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Good morning. There has been a lot in the papers about a certain | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
prospective bride, and the scathing criticism she received by e-mail | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
from her prospective stepmother in law, who told her her behaviour was | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
staggering in its uncouthness and lack of grace, and that she had | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
behaved so badly, that she had left the family dog depressed and | :00:56. | :01:05. | |
anxious. But I'm slightly with Bomber, I have to say. The motto is | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
nec Habeo, nec careo, nec curo, which translates as, I have not, I | :01:08. | :01:16. | |
lack not, I care not. This story I suspect is not over yet. Joining me | :01:16. | :01:26. | |
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today for our review of the papers is the Labour peer Helena Kennedy, | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
Chris Blackhurst and Rupert Gavin. Let's kick off today with the | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
editorial in the Sunday Telegraph which says this morning that the | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
quality of care dispensed in Britain to old people, who are no | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
longer able to live independently, is often abysmal. It goes on to | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
talk about the thousands of people taken to hospital every year | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
because of starvation or dehydration. This story of neglect | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
ought to worry almost every family in Britain. Today, we are joined by | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
the Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley. We have not heard a lot | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
from him since the U-turn on the health reforms. I will be talking | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
to him about the future of social care. Also today, the first major | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
television interview with the man who has been appointed to oversee | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
me - and everybody else working for the BBC. I will be asking the new | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
chairman of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten, what sort of BBC will | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
emerge after the most severe cuts in the history of the organisation. | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
And American Independence Day is being marked in London tomorrow | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
with the unveiling of a statue of Ronald Reagan, who would have been | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
100 this year. Barack Obama is now amongst those paying tribute to the | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
way that Ronald Reagan gave America herself confidence back. Today | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
William will be hearing from his chief speech writer, Peggy Noonan, | :02:52. | :03:02. | |
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who gave him many of his best lines, including one in the aftermath of | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
the space shuttle explosion. As they prepared for their journey | :03:07. | :03:17. | |
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and waved goodbye, and slipped the surly bonds off the earth to touch | :03:17. | :03:27. | |
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Talks will be taking place on the publication of the Gill Nott | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
commission's report tomorrow, which will outline how much people should | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
pay towards their own care. Growing old may be virtually guaranteed, | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
but the level of care we could get is anything but. 20,000 people are | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
thought to have to sell their homes every year to pay for it. It is a | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
highly emotive political topic. Within 24 hours, this man will | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
publish his recommendations on how the ageing population should be | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
cared for in the future. He is expected to suggest a cap on | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
payments for personal care, somewhere between �30,000 and | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
somewhere between �30,000 and �50,000, with the idea being that | :04:07. | :04:17. | |
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With that in mind, 26 charities are urging politicians to agree on a | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
con-trick timetable for reform. Among the requests, a plea to get | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
together for talks, regardless of politics. Last month, the Labour | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
leader offered to hold cross-party talks with David Cameron and Nick | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
Clegg on the issue. Experts suggest reform could lead to insurance | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
companies offering new schemes to cover care costs, but a cap may | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
force the Treasury to find an extra �2 billion a year. Previous | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
attempts to reform the system have not taken off. With 1.5 million | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
over-85s in the UK, and that figure expected to rise further, it is a | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
political issue which will get more and more prominent. | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
The Prime Minister has been warned by one of his government | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
departments that plans for benefits cuts could make 40,000 people | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
homeless and could even cost more money than it saves. The letter was | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
written by a senior civil servant at the Department for Communities | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
and Local Government, and has been leaked to a Sunday newspaper. | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
Downing Street says the letter is old. | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Half-a-million children in England could be at risk of developing | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
life-threatening liver disease because they are overweight, | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
according to one of the Government's health advisers. | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
Professor Martin Lombard says thousands of four- to 14-year-olds | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
could already have the early stages of fatty liver disease. It | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
increases the risk of heart attack or stroke. David Haye has lost his | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
world heavyweight title fight to the Ukrainian Wladimir Klitschko. | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
They lasted 12 rounds, but the judges unanimously voted in favour | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
of Wladimir Klitschko. More than 40,000 people had gathered in | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
Hamburg to watch the fight. David Haye blamed the loss on his broken | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
Haye blamed the loss on his broken baby toe. | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
I genuinely believed I could win the fight. I have been having local | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
anaesthetic in my toe. The whole idea was, fight night, anaesthetise | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
it, the crowd, the adrenalin, the occasion, I will be able to ignore | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
it. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will continue their tour | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
of Canada today, in the province of Quebec. They were heckled by a | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
small group of anti-monarchists as they toured the Children's Hospital | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
in Montreal. Some chanted, French Quebec, others shouted, down with | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
the monarchy. After two days of being welcomed | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
like rock stars, this was a different but not surprising | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
reception in French-speaking Montreal, for Canada's future king | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
and Queen. This is a small, noisy demonstration by a radical group | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
who want an independent state of Quebec. Two years ago, when Prince | :07:18. | :07:27. | |
Charles was here, protesters fought with riot police. | :07:27. | :07:37. | |
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The message is that clear - William, Clear off. The protesters were | :07:37. | :07:46. | |
vocal, but so, too, were those who had come to welcome to Royal Couple. | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Inside the hospital, William and Kate were meeting some of the | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
children who were being treated here. The royals, who do not yet | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
have servants, then got stuck in at a catering college. Montreal is | :08:02. | :08:11. | |
known for its food. William's not known for his cooking skills. | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
Having dined on what they had helped to cook, they boarded a | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
frigate to sail to Quebec City, their next stop in a province which | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
endlessly debates whether or not it wants to sever its links with the | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
rest of Canada, and with the British crown. | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
That's all from me for now. I will be back with the headline just | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
before 10 o'clock. The front pages today... The | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
observer has got a story saying the leaked letter suggests 40,000 | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
people might be made homeless by the welfare cuts. The Sunday | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
Telegraph has Ed Miliband offering a truce to the Conservatives and | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
Liberal Democrats in relation to care for the elderly. And Thorntons, | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
the high street chocolate company, are closing hundreds of shops. The | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Sunday Times has a story about the Olympics boss being paid a secret | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
cache. The Independent on Sunday has a special report from the Horn | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
of Africa about the famine there, which it says has been and a | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
reported around the world. And the Mail on Sunday is having a go at | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
Prince Charles, saying that he has had nine meetings in 10 months with | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
senior ministers, and he is interfering too much. Thank you all | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
for joining us this morning. Let's start with you, Helena Kennedy. | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
the front of the observer, there is this story about the welfare cuts, | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
and the Ryzhkov 40,000 people being made homeless. It is an old letter, | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
but it is one of those things where you have a policy which has not | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
been thought through, and suddenly, the ministry starts realising what | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
the fall-out will be. This is about the Department of Eric Pickles | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
letting the Prime Minister know that actually, if you put a cap on | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
welfare benefits, you will end up with a whole number of people being | :10:13. | :10:22. | |
homeless. This is specifically housing costs? Absolutely. We | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
always knew this was going to be an issue in the south. Absolutely, | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
housing costs have gone through the roof. It is one of those things | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
where this raft of cuts, they all looked great in terms of telling | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
the public how we're going to deal with welfare scroungers and so on, | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
but many people will be feeling the impact of this. Local councils will | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
have to pick up the bill. It is going to be very costly, in terms | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
of the social fabric. And yet Labour are not yet cutting through | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
very clearly, even on the cuts issue. I think you have got a story | :10:58. | :11:08. | |
about Ed Miliband, Chris Blackhurst... I have just read this, | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
and it made me laugh, but then I thought, there is a really serious | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
point. He gives the same answer five times to five different | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
questions. You start laughing halfway through because you realise | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
he's talking like a robot. It is the same answer, the same phrases, | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
the same words, and you read it and you think, what is he doing? But | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
there is a serious point, the public want the Labour leader to | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
stand for something. If he gives the same answer five times, you | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
wonder what is going on. problem is the headline immediately | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
above... You have got Ed Miliband, presumably with advisers, telling | :11:50. | :11:58. | |
him, for God's sake don't sound as if you are too pro-trade unions. | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
You have to make sure the message is not separated out, and so he | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
feels he has to give this standard answer, which has got to keep | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
everybody happy, but keeps nobody happy. But the real thing is that | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
there are still people, the old Blairites, who insist he does not | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
do anything which is too supportive of the public sector, and they | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
really have designs on bringing somebody else in. You would not say | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
that things are going well at the moment? No, because I think Labour | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
should be absolutely clear about the way these cuts will affect the | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
fabric of our society. I think we keep talking about an ideologically | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
driven Conservative Party which is going to shrink what government can | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
do for all of us. It is not just the poorest, it is going to be | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
about the lives of everybody. I think Labour have something to say | :12:48. | :12:56. | |
on that, and they are not saying it clearly enough. Overture first | :12:56. | :13:06. | |
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story, Rupert Gavin... Quebec, we have had some protests. We have the | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
Royal Family and Harry Potter as our key export industries. This was | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
the Kate and Wills brand going international. I must say, I think | :13:22. | :13:29. | |
it has gone phenomenally well, particularly for Kate. There is a | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
good contrast in the Sunday Times between when Charles and Princess | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
Di went there all those years ago, doing exactly the same thing, | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
planting a tree. You can see how the Royal Family has modernised | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
itself, because Kate, quite clearly, is better at handling a spade, and | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
looking very glamorous at the same time. This is part of the | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
phenomenal job being done to internationalise the Royal Family. | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
She's coming over as a kind of every woman. She is, and apart from | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
the boys, -- the poise, beauty and charm which she exudes, the fact is, | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
she represents the middle classes. This is the transition. Her name is | :14:15. | :14:23. | |
important. She is Middleton, and that is a critical clue. If | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
Upperton, I don't think the Canadians would have gone for it. | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
But Kate, and let's forget Catherine... I don't know why the | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
Palace wanted to call her Kaplan, because all five Queen Catherines | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
of this country have had a pretty troubled time. The other thing is, | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
they together seem to like each other. They talk to each other, | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
they have conversations. But even the Queen, you do not see how often | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
having a conversation with the Duke of Edinburgh. Let's turn to some of | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
the serious stuff, the economy. There's a story here, in the | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
observer, the demand to curb casino banking, which I'm in favour of | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
doing. But how it could split the coalition. We all remember that | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
Vince Cable was a big critic of the way in which the banks had been | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
working. He wanted to see a separation of retail and investment | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
banking, back to the old way of doing things. And how that is in | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
the interests of all of us, as taxpayers. Unfortunately, we have | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
got this thing that, no, they will all continue as before, but there | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
will be Chinese walls, the bankers themselves will regulate their own | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
behaviour - well, I think we have had too much of that already. But | :15:53. | :16:03. | |
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this is likely to cause a real After what happened in the NHS, we | :16:04. | :16:12. | |
don't know who will win these battles. Chris, you have another | :16:12. | :16:18. | |
take on this story. Why all the banking system is still in crisis, | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
while Greece is going up in flames, I'm afraid there is a spread on the | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
Mail on Sunday and devoted to the Governor of the Bank of England | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
going to Wimbledon five times. What is fantastic about this piece is | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
that they have choreographed his pictures with all the moments in | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
the crisis. While the Greek parliament was meeting, he was | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
sitting in the royal box with Mike Atherton. There is one of them with | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
his eyes closed. It gives all of the food he has been eating, tiger | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
prawns, marinated ginger chilli sauce... To be fair to Mervyn, he | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
is a member of the All England Club, he is entitled to do this, so why | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
not? On the other hand, from a PR point of view... So more should | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
have had a word. Exactly, once is enough. To be photographed five | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
times in the same week while the world as in financial crisis, it is | :17:18. | :17:28. | |
not good. It does not look good. One banker or ex-banker who has had | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
a lucky escape I suspect, Dominique Strauss-Kahn. It is a fascinating | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
story. The few weeks ago, he seemed to be down and out, yesterday's man, | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
if one believes the reports that are being written, the case seems | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
to be collapsing and you start to speculate can he come back? He | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
couldn't possibly, could he? It is very challenging but I wouldn't be | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
surprised. The French will see this as an American set-up, and he | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
becomes the hero from being the anti-hero. If you drill down to | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
what was going on in the hotel room, we mustn't going to too many | :18:13. | :18:23. | |
details, but it was not pleasant. The case with Christine Keeler was | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
the archetypal political Stander, and Jack lied about it saying there | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
was no impropriety at all. Dominique Strauss-Kahn has not yet | :18:35. | :18:42. | |
lied, and the politicians have learned that. We don't know that | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
yet, do we? He has been very careful in not denying that some | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
form of sexual encounter took place. Don't say that means he will come | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
back, but I think she has learnt the obvious lesson. It would be a | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
sad day for women if he comes back. That is not to say he is guilty of | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
having raped or not, because the presumption of innocence when down | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
the Swanee at the beginning of this and the coverage, it tells us a lot | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
about avoiding doing what the Americans do, but for women, if he | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
get away with this and goes back into government, what does it say | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
to women? What it means is you can be a prostitute and still be raped, | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
you can still be a person telling lie about your asylum and still be | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
raped. Let's move on from the question of one person's | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
electability to another's. In this case, Michel Bachman who is, | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
according to the Sunday Times, scooting up the opinion polls in | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
the United States. There is almost a profile of her hear, and I hadn't | :19:58. | :20:06. | |
realised just... This is Sarah Palin book with knobs on. -- book | :20:06. | :20:13. | |
with knobs on. She is incredibly right wing. She says the whole | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
business of global warming is a hoax, she thinks having health care | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
for the poor is a crime against democracy, she thinks President | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Obama is friendly with the terrorists. She is on the extreme | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
of the right wing, and yet apparently there is every chance | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
she might be up there. Scare me. Unbelievably scary. This is America. | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
Let's come home again and go to the high street. Chris, you have an | :20:40. | :20:49. | |
Independent on Sunday story. This is shocking. 300,000 shops have | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
closed, more to close. They publish a list of the chains under threat, | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
but what is going on here is not just recession, we have got the | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
whole change of online shopping, out-of-town shopping centres, and | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
all of this has happened at once. Really there is no solution to it. | :21:09. | :21:16. | |
One might be to somehow reduce the rent the shops are paying. At the | :21:16. | :21:26. | |
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moment they can only pay up words of rent reviews. Other -- otherwise | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
town centres are going to change forever. It is a tough time for you | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
to be taking over a newspaper. Do you think national newspapers will | :21:36. | :21:43. | |
be with us in 20 years' time? because we are sitting here now and | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
we are riveted. All these stories have come from newspapers, not from | :21:47. | :21:54. | |
Google, not from Facebook. We love newspapers. You presumably have got | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
your own plans for the paper? How have got plans but I am not going | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
to tell you them now. Come back and reveal all in due course. I hope so. | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
You have chosen the Wimbledon story, but we need to touch on Harry | :22:10. | :22:19. | |
Potter. Goodness me, it is another Independent story. Quite grim | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
posters of Harry Potter looking scary. It is called deathly Hallows | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
so you are not going to have a knees-up in the poster, are you? | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
This talks about the number of children who have been encouraged | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
to read by this Harry Potter phenomenon but I can't recall where | :22:36. | :22:45. | |
we have seen child actors growing up. Now they are adults. We did the | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
first premier of the Harry Potter film in November 2001, and this | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
week we are doing the premiere of the final one. Here we are, 10 | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
years in, inevitably the child actors have transformed into young | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
adults. And you have the longest red carpet anyone can remember in | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
London, is that right? Yes, we have the Guinness Book of Records status | :23:09. | :23:17. | |
for the longest red carpet. I hope it doesn't rain on your parade. | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
Tradition is it always rains on Harry Potter premiere nights. | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
you very much indeed. Glorious weather. Flaming June only | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
spluttered, but July has been golden, even if most of us only | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
glimpsed it on the telly through our fingers as we watched Andy | :23:35. | :23:44. | |
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Murray fight his annual Culloden. It is nice and simple for you this | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
week, basically it is another fine summer's day, a bit like yesterday. | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
There will be a lot of sunshine around, and with light winds it | :23:56. | :24:03. | |
will feel pleasantly warm. There is some cloud floating through the | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
Midlands, that should break up a bit. A lot of sunshine to enjoy it | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
in the south-west of England this afternoon, real warmth in that | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
sunshine as well. And very sunny in Wales, more cloud developing in the | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
east of the country. More cloud coming into Northern Ireland, but | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
still bright this afternoon. Feeling pleasantly warm, the same | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
across most of Scotland. Might get a spot of rain, the rest of | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
Scotland enjoying sunshine into the afternoon. Notice the sunshine near | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
the coastal areas, that is the sea breeze coming in. The cloud | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
developing will be inland, especially in the Midlands. Perfect | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
weather for the tennis at Wimbledon today. Another really warm day on | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
Monday with a lot of sunshine around, but on Tuesday we get a | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
band of rain coming in from the West followed by sunshine and | :24:57. | :25:07. | |
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So, how we are going to pay for better care for elderly people. We | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
are talking about basic things like help with washing, getting dressed, | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
eating, people in their own homes or care homes - almost everybody | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
seems to agree with the damning assessment by age UK that our | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
system is close to collapse. Not enough money is being spent, some | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
people are financed but many others fear they have to sell their houses | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
to pay for basic care. Tomorrow, a report will be published about this. | :25:38. | :25:45. | |
Right now, Andrew Lansley joins us from Cambridgeshire. Thank you for | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
joining us this morning. Can I start right away by asking whether | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
you also agree with Age UK that the system we have got at the moment to | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
care for elderly people in their homes or residential homes is | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
crumbling, close to collapse, and needs to be radically changed? | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
know we need change in order for it to be sustainable in the future, | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
and more to the point to deliver quality care. We knew last year | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
when we came into office that the system of supporting people with | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
care at home and in residential homes was in great difficulty. It | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
is why it in the spending review at the end of last year we made | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
substantial additional provision, a total of over �7 billion over four | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
years additionally through the grant to local authorities and | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
directed through the NHS. This year we are providing an extra �650 | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
million through the NHS directly to support help at home, things like | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
home adaptations and so on. The point made his affair one - we will | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
not be able to give people the quality of care and support and the | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
sense of security that they need in the future unless we have changed, | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
which is why last July as a government we asked Andrew Dilnot | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
and his colleagues to consider these issues of how we fund care in | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
the future. This report says innocence that most people are | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
going to have to get out some kind of new insurance to pay for their | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
care. People with savings will have to pay through insurance. But the | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
big debate seems to be if the government will accept there should | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
be a cap on how much people have to pay for their own care, at around | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
�50,000. Can you help on that - will that happen? Of course Andrew | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
Dilnot and his colleagues will produce their report tomorrow and I | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
will of course first give the government's response to that of | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
Parliament tomorrow, but I think Andrew Dilnot has set out very | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
clearly some of the shape of what he will say and I think we are | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
going to give it a very positive response. We are going to treat it | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
as the basis for engagement but it is part of the overall question | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
that needs to be answered. Andrew Dilnot's commission themselves make | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
clear there are a range of issues within their report the need to be | :28:19. | :28:27. | |
resolved. Where are captured be said, how it is to be paid for, | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
issues of the thresholds for example, how means testing should | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
apply to people in the future so they can contribute to the cost of | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
their care, and people in residential homes, may raise the | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
extent to which they should pay for their accommodation costs. There is | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
a range of issues inside the report, and the big question of course, | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
questions beyond it of how we deliver quality care, how we give | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
people proper protection and of course how these issues are to be | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
paid for. Quite a lot of people watching might think that, if they | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
get into terrible trouble in their old age with very basic things like | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
cleaning and feeding and so on, somehow the state will provide. But | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
that is not the case and it can't be the case, can it? Simply because | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
of the cost to the taxpayer of doing an NHS style universal | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
service. You raise an important question because what Andrew | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
Dilnot's research for his commission has shown very clearly | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
is that people are very confused about what it is that is provided | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
through care and support. Of course for those who have no income or | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
assets of their own, the state does provide but increasingly with the | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
financial pressures we are seeing that it is not at moderate levels | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
of need, only when they have really substantial need. If we carry on as | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
we are, we will have increasingly large numbers of people who are not | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
supported to be independent and to live comfortably at home, and they | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
are tending to fall into greater need and more cost to the state | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
later on. I think it is important for people to remember, if one has | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
no assets, the state is currently providing. If one needs health care, | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
the state is providing. If people's primary need is a healthy lead, | :30:23. | :30:31. | |
there will continue to be health care support. Just on Friday, a | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
report was produced for me and my colleagues on palliative care, end | :30:36. | :30:43. | |
of life care, and one of their recommendations is that where | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
people are right at the end of life, in order to join up health and | :30:47. | :30:53. | |
social care better, the government should take responsibility for the | :30:53. | :31:02. | |
When it comes to the social care issues that we were talking about | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
before, where do you stand on essentially the moral question of, | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
where people have got assets, houses, generally speaking, having | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
to sell those houses to pay for their care, rather than pass the | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
value of the house down to their family? Well, of course, at the | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
moment, we're in a situation where it is a terrible lottery. A quarter | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
of people have effectively no substantial care costs, whereas | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
there is another quarter where the costs exceed �60,000, and for one | :31:39. | :31:47. | |
in 10, it is more than �100,000. So effectively it is a lottery. | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
Through chance, some people may happen to have dementia in old age, | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
and they end up losing everything they have worked for in life. If | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
people are very rich, they can afford to pay. So, the focus of the | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
question of paying for care and support in old age does come down | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
to people who have assets, not necessarily very large amounts of | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
assets, but things that they have worked for and saved four, and what | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
we want to do, which Andrew Dilnot makes clear, is to make it possible | :32:20. | :32:26. | |
for people to prepare for their contribution to costs in old age, | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
through a partnership between the state and individuals, and for that | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
preparation to mean that people do not have a catastrophic loss of | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
everything they have worked for. You're not going to tell us about | :32:39. | :32:46. | |
the cap today, so let me therefore pursue a bit further on exactly | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
what the timing will be, and how you will approach it politically. | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
People will be worried about whether they will have to pay more | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
in the short term, and they will also see that the Labour leader, Ed | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
Miliband, wants to work with you, on a cross-party consensus. The | :33:03. | :33:11. | |
Labour Party's ideas, you guys had a really tough go at before the | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
election. But it is this something which you can get round the table | :33:16. | :33:24. | |
on? The first thing to say is, it is important, the reason why I | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
cannot comment, I have not received Andrew Dilnot's report, and I will | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
tell Parliament how we will proceed tomorrow. But it is important to | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
recognise that there are issues in the report that the public and | :33:38. | :33:48. | |
political parties together have a responsibility to consider. There | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
is the wider decision on which Andrew Dilnot does not make | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
recommendations, about how the costs are to be met. And we need to | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
set it in a wider context. Last month, David Cameron made it clear | :34:02. | :34:10. | |
that we would work with other parties. It is not just political | :34:10. | :34:18. | |
parties, we have got the representatives of older people and | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
carers' organisations as well. Let's move on to the national | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
Health Service U-turn. Do you now think you got your original plans | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
wrong? I do not think we got them wrong necessarily or that there was | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
a U-turn. But what was absolutely clear in March and April was that | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
many people had concerns, some of them may have been misplaced, but | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
others were genuine concerns, and there were issues where people felt | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
very strongly that there was scope to improve what we we are setting | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
out to do in the NHS. -- what we were setting out to do. This | :34:56. | :35:03. | |
improvement has produced... Let me just put to you the case which was | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
being made in the House of Commons, which was that this improvement has | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
come at the cost of a vast increase in bureaucracy. Shadow | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
commissioning groups, authorised commissioning groups, NHS clusters, | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
Public Health England, and, according to the Royal College of | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
GPs, the number of statutory organisations and a your changes | :35:27. | :35:35. | |
will rise from 163 to 521 organisations. The latter points | :35:35. | :35:42. | |
simply is not true. I would invite you to explain how complicated the | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
current NHS system is, and, as part of what we are proposing to do, we | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
will be taking two Hall tears of management out. But in the process | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
we will be using many of the existing organisations. Cancer | :35:58. | :36:08. | |
:36:08. | :36:12. | ||
networks currently exist, for example. Can you tell us how many | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
statutory organisations there will be in the NHS after your changes? | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
No, I can't, because the clinical commissioning groups which will be | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
established across England, the number will only be determined when | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
the local groups have come together in order to determine the best | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
geography for delivering services in their area. It could be 200, it | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
could be 250. The point is, they will determine that geography | :36:39. | :36:47. | |
themselves. But we're going to take whole tears of management out. We | :36:47. | :36:54. | |
need to cut administration in the NHS. We have reduced the number of | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
managers in the NHS by more than 4,000 and increased the number of | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
doctors by more than 2000. Let me ask knew about another story in the | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
news today, the government drive against obesity. We have seen some | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
fairly disgusting pictures of livers and other organs on our | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
television screens this morning. Do you think it is the government's | :37:15. | :37:23. | |
job to tell people what they should be eating? No, I think it is the | :37:23. | :37:28. | |
Government's job to help people to lead healthier lives. That's why in | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
the weeks ahead we will be going through a programme to support | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
people, not lecture them, to give families the opportunity with their | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
children to have a lot of additional physical activity during | :37:41. | :37:49. | |
the course of the summer. And it is national obesity week coming up, | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
and one important thing, which my colleagues are highlighting, is | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
that people may not realise the nature of the risks if children in | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
particular become seriously overweight. So, for example, people | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
think of fatty liver disease as something which is a consequence of | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
the abuse of alcohol, but actually, there are 60,010-year-olds who | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
could be at risk of developing fatty liver disease themselves if | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
they are too obese in the years to come. Thank you very much for | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
joining us. He was revered by many Americans, | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
reviled by some, but Ronald Reagan was certainly one of the most | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
charismatic leaders of the 20th century. He remains a powerful I | :38:32. | :38:42. | |
:38:42. | :38:44. | ||
can for US Republicans, and even for President Obama. He has invited | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
Ronald Reagan's widow to the White House, and even drawn comparisons | :38:48. | :38:58. | |
:38:58. | :39:01. | ||
between himself and Ronald Reagan. Joining me now, Ronald Reagan's | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
most influential speech writer, Peggy Noonan. Let's start with one | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
of the most memorable speeches the President ever made. | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honoured us by the way | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the | :39:29. | :39:39. | |
:39:39. | :39:41. | ||
face of God. Thank you. That was one of the very, very many moments | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
when President Reagan was able to cut through and reach people | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
emotionally, and you work very closely with him. I know a speech | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
writer has to work with the politician he or she is given, but | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
tell us a bit about that relationship. I will tell you | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
something special about those who worked with Ronald Reagan - we | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
never felt we were working with what we had been given. We felt we | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
had gone to work for a man we thought authentically great. By the | :40:09. | :40:18. | |
end of the era, we used to say, no great men are good men. But we felt | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
there was one great exception in history, and that was Ronald Reagan, | :40:21. | :40:27. | |
he was a good man. That speech, I should add, the day the space | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
shuttle Challenger blew up, losing all on board, including a teacher, | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
which upset President Reagan very much, that was the first thing he | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
said, the President put it at the end of the speech, the beautiful | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
words of the poet about slipping the surly bonds of earth and | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
touching the face of God. That was quite a day in the White House but | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
we had many such days, it was a dramatic time in history. | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
Absolutely. There seemed to be something about Ronald Reagan's | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
innate optimism. He reacted emotionally and directly to the | :41:06. | :41:13. | |
politics around him, but it seems to have been that optimism which | :41:13. | :41:20. | |
Americans today are reminiscing about. Yes, I think you're right, I | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
think his optimism was a kind of faith. And I think his faith was in | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
the ability - this sounds corny but it is what he believed - in the | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
ability of the American people to turn the country around at a | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
difficult time, and to help it and to make it better, as long as the | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
fetters of regulation and burdens that had been given by Washington | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
were removed. And so, he, like Mrs Thatcher, devoted himself very much | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
to trying to remove the burdens on the American people that he felt | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
had been imposed by a government far away, in this case Washington. | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
It is quite interesting that President Obama clearly feels that | :42:04. | :42:11. | |
he wants to learn from Republicans of the Ronald Reagan era. In some | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
ways he is in the same position, the economy is in trouble, he has | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
been hammered in the bid terms, which happened to Ronald Reagan as | :42:18. | :42:27. | |
well. But what do you think Obama is hoping to pick up? That's a good | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
question. In a brutal, political way, if 40% of the American people | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
are conservative, and 40% are liberal, a President is always | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
going for the middle. President Reagan had the middle, and still | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
has the middle. He is remembered by a 60% of the American people as a | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
great President. So it is never a bad idea to associate yourself with | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
that. Of course, he's trying to draw parallels between Obama's | :42:58. | :43:05. | |
predicament, in economics, and the predicament faced by Ronald Reagan. | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
But the two of them are going at the predicament from different | :43:08. | :43:15. | |
directions, which makes the parallel difficult. Watching some | :43:15. | :43:23. | |
of those clips, I kept thinking of The West Wing, because this sense | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
of somebody who really feels it, and finds those extraordinary words | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
at the right moment. I know you were very involved in The West Wing | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
- can you explain to ask what you were doing exactly? It was | :43:39. | :43:49. | |
:43:49. | :43:50. | ||
wonderful to work with the great Aaron Sorkin, who was the guiding | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
light behind that show. He would call me every now and then and | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
simply say, in a White House, if the President and press secretary | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
are having a disagreement about education policy, how might it play | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
out, what might be said? So, there were all sorts of things like that. | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
I sent him many ideas, I cannot claim he used a great number of | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
them. But it was a great show. me ask you about your party, the | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
Republicans, at the moment. There have been all sorts of questions | :44:23. | :44:30. | |
about who will run. So far, is there a Republican who can beat | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
President Obama? I happen to think, I will give you an opinion which is | :44:35. | :44:41. | |
a little apart from smart opinion... Smart opinion is that Obama will | :44:41. | :44:48. | |
win, for various reasons, including demographics etc. I do not think he | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
will. The way I look at it, is based is shaky, and the centre does | :44:54. | :45:00. | |
not love him. Love is an important word here. At the height of his | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
difficulties, George W Bush had people who would say, I cannot help | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
but love the guy. Bill Clinton had the same. One thing you never hear | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
about President Obama is, I cannot help but love the guy. For it is a | :45:16. | :45:26. | |
:45:26. | :45:27. | ||
cold admiration. I'm not sure, cool observation would be more like it, | :45:27. | :45:37. | |
:45:37. | :45:43. | ||
I think! One last question, about this statue - sadly Margaret | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
Thatcher will not be going, but lots of people will be going, but | :45:48. | :45:58. | |
:45:58. | :46:03. | ||
it is only part of a Europe wide Yes, it has been fabulous. | :46:03. | :46:11. | |
Residents in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, in Poland, it has | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
been spoken of how Ronald Reagan and John Paul II all came together | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
at the same moment in history and work together brilliantly to do | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
things whose Majesty we actually forget. The Wall fell down, Soviet | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
communism was defeated. It was an epic moment in history and they | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
worked so well. Have a wonderful day tomorrow and thank you for | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
joining us. Can I just add that everybody is invited and welcome | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
tomorrow. It is at the US embassy in London and it would be great if | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
Americans visiting here and English men came. | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
Chris Patten, Lord Patten, was a cabinet minister under Margaret | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
Thatcher, Tory party chairman under John Major, the last governor of | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
Hong Kong, European Commissioner and Chancellor of Oxford. Now he | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
has just taken over as chairman of the BBC Trust. The BBC is not quite | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
as embattled an enclave of Britishness as Hong Kong was, nor | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
of course is Rupert Murdoch's empire anything like Communist | :47:13. | :47:22. | |
China. But with swingeing cuts, the largest in the Corporation's | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
history, and constant criticism from its foes, the BBC does feel | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
slightly besieged just now. Chris Patten, welcome. Your new job, | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
chairman of the trust, some people are confused about what it means, | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
whether you are first and foremost the cheerleader and spokesperson | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
for the BBC in the country, or first and foremost the stern | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
invigilator of BBC misbehaviour, people like myself. How would you | :47:51. | :47:57. | |
characterise the balance? Getting away from the anorak language, the | :47:57. | :48:06. | |
management goulash, I think my job as chairman of the trust is to | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
ensure that the BBC goes on producing fantastic radio and | :48:10. | :48:16. | |
television programmes, goes on justifying its reputation as not | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
just the best public service broadcaster in the world but | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
probably the best broadcaster in the world. You have only got to go | :48:23. | :48:29. | |
to any other country and turn on the radio and television to realise | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
how could the BBC is. Not perfect. The challenge for the BBC is what | :48:33. | :48:41. | |
is going on in the background, the digital will -- digital revolution | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
and the fact it has got to learn to live with a flat budget. It has got | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
to take out a lot of costs because for the first time in living memory | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
we have not had an increase in the licence fee. I am not grumbling | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
about that, I hope we can pull in our belts while producing high | :49:00. | :49:08. | |
quality programmes still. The BBC has had 17-20% cuts across the | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
board, the great debate seems to be about whether those cuts can be | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
salami sliced away, or whether part of the BBC empire has to be frankly | :49:19. | :49:26. | |
surrendered. The BBC has to give up a channel or two, whatever, and | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
pull back a bit. Where do you stand on that spectrum? There is nothing | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
wrong with salami slicing, provided you end up with the sausage you | :49:36. | :49:44. | |
wanted. What we are looking at at the moment is how much we can get | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
through greater efficiency, through greater productivity, and how much | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
will involve us stopping doing things which we would like to do | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
but are probably a extendable. We are quite far advanced in that | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
process at the moment. I would like ideally to be able to settle it | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
this month. I think it may be more realistic that we can't come to an | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
agreement with the executive until September but we will do it as soon | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
as we can, and then consult on the proposals. You got spoken to Jeremy | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
Hunt about speeding up the process by which the BBC could close a | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
channel, so the possibility of closing a Channel or getting rid of | :50:27. | :50:33. | |
something the BBC does now, perhaps online, that is a possibility? | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
have to look at everything, but the trouble is about this process that | :50:38. | :50:44. | |
the soon as you deal with specifics, either confirming that they are | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
fined or not confirming they are fine, you are appearing to make a | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
public decision about them so it is quite difficult. Looking at the | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
relationship between the main television channels, I think we can | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
see symmetries that we could perhaps organise rather better. | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
Things like people have talked about just putting News 24 on to | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
BBC Two during the day. We are filling large numbers of hours of | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
television time at the moment. at night as well. There are a lot | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
of ideas which have already been discussed about that, but at the | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
end of the day, as bishops say, I think we should be able to come off | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
with a very good public service broadcaster for 3.5 billion. One | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
has to remember it is given to us, we do not have to raise advertising | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
revenue. Do you think none the less there are some big things we are | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
doing at the moment, the money might be spent on sport, Formula | :51:45. | :51:51. | |
One, whatever it might be, in the end the BBC might not be doing? | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
There will be some things that are very difficult to do in the long | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
term, partly because of the walls cash from subscription television. | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
I don't grumble about competition, but if you look at America and | :52:04. | :52:13. | |
elsewhere, broadcasters, advertising revenue broadcaster's | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
or public service broadcasters are being driven out of big events | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
because of the large amount of cash subscription TV has. Talking about | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
large amounts of cash, what is your take on the storm of criticism | :52:27. | :52:34. | |
about BBC pay, presenters certainly but also BBC managers? I know there | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
have been a lot of cutbacks already, but do you think there are still | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
too many managers being paid too much? Yes, there are three aspects | :52:45. | :52:50. | |
- first of all the overall BBC pay, and it has been slightly behind the | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
public sector for the last three years. This year it is slightly | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
behind Channel 4, ITV. There is second day the question of talent | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
pay which is going down, partly for reasons that do not have reasons to | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
do with management, but we need to be more open about how much is | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
being paid to people overall. As I say, that is falling. The biggest | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
issue for the public is senior executive pay because what has | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
happened seems to fly in the face of public service ethos. There are | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
four aspects which we will be making announcements about in the | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
next few days. Firstly there is the pain level at the very top, | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
secondly the number of people who get more than 150,000, that leave a | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
number of people who are deemed to be senior managers, and falsely the | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
whole issue of fairness across the board with senior managers getting | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
some deals which do not apply to others. I think we can deal with | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
all that and if we do so, we will deal with one of the most toxic | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
reasons for the public's lack of sympathy for the BBC as an | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
institution. It sounds to me like you are thinking of something | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
pretty radical, in terms of the number of people paid more than the | :54:12. | :54:18. | |
Prime Minister, shall we say. and I have been looking very | :54:18. | :54:25. | |
closely at what will Hutton said about top pay in the public sector. | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
This is making sure nobody at the top is paid no more than 20 times | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
what the lowest person is paid? you look at the relationship | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
between top pay and medium pay, and I would like the BBC to be the | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
first organisation in the public sector which get into implementing | :54:43. | :54:51. | |
some of his ideas. Can I just ask you about - we have seen the green | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
light for News International to buy the rest of Skye. Sky has a much | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
bigger revenue now than the BBC. Do you think the BBC is inevitably on | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
a downward curve in terms of its influence and past dominance in | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
British broadcasting? No, I don't. You started off with an analogy on | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
hung Kong, perhaps I can reassure people I am not going to hand the | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
BBC to the Chinese in five years' time, but I don't think the BBC | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
should think of itself as under siege from the area and vandals. I | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
think it is a fantastic organisation and I wanted to be | :55:32. | :55:40. | |
more flexible, leaner, and I wanted to be self-confident and | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
challenging, and aware of the principles on which it was founded | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
and which are still relevant today. I think one of the amazing things | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
about the BBC for a public service organisation is that it is at the | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
cutting edge of technology. There is a tribute to John Birt among | :55:57. | :56:03. | |
others. Can I ask you about universality, which is the idea the | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
BBC has to offer something to everybody. A very successful | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
Controller of BBC for said in his speech recently that news and | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
current affairs were really the heart of the BBC, and that is | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
presumably something you would agree with, but what about the fact | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
the BBC should be doing game shows, should be doing pop-music, should | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
be doing soaps, something literally for everybody. First of all I agree | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
with Mark and it was a very good speech he gave at Oxford. I agree | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
with the importance of news and journalism. The BBC is the second- | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
largest employee of journalists after Chinese television in the | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
world, but we also have to reach as many of the licence fee payers as | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
possible. But reach them with programmes which are high quality, | :56:54. | :57:00. | |
and which do not only entertain but where we can inform and educate as | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
well. People have sometimes been very critical of BBC Three. I have | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
watched a couple of fantastic programmes in the last few weeks on | :57:09. | :57:18. | |
BBC Three, one on young offenders, and another on young Afghanistan. | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
Thank you for joining us. Now over to Louise for the news headlines. | :57:24. | :57:33. | |
Andrew Lansley has called for a partnership on the subject of | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
health care needs to avoid them suffering a catastrophic loss of | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
everything they have worked for in old age. He was speaking ahead of | :57:41. | :57:48. | |
the publication tomorrow of the report from the Dilnot Commission. | :57:48. | :57:57. | |
The next news is 1 at midday on BBC One. | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
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courts? And our faith healers charlatans? In the studio, a former | :58:07. | :58:15. | |
burglar and a pastor who said his prayers helped raise a man from the | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
dead. That is it from us. Join us again | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
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