20% behind. Was | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
it a great day for Labour? Certainly not. Is there a lot to do between | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
now and June? Sure, but we are relishing every moment of that. | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
Comparing equivalent elections in 2013, the Tories increased their | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
share of the vote by 13%. You lost 2%. That's a net of 15%. In what way | :25:49. | :25:58. | |
is that closing the gap? We have gone down to 11 points behind. Am I | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
satisfied? Certainly not. Is Labour satisfied? Certainly not. A week is | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
a long time in politics, 4-5 weeks is even longer. The local elections | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
are over, the general election campaign is starting, and we want to | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
put out there the policies that will improve the lives of low and middle | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
income earners. And also many people looking to be well off as well. You | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
lost 133 seats in Scotland. Are you closing the gap in Scotland? The | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
journey back for Labour in Scotland, I always thought, wouldn't be an | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
easy one. Since the council election results and Scotland that we are | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
comparing this to, there has been an independence referendum and the | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
terrible results for Labour in the 2015 general election. So it is a | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
challenge, but one hundreds of thousands of Labour members are | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
determined to meet. That is why we're talking about bread and butter | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
policies to make people's lives better. These local elections took | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
place midtown. Normally mid-term was the worst time for a government. -- | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
took place midterm. And the best for an opposition. That is a feature of | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
British politics. So why did you lose 382 councillors in a midterm | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
election? As Andy Burnham said when he gave his acceptance speech after | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
his terrific first ballot result win in Manchester, it was an evening of | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
mixed results for Labour. Generally bad, wasn't it? Why did you lose all | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
of these councillors midterm? It is not a welcome result for Labour, I | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
am not going to be deluded. But what I and the Labour Party are focused | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
on is the next four weeks. And how we are going to put across policies | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
like free school meals for primary school children, ?10 an hour minimum | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
wage, the pledge not to increase tax for low and middle earners, 95% of | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
earners in this country. And saving the NHS from privatisation and | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
funding it properly. These are just some of the policies, including by | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
the way a boost in carers' allowance, that will make the lives | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
of people in Britain better off. Labour are for the many, not for the | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
few. But people like from political parties aspiring to government is to | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
be united and to be singing from the same song sheet among the leaders. | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
You mentioned Andy Burnham. Why did he not join Mr Corbyn when Jeremy | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
Corbyn went to the rally in Manchester on Friday to celebrate | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
his victory? First of all, Andy Burnham did a radio interview | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
straight after his great victory in which he said Jeremy Corbyn helped | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
him to win votes in that election. Why didn't he turn up? As to the | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
reason Andy Burnham wasn't there at the meeting Jeremy was doing in | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
Manchester, it was because, I understand, Andy was booked into | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
celebrate his victory with his family that night. I don't begrudge | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
him that and hopefully you don't. The leader has made the effort to | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
travel to Manchester to celebrate one of the few victories you enjoyed | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
on Thursday, surely you would join the leader and celebrate together? | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
Well, I don't regard, and I am sure you don't, Andy Burnham a nice time | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
with his family... -- I don't begrudge. He made it clear Jeremy | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
Corbyn assisted him. I can see you are not convinced yourself. I am | :29:29. | :29:36. | |
convinced. The outgoing Labour leader in Derbyshire lost his seat | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
on Thursday, you lost Derbyshire, which was a surprise in itself... He | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
said that genuine party supporters said they were not voting Labour | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
while you have Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Are you hearing that on the | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
doorstep too? I have been knocking on hundreds of doors this week in my | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
constituency and elsewhere. And of course, you never get every single | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
voter thinking the leader of any political party is the greatest | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
thing since sliced bread. But it's only on a minority of doorsteps that | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
people are criticising the Labour leader. Most people aren't even | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
talking about these questions. Most people are talking about Jeremy | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
Corbyn's policies, free primary school meals, ?10 an hour minimum | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
wage. Also policies such as paternity pay, maternity pay and | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
sickness pay for the self-employed, that have been hard-pressed under | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
this government. So I don't recognise that pitch of despondency, | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
but I understand that in different areas, in local elections, | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
perspectives are different. That was Derbyshire. The outgoing Labour | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
leader of Nottinghamshire County Council said there was concern on | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
the doorstep about whether Jeremy Corbyn was the right person to lead | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
the Labour Party, and even Rotherham, loyal to Mr Corbyn, won | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
the mail contest in Liverpool, he said that the Labour leader was more | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
might on the doorstep. -- the mayor contest. Does that explain some of | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
the performance on Thursday? I am confident that in the next four | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
weeks, when we get into coverage on television, that people will see | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
further the kind of open leadership Jeremy provides. In contrast to | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
Theresa May's refusal to meet ordinary people. She came to my | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
constituency and I don't think that a single person who lives here. And | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
also she is ducking the chance to debate with Jeremy Corbyn on TV. She | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
should do it and let the people decide. I don't know why she won't. | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
Finally, the Labour mantra is that you are the party of the ordinary | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
people, why is it the case that among what advertisers call C2s, D | :31:51. | :32:03. | |
and E', how can you on the pulse of that social group, how can you do | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
that? Our policy is to assist, protect and improve the living | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
standards of people in those groups and our policy is to protect the | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
living standards of the majority... They do not seem to be convinced? We | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
have four weeks to convince them and I believe that we will. Thank you | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
for coming onto the programme. But the wooden spoon from Thursday's | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
elections undoubtedly went to Ukip. Four years ago the party | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
won its best ever local government performance, | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
but this time its support just Ukip's share of the vote | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
plunging by as much as 18 points, most obviously | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
benefiting the Conservatives. So is it all over for | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
the self-styled people's army? Well we're joined now | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
by the party's leader in the Welsh Assembly, | :32:46. | :32:47. | |
Neil Hamilton, he's in Cardiff. Neil Hamilton, welcome. Ukip | :32:48. | :32:58. | |
finished local elections gaining the same number of councillors as the | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
Rubbish Party, one. That sums up your prospects, doesn't | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
it? Rubbish? We have been around a long time and seemed that I'd go | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
out, go in again, we will keep calm and carry on. We are in a phoney | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
war, negotiations on Brexit have not started but what we know from | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
Theresa May is that in seven years, as Home Secretary and Prime | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
Minister, she has completely failed to control immigration which was one | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
of the great driving forces behind the Brexit result. I'm not really | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
looking for any great success in immigration from the Tories, and a | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
lot of people who have previously voted for Ukip will be back in our | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
part of the field again. They don't seem to care about that at the | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
moment, your party lost 147 council seats. You gain one. It is time to | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
shut up shop, isn't it? You are right, the voters are not focusing | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
on other domestic issues at the moment. They have made up their | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
minds going into these negotiations in Brussels, Theresa May, as Prime | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
Minister, needs as much support as she can get. I think they are wrong | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
in this respect, it would be better to have a cohort of Ukip MPs to back | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
her up. She was greatly helped by the intervention of Mr Juncker last | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
week as well, the stupidity in how the European Commission has tried to | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
bully the British government, in those circumstances the British | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
people will react in one way going the opposite way to what the | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
Brussels establishment one. She has been fortunate as an acute tactician | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
in having the election now. I struggle to see the way back for | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
your party. You aren't a threat to the Tories in the south. Ukip voters | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
are flocking to the Tories in the south. You don't threaten Labour in | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
the north. It is the Tories who threaten Labour now in the north. | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
There is no room to progress, is there? The reality will be is that | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
once we are back on the domestic agenda again, and the Brexit | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
negotiations are concluded, we will know what the outcome is. And the | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
focus will be on bread and butter issues. We have all sorts of | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
policies in our programme which other parties cannot match us on. | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
The talk is putting up taxes to help the health service, we would scrap | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
the foreign aid budget and put another ?8 billion in the health | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
service, no other party says that. These policies would be popular with | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
the ordinary working person. Is Paul Nuttall to blame on the meltdown of | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
what happened, no matter who is leader? These are cosmic forces | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
beyond the control of any individual at the moment, it is certainly not | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
Paul Nuttall's .com he's been in the job for six months and in half that | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
time he was fighting a by-election -- certainly not Paul Nuttall's | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
fault. We have two become more professional than we have been | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
recently. It has not been a brilliant year for Ukip one way or | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
another, as you know, but there are prospects, in future, that are very | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
rosy. I do not believe that the Tories will deliver on other | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
promises that they are now making. The Welsh assembly elections are not | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
until 2021, you are a member of that, but at that point you will not | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
have any MEPs, because we will be out on the timetable. With this | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
current showing he will have no end', you could be Ukip's most | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
senior elected representative. That would be a turnout for the books! -- | :36:35. | :36:42. | |
no elected MPs. The Tories are not promoting the policies that I | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
believe them. You will see that in the Ukip manifesto when it is | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
shortly publish... Leaders talk mainly about the male genital | :36:52. | :37:01. | |
mutilation and is -- female and burqas. No, when the manifesto | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
launched, we have a lot of policies, I spoke moments ago about it, but | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
also on foreign aid. Scrapping green taxes, to cut people's electricity | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
bills by ?300 per year on average. There are a lot of popular policies | :37:18. | :37:25. | |
that we have. We will hear more from that in the weeks to come. | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
Paul Nuttall said "If the price of written leaving the year is a Tory | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
advance after taking up this patriarch course, it is a price that | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
Ukip is prepared to pay". That sounds like a surrender statement? | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
It is a statement of fact, the main agenda is to get out of the EU and | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
have full Brexit. That is why Ukip came into existence 20 years ago. | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
When it is achieved, we go back to the normal political battle lines. | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
Niall Hamilton in Cardiff, thank you very much for joining us. | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
It's just gone 11.35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes - we'll be talking about the French | :38:09. | :38:20. | |
Welcome to a live edition of the Sunday Politics | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
In the next 20 minutes we are laying on a feast of political discussion. | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
the election campaigns - who are the old bangers | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
and which parties will cut the mustard on June 8th? | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
I'm joined in the studio by the new Mayor for | :38:39. | :38:40. | |
looks at the aftermath of the Metro Mayor election. | :38:41. | :38:53. | |
Tim Charles Bowles is duly elected as the West of England | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
But straightaway, he's fighting another. | :38:57. | :39:05. | |
Not exactly a case of no rest for the wicked. | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
There never is when you're in any sort of public | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
It has been the same in all my years as a councillor. | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
Keeping fit with the Conservatives is what I call it. | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
It's a fitness regime that seems to work. | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
Outside Bristol, The West has Conservative councils, | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
optimistic Parliamentary candidates and now a Conservative | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
The Tories believe that makes it easier to get | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
The fact that we can go to the Government, | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
which is a Conservative Government and hopefully will remain | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
a Conservative Government, we can do that. | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
That helps us, when you are dealing with your own party. | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
We are all singing from the same song sheet on the doors | :39:49. | :40:04. | |
making our voices heard for the West of England. | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
Political opponents see it differently. | :40:07. | :40:07. | |
Labour's Lesley Mansell came within an electoral whisker | :40:08. | :40:09. | |
She says Conservative councils rarely get special treatment | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
It hasn't worked for Banes and South Gloucestershire. | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
There's been a 37% cut, we've got no council | :40:16. | :40:17. | |
housing being built, we've got congestion costing us | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
The fact they are in the same party it should be easier. | :40:20. | :40:34. | |
This is what you really call a political party. | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
Despite coming third, the Lib Dems are | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
They're definitely not celebrating the result. | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
It's effectively Conservative hegemony across the West of England | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
which may be an issue for the city of Bristol. | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
We have to watch very carefully to make sure that Tim | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
Bowles and his Conservative friends aren't prioritising the rural areas | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
We also need to make sure that they do deliver on some of the | :40:52. | :41:00. | |
promises they made for the West Country in terms of extra | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
The Centre for Cities was instrumental promoting | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
When you are thinking about transport, or if you're | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
there isn't much difference between | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
the Tories and Labour and the | :41:24. | :41:25. | |
They might quibble about some of the issues at the margins | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
but really all of them in the West | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
of England recognise the need to build | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
more housing, they need to address | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
congestion, they need to have a | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
better school system that enables firms to | :41:44. | :41:44. | |
in the middle of another election campaign. | :41:45. | :41:54. | |
Tim Bowles is in the studio. Metro Mayor from tomorrow morning. | :41:55. | :42:03. | |
Congratulations. What are your transport plans? I have been | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
speaking to various people throughout the region. The job has | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
started. Officially it is 11 o'clock tomorrow morning but we have already | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
started. I have been talking to people across the region in terms of | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
looking at short-term targets that we can attract in terms of hotspots. | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
We talked about this last week in terms of pinch points in the ring | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
parts of the region. We will also be parts of the region. We will also be | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
talking even more with ministers about projects like the M4 junction | :42:34. | :42:45. | |
18 and also addressing challenges around Bath and congestion there. | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
You see this might be for the benefit of the entire region, but it | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
will mostly affect South Gloucestershire, your patch. The | :42:58. | :43:05. | |
ring road feeds traffic in and out of Bristol. It will allow us with | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
that junction to take traffic away from rules that are going through | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
currently access the M4. It is a currently access the M4. It is a | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
junction that will benefit everybody. Picking up on the point | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
that Stephen Williams made in his film, but you might give precedence | :43:22. | :43:29. | |
to South Gloucestershire and the other Conservative controlled area, | :43:30. | :43:38. | |
Banes. I said throughout that I would be representing everybody in | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
the region. But you made it clear that Bristol would not get the | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
lion's share. Very clear that everybody would be looking at this | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
as a region and finding ways that would benefit everybody. Projects | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
like the M4 junction will help Bristol. Things like the sun and | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
mingled in Bristol will also help other parts of the region. Those | :43:57. | :44:03. | |
transport strategic rules will help everybody. Let us take Cribbs | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
Causeway, the shopping centre, they want to expand it, it is then saved | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
Gloucestershire. As the will decide Gloucestershire. Loss of trade and | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
other shops, most likely to come from Bristol, Bristol gets no | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
benefits, South Gloucestershire gets the benefit, Bristol gets | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
disadvantages. I will use meter over? I will go back to my mantra. | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
This is about regional economy. Cribbs Causeway is an important part | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
of the visitor economy for the entire region, as indeed is M4, as | :44:36. | :44:43. | |
indeed is Bristol. Each of those aspects will help drive the regional | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
economies. We will be looking at Cribbs Causeway in the see me that | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
we look at visitor economy and Bath and Bristol. It is about benefits | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
for everybody across the region. Bristol is Labour run with our | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
Labour mayor. The other two Labour mayor. The other two | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
authorities that you have control or influence over our conservative, | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
will you be the tail wagging the Bristol dog? I know that ten and | :45:11. | :45:18. | |
Matthew work well. They genuinely do work together. I am looking forward | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
to being the fourth member of that team. But this is about strategic | :45:26. | :45:27. | |
planning for the region. It is not planning for the region. It is not | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
about those individual constituency parts. I will be championing | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
everybody. I want to come back to the point | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
made in the film by Lesley Mansell. In the past South Gloucestershire | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
and Banes, Conservative controlled, haven't got a better deal from the | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
Conservative Government, will you be able to get that deal for the West | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
of England? Will you be able to demand more resources, or if to | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
high? I have said it is important to high? I have said it is important to | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
have somebody that will work constructively with council leaders, | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
partners, and also with the Government. My man has never been | :46:09. | :46:16. | |
thumping tables, it has always been taking good positive cases to people | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
and making a positive case for the West of England. That is what I will | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
be doing. It will be an advantage to have a member of the Government as | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
being conservative but we have already been meeting the Chancellor, | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
meeting key ministers are ready, and I will be working for the benefit of | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
everybody, hopefully with Theresa May. The Lib Dems said you with the | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
Government puppet. I know who Government puppet. I know who | :46:42. | :46:50. | |
Stephen Kearns. It is vital we have somebody working constructively but | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
in the best interests of everybody. Yes, I will be challenging anybody, | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
at council level, as Partner level, or in Government, to make sure we're | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
getting the best deals all the way through. You will be at the table as | :47:03. | :47:11. | |
Andy Burnham who has won in Manchester, and Andy streets, who | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
has taken over in the West Midlands. Will you be able to pull your weight | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
on that table? These are strong particle and charismatic men. I have | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
got every confidence that the best available get good representation | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
from me, not just nationally but globally. It is important that | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
somebody is driven by that. That is mighty all along. In terms of | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
sitting down with people from the other regions, the West of England | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
is the strongest economy outside the south-east, we have got a brilliant | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
will be making sure I am standing up will be making sure I am standing up | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
and getting the right exposure. Good. Don't go away. We have more to | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
talk about. Of course there were other | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
elections on Thursday - with the Conservatives picking up 21 | :47:54. | :47:55. | |
seats in Gloucestershire, Labour and the Liberal Democrats | :47:56. | :47:57. | |
both councillors and Dickon Hooper has made | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
a meal of it in Taunton. Voter by voter, the | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
leaflets are handed out. The local elections are done - | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
but campaigning for June isn't. The Lib Dems know | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
they have to do better. Despite their vote share rising, | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
they lost seats in Somerset. We were pleased that | :48:18. | :48:20. | |
we've got a rise in our That didn't translate | :48:21. | :48:27. | |
directly into seats. But I don't accept that | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
we are swept away by a What's their appetite for the party | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
at the general election? How are the sausages? Fantastic. How | :48:34. | :49:01. | |
is the politics? I have already met the Liberal Democrat candidate for | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
the general election who called by about one week ago. We had a | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
discussion. I agree with some of the things apart from tax increases. You | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
could go conservative on them? Yes. There is a tipping point at the end | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
and we are not sure what that is until nearer the time. I voted | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
Liberal Democrat. They are the only party that have a positive take on | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
the problems facing the nation. I would fall Conservative consistently | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
at the moment because we need strong leadership to get us through the | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
next five years. Strong and stable leadership? I have heard that | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
phrase. You are a Labour of water thinking of voting conservative and | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
you are a Lib Dem not convinced by then. As anything come -- is | :49:51. | :49:57. | |
anything certain? No. No. Enjoy the sausages. | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
I feel disappointed for all the people that work with you and all | :50:01. | :50:18. | |
the good friends that came out. I am getting emotional. We are stoical. | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
We move on. My good friend is standing for Parliament and we will | :50:23. | :50:23. | |
live to fight another day. Labour is in a weak position at the | :50:24. | :50:36. | |
moment. For an opposition party to still be under 30% in its share of | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
the vote in these contests, to still be doing as badly as it has, it | :50:44. | :50:44. | |
still has a long way to go. With the opposition parties playing | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
catch up in certain parts We're joined by Lesley Williams, | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
the leader of the Labour group on Gloucestershire County Council, | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
and also by Tessa Munt, the newly-elected Liberal Democrat | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
councillor in Wells. How many are you going to win by in | :51:00. | :51:20. | |
the general election, how many seats? I am not making predictions. | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
Are you going to win? We have as good a chance of winning as anybody. | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
Really? I do. What has been the reaction on the doorstep when you | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
call round to Jeremy Corbyn, is he an asset is he not an asset? The | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
Labour Party has grown enormously over the last few months. The | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
membership has elected a leader. We get behind the leader. The | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
membership needs to get out onto the stump, tell people what we stand | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
for, and we will return Labour MPs to Government. What do people say | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
about Jeremy Corbyn? Very little. Is that good or bad. I think it says a | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
lot about people's lives, but what is going on for them, that their | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
local concerns, I am a local County Council, I am interested in their | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
lives, and how they can be improved. Why did you do so really, the party, | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
and Gloucester? There are a number of reasons and it still has to be | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
analysed. But in stride we didn't do badly. But in Gloucestershire and | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
you did. In certain areas he did badly but in Stroud where Reid told | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
voters what they stood for we did well and Tories lost seats in favour | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
of the Labour Party and the Green Party. Overall they didn't lose | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
seats. Over the difference, but if you put your effort into it and tell | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
people what we stand for we can get people to get out and fought back. | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
So you didn't put effort into battle and Gloucester? I don't know. We did | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
put effort and there but I was working in Stroud district and my | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
particular division and people tie-dyed and faltered. Martin is a | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
working-class area of Gloucester. It should be natural territory. It is a | :53:00. | :53:08. | |
very mixed population. Tessa Munt, welcome, you lost in the general | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
election, and we have got some pictures of you losing your seat | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
there. And here you were on Thursday, because you have been | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
elected as a county councillor. That is what politics does. It is a | :53:22. | :53:28. | |
painful business. But is a roller-coaster. You got back as a | :53:29. | :53:31. | |
counsellor but there was not the Lib Dem reviver but we have been told to | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
expect. I don't know that that is quite true. We calibrated the number | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
of votes this time in the County Council, my area, our vote has gone | :53:42. | :53:48. | |
up by 71%. And even during the period in 2009 with Nick Clegg Arab | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
thought had gone up by 32%. You lost half a dozen councillors. -- in 2009 | :53:53. | :54:13. | |
with Nick Clegg Arab vote had gone up by 32%. | :54:14. | :54:26. | |
We have got a good proposition. Do you accept that Theresa Villiers | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
will be the next Prime Minister? Not entirely. You only have to look at | :54:30. | :54:39. | |
the local election results. Tim, you were given a run for your money in | :54:40. | :54:41. | |
the Metro Mayor area. deliver serious numbers. We spoke | :54:42. | :55:03. | |
about this before in terms of size and scale, diversity of the region | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
that I was up for election for earlier this week. It has a very | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
different demographic and lots of areas and in terms of voting | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
history, it was clear to us in the Conservative Party it was always | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
going to be a very close fight between the Labour Party and the | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
Conservative Party. There are nine Parliamentary constituencies, six of | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
them are Tory health, you should have won easily. When you analyse | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
that numbers about how the votes were cast in the last general | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
election and local election, it was clear it was good to be a close | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
fight between the Conservatives and the Labour Party. The message that | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
we were giving us a constructive future for the region, a positive | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
future for the region. That is what helped win it for us on Thursday. | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
Are you expecting a Conservative landslide in one month's town? I was | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
out campaigning yesterday morning, bright and early, all through | :56:00. | :56:00. | |
yesterday. We think it is going to yesterday. We think it is going to | :56:01. | :56:07. | |
be a hard fight. We are campaigning every day. We are taking nothing for | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
granted. They are fighting every seat in the area. If you look at the | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
results that we can focus on, take Cheltenham, Thornbury, Bristol West, | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
there is no question, and other seats close to mine, then you will | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
find yourself in a situation where you have got the Dems who are | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
fighting close up. Are you going on the streets to see you will put up | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
taxes? People don't mind about that. The idea of putting a penny on | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
income tax, it hurts those people who are more well off more, of | :56:44. | :56:50. | |
course it is a good idea. More money for the NHS. When will the tax | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
changes take effect, how much will you have to be earning to pay the | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
extra penny? You start paying taxes soon as you get to 11,000 500. Simon | :57:00. | :57:06. | |
on 12,000, 13,000 could pay more tax. People are desperate to do | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
something about the NHS and the idea that that money is ring fenced and | :57:11. | :57:17. | |
totally for the NHS. We have heard Theresa May making packages about | :57:18. | :57:19. | |
mental health care. The money that she and her men -- that she and her | :57:20. | :57:28. | |
predecessors promised. 6 billion, a good deal of money. They have had 8 | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
billion already. They haven't. It is not going that way. It gets cut off | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
in a different way. Money promised for children's mental health | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
services has not come through and that needs to be dealt with. Do you | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
feel embarrassed that it is the Lib Dem is promising to increase taxes | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
for local services? And you are not. Unless you are an 80,000 this what | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
Labour said this morning, that is when the new tax regime will come | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
in. That is true but I remember at the Lib Dems saying they would put a | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
penny on education. They tend to make promises. That didn't work | :58:04. | :58:11. | |
either. They make promises they can't keep. I don't know what to do | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
with that one. That is incorrect. Look at the promises that we did | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
make about income tax in 2010, David Cameron said it was impossible, and | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
we delivered that. The Conservatives are keeping very quiet about tax. It | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
is like a football match. Theresa May, the 80th minute, she is playing | :58:32. | :58:39. | |
it safe, she is not trying to shoot. We don't know what that Labour and | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
Conservative tax priorities would be. The message I am getting | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
throughout my campaign and certainly yesterday was about having strong | :58:49. | :58:50. | |
and stable leadership for the future. I promise you I will say | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
that only once. But honestly that is what was coming across on the | :58:58. | :59:03. | |
doorstep in a big way. What was important for me in the region was | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
showing how we are going to help improve the regional economy. That | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
is vital again for the country. Austerity continues under the | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
Conservatives. We have to live within our means. Everybody | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
recognises that. It is important that we live within our means, that | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
we develop the economy, so that we can invest for everybody. I want to | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
talk about how the opposition parties at the moment might position | :59:32. | :59:38. | |
themselves. We know that in Gloucestershire, in one seat | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
everybody stood aside and let the Greens go against the Conservatives | :59:43. | :59:44. | |
and the Greens won that particular seat. Let us hear from the Green | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
Party. Yes, we fought very hard. We did well for years ago at County | :59:51. | :59:53. | |
Council, we came second. We thought it was a good seats to target. There | :59:54. | :00:00. | |
are so many Greens who think they are the only green, but we were able | :00:01. | :00:03. | |
to bring them together and get them out to the ballot box. Let us talk | :00:04. | :00:09. | |
about the possibility of this so-called progressive Alliance, | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
would you consider doing some sort of deal between Labour, the Lib | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
Dems, perhaps the Greens which are not at the moment. They mentioned | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
Hampton, it was not one of our target seats, the Lib Dems didn't | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
put up a candidate. I am sure there are discussions going on. A lot of | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
people in my area in Somerset is no that this is always a battle between | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. A lot of people have grown used to | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
tactical voting. As far as any deals are concerned that is for the Green | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
Party to decide what they want to do. I am not want to tell them what | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
to do. We had better leave it there. Thank you all very much indeed. That | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
is all for this week. housing associations and investment, | :00:51. | :01:16. | |
but we have run out of time, thank you. Andrew. | :01:17. | :01:26. | |
Four weeks to go until polling day on the 8th of June, what will the | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
party strategies be for the remaining four weeks? Let's begin | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
with the Conservatives. Do they just try to continue to play it safe for | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
four weeks? Yes, with this important qualification. Theresa May Corp this | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
election to get her own personal mandate partly, partly because she | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
thought she would win big but to get her own personal mandate. Therefore, | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
she needs to define it. In her own interests and to do with | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
accountability to the country. So clearly, they will not take risks | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
when they are so far ahead in the polls. What they do say in the | :02:07. | :02:07. | |
manifesto matters in terms of the space that she has in | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
the coming years to define her leadership against David Cameron 's. | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
She is a free figure, partly on the basis of what she says as to how big | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
she wins. They cannot just play it safe and repeat their mantra of | :02:25. | :02:34. | |
strong and stable leadership, if she is going to claim her own mandate, | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
they need the top policy? Yes, and what is unusual about this is that | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
the manifesto matters far more because of what they need to do with | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
it afterwards, than in terms of whether it is going to win anybody | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
over now. Clearly, the strategy is yes, we do have two layout out a few | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
things, there are interesting debates as to whether, for example, | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
they will still commit to this ambition of reducing immigration to | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
the tens of thousands, we do not know the answer yet. It is a | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
question on whether she is setting herself up for difficulties later | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
on. It will be a short manifesto, I would venture to guess? It is in her | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
interests to be as noncommittal as possible, that argues for a short | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
manifesto but what does strike me about the Conservative campaign, | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
aside from the ambiguity on policy, is how personal it is. I think | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
Theresa May, in her most recent speech, referred to "My local | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
candidates", rather than Parliamentary candidates, very much | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
framing it as a presidential candidate in France or the USA. Not | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
a rational on her part. Everything I hear from the MPs on the ground and | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
the focus groups being done by the parties, is that a big chunk of the | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
population personally identify with her. If you can wrap up Middle | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
England into a physical object and embody it in a person, it would be | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
her. Although Jeremy Corbyn's unpopularity accounts for a big | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
slice of her popularity, she has done a good job of bonding with the | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
public. We never saw that coming! But you may well be right. That is | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
happening now. Labour say it wants the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
to play a more prominent role in the Labour campaign, he was on The | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
Andrew Marr Show this morning and he was asked if he was a Marxist, he | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
denied that he was. It surprised me as I had seen tape from before | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
saying that he was proud of it. Let's look now and then. Are you a | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
Marxist? I believe that there is a lot to learn... Yes or no? I believe | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
that there is a lot to learn from reading capital, that is recommended | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
not only by me but measuring economists as well. I also believe | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
that in the long tradition of the Labour Party... We need to demand | :04:53. | :05:01. | |
systemic change. I am a Marxist. This is a classic crisis of the | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
economy. A capitalist crisis. I've been waiting for this for a | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
generation! That was from about four years ago. No, I'm not a Marxist, | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
yes, I am a Marxist... I've been waiting for the Marxist revolution | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
my whole life... Does this kind of thing matter? Yes, but in fairness, | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
I think he is a really good interviewee. The Shadow Cabinet have | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
untested figures in a national campaign. None have ever been | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
exposed at any level to a national media campaign that they are about | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
to experience. He is the best interviewee. In fairness to him, | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
when he gave that clip four years ago, I bet he never dream that he | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
would be in a senior front bench position. But the background is | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
clear. They are of the left, and I think they would all have described | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
it. Jeremy Corbyn would have done, he is close to being like Tony Benn. | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
There are about four Labour campaign is being fought in this election. | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
Their campaign, the old Shadow Cabinet, campaigning in | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
constituencies, but not identifying with that campaign. There is the | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
former Labour leader Tony Blair. Is it damaging? I think so, if they | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
could be damaged any further, I could see all of the Labour MPs with | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
their heads in their hands. What I am hearing from Labour MPs is that | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
there is not one of them who do not feel that they have a horrendous | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
battle on their hands. These will be very individual local campaigns, | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
where local MPs are winning despite the party leadership and not because | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
of it. Already, talk is turning to what happens next. Is there anyway | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn, giving a horrendous set of general election | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
results as many anticipate, may stay on all the same? It is not clear | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
that even if the polls are right, that Mr Corbyn will go? John | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
McDonnell implied it might not be the case but previously, he said it | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
would be. What do you make of reports that the Labour strategy is | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
not, I cannot quite believe I am saying this, not to win seats but | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
maximise a share of the vote. If they do better than Ed Miliband with | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
30.5% of the vote, they believe they live to fight another day? Yes, it | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
reminded me of Tony Benn's speech after the 1983 election where they | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
said as bad as the Parliamentary defeat was there were 8 million | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
votes for socialism. A big section of public opinion voted for that | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
manifesto. I wonder whether that is Corbyn's supporters best chance of | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
holding onto power. Whether they can say that those votes are a platform | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
on which we can build. That said, even moderate Labour MPs and | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
desperate for a quick leadership contest. I hear a lot of them say | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
that they would like to leave it for one year. Maybe have Tom Watson as | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
an acting Labour leader. He would still have a mandate. Give the top | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
party a chance to regroup and get rid of some of its problems and | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
decide where it stands on policy. Most importantly, for potential | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
candidates to show what they are made of, rather than lurching | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
straight into an Yvette Cooper Coronation. 30 seconds on the | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
Liberal Democrats, their strategy was to mop up the Remain vote. | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
Uncertain about the Brexit party in demise. Ukip. The remain as have a | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
dilemma, the little Democrats are not a strong enough vessel with 89 | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
MPs to risk all ongoing for them -- the Liberal Democrats. Labour do not | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
know where they stand on Brexit. There is not a robust alternative | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
vessel for what is now a pro-Brexit Conservative Party. At the moment. | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
Four weeks to go, but not for France... | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
France has been voting since early this morning, and we should get | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
a first estimate of who will be the country's next President | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
Just to warn you there are some flashing images coming up. | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
The choice in France is between a centre-left liberal | :09:18. | :09:18. | |
reformer Emmanuel Macron and a right-wing nationalist | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
Marine Le Pen - both have been casting their votes this morning. | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
The two candidates topped a field of 11 presidential | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
hopefuls in the first round of elections last month. | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
The campaign has been marked by its unpredictability, | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
and in a final twist on Friday evening, just before | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
campaigning officially ended, Mr Macron's En Marche! group said | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
it had been the victim of a "massive" hack, | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
with a trove of documents released online. | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
The Macron team said real documents were mixed up with fake ones, | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
and electoral authorities warned media and the public that spreading | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
details of the leaks would breach strict election rules. | :09:52. | :10:02. | |
I'm joined now from Paris by the journalist | :10:03. | :10:03. | |
As I left Paris recently, everybody told me that there was the consensus | :10:04. | :10:17. | |
that Mr Macron would win, and win pretty comfortable you. Is there any | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
reason to doubt that? -- pretty comfortably. I don't think so, there | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
have been so many people left and right, former candidates who have | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
decided that it was more important to vote for Macron, even if it was | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
agreed with him, then run the risk of having Marine Le Pen as | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
president. I think the spread is now 20 points, 60% to Macron, 40% to Le | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
Pen. So outside of the margin of error that it would take something | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
huge for this to be observed. If the polls are right and Mr Macron wins, | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
he has to put together a government, and in May there is a Coronation, | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
then he faces parliamentary elections in June and could face a | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
fractured parliament where he does not have a clear majority for his | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
reforms. He could then faced difficulties in getting his | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
programme through? I think that right now, with how things are | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
looking, considering you have one half of the Republican party, the | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Conservative Party, they are making clear sides, not only that they want | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
to support Macron but are supporting him actively. It means looking at | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
the equivalent of the German party, the great coalition. Depending on | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
how many seats established parties keep in the house committee may very | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
well have a Republican Prime Minister, rather than having an | :11:47. | :11:58. | |
adversarial MP, he may have someone who is relatively unknown outside of | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
France, and a young woman. Contended that lost the Parez mayorship three | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
years ago. She is a scientist and has been secretary of state. She | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
would be an interesting coalition Prime Minister. Finally, Marine Le | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
Pen, if she goes down to defeat a night, does she have the stomach and | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
ambition, and the energy, to try it all again in 2022? She has all of | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
that. The question is, would they let her? How badly would she lose? | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
Her niece, now 27, a hard-working and steady person, unlike Marine Le | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
Pen, who flunked her do paid -- debate, her niece may decide that | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
2022 is her turn. Yet another Le Pen! All right, we will see. Just | :12:56. | :13:03. | |
five years to wait, but only a few hours until the results of the | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
election tonight. And we will get the exit polls here | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
on the BBC. Given the exit polls will give as a pretty fair | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
indication of what the result is going to be tonight. That will be on | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
BBC news. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will cover every | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
turn of this election campaign, And we're back here on BBC One | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
at our usual time Next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday, | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. Our crack team of experts | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
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