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Good evening and welcome to Taro Naw. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
# We don't want incineration... # | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Downing Street, a fortnight ago. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Protesters present a petition opposing plans... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
..to build a waste incinerator near Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
It's awful to think they want to put the thing in our area. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
The money going into this won't be spent in the town. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
US company Covanta Energy are the developers. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Tonight, Taro Naw travels to the US... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
..and hears the company has been fined... | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..for breaking environmental rules. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
How can people trust you when you say, "There isn't a problem... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
"..this is clean, this is fine," when you violate rules? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
First of all, failure is not acceptable to us. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
When you put the bins out to be collected... | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
..do you ever wonder what happens to the rubbish? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
One way to get rid of it is to incinerate it... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
..but not everyone welcomes that. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
In Merthyr Tydfil right now, there is a battle... | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
..to try and stop the building of an incinerator. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Owain Clarke has travelled to the Valleys and the US to investigate. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
Welcome to Merthyr Tydfil, an area with a rich industrial heritage. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
In the 29th century, this was the world's iron capital. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
And after iron, came coal, as the industry grew and then shrank. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
But while the industrial excitement of the past has long gone... | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
..plans to create a new industry here has caused plenty of commotion. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
There's an application for a waste incinerator to be built... | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
..which will create electricity at a site four miles from here... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
..in the centre of town. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
If the application is passed... | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
..it will be among the biggest in Britain. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
But there's been a prickly response from some locals to the plans. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
The aim is to develop this 30-acre site in Brig y Cwm.... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
..halfway between Merthyr and Rhymney. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Alan Williams is among those fiercely opposed to the scheme. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
The site, the building, is bigger than the Millennium Stadium. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
The chimney is over 100m. It's 130 or 115m high. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
It will be seen virtually across south Wales. It's far too big. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
If they need this, they should put them across Wales... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
..so the rubbish can be dealt with in their area. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
But it's not just the size of the development that bothers him. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
If you look around here, you can't see many houses... | 0:02:56 | 0:03:02 | |
..but thousands of people live within a mile and a half. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
The question of how to deal with rubbish is timely. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Traditionally, the contents of the bin went to landfill sites... | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
..but they are filling up and councils can be fined... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
..if they send too much waste to landfill. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
But the Welsh Government's waste policy recommends incineration... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
..to create electricity if waste cannot be recycled. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
This is being considered at Brig y Cwm. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
The aim would be to incinerate around 750,000 tonnes every year. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
The waste would otherwise have been buried at landfill sites. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
The incineration would of course produce electricity... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
..enough to supply the needs of Merthyr Tydfil and Caerphilly... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
..according to the company. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
But while the electricity could supply other areas... | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
..the opposition spreads further afield, to Blaenau Gwent. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
Meryl Darkins has lived in Tredegar for twenty years. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
She suffers from a lung condition and takes ten tablets each morning. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
She's worried about what could be emitted by the chimneys. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
Traditionally and historically, the area has been industrial. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Now we've got unemployment, but at least we have clean air to breathe. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
But once this happens... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
..there will be more pollution in the air every day. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
The levels at energy waste sites are monitored carefully. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
Dioxins are one of the chemical groups that are emitted. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
If the levels are high enough, they can cause diseases such as cancer. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
But low levels are emitted from incinerators... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
..like the one being considered for the valley. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
According to the Health Protection Agency... | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
..modern incinerators don't have a measurable impact on health. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
But that doesn't calm the fears of Meryl Darkins. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Every time I have a cold, I take ages to recover. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
I never recover fully. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Whenever there are dioxins or something like that... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
..they have the same effect on my lungs. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
I will be more ill than I was before. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
If you want to see what is being proposed... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
..you have to travel some way. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
More than 3,000 miles to be exact, to New Jersey in the USA. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
Covanta is based in the industrial cauldron of this state. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
The company wants to build the incinerator on the open cast site. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
Across America, Covanta operates more than 40 incinerators. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
That includes this one in Rahway. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Inside the building, they deal with tons of rubbish. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
In this large hall, Paul Gilman explains the preparation process. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
He says they do their best to separate what can be recycled. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
Next, the incineration process. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Covanta says the temperature and air is carefully regulated. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
First of all you check the air and create enough turbulence... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
..that it's a good burn, a thorough burn. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
A minimum amount of smoke and that sort of thing. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Then you have your air pollution control equipment... | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
..to take care of what does come out. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
This is the control room. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
This is where they regulate the electricity being produced... | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
..and the chemicals being released. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
The company says the technology is one of the cleanest ways... | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
..of producing electricity, cleaner than coal and oil production. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
The company insists there is no longer any cause for concern... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
..over dioxin emissions. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
The amounts going out are much less than they have been in the past. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:26 | |
Dioxin emissions would be about what ten families might create... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
..if they burned their trash in the backyard. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
What about those who are familiar with the incinerators? | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
Phillip Davies worked up the road of this incinerator for decades. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
He believes the people of New Jersey generally welcome them... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
..because of waste problems. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
These large tips looked like the coal tips we had in South Wales. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
This is a way of getting rid of waste by incinerating it. | 0:07:54 | 0:08:00 | |
As a scientist, Phillip doesn't worry much about what is released. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:07 | |
If I had to live close to the incinerator... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
..of course I would think twice about the place. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
But generally, as far as the toxic residues are concerned... | 0:08:18 | 0:08:24 | |
..it wouldn't be a problem for me. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
But they are a problem for others. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
Professor Paul Connett is a worldwide expert on waste. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
He campaigns against incineration sites which create energy. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
He says the USA are a step ahead of Britain. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
No new development has been passed here for almost 15 years. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
He says this is a good thing considering the dangers... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
..he argues are connected to the microscopic nano-particles... | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
..which are released without restrictions. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Give me a break! | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Where's the science here? Where's the responsibility here? | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Where's the solution to nano-particles? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
It's almost as if, if you don't look, you don't find... | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
..and without regulation, nothing could be happening. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
But what we know, and I'm sure it's true in Merthyr... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
..the more solid particles that you have in the air... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
..the higher the respiratory problems, the death rate... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
..the higher the sickness rate. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
That's with particles which are much larger than nano-particles. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
If that's the existing situation, introducing nano-particles... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
..is going to make the health situation worse. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Professor Connett also argues... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
..that the economic argument for incinerators is over-exaggerated. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
You'll find that this town of Merthyr Tydfil... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
..will be importing waste from miles around. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
You'll be perceived as the dump city in Wales. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
That's the last thing you want. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
In the face of the recession... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
..many in Merthyr are thinking of the economy. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Geraint Meaker runs a building business with is father. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
The politicians don't care what happens in Merthyr. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
They should come up to see the current state of the town. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
There's no money here, being spent in the town. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Why should they make it even worse? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Unemployment in Merthyr is among the highest in Wales. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
Covanta claim the incinerator could be a valuable investment. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
They've estimated that building work would create around 600 jobs... | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
..and around 80 people would work at the incinerator. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Some have their doubts. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
The people who'll receive the money won't live here. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
The people who'll work there will come from England. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
They say that jobs will be created, but who'll get them? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
According to Geraint's father, Phil Meaker... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
..the standard of work is also important. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
The people of Merthyr deserve something better. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
We've lost jobs in the coal mines. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Factories such as Hoover have closed down. There's nothing now. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
They need to attract money into the town, so young people can get jobs. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
Taro 9's investigation will continue after the break. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
We'll visit a town... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
..where a part of Covanta's site was temporarily closed... | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
..following the release of double the amount of permitted dioxins. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
The city of Newark in New Jersey. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Covanta Energy's headquarters is in this state. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
The company wants to develop... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
..one of Britain's biggest waste disposal plants near Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
Here, you get a good view of the incinerator. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
That's the New Jersey Turnpike going behind it. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
If you ever drive... | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
Ana Baptista was raised locally in Ironbound. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
This is the location of Covanta's biggest incinerator in the state. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
As part of her work for the Ironbound Community Corporation... | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
..she campaigns against the site. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
She holds weekly tours around the local industrial areas. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
She says the area is an easy target for dirty developments. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
Because our community doesn't have the same wealth and resources... | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
..as many other communities... | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
..we are less able to fight off the undesirable uses... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
..and attract the kinds of development we'd like to see. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
We're vulnerable, in political and economic terms... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
..to undesirable uses... | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
..that other communities can protect themselves against. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
The group was so concerned... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
..about the substances being released from the incinerator... | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
..they prosecuted Covanta in 2007. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
After two years of failed discussions, the case went to court. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
The group claimed Covanta broke environmental regulations... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
..between 2002 and 2008, under the Clean Air Act. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
William Schulte was their legal representative. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
There would be at least a few hundred... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
..of the six-minute intervals... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
..where they would be emitting a substance... | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
..in excess of what they're allowed to emit. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
How serious they were, it sorts of runs the gamut. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
Some exceed by only 2% or 3%, others you're running up to 15%. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:56 | |
Those are the more serious violations. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
The two sides came to agreement last year... | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
..without Covanta accepting any responsibility. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
They did agree to install new equipment to control gas... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
..and to pay over 800,000 for a new park in Ironbound. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
Covanta claims the rules were broken when anther company ran the site... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
..and things have changed since they took over in 2005. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
We'd already set about improving the performance of that facility... | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
..and happily, the performance has been improving over time. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
I think even the Ironbound Corporation would say... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
..it's a different operation today compared to five or six years ago. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
If the people of Newark feel they're being targeted by dirty industries... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
..and that sentiment is echoed in Merthyr. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
One of Europe's largest opencast coal mines... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
..and landfill site, Trecatti, are a stone's throw away from the town. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
Builder Phil Meaker and his son, Geraint... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
..believe the town is an easy target for Covanta. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
This doesn't happen in areas such as Oxford or Hampstead Heath. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
They think they can do this... | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
..due to the high unemployment figures in the Valleys. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
It's like a carrot on a stick. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
They think we'll accept anything, if there are a few jobs. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Covanta Energy's UK Managing Director disagrees. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
He argues the Merthyr site was chosen above tens of other sites... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
..as it has a railway nearby, amongst other reasons. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
We have to have ready access to power export. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
We don't like to be immediately adjacent to houses. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
We're about 1.5 kilometres away from the nearest dwelling... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
..and, principally, the rail links. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Back in the US, Covanta's problems stretch beyond New Jersey. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
I'm heading to Connecticut and after a two-hour journey along the coast... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
..I arrive at Wallingford. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
In July 2010, an emissions test showed... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
..that the level of dioxins released from a nearby incinerator... | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
..was over 250% higher than the permitted level. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Covanta decided to close part of the site for a year to investigate. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
I met one concerned local resident. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
If there was no harm being posed to the general population... | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
..why was one third of the plant shut for a year? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
If it wasn't harmful, why didn't the plant just continue running? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
One of Bob Gross's weekly duties is maintain the Jewish cemetery... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
..a stone's throw from the site. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
He's concerned about the effect on people's health. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
If you're emitting chemicals such as dioxins, cadmium, lead, mercury... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
..into the atmosphere... | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
..and people are ingesting these chemicals in small amounts... | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
..you have to assume that somebody is getting ill from this. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
Last year's incident is no exception. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
Three years earlier in 2007... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
..there was another case related to chemicals released into the air... | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
..above this town. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
The dioxin levels were too high in that case too. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
As a result, the Office of the Attorney General... | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
..and the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection... | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
..brought a court order against the site. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
The magnitude of the violation, the dioxins that were emitted... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
..were two and a half times that of the 2007 incident. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Also the frequency came into play. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Two violations within three years caused us more concern. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
Connecticut's Department of Environmental Protection says... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
..that even though public health wasn't threatened... | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
..the case was considered serious. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
The two sides reached agreement in July... | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
..and the company had to pay a 400,000 fine... | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
..and increase the frequency of emission testing on the site. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Covanta blamed old technology. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
How can people trust what you say when you violate rules? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
First of all, failure is not acceptable to us. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
We are our own biggest critics, as far as we're concerned. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
We set about making sure that we corrected the problem. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
We in fact were the ones in both cases... | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
..that discovered the problem, reported the problem... | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
..and set about fixing the problem. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
The first people we called after we called the regulatory agency... | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
..was the local town officials and the newspapers... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
..to let them know what had happened. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Many things became apparent as I travelled America. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
According to official records, Covanta's paid thousands in fines. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
The company insists the majority of problems have been inherited... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
..and don't derive from the incinerators they've built. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
According to the company, they abide by the rules 99.9% of the time. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
Whilst referring to Covanta's site in Rahway... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
..where rules have also been broken... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
..Paul Gilman raises questions about the US system... | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
..of monitoring emissions over very short periods of time. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
If this facility had been located in the EU... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
..those violations would not have even constituted violations. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
So the way plants are regulated in the EU is different. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
I'm not saying it's worse. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
I'd argue it's very scientifically sound, but it is different. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Are you blaming the regulatory regime in the US for being too picky? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
I wouldn't say it's more strict, it's different. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
They're more focused on very short-term violations... | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
..whereas the EU is interested... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
..in the longer-term health of the facility. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Covanta agreed to provide details and plans of the site on their website. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
The Environment Agency will also keep a close eye. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
We would really expect to be within our compliance limits... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
..100% of the time. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
It's always possible over the life of a facility... | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
..that you could exceed for 30 minutes at some point. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
Over a year, when we look at our emission over a year... | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
..we operate well below the levels of exeedance we're allowed. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
According to Professor Paul Connett... | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
..a change in mindset is needed when it comes to treating waste. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
We should not be spending a fortune destroying finite materials. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
We should stop making materials... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
..packaging and products, that have to be destroyed. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
A fortnight ago, a petition signed by 13,000 people... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
..was presented in Downing Street by those who oppose Brig y Cwm. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
The decision of whether or not to approve the site... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
..is currently in the hands of the Infrastructure Planning Commission. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Westminster MPs, however, could make the final decision. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:50 | |
The people of Merthyr and surrounding areas... | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
..are determined that it doesn't come. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
We hope that the Prime Minister and Chris Huhne... | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
..listen to the people of Merthyr and Rhymney. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
A final decision on Brig y Cwm is expected next year. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
It's a £400 million investment in Merthyr... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
..which will be one of the largest inward investments in Wales... | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
..for several years and it'll create jobs. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
It's environmentally beneficial, as far as we're concerned. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
It's the best way of dealing with our residual waste. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
It's a great plus for Merthyr. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
We're trying to help Merthyr reinvest in its future. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
What's that? Moo. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Moo. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Others aren't as hopeful about the area's future. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
Geraint Meaker is concerned... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
..about how the emissions will affect his children. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
It makes me question... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
..whether I want to stay in Merthyr for the rest of my life. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
My business is here, but do I want my children to be raised here? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
Many youngsters are already leaving the area. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
It'll be like a ghost town because no-one will be living here. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
That's it for tonight. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
We're back at the same time next week. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Thanks for watching, goodnight. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
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