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Good morning. Very cold, and it's going to affect more than your | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
choice of coats and jumpers - news just in warns about defects | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
including splits in the skin, discoloration, holes in the middle, | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
and weirdly twisted shapes. For yes, thanks to floods and freeze, | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
there's a shortage of potatoes, carrots and sprouts this year and | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
according to supermarkets we're going to have to learn to love ugly | :00:58. | :01:07. | |
You heard it here first. No ugly vegetables on this show, however. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Two blooming paper reviewers this morning - the Times columnist and | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
former speechwriter for Tony Blair, Phil Collins. Plus the director of | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
Liberty, Shami Chakrabati. The big economic news comes in detail on | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
Wednesday with what's called the Autumn Statement but which is | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
probably going to feel more like the winter statement, even the | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
midwinter statement, with austerity, freezes and cold comfort. The | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
chancellor George Osborne joins us to talk about growth, taxes, | :01:30. | :01:38. | |
welfare and the cost of living - can he still hit his key targets? | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
And from the Labour side, can Ed Balls - a long-time critic of the | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
austerity programme - convince voters that he has an alternative | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
plan which can stop the debt just piling up? The other talking point | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
this weekend is whether British newspapers be trusted to behave | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
more responsibly without a formal legal framework for a new press | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
watchdog. Actor Hugh Grant was a victim of phone hacking and | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
believes new laws must underpin the new system, though not its day to | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
day working. John Whittingdale MP, who chaired the parliamentary | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
committee that first looked into phone hacking, is wary. Plus this | :02:11. | :02:20. | |
morning, you'll have noticed the drums and piano. Jools Holland is | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
here with Rumer, and more crash and thump than this little studio has | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
ever seen before. They'll be singing a song for George Osborne, | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
or one whose title he'll certainly agree with, it's called Accentuate | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
The Positive. All that coming up after the news from Naga Munchetty. | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
Good morning. The Chancellor George Osborne has acknowledged that | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
reducing the nation's debt may take longer than he's planned. Writing | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
in a Sunday newspaper, Mr Osborne says the road ahead will be longer | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
than he thought but that turning back would be a disaster. | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
Economists say the Chancellor will have to reduce spending further if | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
he's to meet deficit targets. Cutting tax relief for pensions | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
could be among the measures. A major road tunnel has collapsed | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
in Japan, trapping cars and killing several people Large sections of | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
concrete fell on vehicles in the Sasago tunnel which is 50 miles | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
West of Tokyo. The search and rescue operation has been suspended | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
because of fears of another collapse. Rupert Wingfield Hayes | :03:19. | :03:29. | |
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reports. These grainy CCTV pictures from inside the tunnel show of the | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
section of ceiling, perhaps as long as 100 metres, that collapsed on to | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
the roadway below. Rescue workers can be seen scrambling over the | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
concrete. Underneath there is thought to be a number of vehicles | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
and people buried, but how many no one is sure. The four kilometre | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
long Sasago tunnel lies on one of Japan's most important and busiest | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
highways, linking Tokyo to central Japan. Earlier smoke could be seen | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
billowing from the entrance, although the fire does now appear | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
to be out. At least 20 people are reported to have escaped from their | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
cars inside the tunnel and walk to safety. Some described terrifying | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
scenes as concrete fell around their vehicles. Japanese television | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
news says the rescue teams have been withdrawn from inside the | :04:26. | :04:34. | |
tunnel because there are fears more sections of the tunnel could | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
collapse. There were no earthquakes reported in the area this morning. | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
Taliban suicide attackers have targeted a NATO military base in | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
Afghanistan. All seven insurgents and one Afghan guard were killed in | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
the raid which happened near Jalalabad. Car bombs were used in | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
the strike which shattered windows a kilometre away. NATO is gradually | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
handing security over to Afghan forces ahead of the departure of | :04:55. | :05:03. | |
most combat troops in 2014. A key adviser to Lord Justice | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
Leveson says his proposals for press regulation would breach the | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Human Rights Act. The judge's report recommended an independent | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
self-regulatory body reinforced by law. And a group of high profile | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
celebrities has launched a petition to support it. But Shami | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
Chakrabarti of the civil rights group Liberty says the press is | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
being coerced. David Beckham has ended his US | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
football career on a high - his team have won the Major League | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Soccer cup final. It's the second year in a row Beckham has helped LA | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
Galaxy win the competition. There's now much speculation over where | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
he'll be going next. Monaco and Paris Saint Germain are believed to | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
have made approaches. That's all from me for now. I'll be back with | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
the headlines just before ten o'clock. Back to you, Andrew. Thank | :05:53. | :06:03. | |
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you, Naga. Now to the front pages. This is the Observer, and many | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
rugby fans will be pleased by this picture, showing the victory over | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
the All Blacks. The Independent on Sunday has an interesting you'd | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
take, a growing argument about how much tax big companies pay has | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
spread to football, the big football clubs. The Sunday Times | :06:30. | :06:39. | |
says George Osborne, who is with us later, involved in a new tax will | :06:39. | :06:49. | |
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The Sunday Express warning about the end of the beat bobby. Last | :07:07. | :07:15. | |
week it was the end of the GP's surgery. Thank you Phil Collins and | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
Shami Chakrabarti. It is impossible to open a newspaper without your | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
face on it. It is a black day indeed if that is the case. | :07:25. | :07:35. | |
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have become the pin up for opposing statutory regulation. I think this | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
is getting unnecessarily polarised, including my position in it. I | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
support the Leveson plan for independent self regulation of the | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
press. That is his recommendation. And you were part of the panel | :07:53. | :08:03. | |
advising him. Yes, but I speak for myself now as a member of liberty. | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
I have not delivered a bombshell in the Mail on Sunday, I have tried to | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
explain but I will try harder now on BBC One. I support the plan for | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
a more independent, robust self regulator. That is his | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
recommendation and I think it is amazing that so many people, | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
including the press, appear to be coalescing around that plan. The | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
second point is how you encourage people to set up such a club. | :08:33. | :08:41. | |
are carrots and the sticks. support this. On the one hand, | :08:41. | :08:51. | |
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victims of violations of privacy... Ken you make this work without | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
regulation? You can try to do it without court rules. If you can't, | :09:02. | :09:12. | |
I would support a statute that did just that, and that is part of the | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
plan from Leveson and I support it. The bombshell is what you do if | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
people don't join the club and Leveson does not want compulsory | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
regulation of the press but he says if they don't play ball politicians | :09:27. | :09:36. | |
may have to consider it. This they in in the Mail exhibits a principal | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
in awe of the papers, any distinction has been exploded in | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
all the papers this morning. Every one is campaigning. It is | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
intriguing and the politicians and the press are much more interested | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
in this story than the wider public, I suspect, and we have wall-to-wall | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
coverage of it. Any news is just spawn and made up so there is a | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
relentless quality to the coverage in the papers this morning. One of | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
the things I did pick up is that Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tory | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
pro legislation people are likely to come up with a draft Bill of the | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
Rome quite quickly. Yes, I think there will be a race for a draft | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
bill. For the mistake is thinking this is about legislation or not | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
legislation. This is about whether there should be incentives to | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
people to join a decent press club or compulsion. Nudges from judges. | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
Yes, excellent. Let's move on to some of the other stories. I think | :10:48. | :10:58. | |
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you chose the Observer's front page? Nick Boyle's has said we have | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
got to build on the countryside and he said it rebuilt nice things on | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
the countryside people's objections will melt away. Andrew motion has | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
said this is an appalling display of vandalism on the countryside, | :11:19. | :11:26. | |
but actually Nick Boyles is essentially right. We need more | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
houses. We knew say nice things, are you talking about Prince | :11:31. | :11:41. | |
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Charles's pounds -- style houses? At we are living longer and we | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
don't have a house building that Monique so it has got to go | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
somewhere, and of course nobody wants it near their house but there | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
has to be a solution to this. You have got an unusual political fight | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
common up between the Tory party and the countryside, very similar | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
to what the last government went through. It is a problem that can | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
only be solved by building more houses. No way through it. We | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
should do a bit of economics as well. So many stories in the paper | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
purporting to know what is coming in the Autumn Statement. I have | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
chosen to go straight to the horse's mouth, as it were. There is | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
speculation about what might be in it, but in the Sun we have the | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
authentic political voice of George Osborne, a script for the next | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
general election effectively, which is to say that Labour spent all of | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
your money, don't let them do it again. It has been awful but we are | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
on the right course so don't turn back. We have it set out, the | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
perfect script in this Tom. have chosen a Guantanamo story. | :12:53. | :13:01. | |
you believe there is still a British resident in Guantanamo? | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
Next week the Met Police are flying out to Cuba to interview him about | :13:05. | :13:13. | |
his suggestion that he was tortured in front of UK security personnel. | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
I feel rather ashamed, having done this work for all these years, and | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
we have still got a British resident in Guantanamo. President | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
Obama has now been re-elected. The first time he was elected, he was | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
going to close it down. Now there is a Bill going through Parliament | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
to introduce secret courts that would make it even harder to expose | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
the agencies and the government when they get mixed up in this kind | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
of scandal. Back to British politics. Every time you have a by- | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
election or something peculiar happens, you get this article in | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
the Independent, which is to say the small party is on the verge of | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
a breakthrough. It is usually the BNP, now it is UKIP, which I | :14:05. | :14:13. | |
suppose his progress of this sort. This is the art -- article asking | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
if they are about to burst through and the onset is they are not. They | :14:19. | :14:27. | |
tend to do well in European elections because UKIP think this | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
is the only issue and I have nothing else to say. Are they not | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
mutating into an alternative right of centre party on education, | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
immigration, and things that appealed to Tory heartland voters? | :14:40. | :14:50. | |
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More than that they have become a repository for people who don't | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
like politicians. Once upon a time you could kick them by voting for | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
Liberal Democrats. That is a lovely the theory that Liberal Democrats | :15:01. | :15:10. | |
are migrating to UKIP. They I don't like politics people. Are they | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
worried about the amount of seats they might lose on the edge? | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
they are worried about it but they can't win unless they appealed to | :15:18. | :15:28. | |
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the centre. If they spend all their time worrying about UKIP, they will | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
one do all the wrong things and that would be worse. Phone hacking | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
is not the only scandal of recent years and it is sad the | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
construction worker blacklist scandal has not attracted the same | :15:40. | :15:50. | |
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Something similar happened with a consultancy company that was | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
storing the names of people on a blacklist. They were black lifted | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
because they were trade union is so they were raising concerns about | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
health and safety. Health and safety on a building site is a | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
life-and-death matter. People's lives were ruined and they found | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
they could not work in the construction industry for years. | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
One of the things that has not been touched on in the coverage of | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
lovers in is that Leveson is concerned with the current | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
Information Commissioner's Office and that it did not do everything | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
it could have done about phone hacking. He said it should have | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
more powers and resources. This would also apply to the hideous | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
black list that has been kept about construction workers. The observer | :16:48. | :16:56. | |
tells us that it has affected the Crossrail project. You point about | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Leveson not being the biggest story, the politics of this a fascinating. | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
If we look back on this with a bit of perspective, it may be that the | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
Lord that has had the big media moment is not necessarily Lord | :17:11. | :17:21. | |
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Brabazon, but Lord McAlpine. That attempt to put in place laws that | :17:21. | :17:31. | |
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govern people on Twitter could be the biggest thing. I disagree. What | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
you have missed is that Leveson allows for more than one club to be | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
set up. So tweeters that wanted to benefit from legal protection could | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
be the same thing. The others by- election -- the other a style icon | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
in the papers today is Angelina Jolie. Channel 4 News did a really | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
important piece last night. It was about her campaign with the Foreign | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
Secretary, William Hague, in relation to rape being used as a | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
weapon of war. She lets slip in that interview that sometimes she | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
finds her campaigning and her role as a mother to be more fulfilling | :18:16. | :18:26. | |
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than acting. The grass is greener, that is all I can say. My response | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
to the headline that she is thinking about quitting acting is | :18:30. | :18:38. | |
that I did not know she had started. And football managers in the | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
newspapers as well. 10 days into his job at Chelsea, Rafael Benitez | :18:45. | :18:52. | |
is facing headlines that he faces the axe. Roberto Mancini, their | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
second in the league, he was booed off the pitch. The pace at which | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
this happens now is absolutely ludicrous. In a league of 20 teams, | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
it is obvious that 19 of them are not going to win, but the lack of | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
patience is there. Thank you both very much for that. Quite sunny in | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
the Southeast yesterday and more sunshine promised today, but cold. | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
An inch or more of snow predicted in many parts this evening. Really | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
pretty serious winter weather. Tingling toes and sore fingers, | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
woolly hat time. With a more scientific run-down, here is Sarah | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
scientific run-down, here is Sarah Keith-Lucas. Good morning. There is | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
a real winter the flavour to the weather over the next 24 hours in | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
particular. It will be bright with sunshine for many is and it will | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
feel very cold. This evening, we will see some snowfall arriving. | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
Today, we have glorious winter sunshine for central and eastern | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
areas. Things change for the West with rain spilling in, but even | :20:01. | :20:07. | |
with its days cold, temperatures around four degrees. This evening, | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
the rain will bump into the cold air, and it will turn to snow. It | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
is likely to effect Lincolnshire, up through northern England and | :20:17. | :20:25. | |
Scotland. We could see five centimetres on the hills. Even more | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
for Highland Scotland. In the south, the range sheet out of the way | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
fairly quickly on Monday morning. Snow will linger across parts of | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
Scotland for longer. Sunshine and showers, a milder and breezier day | :20:41. | :20:51. | |
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on Monday. Things are looking cold -- and wintery. | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
Last Thursday, Lord Justice Leveson delivered his report on the press. | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
The current safeguards are woefully inadequate, he said, the industry's | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
own plans for a new body were not good enough and Parliament must now | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
act to guarantee that the new system has the scope, powers and | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
independence needed to operate effectively. The case for a legally | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
enshrined structure has been championed by many of those who | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
have been victims of press excess, including the actor Hugh Grant. A | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
couple of months ago, on the eve of the Tory party conference, I | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
interviewed both Hugh Grant and the Prime Minister on the same show. | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
Back then, it seemed the Leveson report might get a warmer welcome | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
in Downing Street. You told him that it what Leveson suggested was | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
not bonkers, you would implement it. Is that the case? Absolutely. We | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
have got to remember why this was set up in the first place. | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
But what now? With Ed Miliband urging his MPs to endorse the | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
campaign for formal new laws, Nick Clegg saying publicly that he | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
disagrees with the PM and many Tory backbenchers urging David Cameron | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
to hold out against any statutory regulation, it seems that the way | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
Leveson is implemented will be fought out on the floor of the | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
Commons. Joining me from his constituency in Essex is the | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
chairman of the Culture Select Committee, John Whittingdale, and | :22:03. | :22:11. | |
here in the studio we have Hugh Grant. Good morning. Hugh Grant, | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
were you surprised when you heard what the Prime Ministers that? Was | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
it genuinely surprising? Yes, I had just read the report locked in a | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
room with a number of the true victims of this, and I do not | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
include myself. I was in a room with the Dow the family, and we | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
thought the report was intelligent, but at the mild end of what | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
everyone had hoped for. We thought, the is no way the Prime Minister | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
cannot endorse this. We sat in the Hacked Off room with a bunch of 50 | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
or 60 other non celebrity victims, people like the Hillsborough | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
families group, watching the Prime Ministers speaking the Commons. The | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
feeling was one of astonishment and betrayal. This is a very | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
complicated proposal. Can you explain why you think statutory | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
legislation underpinning this brand new body matters so much? It simply | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
will not work without it. We have had seven attempts in the last six | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
years to allow the press one more chance at regulating themselves and | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
each one has been unsuccessful. It beggars belief that the Prime | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
Minister can think that on this occasion it will work. What the | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
judge recommended was extremely mild. One of the statutes was let's | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
enshrined freedom of the press in statute. Of First Amendment. We | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
will not see that report in any of the newspapers. John Whittingdale, | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
were you surprised by what the Prime Minister said? A lot of | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
Conservatives are standing up against any kind of legislation. | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
That seems to be a growing feeling within the party? I was not | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
surprised because I think the Prime Minister made some strong points | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
about the real concerns of the principle of legislation of the | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
prize, and also about some genuine practical difficulties about some | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
of the proposals that Lord Brabazon came up with. Hugh Grant said we | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
cannot have the press regulating themselves, it has failed, and it | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
has failed. That is not under discussion. Everyone agrees there | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
needs to be a brand new body that is independent of the press, with | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
powers to impose penalties. That is the first time that has happened. | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
There is no disagreement about it and that will result from ladders | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
and. The only debate is whether the body has to be underpinned by | :24:54. | :25:02. | |
legislation. But the discussion is being led by the editors, the press, | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
and the worry is that something will be done to satisfy them rather | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
than people like Hugh Grant? Obviously the editors have to be | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
involved in the discussion because if the body is to work, the | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
newspapers have got to make clear that the accept its rulings, that | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
they will obey the code of conduct, but they must not be the people at | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
judge whether the rules have been broken. Lord Leveson was very clear | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
that there should be no MPs are to another sitting on the independent | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
body and that is something I agree with, and we must now look to all | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
the newspapers to sign up to this. If they do not, perhaps we would | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
have to move to legislation, but we have real concerns about doing so. | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
We should give a chance to the industry to prove that it will | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
accept legislation. The people who are going to sit down at his | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
meeting with the editors on Thursday to device is brand new | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
form of so-called independent regulation at exactly the same | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
people are who came up with the Press Complaints Commission, which | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
is widely discredited. They are the same people who came up with the | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
hunt-black plan which the judge said fell short of what was | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
required. It is the same people. If the public think that that is a | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
satisfactory arrangement, the must be mad. But they are not mad. That | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
is why 80 % of the public favour and a -- favour an independent | :26:37. | :26:47. | |
:26:47. | :26:52. | ||
regulator. They is no difference. John Whittingdale. They is no | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
difference. Everybody agrees there needs to be an independent body to | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
regulate the press. That is what Lord Leveson and we are proposing. | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
The passing of legislation is only necessary if the press demonstrate | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
that they will not accept the rulings of that body. It the press | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
do not go along with it, there may need to be legislation. Why would | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
we give them another chance to show that they would fail to do that, | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
letting down the victims of all these abuses? It is favouring the | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
press barons and big proprietors. Governments and Prime Ministers | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
opting out have always chosen them over the people and victims of | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
crime. It is very close to disgraceful, the Prime Minister's | :27:42. | :27:48. | |
position on this. Let's look at what is likely to happen. Back to | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
John Whittingdale. We're now going to have a fight in the House of | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
Commons were most MPs, certainly those that I have seen on the | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
papers, or on Hugh Grant's side rather than on the side of the | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
Prime Minister? As people have had a chance to read the details of | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
what is proposed and think about it, more and more doubts are emerging. | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
I was interested to see in the papers today and number of Labour | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
MPs who are beginning to voice doubts about it. You have | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
campaigners like Shami Chakrabarti were voicing concerns. As people | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
think about is carefully they will realise the dangers of going down | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
this road and they will want to try and find a way of getting the | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
proper regulation and they all want to see. -- we all want to see. | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
is very important to distinguish between those people who speak | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
about freedom of speech and mean it's in theory and those who have | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
vested interests. We all know that the Prime Minister has close | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
friendships with a lot of people at News International. It suits his | :28:58. | :29:06. | |
political agenda to be in bed with the big press barons. He has been | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
Facebook friends with Elisabeth Murdoch. He's a great friend of the | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
chief executive of News International. It is important to | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
establish what people come from India argument. That is no crime. | :29:20. | :29:26. | |
He has admitted it. I have spent seven years during the media | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
committee. Of course I have met these people. You told me you were | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
particularly good friends with him. I told you that my committee had | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
said unanimously that he had lied to Parliament. I suspect I am not a | :29:44. | :29:54. | |
very good friend. La its put him to one side and Return to the tactics. | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
It has been suggested that an alternative draft bill will be put | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
forward by Labour and the Liberal Democrats so that there will be at | :30:02. | :30:08. | |
least one quite urgent proposal in front of the House of Commons. Is | :30:08. | :30:18. | |
:30:18. | :30:20. | ||
When it comes to the intricacies of drafting bills, you are talking to | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
romantic comedy actor and not a politician. 90% of Daily Mail | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
readers favour independent regulation backed by a statutory | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
underpinning. Most of parliament favours it, the victim's favour it | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
and we have hacked off petition running unbelievably fast. That is | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
public opinion and it will be hard for the Prime Minister to fly in | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
the face of that just to satisfy his friends in the media. Last | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
question - in terms of how this is brought forward, will your | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
committee be trying to get across this ahead of the inevitable | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
parliamentary exchanges? When have the jobs of my committee is to look | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
at the government's policy towards the media and certainly we will | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
want to look at proposals in the Leveson report and we would like to | :31:13. | :31:21. | |
hear from probably Hugh Grant but also other victims and people like | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
Ofcom, this strange suggestion that somehow Ofcom should have a role in | :31:25. | :31:33. | |
regulating the press. We have a lot of people who we would want to hear | :31:33. | :31:43. | |
:31:43. | :31:44. | ||
their reaction and then we can find out if it is workable. | :31:44. | :31:52. | |
And so to the economy. Ever since the election, Ed Balls as shadow | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
chancellor has been criticising the Coalition government for going too | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
far too fast in its austerity programme, and his case is that | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
Britain's poor performance has been worsened by the scale of the cuts. | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
The Government, though, says he's never taken enough responsibility | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
for our huge indebtedness, and that Labour would just return to the old | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
days of splurge. Ed Balls joins me now. Do you still splurge? | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
everybody knows we have got to get the deficit down. Two years ago | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
George Osborne said judge me on this one thing while I get the | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
deficit down and he is failing because this year the borrowing is | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
going up and knock down. It is rising again because we have been | :32:29. | :32:36. | |
in recession, because the economic plan has failed, and if you are in | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
a hole you should stop digging. far, so familiar, if I may say so. | :32:42. | :32:50. | |
None the less... Familiar and correct. Let me ask my question, | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
which is that Labour has still not convinced people - look at the | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
opinion polls - that you have a proper alternative plan to get the | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
deficit down without the scale of the cuts this government is making. | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
In other words that you haven't really made the hard choices and | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
you haven't confronted the hard choices any government will have to | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
make in 2015. It is pretty much a blank sheet on where the cuts will | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
happen on your side. It was always going to be hard for us after 2010 | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
to turn around public opinion but in the end it is about judgment. I | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
said to George Osborne his plan would not work and his judgment has | :33:34. | :33:40. | |
proved to be woefully lacking. only works for you if you have an | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
alternative plan. By would look to be debating how we can turn this | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
economy around and he raised three things we should do - kick-start | :33:48. | :33:57. | |
the recovery, get the jobs market moving, build homes and create jobs. | :33:57. | :34:07. | |
Secondly, go ahead with the business investment bank, and | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
thirdly let's do it in a fair way. The Chancellor's priority is to | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
raise taxes for pensioners and to cut tax credits for working | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
families but to cut the tax rate for millionaires. That is deeply | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
unfair. I want to debate a different Labour future. Lord | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
Heseltine was employed by this government to produce a plan for | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
growth and quite a lot of that seems to be close to some of the | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
things you have been talking about, in terms of more money for the | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
regions, more house building and so on. We may well see in the coming | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
autumn statement the sting on higher earners over their pensions | :34:48. | :34:54. | |
so it seems to a lot of people there are areas where you could get | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
alongside and say actually we agree with the government. It is not all | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
tit for tat. Firstly, Lord Heseltine I think thinks the | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
abolition of the regional development agencies and the | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
dismantling of the infrastructure was ridiculous, but the question | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
businesses are asking is where are the decisions on aviation, why | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
aren't we building any more roads? The growth plant is a shambles, | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
there was nothing there. Even the business investment bank is not | :35:25. | :35:33. | |
happening. It is very hard funding that, that is a big problem. But if | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
we are in a hole with no growth and borrowing rising, it is harder | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
funding that, that is why you have got to have good jobs and growth | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
plan and change course from the George Osborne plan. He came in and | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
he reversed with �1.6 billion the pension tax changes before the last | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
election to give it back to the richest people. Anything he does | :35:58. | :36:06. | |
there is a reversal of his mistake. But there is relief coming for | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
better-off pensioners, which is presumably something you will | :36:09. | :36:18. | |
welcome. A There is a millionaire's tax cut to over 8000 millionaires. | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
I know you don't want to talk about the millionaire tax cuts, but why | :36:22. | :36:31. | |
should pensioners pay more? Why should fuel be rising in cost? | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
Let's talk about some of the pain. Apart from any of the changes in | :36:35. | :36:42. | |
the tax system, widespread briefing that we will get a freeze or at the | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
near freeze to in-work benefits. Do you think the welfare system can | :36:47. | :36:54. | |
and should take more of a squeeze at this point? But how has spending | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
gone up in this Parliament? It is �20 billion more. It is costing | :36:59. | :37:06. | |
more. The Work Programme has failed, long-term unemployment is going up. | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
A let's go back to my question - are you in a favour of the squeeze | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
on welfare? For of course, which is why it I am so frustrated it has | :37:15. | :37:24. | |
risen by �20 billion. What sort of squeeze do you think is acceptable? | :37:24. | :37:33. | |
I think it is on fire by, a question of choices and priorities. | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
My question is were and how? people back to work. That is not | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
squeezing the welfare system. course it is. It is an important | :37:44. | :37:53. | |
effect but I and talking about directly acting on it. Unless you | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
get people back to work... The Work Programme is failing, and then | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
George Osborne says he will hit people at the bottom. You say to me | :38:03. | :38:09. | |
he is in a whole, here is a shovel, why don't you start digging to? | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
People don't understand where you will be digging because you don't | :38:14. | :38:24. | |
:38:24. | :38:25. | ||
give people the detail for the cuts. Build homes, get every young person | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
back to work and say there is no choice and here are the jobs. The | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
Work Programme should be a guaranteed to get people back into | :38:32. | :38:38. | |
work. It is costing billions more because his plan is failing. | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
know the trouble a lot of the bank's part in and you know that | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
simply squeezing them more is not a long-term option. I know the banks | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
can afford a bank bonus tax. Repeating their high youth | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
unemployment of the 1980s is perverse. There is no growth, | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
borrowing is up, as George Osborne the difficult questions. Maybe he | :39:02. | :39:09. | |
will be giving more answers than you. I have given the many answers, | :39:09. | :39:18. | |
but not always the answers you want. Well, that's the case for the | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
political prosecution, but this week the chancellor George Osborne | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
will be paying at least as much attention to the markets. They in | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
turn are waiting to see whether he's still sticking by his promise | :39:28. | :39:35. | |
to get debt falling by 2015. Much harder now, with the likelihood of | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
no growth at all this year, and warnings of more austerity, | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
including tax rises and spending cuts running on till 2018. | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
Chancellor, welcome. How optimistic are you there you are able to | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
fulfil the fiscal promises you made in 2010? I made a promise that | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
Britain would be seen as a credible place to invest and we are seen as | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
a credible place to invest. With respect, the promise was that you | :39:55. | :40:02. | |
would get the share of debt falling by 2015 - can you do that? We have | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
two targets, to get it falling by 2015/16, and also to balance the | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
current budget. There will be an independent assessment of those | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
targets on Wednesday. It would be unfair and self-defeating in having | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
created this constitutional innovation for me to come on the | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
television a few days earlier and give their verdict. Or I was asking | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
was how optimistic are you feeling about it? It is clearly taking | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
longer to deal with Britain's debt and recover from the financial | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
crisis than anyone would have hoped but we have made real progress, the | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
deficit is down by a quarter, there are a million more jobs in the | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
private sector and to go back to the borrowing and the debt and the | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
spending that Ed Balls represents would be a complete disaster for | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
this country. Yet we will probably have zero growth this year, and if | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
you look at the league table in the G20 we are pretty close to the | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
bottom of the pile, not success by anybody's standards. I don't accept | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
that. The eurozone is in recession and is one of our biggest trading | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
partners. China, Brazil, other countries are having problems. In | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
Britain we have had growth. The latest GDP numbers showed growth, | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
but if you are telling me it is a tough environment out there, of | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
course I would wish it was growing, but of course the question is how | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
to deliver that and I think undermining the credibility of the | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
deficit plan, going back on commitment to deal with debts would | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
be a complete catastrophe for Britain and put us into the place | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
where some European countries are at the moment. He made political | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
choices at the beginning about how to handle this and I'm just saying | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
that other countries like the United States made different | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
choices, like many of the northern European countries, and they have | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
done better than we have done. completely agree that Germany has | :42:09. | :42:18. | |
done better than we have done. America. Germany has done better be | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
-- because they spent the last decade connecting themselves to | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
economies like China and India making sure their economy was | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
balanced and not overly dependent on finance. They invested in | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
education like we should have done. I am clearing that mess, it can't | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
be done overnight. The debate in the US is very similar about how to | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
get on top of the deficit in a measured way, and that is precisely | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
the debate we will have in US politics over the next few weeks. | :42:50. | :42:57. | |
Let's look at this in the way that to say that if the state pulled | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
back the private sector would push in and create the jobs, which is | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
what you said when you first came in, but that has not happened at | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
anything like the scale you hope to partly because of the economy and | :43:09. | :43:18. | |
the rest of it. does that mean you have to spend more time and effort | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
looking at growth, major infrastructure spending, bringing | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
that forward? Firstly we have created jobs in this economy, more | :43:27. | :43:34. | |
than was forecast by our independent forecaster. We have | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
more than compensated... Actually the total number of ours has gone | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
up. That has more than compensated for the inevitable loss of jobs in | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
a public sector the country can no longer afford so actually | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
employment is that a record high it in our country so there has been a | :43:54. | :44:04. | |
:44:04. | :44:04. | ||
very good story on jobs. There have been small parts of the economy | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
that has done all right, but the big idea on growth clearly hasn't | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
worked. In the last two years we have had an oil price shock, the | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
eurozone crisis, you know we don't operate in a vacuum. Unless Britain | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
was able to demonstrate we had a real plan to deal with the step we | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
were being a real crisis. We have also got to be in a competitive for | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
place, winning the global race, creating the jobs of the future, | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
and everything I'm doing - making business tax competitive, reforming | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
schools and welfare, reforming planning laws - all of these things | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
are designed to make sure that not only do we see growth, but also our | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
children have the opportunities that we have had to pursue | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
fulfilling Korea's and be part of businesses that are successful in | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
the world. The global race is another big challenge for Britain. | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
My question is do you not need to have a new urgent plan for growth? | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
Bring forward infrastructure projects? Bring forward more | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
housebuilding? I agree, we have got to build more homes which means | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
changing the planning laws, which we are doing, and at the same time | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
underwriting the purchase and the construction of homes. We have got | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
to find more infrastructure, roads and rail, we are doing that and | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
using the government's low-interest rates to help construct those | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
projects. We have got to reform schools, we are transforming an | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
education system that does not equip enough children to succeed in | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
the future. We have got to change the welfare system and Iain Duncan | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
Smith is doing that. I think we are making progress and I do say that | :45:53. | :45:59. | |
if we are making this progress, to turn back now and go back to the | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
:46:09. | :46:09. | ||
problems of the past would be a I am interested in how worried you | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
are about the lack of growth in the economy? Of course I want to see | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
more growth. I see our largest partners in the trading zone in | :46:19. | :46:24. | |
recession. We have got to expand air trade with the places that are | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
growing in the world, like China and India. Help small companies? | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
There will be specific help for small companies. There are lots of | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
things to do, but underpinning it all as a confidence in this | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
country's ability to pay its way in the world. At the time of the party | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
conference season, the Liberal- Democrats ate at if it were going | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
to be any further freezes to the welfare budget, the rich would have | :46:54. | :47:00. | |
to pay. You have said a similar thing. Have you strut the bargain | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
that is going to require higher taxes of some kind on will the | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
people, and a freeze or something like a freeze for or the welfare | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
state? I have would not characterise it as a bargain. It | :47:15. | :47:22. | |
was myself as Shadow Chancellor who said, we are all in his together. | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
Back to the question... In every single one of my budgets, the rich | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
pay more than they ever did under a Labour government. Do you regret | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
cutting the income tax top rate? is completely phoney as a country | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
to think you are taxing the rich with having a top tax rate that | :47:43. | :47:49. | |
people do not pay. The latest figures show that it cost us �7 | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
billion in lost tax revenue. I have increased taxes on property, stamp | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
duty, I have restricted the reliefs you can pay. I am very clear... | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
What about more of that? Going forward, we will deal with this | :48:06. | :48:13. | |
debt is it. It will take longer. That means difficult decisions. The | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
rich have to bear their fair share. That means more than their pain at | :48:17. | :48:24. | |
the moment? Yes. The mansion tax business, it seems it will not be | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
around? Be is not going to be a mansion tax. We make that clear. | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
There is another conception of fairness, the fairness for the | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
individual who goes out to work when their next door neighbour is | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
living a life on benefits. We're going to tackle welfare bills. That | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
is the Conservative approach to fairness. Make the rich pay, but | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
make sure you are tackling the welfare system which is deeply | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
unfair. Are you going for an absolute freezer DU accept that is | :48:58. | :49:05. | |
too harsh? We have already made the �18 billion worth of savings. We | :49:05. | :49:13. | |
are determined to reform welfare to make sure that work always pays. It | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
has to be worth going out to get a job. Fundamentally that is not | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
about creating a fears society but a more competitive society. With | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
all this discussion of fairness, lots of fork is has come on big | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
multinational companies, Google, Amazon, Starbucks, simply not | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
paying their fair share. This is a massive issue for this government? | :49:40. | :49:47. | |
Are due taking a urgent steps to close those loopholes? You can | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
enforce the taxes we have got. I will announce tomorrow extra | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
investment. The part of the Inland Revenue that tackles this. Secondly, | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
you can make sure that internationally we have the right | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
rules. Britain has been working with Germany and France to get | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
those rules on the international table. It will be a big priority | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
for the G8 which we hosts next year. But you cannot tackle this but | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
rising Britain out of the world economy. We cannot make Britain | :50:22. | :50:31. | |
less competitive. If you look at star Boxer Amazon, they are not | :50:31. | :50:41. | |
:50:41. | :50:44. | ||
paying their corporate taxes. -- Starbucks or Amazon. Lots of their | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
competitors, small businesses, are paying their taxes. There is | :50:48. | :50:55. | |
growing fury about us. I understand the anger of people when they see | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
companies apparently not paying their fair share of taxes. We have | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
got to make sure they pay their fair share but we have also got to | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
make sure that the UK does not do things which drives businesses out | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
of the UK. We have got to have their taxes properly enforced and | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
an international system which we will take the lead in. You should | :51:17. | :51:27. | |
:51:27. | :51:27. | ||
not be able to hide profits in low- tax havens. What was going to be a | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
five year plan is now more like is giving you plan at best? It is | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
taking longer to deal with our debt but we're making progress. To turn | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
back now would be a complete disaster. Some people like Ed Balls | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
say we should be borrowing more but that would take us back to the | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
problems that he created in the first place. Other people say we | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
would cut faster. -- we should cut faster. I do not agree with them | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
either. The Governor of the Bank of England has said we have got the | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
right plan. Now over to Naga for the news | :52:02. | :52:09. | |
headlines. The Chancellor has told his programme that he will continue | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
with his plans to bring down the deficit. Mr Osborne said turning | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
back now would be a disaster. He insisted that the change in policy | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
would see interest rates rise and Britain plunged deeper into debt. | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
The Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls called on the government to change | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
course. He said it needed a better plan for jobs and growth. He said | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
the tax on bank bonuses should be re-instated, and money from the | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
sale of mobile phone licences used to fund house-building. A major | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
road tunnel has trap -- has collapsed in Japan, trapping | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
several people and killing others. Large sections of concrete fell in | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
the Sasago tunnel which is 50 miles west of Tokyo. The search and | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
rescue operation has been suspended because of fears of another | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
collapse. Campaigners for press regulation | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
have called for Lord Leveson's report, including new legislation, | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
to be implemented in full. Speaking on this programme, the actor Hugh | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
Grant said the public were behind the plans. But the head of the | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
House of Commons Culture Committee John Whittingdale told us he wasn't | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
so sure. As people come to think about is carefully, they will | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
realise the dangers of going down this road and they will want to try | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
and find a way of getting the proper regulation we all want to | :53:23. | :53:32. | |
see without Parliament having to pass laws. That is all for now. | :53:32. | :53:38. | |
The Chancellor and Shadow Chancellor are both still here. | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
Good morning. We have not spoken about the Leveson fall-out. You | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
have a slightly different view of the relationship with the Liberal | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
Democrats on this subject? Is in the legislation which you will be | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
able to follow in the House of Commons? I hope so and I hope we | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
can get to the consensus. The Prime Ministers said at an las Leveson | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
was bonkers we should do this. Am sceptical about imposing statutory | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
regulation and the press, but that is not what Leveson did. There is | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
an underpinning in statute. I think that is reasonable. It is what the | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
victims want and what many people in Parliament want. Do you have the | :54:22. | :54:29. | |
numbers to get that through? will see. This requires the Prime | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
Minister to lead. George Osborne, the do not agree with that aspect | :54:34. | :54:41. | |
of the lad has an inquiry? Can you stop this happening in Parliament? | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
We all want the Leveson principles implemented. It is independent | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
regulation and the press must deliver that knife. Shami | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
Chakrabarti spoke very powerfully on the risks of legislation. So it | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
is not going to happen? Let's try and carry on speaking on a cross- | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
party basis. We should not be setting deadlines before Christmas. | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
This is a very complicated issue and we have got to get it right. | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
Thank you very much. That is all we have got time for. | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
Now Jools Holland spent much of the summer performing at festivals and | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
other events in the UK and he has been appearing on the BBC twice a | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
week with his splendid music show Later. For his latest album, The | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
Golden Age of Song, out tomorrow, he has been recording some tracks | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
with a number of guest artists and he is here this morning with one of | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
his collaborators, Rumer, no stranger to this show. Good morning. | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
Tell us what you're going to be singing? I am going to be singing | :55:43. | :55:49. | |
Accentuate The Positive. It is a cold winter. It has been a good | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
summer for you? It has been lovely and everyone will be accentuating | :55:53. | :56:00. | |
the positive. It was my great and's birthday the last time I was on. | :56:00. | :56:10. | |
:56:10. | :56:15. | ||
She is 102 today. -- my great aunt's. This is the golden age of | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
song. We are in it now. It is the greatest songs of the 20th and 21st | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
century. That's almost it for today. We are | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
back next Sunday morning for our penultimate show of 2012, with an | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
array of key politicians, plus an iconic musical guest. Join us | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
please, Sunday at nine. But for now it is Rumer, Jools, the big band | :56:35. | :56:45. | |
:56:45. | :57:02. | ||
# You've got to accentuate the positive. # Eliminate the negative. | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
# And latch on to the affirmative. # Don't mess with Mr In-Between. # | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
You've got to spread joy up to the maximum. # And bring gloom down to | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
the minimum. # And have faith or pandemonium is liable to walk upon | :57:20. | :57:28. | |
the scene. # To illustrate my last remark. # Jonah in the whale. # | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
Noah in the ark. # What did they do just when everything looked so | :57:34. | :57:43. | |
dark? # Man, they said, we'd better accentuate the positive. # And | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
eliminate the negative. # And latch on to the affirmative. # Don't mess | :57:49. | :57:59. | |
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