23/09/2012 Sunday Politics Yorkshire and Lincolnshire

State with us for the North The Sunday Politics when we ask whether

your money should subsidise their offshore wind industry with an --

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You are watching The Sunday Politics for Yorkshire,

Lincolnshire and the North Midlands. Coming up before 12 o'clock: we are

asking whether your money should subsidise the offshore wind

industry with evidence of coalition discussion over the cost of green

energy. We will also be asking whether the

current Sunday trading laws at outdated in our 24-hour consumer

society. At yesterday at David Ward, Craig

Whitaker, and another at Hull studio is Karl Turner they it

Labour MP for Hull East. Party conference season is under

way this week with the Lib Dems are gathering on the South coast. Your

party's ratings are still not great, what will be the mood of the

delegates there? I think the mood will be one of grim determination

to battle on. We are halfway through Parliament and we have done

many of the things which were necessary but unpalatable and it is

really know about delivering that implementation of those things. At

the end of the day, it will all depend on the economy and believe.

Is the gap wider than ever? No I do not think it is. As has been said,

that task has been huge. I do not think any Government in recent

modern history have had to deal with what this coalition Government

has had to deal with. With the odd tension week there and about, the

two parties will work together closely to make sure that the

programme is delivered and begins to show signs of delivery. Karl

Turner, can you afford to be nasty to the Lib Dems? You might need

them for the next Government. is a fair argument. But the truth

is, the coalition is in complete disarray. You can see them in

Parliament arguing between themselves. Not just outside of the

chamber but inside of the chamber also. They came into Government as

a coalition on the basis that they would work together for the good of

the country and clearly that is not happening. The economy is failing

and quite frankly, they are in disarray. It is going to be an

interesting party conference season. We will talk more later, first of

all we will get energy. We are told there is a jobs bonanza flowing in

from the North Sea. Engineering companies are queuing up to build

and assemble a new generation of wind turbines to be situated off

the East coast. But to pay for them it will mean big public subsidies

which would add an estimated �25 on to every household electricity bill.

Many industry figures feel that the Government is not fully committed

to the green energy revolution. Len For centuries the River Humber has

brought waves of industry and jobs to its banks. That could be about

to happen again here. This is a side with water on one side and

fast access to rail and road on the other. It also happens to be the

biggest single piece of industrial development land in the country.

That is the River Humber over there. The factories would be built on

this land then they would assemble those giant wind turbines which

would be put straight on to ships to be installed in the North Sea.

Everything would be ready to go but they would just be one thing

missing, compensation. developers need to know exactly

what they would get once they provide the infrastructure and

putting their elegist a back into the crowd. By keeping the

Government has been so slow in being able to say to the industry

that this is what sort of level of return you will get? A thing that

is a question for the policy makers. 80 miles inland business leaders

are gathered at this conference in Sheffield and they want an answer

to that question also. They are ready to join a supply chain

creating thousands of jobs. But without Government agreement on

subsidising the elegists D eventually greeted the believe it

is in jeopardy. How could the Government get their

act together and get the full backing behind this industry before

all these plans fall apart? We have seen presentations today from the

likes of different energy companies investing money already and there

has been big investment already. They have been investing here too.

This manufacturer is already making huge steel access letters --

ladders for the wind turbines. Customers are mostly in Germany at

the moment but they need the orders from the UK it wind farms off of

the Humber. We're already created something in the region of 15 extra

jobs. When the market starts to take off the projections in the

future and that that figure could be two or three or four or five as

many jobs. As a long-term jobs. Government's recent reshuffle has

dented the fledgling industries confidence and the new energy

minister has walked through the doors of Number Ten and announced

yet more consultations this week before deciding how he would next

nuclear, gas and wind power. We do not want to only subsidise one

technology. We call for evidence from all the proponents and their

opponents. It is an open court. Renewals are very much part of our

structure and there is no doubt about that. It has to be in the

right places. Wind power in the right places with community

engagement and community benefit can work there is no doubt about it.

With ministers in one department against wind and now with John

Hayes we have a minister with in their department who is also is

rather equivocal to say the least about the opportunities that wind

turbines provide an this is bad news. That leaves business stuck in

the middle. Investing and gearing up for an offshore industry that

could be blown away before it even Craig Whitaker you were one of

their it Tory MPs calling for the subsidies to onshore wind farms.

What about offshore wind? Is this something that the Government

should do more about to make sure that the jobs come to a region?

is a really fine banner -- balance but I think the cost at the moment

for tax payers is far too high. There are other ways of alternative

energy that does not need as much subsidy that we can deliver the

things that the Government is to deliver. It is a fine line. I would

personally like to see a much bigger reduction in subsidies to

those that were on onshore a rather than offshore. But it is something

that the Government needs to listen to and take heed. To people and

communities are up in arms about wind turbines being put up next to

their properties. This morning in my surgeries I spoke to 2 back

ladies who were incandescent about the local farmer wanting to develop

wind turbines. It was all about the subsidies and for me we need to get

it right. Is there a certain amount in frustration, David Ward, and the

Lib Dems about this Tories scepticism about wind-power? There

is an we must not mess about on this one. This is not just of local

interest it is of national interest lies. It is not just about the

green agenda it is about our manufacturing base here. We are

world leaders in this area and we will lose that position unless we

fully go for this absolutely full pelt. Asked the lady said, it is

bad news. If there was a Lib Dem reading on this a thing most people

would accept that it would be a green agenda and I am worried about

John Hayes, wonderful in his previous role, but using the wrong

place for this I believed. offshore wind industry, Karl Turner,

is going to give boosts to jobs in your constituency but it will cost

money in the form of subsidies and it is ordinary households are or

have to pay, do think people struggling at the moment are

willing to pay more run their energy bills? I am not sure about

that but what I am sure about is the advantages to the economy. That

is the point that the Government seemed to miss. The Lib Dems are

absolutely right, we have to get behind this. This will create many

hundreds and thousands of jobs in the economy. There is the

renewables issue but also the economic advantages to this going

ahead. We're getting mixed messages from Government. The Government's

message on the one hand are people like the Tories signing open letter

is in some parts speaking against onshore wind which is very

different after except from offshore wind, but that does not

encourage their industry. Investors are looking for up investment in

hundreds of millions of pounds and the need confidence for up -- from

the Government be in order to be able to make that investment

themselves. Lib Dems are telling their conference that there would

be the greenest Government ever, but we have to see the reality of

that. The Government now need to walk the top. Mixed messages from

the Government? No I do not think so. It is about as these investors

and these people wanting to build factories been confident enough to

do it themselves and not necessarily take it from taxpayers'

money. If there that confident than they need to get on and do it. They

are not needing to rely on every man and child in this country is

having to subsidise and pay the price for what they want to do.

Karl Turner, is that a fair point? If this is going to be such a boom

industry were not the City boys paying for it? There is no doubt

about this issue. I am not going to argue about the advantages to the

economy as a whole. The 7,000 extra jobs just to be average as a city.

We are desperate for this investment. You say it is not mixed

messages, we now have a minister who is a climate change denier in

John Hayes. It could not be any worse than that. We need confidence

from the Government to the industry. The money to get on with it and

plan ahead. It strikes to the heart over whether we have an active

industrial strategy at all. We cannot sit back... This is not

about supporting lame-duck businesses as it was in the past,

this is world-leading technology which we need to be supporting.

You're absolutely right on that point. This is a big industry. It

is absolutely right. We will come back to this debate many more times

no future am sure but we have to leave it there for now.

The also asking whether Sunday should remain our traditional the

of rest or becoming a shopping free-for-all. Many at calling for

the current Sunday trading laws to be scrapped in a bid to boost the

economy. Opening hours were extended during the Olympics and

Paralympics and many believe those restrictions should be lifted

Over the past few weeks shoppers in London have been taking advantage

of longer opening hours on Sundays. It is all thanks to a temporary

change in the law to coincide with the Olympics and Paralympics.

tend to shop on a Sunday because it is more convenient for my life. It

fits in better with working and children. A enjoy shopping on a

Sunday because to go to church and then come out and go around and

shop, gets into Eton see the shops open, especially shut supermarkets

and things like that is good. current Sunday trading laws allowed

big high-street stores and supermarkets and garden centres to

open for a limited period of six hours. But is there any real

appetite for a permanent change in the law to allow it all-day Sunday

People are working all sort of hours and Sunday is an opportunity

to do their shopping and yes, it does give an appetite to extend the

service and the business would be there for it. They have to look for

every opportunity for businesses. If it is an opportunity to make

money then they have to look at it. Every opportunity has to be looked

at and validated. In a recent survey 45% of shoppers said they

supported extended opening hours on a Sunday. 16% opposed all it Shun -

- Sunday shopping. But moves to extend Sunday trading hours on a

permanent basis are up opposed by church leaders, many MPs and the

shop workers' union. Some retailers are also not convinced. Nick Brown

runs for department stores in York, Helmsley, Beverley and Gainsborough.

I really passionately believe that six hours enough -- is enough on a

Sunday. It is a special day and I think that society wants to have a

different feel to that day. We have six days of full shopping and six

hours on a Sunday is the right balance and we will be pushing for

it that had to keep it that way. The Government is currently looking

at the economic arguments of extended opening hours. But it

seems opinion is divided over whether it that tell should ring

Craig Whitaker, do we need Sunday shopping all day? Absolutely not,

and an ex retailer of 30 years' experience and I disagree with that.

I remember when Sunday trading first came in and I felt it was a

huge step back in society and people not having time for their

families. Shopworkers when this first came and they got loaded

extra penalty rates for a Sunday. They can opt out to not work on

Sundays if they wish. I was with retailers who were saying that the

new contracts do not give the opt- out option for them workers. Not

only that, the workers because it is only a short working day, have

to make up their hours during the week. One of the other day's

becomes a longer working day. I think it is a disaster and a thing

we should go back to not trading on a Sunday. Labour always complain

there is no growth strategy, this would keep people in the shops,

wouldn't it? What is wrong with extended Sunday opening? In it

would have there was evidence to support it. I do not think there is.

If there is economic evidence to show that there is an advantage in

the economy and I might be tempted -- tempted to support it but that

is not the situation here. It is absolutely not the possession. They

are stable said initially that this was not going to be a pilot for the

real thing. He has gone back on his word on that. Some people are

annoyed about it. People who work on a Sunday already do not want to

have to be forced by their own financial positions to work extra

hours. I am absolutely opposed to this idea. I certainly will not

support it. David Ward, the internet is not closed on the

Sunday why not see this opt-out as part of the ghost town? You go and

get your Sunday paper is in your hat roast beef in Yorkshire at

bidding for dinner and you listen to the radio. You sound like John

Major now. Come on, the world has moved on now. There is an issue of

protection of workers and we all understand that but the world is

different my Sunday is different. Yes and meet my family and watch

some football and have the grand children over and take them out. It

is a different day because I choose to make a different for me. It is

up to people how they want to spend their Sundays. If they want to shop,

let them shop. The Tories seem to be leading on this with Eric

Pickles and other senior Cabinet ministers. But you're not. So I do

not think the whole Government do. On this issue I have always been

against Sunday trading, not because I am incredibly religious or

anything like that, I just think it is the one day in everybody's busy

lives but people can choose to have family life together and I think

that is incredibly important. us get more of the week's political

using a part of the world here is Seconds.

More Yorkshire soldiers killed in Afghanistan which is opening up the

debate over by a drop -- troops are still there. I think it would be

disrespectful to those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice to cut

and run. There are new calls to save the heart surgery unit for

children in York. The councillors are behind us and there it needs to

be a compromise. And Annick Greggs Liberal-Democrats

heading for the Brighton tomorrow with at song in their heart? --

Nick Clegg. Or will his recent apology prove more up popular than

he is. I am sure there are some people for whom this will never be

enough. Have you downloaded that song?

is fantastic. I do not know who did it but to do so quickly is

absolutely fantastic and it is done so well. A complimentary ever did

it. Was he right to say sorry? proportion of people who voted

Labour or Tory has gone down over the last 60 years and there are

likely to get coalitions. What we're learning is not to make

pledges because you do not know what is going to happen after the

election. It was foolish. It is easy to stick the knife into Nick

Clegg, Karl Turner, but all politicians break promises at some

stage, don't they? A do not think on that scale. What he pledged to

do was to vote against any increase whatsoever of tuition fees and we

have seen than trebled. What a sorry mean? What I have said on

Twitter is what the Deputy Prime Minister should have been

apologising for his helping the Tories to privatise the NHS. 49% of

the NHS is effectively going to be private as a result of the Liberal

Democrats supporting the Tory MPs in Parliament. That is what he

should beat saying sorry for. that is just coalition politics,

you might need to play that game at some point when you? I am on record

saying that I would not be very happy at all with getting into bed

with the Liberal Democrats. Adding the way they have treated their

electorate, or those that have voted for the Liberal Democrats, in

the 2.5 years that the coalition have been an existent, they have

been appalled. What I have said to my colleagues in the Labour Party,

indeed, when given the opportunity to my leader, I am not keen on

being in a collision with the Lib Dems.. But let us see what happens

at the election. It might be a situation where we have to talk to

other political parties. It would never happen that we would talk to

the Tories of course, I am not in favour but the old, I am opposed it

because they have behaved dreadfully. Craig Whitaker, will

you see more at politicians apologise now? But they are trying

to correct the mistakes of their past? I just wonder whether at the

Labour Party will apologise for the mess that Labour left their country

and and the mess that it wasn't that endured for the last few years.

That is a rich coming from Craig Whitaker. A beer in the first

double decision for 37 years, at the time of the last general

election the economy was growing. We're now in a double-dip recession.

People in my constituency are losing their jobs and losing their

homes as a result of a double-dip recession which was made in Downing

Street. I have nothing to apologise on behalf of my colleagues who were

in the previous Government. So does not matter that we have a 1.6

trillion pound debt. That is not us that our generation but for the

rest of our children's generation has to pay off. But do not worry

about that, Karl Turner, because that does not matter when

Government overspending contributed to that. You talk about Nick Clegg

making an apology and the size of the issue, but that is nothing in

comparison to what Auden ground and dead. The deficit is just as

important to the Labour Party as it is to any other political party.

-- Gordon Brown. If borrowing is actually going up

not coming down. I do not think the word sorry is going to be mentioned