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Theresa May was cheered by the Tory faithful | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
as she charted her vision for Brexit. | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
We'll be talking about the plan - or what we know of it - | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
with Lib Dem leader Tim Farron and former Tory Cabinet | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
The olive branch might have withered but Jeremy Corbyn has | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
stamped his authority on the Labour Party | :00:57. | :00:57. | |
with a Shadow Cabinet reshuffle that's rewarded allies | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
And one Ukip MEP is still in hospital following an altercation | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
Just what exactly happened in a week which has seen | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
In London, after the Brexit decision, negotiations for more | :01:14. | :01:25. | |
But what can the mayor and London's councils expect to get? | :01:26. | :01:35. | |
And we'll be talking about the tape that's derailing Donald Trump's bid | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
We've also reshuffled our own top team here in the studio, | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
and we've ended up with three journalists who show all the unity | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
the humour of a Conservative Party conference speech, | :01:50. | :01:59. | |
and the anger management of a meeting of Ukip MEPS. | :02:00. | :02:09. | |
that means they'll probably be fighting in a few minutes. | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
Yes, it's Helen Lewis, Tim Shipman and Isabel Oakeshott. | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
So, where else would we start but with Brexit? | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
And the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has been talking | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
He coined a new term - full Brexit - and he was asked | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
if Britain was going to be leaving the EU's single market. | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
This is Brexit. This is full Brexit if you like. We are going to be | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
outside the European Union but we still, because it is over 40% of our | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
trade, we still want to maximise our trade with it. A final question in | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
the papers today. You see soft Brexiteers briefing against hard | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
Brexiteers and vice versa. This is terribly damaging for the Cabinet | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
presumably. We are all Brexiteers now. We have to make a success of | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
it. So, a lot of briefing against Mr Hammond after his speech to the Tory | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
conference. Then Mr Hammond's people briefing | :03:05. | :03:15. | |
against people like Liam Fox David Davis, Boris Johnson. Today, one | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
phrase was they were talking nonsense and garbage. When did we | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
get the first Brexit resignation? A good question. We have full Brexit, | :03:26. | :03:34. | |
open and close Brexit, hard and soft Brexit. The Prime Minister does not | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
want to provide a running commentary so ministers are trying to tell us | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
nothing but in interesting ways. I do not think anyone will resign but | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
what is interesting as you get a situation where everyone is a | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
Brexiteer now but there were very different views about how this is | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
going to go forward. The Prime Minister herself, she did two things | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
last week. She gave a speech for a domestic audience and a foreign | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
audience. She is trying to embody the hopes and dreams of a group of | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
people who feel they have been left out, the people who have been left | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
behind on the domestic front and also voted for Brexit. By embodying | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
those people fighting for their causes she is having to take a hard | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
line on immigration. There may be no one about to resign now but we are | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
only 100 days into this many government and the briefing on both | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
sides of the so-called hard Brexit versus the so-called soft Brexit was | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
the Treasury. It seems to embody the soft Brexit approach. The briefing | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
is fierce. It is going to lead to trouble, to blood. This is a | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
peak-time will stop we have just come away from the Tory Party | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
conference where every journalist worth their salt is working the | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
party circuit, going to dinners. It is an easy agenda to get every | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
cabinet minister you lunch or dine with to give you their version of | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
what Brexit said -- should mean. There is a melting pot here which is | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
bubbling away. Things may become more disciplined in the week ahead. | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
I do not think it is sustainable for Theresa May to say she will not give | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
a running commentary. It is a red rag to every journalist and all her | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
own Cabinet. You cannot keep that going for the next few months. She | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
will have to give a clearer guide as to whether it is hard, soft, in or | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
out, whatever it is. Theresa May is going to have to deploy the smack or | :05:27. | :05:34. | |
firm government. She has been smacking away already. All three | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
Brexit is happening to be airing personal opinions. The fact they are | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
ministers in charge of this is totally irrelevant. There is | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
political and economic things at work. What no one will say is that | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
you can have hard Brexit but it will probably almost certainly have | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
economic consequences. How do you go as a politician of the country and | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
say we hear you want to control Iraq -- immigration but that means the | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
country will be poorer? People will always be straddling it in a really | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
uncomfortable way. OK. We'll be talking more about this as the | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
programme goes on, you will not be surprised to hear. | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
This week, Theresa May closed her party's conference | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
with a speech designed to grab the centre ground | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
She positioned the Conservatives as champion of the working classes | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
and pledged to help those left behind by globalisation. | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
We'll wait to see what any of that that means in practice. | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
But it was what she had to say about Britain's exit | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
from the EU that had the biggest immediate impact, | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
not least on the value of the pound, as the world began to get a clearer | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
We now know when the process of leaving the EU will begin. | :06:38. | :06:48. | |
Theresa May has set a deadline of the end of next March | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
for triggering Article 50, which formally begins the Brexit | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
That allows only two years to do a deal, so we should be out | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
of the EU by the end of March 2019 by the latest. | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
The Government will also introduce a so-called Great Repeal | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
Bill next year, which will end our membership of the EU. | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
Theresa May talked of Britain being a fully | :07:09. | :07:09. | |
The Prime Minister also said she will prioritise | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
controlling immigration by ending the free movement | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
Because being subject to the European Court of Justice | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
and free movement are key requirements of membership | :07:23. | :07:23. | |
of the EU single market, this strongly suggests the Prime | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
Minister does not see Britain remaining a member. | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
But there were some mixed messages about life after Brexit. | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
The ability of EU citizens to stay in the UK remains a grey area. | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
Brexit secretary David Davis said they would be 100% able to stay | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
while Theresa May struck a more cautious tone. | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
And Home Secretary Amber Rudd's plan to shame firms that | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
take on foreign, rather than British, staff, faced a backlash | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
from business and political opponents. | :08:00. | :08:00. | |
There was also a range of mood music about life as we head for the door. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
Chancellor Philip Hammond was at one end, warning the country | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
to brace for a roller-coaster ride ahead. | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
But Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson attacked what he called | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
gloomadon poppers and said Britain would be more active on the world | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
Well, I'm joined now by the Liberal Democrat Leader Tim Farron. | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
And the former Conservative Cabinet minister, Iain Duncan Smith. | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
Let me come straight to the point, first of all with you, Iain Duncan | :08:28. | :08:40. | |
Smith. Is it now clear that whatever relationship we will have with the | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
single market, we will not be a member of the single market when | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
Brexit is complete? I think when you add all these things together, it | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
becomes, I believe, is pretty clear that what the Prime Minister said, | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
what has been said by a number of Cabinet ministers, if the centre of | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
our negotiations is that we intend to control our borders and the flow | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
of migrants from the European Union, which has caused, in some cases, a | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
great deal of damage to workers and their incomes at the bottom level, | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
the skilled level, that means there is no way that the European Union | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
will be able to allow us to be a member of the single market. That is | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
not the same as access. Tim Farron, do you accept that is the way we are | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
going? Whatever access arrangements we have, and we will have some | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
arrangements. Even North Korea has access to the single market. But we | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
won't be a member. That looks to be the way the Government is taking us. | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
It is a massive mistake. I think Ian is wrong to say there has been a | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
massive decision in favour of us leaving the single market and if | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
that is what he is implying. It is given that a small majority voted to | :10:00. | :10:13. | |
leave the EU but no one voted to leave the common or single market. | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
It seems to me to be flying in the face of all the economic indicators | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
of whatever the British people want, or is best for British jobs. It | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
seems, for the Conservative Party, to be a reinterpretation of the | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
result for a hard Brexit that nobody voted for. That is strong point. We | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
do not have too much time this morning, so I'm going to try to keep | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
this moving quickly. How do respond to that, Iain Duncan Smith? It is | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
utter rubbish. The British people made it clear decision. They were | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
asked a simple question. Do you want to stay in or leave the European | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
Union? Were they asked whether they wanted to leave the single market? | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
You need to have a look at the rules around this. The single market as | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
part of the European Union, whether you like it or not. Do you think we | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
should be in the single market? Do you agree with the overwhelming | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
majority? No, no. I am sorry. The massive benefits which exist are | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
asked to be able to trade with the European Union and have access. | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
America has access. They sell more to the European Union than we do. | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
Hold on. There is no point talking over each other because you are too | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
far-away. Let me come to Tim Farron. If you want to be in the single | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
market, you have to accept free movement. You have to accept the | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
jurisdiction of the European port. In effect, that is membership of the | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
EU. Isn't that what we voted against? -- the European Court. Tim | :11:44. | :11:56. | |
Farron I am talking to. The reality is, and I accept the result of the | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
referendum. It is the direction of the United Kingdom being towards the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
European Union as we stand. The deal we get at the end, as Lord Kurt, the | :12:07. | :12:16. | |
writer of Article 50, agreed with me overnight because destination is not | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
the same. You cannot start this process with democracy and end up | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
with a stitch up, which is what the British people will get. Many people | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
around the country voted to leave the European Union but there will | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
not agree, I am certain, with having imposed upon them complete exit from | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
any relationship with the nearest market and friends and neighbours, | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
which will cost tens and hundreds of thousands of jobs. Let me get you to | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
respond to that, Iain Duncan Smith. When article 50 was drafted, he did | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
not mean it to help any country leave, he deliberately designed it | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
so it would make it so difficult to leave it would almost be nigh on | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
impossible. The second thing about the point that Tim makes, which is | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
complete nonsense, is the added that we will lose tens of thousands of | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
jobs. What we are looking for is a free trade relationship with the | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
European Union. That is the key point. We are not leaving Europe, we | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
are leaving the European Union. This is the problem. There is not a | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
problem in that for common-sense and decent people. Hold on, Tim Farron. | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
Sterling has slumped at the prospect of hard Brexit as it has dawned on | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
the markets that the Government is heading for a so-called hard Brexit. | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
Doesn't that give you pause for thought? Doesn't it make you think | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
it might not be the right course? If you go to the airport at the moment, | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
you would be lucky to get 1 euro for ?1. Doesn't that make you think? Not | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
really. What you know about the free-flowing currency is it will | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
fall and rise in accordance with what people speculate about and the | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
prospects for the future. The point to look at is what the underlying | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
story is for UK business. It used to be that the BBC generally spent its | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
whole time telling us how terrible things work if you look at the FTSE | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
250 or the FTSE 100. In the same period we have seen the FTSE 250, | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
the small and medium companies, at record levels high. Much higher than | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
before we decided to leave the European Union. Here is the other | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
point. There is hugely a story about a strong dollar. The pound rose | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
against the yen was the dollar rose against the euro, the yen, and the | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
pout. Here is the deal. The pound is doing our supporters a of good. -- | :14:49. | :14:57. | |
the pound. There is no point heckling. That is my job. The point | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
is that the pound having fallen means British business is doing very | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
well. And that is a very good thing. Other than the slump in Stirling, | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
what has gone wrong for the UK economy since the 23rd of June? | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
First of all, I am not saying everything is completely calamitous. | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
I take the views of all of the business leaders, people who wrote | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
to the Financial Times yesterday, people who are former members of the | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
Prime Minister's business advisory council, who say that whatever your | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
view on leaving the European Union, departure from the single market | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
would be calamitous. Really worrying indicator, this 31 year low drop in | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
the pound, and we have not even left yet. That is what worries me. And | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
what worries me more than anything else is that you've got the British | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
business community, who now feel that the Conservative Party are | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
listening to the English nationalist forces that have taken over the Tory | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
party, rather than to good common-sense business practice. When | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
Roger, who, the Ukip MEP, tells you that you have gone too far here, | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
then you probably have gone too far. Iain Duncan Smith, let me bring you | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
back in. We haven't got time for speeches this morning, from either | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
of you. Iain Duncan Smith - don't we need to give just a bit on free | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
movement, to secure open access? If we want really good access to the | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
single market, we will have to give something on free movement? | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
Actually, I wrote about a week ago in a paper which set out how you | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
have control of your migration policy which is flexible enough to | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
allow people to come into jobs inside the UK or outside the UK. And | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
that is the kind of flexibility which leaves the British Government | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
controlling the idea about how you access work through work permits. | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
That means for higher skilled people, it will be a very light | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
touch regime, but for the low skilled, which is where the most | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
damage has been done, you have tight regime. You say, listen to British | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
businesses - these are the self appointed losers of British | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
business. That meet you something - these are the same people who told | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
us before that Brexit... They told us, just like you did, Tim, that we | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
would crash and burn afterwards, there would be a calamitous fall, | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
the British economy would be destroyed. Some of us had a more | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
lofty view. I wish everybody would get calm because what we want is | :17:33. | :17:41. | |
Britain to do well. It is not my party... I have got one more | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
question for you, Tim Farron - why have you now lost a second here in | :17:45. | :17:52. | |
the House of Lords, Baroness Manzoor, who says you are not | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
recognising the will of the people in the referendum by calling for a | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
second referendum? She has joined the Tories, so that's Brive - how | :17:59. | :18:06. | |
many more to go? Well, we are 20,000 up, Andrew. It is a peculiar | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
decision which I totally respect. You only need to look at what's | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
happened since June, with the Liberal Democrats gaining 20,000 | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
members. Thousands of them from the Conservatives, hundreds since their | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
conference last week. You look at the by-election gains, the Liberal | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
Democrats winning 18 in the last few months, and half of them... You are | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
not set to lose her? I am always sad to lose people, but I am joined | :18:33. | :18:41. | |
overjoyed to have gained 20,000. Come and joiners in the studio next | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
time, where we can get a proper grip on this debate! | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
With Parliament returning tomorrow, Jeremy Corbyn has been | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
reshuffling his Shadow Cabinet, following his thumping win in this | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
And unlike previous reshuffles, it's been a pretty decisive affair, | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
which has seen him give big jobs to his supporters. | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
Mr Corbyn has moved ally Dianne Abbott to Shadow | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
Home Secretary, keeping Emily Thornberry at Shadow | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
Foreign Secretary and moving Clive Lewis to Business. | :19:06. | :19:07. | |
He's been replaced on the Defence brief by Nia Griffith, | :19:08. | :19:18. | |
There's also a job for new Labour peer Shami Chakrabarti, | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
who recently carried out a report into anti-semitism in the party. | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
And chief whip Rosie Winterton is out. | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
She's replaced by the veteran whip Nick Brown. | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
You may remember him from the Gordon Brown years. | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
Mr Corbyn has also brought back a number | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
of Shadow Cabinet members, who resigned in protest | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
They include Jon Ashworth, as Shadow Health Secretary. | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
Although he's also been removed from the National Executive | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
Committee, Labour's ruling body, where power has been finely balanced | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
Well, to discuss this, we're joined by the Labour MP, John Mann. | :19:52. | :20:01. | |
John Mann, who is a Corbynite critic. Mr Corbyn says this is the | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
most diverse shadow cabinet ever, the best team to take Labour forward | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
- what do you say? Well, it's his choice of team. And I think we | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
should get on with the job now. Think he has won, whether people | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
like it or not. And the last and we want I think is a year of | :20:22. | :20:30. | |
internalised, inward looking navel-gazing. Like the last year? | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
Like the last year. And I have said, I was not in favour of the timing of | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
this challenge, but we actually have to get to grips with the referendum | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
result and the fact that quite a lot of Labour voters voted to leave, | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
unlike the general view in the Labour Party. There's lots of issues | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
we should be looking at, but we should not be looking inwards. Is | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
there much of an olive branch from Mr Corbyn to the Parliamentary | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
Labour Party in this? I would not call it an olive branch. But if I | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
was him, I would have done pretty much what he has done. He's won the | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
election. If I was leader, I might choose different people. That | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
probably goes for everyone of the 200-plus members of the | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
Parliamentary party. But I think there is a bit of a... The idea you | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
can negotiate a shadow cabinet or cabinet, I mean, it's important that | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
he has all viewpoints represented somewhere, otherwise we'll be much | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
weaker. And so we wait to see whether every view is going to get | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
proper Leanne Wood. That's vital. But he's got to make the choices. -- | :21:36. | :21:44. | |
every view is going to get properly aired.. Quite a lot of London | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
representation - how does that help people like you in the north and the | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
Midlands? It's following the trends of Tony Blair, was always keen on | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
having lots of people who worked in London, and Ed Miliband even more | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
so. So it is not a new trait. He's chosen the people, but what's | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
crucial is, with ceremony people from the metropolitan area, that | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
they spend a lot of time out in areas like mean, not talking to the | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
members, not doing photocalls, they can do that if they want, but going | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
and talking to voters. If they do that, I've got no objection. If they | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
don't, then that will mean that there is not sufficient knowledge of | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
what the wider electorate is thinking. Those shadow cabinet | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
members, every week, should be out there knocking on real doors, in | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
areas that perhaps they are not too familiar with. Keir Starmer, your | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
new shadow Brexit secretary, he has said that there should be a vote on | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
article 50, that when the Government moves it, Parliament should vote. | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
What do you think of that? Well, let's see what... We are quite a way | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
away from seeing what Google is going to do. I think what is vital | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
in terms of Brexit is actually to get into the detail, because there's | :23:03. | :23:10. | |
a lot of slogans, the full Brexit, the soft Brexit, the hard Brexit... | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
Actually, the issue is, what access do we get to markets, what access do | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
we give to our markets? And is there any form of restriction on the free | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
movement of labour? They are the three big issues. We need detail. | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
And it's the negotiation not in the British Parliament but with the | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
Germans and the French in particular that is vital. And of course that | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
hasn't begun. Mr Corbyn told us at the Labour Party conference that he | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
was not really that interested in controlling immigration. Keir | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
Starmer said this morning on the BBC that immigration has become down - | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
you must encouraged by that? What a coalition! Keir Starmer as the | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
person responsible I hope we'll be talking to those of us who supported | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
the Leave campaign in the Vale, and more fundamentally, getting out of | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
those areas where the vast majority of Labour voters voted to leave. If | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
he's going to do his job properly, that is critical. I'm confident that | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
he will do that. Do you know yet what the party policy is on | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
immigration? I'm sure that will emerge over the time. I do not know | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
what the Conservative Party's ease, either. We do not know what the | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
response of the Germans and the French will be. They have got | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
elections next year. This is rather a movable feast in those countries. | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Therefore, we should be in 20 new negotiations, as Labour. It's | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
crucial that our leadership talks and listens to Labour voters and to | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
those who have voted Labour in the past. | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's re-shuffle has upset the Chair | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
He represents the party's backbench MPs. | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
In an e-mail, John Cryer said Mr Corbyn "did not | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
engage" in a promised plan to reunite the party by allowing MPs | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
Mr Cryer said he had been in talks with the leadership | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
with the aim of "striking an agreement which would allow | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
some places to be filled through elections, while the leader | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
But on Wednesday it became clear "a reshuffle was under way, | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
which had not been discussed or mentioned". | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
Well, we're joined now by Barry Gardiner. | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
He's kept his job as Shadow International Trade Secretary. | :25:30. | :25:39. | |
What happened to the idea of electing at least part of the Shadow | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
Cabinet? Well, I was part of the discussions in the Shadow Cabinet, | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
with Rosie Winterton, who was the chief whip. And she made it very | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
clear that what would need to happen is, there would need to be a vote | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
first of all at the NEC to change the party rules. So I don't think | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
anybody was under any illusion that we could have direct elections now | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
to the Shadow Cabinet without that change in the party rules. Is the | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
idea dead for the foreseeable future? Doormen, is the honest | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
answer. That is for Jeremy to decide. But I think what would be | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
clearly wrong is, if we now going to almost rerunning what was the | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
election contest. And it would be foolish to saddle a leader with a | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
group of people in the Shadow Cabinet that were out of sympathy. | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
And indeed, that was why the Parliamentary Labour Party, when Ed | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
Miliband asked us to give him the right to appoint the Shadow Cabinet, | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
rather than the previous system, which had been elected... What do | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
you make of the chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party, Mr | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
Cryer, complaining that Mr Corbyn did not engage with him in this | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
reshuffle? Look, I don't know what discussions took place. John is a | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
very good friend. He's a very good representative of the PLP, as its | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
chair. But he's one of the best connected people in the party, and | :27:12. | :27:13. | |
the idea that anything took face without his knowledge I find it | :27:14. | :27:21. | |
difficult to believe. He says, Niall Quinn OMP backing him up was a | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
charades in the negotiations? That is a separate question. And I don't | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
think that's true at all. Because the Shadow Cabinet said to the | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
previous NEC meeting delegation, to actually initiate those | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
negotiations. But I think John Mann, who sat here just a few moments ago, | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
got it absolutely right - the Labour Party now must not look inwards for | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
the next year, it must begin to look outwards. It must be challenging the | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
government on what it is doing in our education system and saying, it | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
is wrong to segregate our children. They must be challenging the | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
government on housing and homelessness. I am delighted that | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
John has come back into the Shadow Cabinet, nobody better to take | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
forward our fight for housing in this country. If you want to appeal | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
across the country, are there not too many London metropolitan types | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
at the top? The four great Shadow offices of state all seemed to come | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
from within walking distance of each other. It's a kind of shadow cabinet | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
of all BMW one talents? Well, you could ever welcomed the fact that | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
two of those great offices of state, for the first time ever, are held by | :28:33. | :28:49. | |
women. -- NW1 talents. Broomstick is, it is very London centric. It is | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
not because you have got five MPs from the north-east in the Shadow | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
Cabinet, four from Greater Manchester, all of whom are women. | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
You've got five from Yorkshire. In terms of the population of the | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
country as a whole, it's very representative of whether Labour | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
votes are. John Ashworth accepted the Shadow bridge but is no longer | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
on the National Executive Committee. Does Mr Corbyn now have a majority | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
on the NEC, the ruling body of the Labour Party? The majority would | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
always be on issue by issue. I don't think anybody goes to the NEC | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
determined to wage wall or battle. I assure that people go there to | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
listen to arguments and decide what is in the best interest of the party | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
and the country and take Ossetians accordingly. Why was it important | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
that Mr Ashworth stepped down? I don't know whether it was important. | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
John has been a superb member of the Shadow Cabinet. He has always | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
represented very clearly the views of party members, and I think he | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
will do a fantastic job at health. We will leave it there. | :30:06. | :30:16. | |
I still have energy and can. When we last spoke, I put it to you that we | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
were massive importers of energy including gas. I came here primed | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
for that. Next time I will bring the power with meat! | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
The party with the third highest vote share at the general election | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
has, just since Tuesday, lost a leader, seen | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
the return of Nigel Farage - even if only temporarily - | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
and seen the favourite to take over end up in hospital | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
after an altercation in the European Parliament. | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
Our Ellie's been watching the soap opera unfold. | :30:51. | :31:03. | |
So, we've all heard the rumours about the internal | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
Well, this week, they played out in front of our very eyes on the TV | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
screens in the most dramatic of ways. | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
It was only just over three weeks ago. | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
18 days later, she realised that wasn't going to happen. | :31:22. | :31:33. | |
In her resignation statement, she said she didn't have | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
sufficient authority, nor the full support, of her MEP | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
colleagues and party officers to continue. | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
There was also this clue in the official form she filled | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
in for the Electoral Commission, where she signed her name | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
In the meantime, Nigel Farage seemed pretty chipper, explaining | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
I keep getting over the wall and running for the hills. | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
Before I am finally free, they drag me back. | :32:02. | :32:03. | |
It doesn't have one because she's resigned. | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
The Ukip constitution is quite clear. | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
In these circumstances, the National Executive Committee has | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
the right to appoint an interim leader, which I presume it will do | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
at its meeting on the 17th of October. | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
I'm told the NEC might have met earlier but someone | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
is on is on a cruise, so it wouldn't be quorate. | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
It was starting to feel a bit like a soap opera. | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
It's almost like being a part of Dynasty. | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
By close of play, this man, who probably would have been leader | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
last time if he hadn't been barred from standing had thrown | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
But then things went really off script, when he, Steven Woolfe, | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
after a meeting with colleagues that went... | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
There are mixed accounts of what happened. | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
It's two grown men getting involved in an altercation. | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
We're talking about a dispute that finished up physically. | :32:58. | :33:05. | |
I understand there was an argument between some MEPs and Steven, | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
I think, picked a fight with one of them, and came off worst. | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
It later transpired that the MEPs had been arguing about reports that | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
Mr Woolfe had considered defecting to the Tories. | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
That had ended in a scuffle with this man. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
It was, as people in Hull would say, handbags at dawn. | :33:27. | :33:36. | |
He even tweeted a picture of his hands to prove it. | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
But Mr Woolfe's team questioned that version of events and said his | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
Either way, the two men have been in touch and say | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
they want to meet - handbags and all - | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
But that might not be the end of the story. | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
So, part of Ukip's charm has always been to say and do | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
things the other party would never even dream of. | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
But this week has been different and a number of senior Ukip sources | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
have told me that what happens next will be make or break for the party. | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
They say that will depend on who the next leader is. | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
Before all this happens, Steven Woolfe, seen | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
as a disciple of Nigel Farage, would have been favourite. | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
It must surely have been obvious to anybody, having seen this, | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
that Steven Woolfe, and of course Mike Hookem, | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
I don't think Mike would put his hat into the ring. | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
Surely they can't now consider that either of them could stand | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
The party's biggest donor, Arron Banks, | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
It's fairly indicative of the party split between those who think | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
the new leader should be moulded in Nigel Farage's image, | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
and those who can think of little worse. | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
The party is bigger than any one individual. | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
Everybody has a responsibility within Ukip to safeguard | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
its reputation and that's what I'm asking all people to do now | :34:58. | :35:06. | |
The drama may be over for this week but with the leadership campaign | :35:07. | :35:13. | |
looming, there will be plenty more episodes to come. | :35:14. | :35:15. | |
And we're joined now by the Ukip MEP Bill Etheridge. | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
He was at the meeting where the "altercation" | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
between Steven Woolfe and Mike Hookem took place, | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
and he stood to be leader in the party's last | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
leadership contest, which only finished in September. | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
We have learned, while on-air, that Steven Woolfe has left the hospital | :35:34. | :35:43. | |
in Strasbourg. Bill Etheridge, were punches thrown? First of all, as all | :35:44. | :35:52. | |
MEPs we should apologise to our member ship and supporters for all | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
this nonsense. With regards to punches thrown, I was first on the | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
scene. I did not see punches thrown. I saw Mike with his hands down his | :36:01. | :36:07. | |
side and is Steven Wolfe halfway through and unlatched door. -- | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
Steven Woolfe. He was on the floor. Before you got on the scene, there | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
could have been blows exchanged? In the 15 to 30 seconds before I got | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
there, there is a possibility but Mike has denied that there were any | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
punches thrown and I have not seen any evidence that their world. The | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
friends of Steven Woolfe has said independent medical examinations | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
suggests he does have wounds and bruising which cannot be explained | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
by simply a fall to the floor. I am sure the chairman of the party will | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
look into that and see the exact information being discussed. When it | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
is something put out by sources or friends, let's wait and see the | :36:49. | :36:57. | |
actual information. Was it the idea of Steven Woolfe that the dispute | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
should be settled outside? Yes, Stephen stood up and said, if this | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
is the temperature of your comments, I think we should sort out | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
man-to-man. He took off his jacket and walked outside. Unfortunately, | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
and he has said he regrets it, Mike went outside and did the same thing | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
himself was that neither of them should have done it. It was foolish. | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
If that is response by Steven Woolfe to an argument, no matter how | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
heated, among his own MEPs, does that disqualify him to stand as | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
leader? It does not disqualify him. It says something about his | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
temperament. What I will say is it was not heated argument at the | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
start. We were discussing the fact he had been in a conversation with | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
the Conservative Party about joining. Only a day or two earlier | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
he had said he was not going to join for that we asked if that was to do | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
with the fact that he heard Diane James was standing down. That was | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
the purpose of the meeting, to find out what Steven Woolfe was doing | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
about the Conservative Party. Due to this altercation, we never got an | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
answer. I personally would like need to know what he was doing. What was | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
said? I and stand this happened quite quickly into the meeting. What | :38:13. | :38:20. | |
was it that was said which meant, take the jacket off, we will settle | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
this outside? Steven Woolfe had said about how upset he was that he could | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
not stand in the summer, his form were late by 17 minutes. Mike said | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
whether it is your fault and no one else's. Steven Woolfe reacted | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
angrily and we could get no further conversation. That was the extent of | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
the provocation, to say it was your fault. He was not swearing but he | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
basically said, that's your fault, it is your responsibility. Are you | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
going to stand in this leadership contest now? Up until this happens, | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
I was seriously considering rolling in to try to make sure we did not | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
have people who had been negative towards the party and towards Nigel | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
taking over. Now I do not feel I can support Steven Woolfe and, yes, I | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
will be standing. Isn't the bitter truth, your previously the last for | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
18 days. Two MPs have now said to step outside and we will sort this | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
with jackets. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Ukip is not a | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
proper, functioning party without Nigel Farage at the helm? You cannot | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
survive without him. Nigel is a fantastic leader. He has led us very | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
strongly and powerfully. It is up to us to take responsibility. That is | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
one reason I want to do it to bring the party together. Every time he | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
goes quickly fall apart. There is no functioning Ukip I would suggest | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
without Nigel Farage. Up to us to make sure we get systems in place | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
and make sure we have strong leadership and pull the party | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
together. We can do it. We have 4 million voters than 30,000 members. | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
They must be feeling very let down. It is up to us to make sure we do | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
the right thing and look after them and be there to represent them. | :40:10. | :40:10. | |
Thank you. We say goodbye to | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
viewers in Scotland, who leave us now for | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up here in 20 minutes, | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
the Week Ahead, when we'll be talking about the recording, | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
which some think could derail Donald Trump's bid | :40:23. | :40:24. | |
for the White House. Just what exactly is the | :40:25. | :03:45. | |
Government's see an asking fans to recall how many foreign workers they | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
employ? Has Donald Trump's is at a campaign been halted ill of the | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
water line? Two big questions for our Week Ahead. The Home Office is | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
pumping out briefings as we speak, trying to clarify what the Tubman | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
Palacios, announced by Amber Rudd at the Tory conference. -- the | :04:09. | :04:18. | |
Government plan is. They wanted companies having lists of people who | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
worked. Now it may be just industrywide for that we're not | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
going to name the companies or publish any lists. And it sounds | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
like a classic party conference kite flyers and it has gone hideously | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
wrong when even the brother of the Home Secretary is hitting out at it. | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
Lotsa people would not have a problem imprisonable with the idea | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
companies having to give an idea of the proportion of foreign workers | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
employed. Where it gets sinister is where you are naming people and that | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
becomes very difficult. Does not seem that the Government, even as it | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
badly briefed this out, posted the Amber red speech there was never the | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
intention of publishing a list of there being 500 migrants working for | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
this company and these are the names. That would be absurd. What is | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
the point? The latest line is it would be a private list for | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
government. It reflects a bigger problem. Individually, these | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
measures, you can see a principled argument. There was an avalanche | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
building up with a hostile climate towards migrants. That might start | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
making people queasy. Lots of parents have been text being and | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
saying whether their children have a passport. You are going to need to | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
do this data collection. It makes people uneasy. There was a plus in | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
the idea. Ed Miliband had proposed something similar. The Americans do | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
it. The idea that we look at those industries or companies where there | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
is a high proportion of migrant workers, it sends a message that | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
that is where our skilled effort should go. We should be training the | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
people here already in these skills because we are short of them. That | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
would seem to be part of a sensible labour market policy. But that, I | :06:19. | :06:26. | |
would suggest to you, is entirely lost in this. It has been a | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
catastrophe in the way has been put out. What you have is different | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
levels of what Brexit looks like. The Home Secretary voted for Remain | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
and the Prime Minister voted for Remain. They are all trying to be | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
tough. If you speak to Amber Road when she does not think there should | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
be any controls over skilled immigration. The message wit is | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
coming through is we are going to clamp down on this stuff. -- which | :06:53. | :07:01. | |
is coming through. She is broadly liberal in outlets. Was she trying | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
to be more Brexit than Brexit? It is a really difficult position for that | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
she is running the department that will have to implement all the | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
things she does not believe in. Theresa May is failing to implement | :07:14. | :07:21. | |
proper immigration controls. She is following Mrs May in the job she has | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
to do. Let's move on to something rather bigger. This is this video, | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
broadcast, which has emerged of the Republican presidential candidate, | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
Donald Trump. It seems to be a watershed moment in the presidential | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
campaign of 2016. He is caught on tape making lewd comments about | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
women. It is a long tape so let's have a look at a part of it. | :07:52. | :08:12. | |
And there is lots more where that came from. Yesterday other tapes | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
came out of Mr Trump making inappropriate remarks in the past | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
when the microphone was also running. Yesterday in the United | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
States has been a remarkable day, almost unprecedented. Senior | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
Republicans are now poised to abandon Mr Trump as Republican | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
candidate. Two dozen Republican lawmakers have already disowned him. | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
Senior figures like Senator Mike Leigh of Utah and John McCain, who | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
was the Republican candidate several years ago from Arizona. Senator -- | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
the Senator in New Hampshire who has a tough race to work. We are joined | :08:57. | :09:05. | |
by Jan from publicans Overseas. This is a catastrophe for your party. It | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
is. It is not as catastrophic as people are making it. You have | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
listed the elites. They are the ones that loss throughout the primaries. | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
Jeb Bush wasted 154 million. Monitoring all the polls, it is only | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
making Trump's port is that much stronger. May be the elites were | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
right that Mr Trump was a wholly unsuitable person to be your party's | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
and did it. Is he unsuitable? How much of understanding what the | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
voters want and how much they messed up the Government plays into it? I | :09:43. | :09:51. | |
am beyond being able to defend him. Yes, I am. Is number of people in | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
your party are poised to disown him? There is another part for me. As a | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
psychologist I wrote an international bestseller where I | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
interviewed 4000 men and followed slides. Some of this is not | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
shocking. I have experienced men in power who speak as Donald Trump | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
does. You may not want someone like that as president. The Republican | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
National committee has, as of now, frozen any further spending on the | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
Donald Trump presidential campaign. The Republican National committee. I | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
agree that they needed to do this if they wanted to even retain any women | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
in the party. This has been a very smart move. Basically, we need to | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
watch the debate tonight. I can come on your show tomorrow and tell you | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
whether it is all over or not. This debate could well be major in Saint | :10:51. | :10:59. | |
Louis. Nine o'clock UK time cost of the people who are worried now are | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
the senators, who are up for re-election. There are a lot of | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
them, a lot more than Democrats. The House is all up. They are up every | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
two years, and governors are up for re-election as well. They are | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
terrified. They thought they could do is to budget with Donald Trump as | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
head of the ticket. Now they are really worried they cannot. There is | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
not time to get rid of him, as I understand it from legal opinions | :11:28. | :11:29. | |
which have come out. There is not enough time. Only if he is willing | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
to go. Clearly he is not. This interview says it all. The comments | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
are basically indefensible. What can you say apart from it being locker | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
room banter. The real danger is the debate tonight, I think this could | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
be the most explosive debate we have ever seen in American politics. | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
Donald Trump is that only play is to drag Bill Clinton into this. He said | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
that Bill Clinton said worse things on the golf course. There is a great | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
phrase from Ronald Reagan on Gary Hart back in 1988 saying, boys | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
should be boys but boy should not be president either. I think tonight | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
you will see boys being boys again. Some Republicans are saying that | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
Donald Trump should be replaced by the governor of Indiana. The problem | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
is, the ballot papers have already been printed. 400,000 have already | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
voted in the election in early voting and, constitutionally, it is | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
by no means clear that you can, at this late stage, drop the top of the | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
ticket and replace him with somebody else. They have not been a great | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
deal of opposition research done on Mike pence. This is the same as with | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
Bernie Sanders. You do not know until you get into the heat of the | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
election. There are prominent Republicans saying that is an | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
option. It is extraordinary to think this is the point where people have | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
ditched him. There has been comment after comment and relating to the | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
fact he was already falling in the polls after the Republican National | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
Convention who was becoming within a whisker that he was catching up with | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
Hillary Clinton. Now he has tailed away four. A senior Republican said | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
to me, we have lost the White House and need to do what we can to hold | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
on to the Senate figures really badly, we could lose that as well. | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
It is very serious right now. For one who would like a Republican in | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
the White House and to us to retain the Senate, and Congress, it is | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
going to be worrying. As I said, we need to see what happens tonight and | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
then we are going to really know. Live from Saint Louis it will be on | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
the BBC News Channel at nine o'clock London time. Get in the popcorn and | :13:45. | :13:54. | |
maybe an extra bottle of Blue None! The Daily Politics will be back from | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
midday tomorrow. Remember, if it is Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics. | :14:01. | :14:03. |