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Good evening and welcome to a new series of Taro Naw. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
The summer of 1976 and a brother and sister from Pembrokeshire... | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
..are filmed at a chapel service. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
Within a few months, they were both buried in the cemetery. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Police say the brother killed his sister... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
..before setting himself on fire, but some question that. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You think someone was in the house. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
There must have been. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Tonight, a special investigation. Who killed Griff and Patty Thomas? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
In May, John Cooper was jailed for life... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
...for two double murders in Pembrokeshire during the '80s. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
But is it possible that Cooper is also responsible... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
..for the deaths of another brother and sister in 1976? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
Here's Aled Scourfield's report. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
The village of Llangolman in the Preseli mountains. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Here, in rural Pembrokeshire, was Griff and Martha Thomas' home. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
They had both retired. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
The brother was 73-years-old and the sister was 70. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
Unmarried, they had spent their whole lives at Ffynon Samson. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
I was a bit of a favourite with them. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
They gave me presents at Christmas time and sweets. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
I never left there without sweets. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Huw Absalom farms in Llangolman. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
He was 15 in 1976 and spent a lot of time with Griff and Martha... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
..or Patty as she was known. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
His father was their first cousin and rented land from the Thomases. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
The farmer still treasures some of the gifts he received... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
..from his relatives. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
I had this from Griff and Patty in 1969. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
We always received nice gifts from them at Christmas. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
It shows here... | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
..that... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
It came from Ffynon Samson. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
Patty Thomas and her brother... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
..were born at the start of the 20th Century. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
People living in rural areas had to be frugal. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
They looked after their money. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
There was no cheese and jam on the table. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
It was one or the other. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
They lived on vegetables from the garden... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
..and they shopped locally in the village. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
During the mid '70s... | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
..Reverend Peter Thomas was a young minister at Rhydwilym Chapel. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Griff and Patty Thomas were loyal members of the congregation. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
They were genial, kind and supportive people. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
They were very welcoming. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
I had been to Ffynon Samson more than once during that time... | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
..and received a very warm welcome. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
And the conversations were always sweet. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
But the sweet turned sour. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
On Tuesday, December 7th, 1976, Griff Thomas left his home... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
..and walked to the village shop in Llangolman. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
That's where he was last seen alive at around 4.00pm. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
On the morning of Saturday, December 11th... | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
..Nigel Rossiter, a 22-year-old postman from Narberth... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
..was driving on his round around Llangolman and Maenclochog. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
He had been to Ffynon Samson on the Thursday... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
..and hadn't seen anyone. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
I returned there about 8.30am or 8.20am. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
I picked up what I thought was post to go... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
..and it was post I'd put there on Thursday. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
I noticed this, so I went back to the house. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
He witnessed an atrocious scene as he entered the house. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
Going into the house, I had to go in a good bit of the room... | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
..because there was a big chair or something in the way. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
I could see this charred body in a nest of cushions... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
..and a made-out thing, like, as if it was a nest. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
In a state of shock... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
..he left the farmhouse and ran to a nearby house to call the police. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
35 years later, this is the first time Nigel Rossiter... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
..has spoken publicly about his experiences. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
Despite seeing a man's body in the kitchen... | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
..he didn't see the second body. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
When he returned with the police... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
..he saw Patti Thomas's body in the parlour. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
She was sitting on the table. She was slumped over on the table. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
The close-knit community was shocked by the terrible news. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
The local minister was amongst the first to be called to the farmhouse. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
I saw Griff from the porch. I didn't go beyond the porch. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
I saw a black, burnt figure. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
I couldn't believe it was Griff. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
Yet, I had to accept... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
..that something dreadful, rapacious and extremely violent... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
..had happened there. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
The news about the deaths... | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
..had spread across the area and beyond within a few hours. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
The farmhand came back to the yard. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
He was terrified after hearing what had happened. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Dad was out on the farm and my mother had gone to Carmarthen. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
My mother had heard of the incident in Carmarthen. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Detectives were questioning all locals within an hour or two. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
Television cameras were also there. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
The police had launched a big investigation into a double murder. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
Police officers from all over Dyfed-Powys... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
..had been called to Llangolman. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
My work was going from house to house. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
I had a team looking into the family's background... | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
..discovering whether someone had seen anything suspicious. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
We collected information from people within that community. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
We visited every house in Clynderwen, Maenclochog... | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
..and the surrounding areas for any information. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
Griff and Patti Thomas' deaths were all over the media. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
Reporters from Wales and London visited Llangolman. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Murders in rural parts of the country were very rare. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
Many locals were concerned a murderer was on the loose. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
People were more apprehensive and careful. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
They would lock doors and use door bolts. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
People were aware of some sort of fear... | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
..that existed due to these murders. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
The owner of the local garage in Llangolman has always lived locally. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
Denley Absalom remembers the local opinion... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
..that someone had broken into the Thomases home. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
The house is isolated and as in a very lonely spot. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
You're not in the village itself. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
You're lucky if you see two or three houses within a quarter of a mile. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
It was a lonely spot. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
According to police investigations, the brother and sister died ... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
..sometime during the evening of Tuesday December 7th, 1976. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
How and why remained a mystery. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Locals believed they kept substantial amounts of money in the house. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
Dad would buy cattle from them and it would always be in cash. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
Dad rented the land and it would always have to be in cash. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
Dad would sometimes find it difficult to get the cash... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
..but they wouldn't accept a cheque. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
The investigation intensified... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
..after the police discovered over £2,600. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
The police started to doubt whether this was a robbery after all. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
There was money left in the house. Miss Thomas' purse was on the bench. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
If someone wanted to steal... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
..the purse is the first thing they'd have taken. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
There was also more money in the house. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
That doesn't mean that nothing else was stolen. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
We couldn't find anything that had disappeared... | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
..but the person might have been scared after what happened... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
..and killed them without stealing anything. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
You couldn't close the book and say that's exactly what happened. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
The post-mortem report on Griff Thomas' body... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
..showed he had died due to burns. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
His sister died due to head injury. She'd been struck by a weapon. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:24 | |
The police examined a fountain next to the house. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
They examined everything within a two-mile radius of the farmhouse... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
..but they never discovered a weapon. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Don't forget there was a fire. A wooden weapon could have burnt. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
It was part of a big jigsaw in which some small pieces were missing. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
By trawling through old newspapers... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
..we discovered the investigation had changed direction. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Within a few weeks, the police had solved the msytery. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
A double-murder investigation was launched. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Griff and Patti Thomas' bodies were discovered in December 1976. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Three weeks later in the local newspaper, Tivyside... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
..Pat Molloy, the detective leading the investigation, says this... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
"What I am hoping to be able to do is to persuade a coroner's jury..." | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
"..that no third party was involved." | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Within a few weeks, the investiagtion's focus had changed. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
Griff Thomas was now being accused of killing his sister. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
Why would Griff Thomas kill a sister he'd lived with for 70 years? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
For some reason, they'd argued. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Mr Thomas killed Miss Thomas and tried to eradicate all evidence... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
..and his own body by killing himself and starting a fire. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
According to those who knew them best... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
..the brother and sister had lived happily throughout their lives. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
They wouldn't argue. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Not at all. Never. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Not in the time that my father and I were there. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
My father had always known them. Never. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It's fair to say the majority of people we've spoken to... | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
..disagree that Griff Thomas... | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
..killed his sister in the home they'd shared for 70 years. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
Other locals believe they need to keep an open mind... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
..and Patti Thomas could've been killed by her brother... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
..during a family dispute. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Pat Molloy and his team questioned over 1,200 people. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
Many believe the investiagtion was ended too soon. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
It had all happened, been cleared and the inquest had been closed... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
..in very little time. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
If this sort of thing had happened in Liverpool or London... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
..the inquiry would have gone on for ages. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
This all passed in little time. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
The police removed 174 items from the house for examination. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
They took over 150 statements. They were satisfied with the evidence. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
The inquest into their deathh was held in Haverfordwest. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
On February 17th, 1977, two months after their deaths... | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
..a jury decided that Patti Thomas had died due to manslaughter. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
An open verdict was recorded in the case of her brother, Griff. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
Following the inquest, auctioneer Richard Sykes and his colleagues... | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
..cleared the house before putting it for sale. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
He says the state of the house, even after the police had cleaned it... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
..makes him believe the inquest didn't reach the truth. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
It doesn't relate to the circumstances we saw there. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
I don't believe that... | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
I think it was more of an acknowledgement... | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
..that they failed to find evidence of a third party. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
He raises the question... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
..that someone else could have visited Ffynnon Samson that evening. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
Do you think there was an intruder there? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
I think that's my conclusion, my belief. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
That was just a feeling I had. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
I think it was shared pretty generally among the community. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Griff Thomas was last seen alive in the village shop... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
..late on Tuesday afternoon, December 7th. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
The man who discovered his body has told Taro Naw... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
..that the police told him the cheese and newspaper the pensioner bought... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
..were still in his coat pocket when his body was discovered. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
The police told me they found them in his pocket. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
He hadn't even taken them out. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
The fact that the Western Mail and cheese were in his pocket... | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
The first thing you usually do is put the items on the table or chair. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
You wouldn't attack someone straight away. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
What happened behind these lonely doors on a December evening in 1976? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:09 | |
The police said nothing had been stolen, but was that accurate? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
Ipswich in Suffolk. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Five prostitutes were murdered here five years ago. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Forensic psychologist Dr Clive Sims assisted in profiling the murderer. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
He's looked at the evidence from Llangolman. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
He believes someone went there to steal. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
There was an empty cash box. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
The bureau appears to have been broken in. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
The back door is unlocked. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
And certain aspects of it simply do not make sense. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
No-one can be certain that someone had searched through the bureau... | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
..but the police report noted they never discovered the bureau's key. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
John Cooper was imprisoned for life back in May... | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
..for two double murders in Pembrokeshire in the '80s. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
A huge collection of keys from houses he'd broken into... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
..were discovered in his home. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
We'll be questioning whether John Cooper has the key to these murders? | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
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In 1976, a police investigation concluded... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
..that Griff Thomas had killed his sister, Patti... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
..at their home in Llangolman, Pembrokeshire. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Is that what really happened? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
After murderer John Cooper was jailed in May... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
..for murdering siblings Richard and Helen Thomas in 1985... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
..and Peter and Gwenda Dixon in 1989... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
..there is growing suspicion that Griff Thomas was wrongly accused. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
The police believe Griff killed his sister in the kitchen... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
..and carried her into the parlour. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
The 73-year-old suffered from rheumatism and had a bad back. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
According to many, it's impossible he murdered his sister. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
He could never have destroyed the house. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
I used to sit next to Griff in the chapel. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
He had such bad arthritis in his fingers... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
..that he could never find the right page in the hymn book. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
I would have to find the right page for him. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
In the mid-80s, Crimewatch appealed for information... | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
..following the murders of siblings Richard and Helen Thomas... | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
..at Scoveston Park in Pembrokeshire in December, 1985. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
25 years later, John Cooper was jailed for life for the muders. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
Dad said at the time he thought the same person had done it... | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
..because it was a similar incident. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
Another lonely farmhouse... | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
..and another brother and sister who kept money in the house. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
A fire had also been started. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Is there a connection between Scoveston and Llangolman? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
There are so many similar factors. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Is that the missing piece in the jigsaw? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
You think it is and then you think it isn't. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
There wasn't a robbery, no gun. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
There was a gun at Scoveston, but there wasn't in Llangolman. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Why did he use a gun in one place? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Some factors are very different, yet some bring it all together. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
The police failed to find any forensic evidence... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
..to prove that another person was at Ffynnon Samson... | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
..the night Griff and Patti Thomas died. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
We discovered documents that show how John Cooper targeted places to rob. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:29 | |
He also ensured he didn't leave any traces of a crime. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
We've seen a list of burglaries associated with John Cooper... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
..between 1983 and 1996. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
They all share many common factors. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
He often targeted isolated, rural houses... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
..and there was very little forensic evidence. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
The police collected 430 fingerprints at Ffynnon Samson. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
All apart from two belonged to Griff and Patti Thomas. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
The other two couldn't be proven. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
It could have been Mr Thomas as his hand was injured in the fire. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
It could be someone... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
There was one on the sewing machine. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
That could be someone who'd helped Miss Thomas sew something. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
It could be that simple. We don't know. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
If someone was arrested and that was their fingerprint... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
..I'd accept it was them. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Based on the evidence at the time... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
..I think the correct conclusion was reached. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
The police believed Griff Thomas burnt to death... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
..but there was a pool of blood next to him and he had a cracked skull. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:43 | |
Griff Thomas' blood was also found on the sewing machine. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
According to the expert who looked at the case for Taro Naw... | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
..there are other significant clues relating to the sewing machine. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
Mr Thomas' blood was found on the sewing machine... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
..and yet the cover was put on the sewing machine. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
This suggests someone else was at the scene of the crime. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
If someone else was there, who was it? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
Is there room to believe there's a connection between John Cooper... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
..the man responsible for murdering Richard and Helen Thomas... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
..and the deaths of Griff and Patti Thomas? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
There are enough similarities between the crimes... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
..which would suggest... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
..that he may be at least considered to be a suspect in this case. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:44 | |
In 1965, 20-year-old John Cooper was jailed for six months... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
..for trampling over a man on the ground. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
He attacked a police officer the previous year. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
He didn't have a criminal record between 1965 and 1983. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
Cooper was 40 years old at he time of the Scoveston murders in 1985. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
What about the previous years? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
It's quite probable, in fact... | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
..that he would have been offending earlier... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
..because it would be extremely unusual... | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
..for someone to start that late in life on a criminal career... | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
..and that they would start with that level of violence. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
The inquest into Griff and Patti Thomas' deaths at Ffynnon Samson... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
..concluded a dispute lead to their deaths. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
The police also recognised there was a suspicious element to the case. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
There were some missing pieces to the jigsaw. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Yes, but you never get a complete jigsaw in any investigation. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
There were one or two more missing pieces here. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
I think that was highlighted to the jury at the inquest. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
They were told the evidence was incinsistent. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Pat Molloy, who lead the investigation... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
..was completely satisfied he had reached the right conclusion. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Will the police reopen the case following John Cooper's imprisonment? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
Dyfed-Powys Police refused to be interviewed. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
In a statement, they said they're in contact with the family. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
They added that they have assessed various documents... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
..and there currently isn't a clear connection with John Cooper. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
The man who discovered Griff Thomas' burnt body... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
..in his kitchen back in December 1976 has many questions. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Nigel Rossiter believes the case should be reopened. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
I would say yes, definitely now, because no murder weapon was found. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
I can't see myself or anyboby... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Your mind must be absolutely a blank... | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
..if you think you can burn yourself at 70, 73. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
A youngster wouldn't burn himself and lie in a fire. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Taro Naw has spoken to many forensic experts... | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
..who've said it's highly unusual... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
..for someone to commit suicide by burning themself. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Clive Sims says he doubts the credibility of the inquest's jury. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I would think they're unsafe. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
I feel that there would be a substantial case... | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
..for looking at this particular crime again as a cold case. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
This is the spot where... | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Griff and Patti Thomas' minister was shocked by their deaths. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
For many in Llangolman... | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
..the scars of the past are still very much alive in their memories. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
It was very difficult for me as a new, young minster back then... | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
..to undertake the work and officiate the funeral. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Above everything else... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
..there was a sense of sadness and loss. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
Griff Thomas was buried... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
..with an investigation concluding he'd killed the sister... | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
..he'd lived with for 70 years. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
For many who knew him well, that was impossible. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
He was wrongly blamed. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
Everyone who knew them has never believed that. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
He was someone I'd known throughout my life. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
He'd lived a quiet life. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
He could never have done it. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
That's all for tonight. Taro Naw will be back next Monday. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
Thanks for watching, good night. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
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