28/04/2013 The Andrew Marr Show

some warmer weather, many people's thoughts are turning to the promise

of summer and holidays. That's certainly true of our MPs. As of

last week, they only have to put in nine days in Parliament between now

and June. Nice work if you can get it. Joining me today for our review

of the Sunday newspapers, the editor of the Sunday Times Magazine, Sarah

Baxter, and the deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats, Simon Hughes.

This week's local elections will be the most telling test of voters'

opinions since the Eastleigh by-election. Just how is the

coalition faring at this tricky stage of the often troubled

marriage? And what kind of effect are austerity cuts having on the

government's mid-term popularity? Some estimates say the Tories might

lose up to 500 seats in English councils.

I will be joined later by the Conservative cabinet minister,

Patrick McLoughlin. As Transport Secretary, he has been dealing with

Treasury demands for further cuts at his department. So what does that

mean for our potholed roads, rail network and full to bursting

airports? The Labour Party's critics claim

that its frontbench is bereft of fresh ideas and new policies. That's

not something the shadow health secretary can be accused of. Andy

Burnham will be joining me later to discuss his proposal to combine

health and social care in what even sceptics say is a radical move.

And I will be asking one of our most iconic actresses about her

triumphant return to prime-time television. Diana Rigg is back as

one of Doctor Who's most unexpected adversaries, and she will be telling

me how her 1960s image always catches up with her. I think I am a

mousepad! I don't want to be a mousepad, but I am. I am also a

screensaver. Thank you very much. And the woman behind Facebook,

corporate America's most influential female figure, Sheryl Sandberg, will

be telling me how she wants to inspire women to triumph in the

boardroom or the Cabinet room. And we have got some timeless music

from an extraordinary new voice, Blues Boy Dan Owen, with a sound all

his own. Roll Me Up and Smoke Me When I Die.

First, over to Naga for the morning's news headlines.

Good morning. Police in Bangladesh are questioning two engineers after

a building collapsed, killing more than 350 people. At least 29

survivors were found yesterday, almost four days after the building

collapsed on the outskirts of Dhaka. Workers are using cutting equipment

to try to free them. This was an eight storey building.

Now, just a heap of concrete rubble. This building contained a

few clothing factories and a shopping centre. Hundreds of people

were busy at work when it came crashing down on Wednesday. More

than 2000 people have been rescued. But hundreds are still thought to be

trapped inside. Rescue workers are aware that they are racing against

time. Even days after the disaster, they are finding people alive. The

rescue operation is basic. Holes are drilled through concrete floors.

Water and medicine are sent through these holes. This morning, rescue

workers found another group of people trapped in the rubble. They

are working frantically to save them. British retail firm Primark

has already admitted that one of its suppliers was inside the building.

It said it was saddened by the incident. Families are struggling to

come to terms with the tragedy. But the relatives of those missing, the

agony continues. This is Bangladesh's worst ever industrial

disaster. The building had developed cracks a day before the incident,

but the workers were ordered to return to the production lines. Two

factory owners have been taken into custody, along with two engineers

involved in approving the building's safety. The tour --

disaster has triggered protests by workers demanding better conditions.

Many believe the latest incident should be a wake-up call for the

industry producing billions of dollars' worth of clothes for major

Western retailers. Italians are waking up this morning

to a new government after a deal was struck ending two months of

political deadlock since the general election. The prime minister will be

the centre-left leader, Enrico Letta, who has gone into coalition

with his rivals in the centre-right People of Freedom Party, led by the

former prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi. It is hoped that the

deal will ease worries in the stock markets. The country is still

plagued by economic trouble after becoming one of the first eurozone

victims of the global financial crisis.

The Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, has suggested

that wealthier pensioners should pay back benefits like free bus travel

and help with their heating bills. In a newspaper interview, he said

there was "no indication" of any change to the current system, but

encouraged those who didn't need the money to hand it back to the state.

The coalition is divided over the future of universal benefits for

pensioners. A ban on larger retailers displaying

cigarettes and tobacco is coming into force in Scotland. Similar

rules are already in place in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Stores that don't comply could face prosecution or a fine. The ban was

challenged in court by retailers, who said there was no evidence it

would stop younger people from taking up smoking.

The Duke of Edinburgh has presented new colours to 3rd Battalion, The

Royal Canadian Regiment during a brief visit to Toronto. As Philip,

the regiment's Colonel in Chief, was pictured with a badly bruised eye,

but Buckingham Palace has played down fears about his health. It is

understood that he did not fall and simply woke up with the bruising a

few days ago. That's all from me. I will be be

back with the headlines before ten o'clock.

Let's have a look at the front pages this morning. The Sunday Times says

intervening in Syria risks all out war, the warning from the UK's

military chief. And Boris Johnson on the front at a Heathrow protest

yesterday in West London. The Independent as a front page to make

you smile, the happy list. They say it is the real big society, their

list of all the voluntary workers who give us a reason to smile.

Scotland on Sunday has the SNP under fire from yes campaigners. Alex

Salmond needs to be more radical, it says. They Sunday Telegraph is

focusing on human rights. Home Office Fiori after the drug dealer

immigrant wins the right to stay in the UK because of family life here.

The Duchess of Cambridge is also on the front page, plenty of coverage

of her inside the papers. The Observer has a UKIP story that is

dominating a lot of papers. The mail on Sunday - Big Brother to switch

off your fridge. This is saying that computer chips will take control of

home appliances when our energy is low. If you are using too much

power, you might find that your French will go off. The Sunday

express says NHS reforms will kill cancer patients. The Sun has a story

on Ronaldo, and the Sunday Mirror as well. Let's have a better look now

with Sarah Baxter and Simon Hughes, who have been going through them.

Simon, UKIP is a story that caught your eye? Yes. On the front page, it

says UKIP have very few policies and can't agree what they are, which is

what I have discovered as well. During the week, I was quizzing the

leader of UKIP on his tax policy, which a couple of days before, he

had said was a flat tax rate of 31p in the pound. Then I asked him on

Thursday, and he said, we don't have that policy any more. People have to

vote this week for very serious councils. People understand that

they are a right-wing party to the right of the Tory party, because

they believe in the regulation. But if, to use the example of the people

on the front page of the Observer, members of their party say "as soon

as more than two people get in a room, progress stops". There is a

suggestion by right-wing think tanks to lend the party credibility. I

hope people are not deceived. not put people off from voting for

them in Eastleigh. They have an unprecedented number of candidates

in these elections. People have to think of what the result is of what

they do. In a by-election, you protest against the government of

the day, that is understandable. But these are local council elections

which will run health, education and social services. Safer to go with

people where you know where they stand. But Sarah, they are worrying

a lot of people. They have got some pretty ragbag candidates. They have

people from the National front, from the BNP, from the English Defence

League. They will come under a lot of scrutiny now that they are doing

well. But it is no surprise that they are doing well, because there

has been a gap for a protest party ever since screaming Lord such did

and you guys became respectable and joined the government. I plead

guilty. A lot of people would say the parties are worried about UKIP

and the effect they are having. A party spokesman from UKIP is saying

that UKIP has been subjected to record a naked smear campaign and

that politicians of political parties are going through social

media and trying to discredit the party. Yesterday, I was at

Hampshire, on the doorstep. I saw no smear campaign. There was a contest.

We were trying to win the seat from the Conservatives. UKIP was not in

that conversation. I met one person who said they might be tempted to

vote for UKIP. Everybody is trying to win seats in the conventional

way. The major parties are trying to win seats conventionally. If there

is a UKIP challenge, we try to deal with it. But do you really know what

they stand for? They have views on Europe and immigration, but not much

else. There is an interview with Boris Johnson in your magazine, the

Sunday Times Magazine, with David Cameron, talking about Boris.

saying Boris can do whatever he likes. What does that mean?Will

Boris come back into Parliament before the next election? He is in

prime position to take over from David Cameron, should the Tories

lose. David Cameron has decided the best policy is to hold your friends

close and your enemies even closer by saying, I love Boris. And when

asked if he could come back, he says, Boris can do whatever he

likes. He has already brought in his brother. Yes, the first Johnson in

Downing Street, Jo Johnson. He is sitting on a very safe seat in

Orpington. Some think he could be the first Johnson PM. But the nature

of the rivalry between these political beasts, David Cameron and

Boris Johnson, who both went to Eton, is revealed in the magazine

today. David Cameron says he watched the BBC documentary on Boris and

discovered to his delight that Boris got a second. Guess who got a first?

David Cameron. As did Boris's brother. Lots of competition.

the Johnsons were raised to compete with each other. So now Jo is in

Downing Street, Boris will try harder. Another story in the Sunday

Times. This is a development of this tax dodging story. The government is

trying to make sure companies pay their tax and individuals pay their

tax when they should, and to deal with tax havens. The latest

revelation - tax dodgers hide behind charities. Charities who have never

received any money are being named by companies and individuals as the

recipients of their money from offshore havens like the British

Virgin Islands. Unwittingly?Cancer Research UK and the NSPCC were among

charities named as beneficiaries from a trust. The charities were not

told about the trust and received no money. The Crocodile Dundee actor

was investigated for illegal tax activities. He named Red Cross.

Hogan admits this was a sham. If you name a charity, that prevents

further investigation as to who the beneficiaries are. The government

want to make sure we expose the beneficiaries so that people know

where the money goes. Let's move on to the story about pensioners'

benefits. Iain Duncan Smith says, hand them back if you can afford

to. A lot of people can afford to hand their bus passes and free TV

licence money back. But why should we give it to the state to spend

badly? I say am coming on from this charity story where charities have

been named as recipients for things they didn't receive, why don't we

give it to charity? Couldn't IDS come up with a plan to incentivise

that? Nobody will give their money back to the state. How could you

return your bus pass? You could write a cheque to Mr IDS at the

British Treasury? Is this something you will look at after the election?

At the moment, pensioners have done very well. They have been protected

against housing benefit changes. They have had the best pension

increases since Lord Asquith invented the pension. There is a

debate about that, whether the millionaire pensioner, and I am not

claiming most are, but some pensioners have very high incomes.

Should they receive the same as everybody else? It is on the agenda.

All parties will have to address it. The idea is that those who don't

need them could potentially pay their winter fuel money into a

charity, and then the charity could get the tax benefit. Lots of

coverage of the story in Bangladesh and these horrific scenes we have

seen of people being pulled out alive from this eight storey

building. it is a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the huge number

of people. Dhaka is the head of a populous country, and I'm glad that

it has finally risen to the top of our news here. Often get the sense

that if five people are killed in the States, it is headline news here

but if 500 killed in the third World, nothing is reported. It

raises wider questions. Who are the companies building the buildings?

Who are the companies employing the workers? Primark appears to be one

of them, selling clothes to us at very cheap costs because they pay

low wages. That is a Commonwealth conference coming up later and if

they want to gain credibility to make sure the countries in the

Commonwealth have minimum standards for workers, not just saying how

terrible this is. I have always had the feeling, paying five quid for a

T-shirt, that must be a story of suffering and poverty there. Now we

know that is true, one with Baiji loads we are buying into the

exportation of labour from other countries. -- when we buy cheap

clothes. We have had a fair trade campaign. People think they are

buying fair trade food. Clothing exports is a huge part of the

economy of someplace like Bangladesh. It is a huge gamble and

we in the West should be able to do something about that. A totally

different subject. The Duchess of Cambridge. She has been in the news

every day. This one is about the sex of her baby, which is causing

endless regulation. In the latest clue is that she has bought a buddy

in baby blue. In many prams have you seen in shocking pink? Not too many.

I had one of these bodies for my first child, who was a girl, and

guess what colour it was? Blue. This does us nothing. She is on the front

pages today, donating money, as King for money to be donated to hospices,

which is a good cause. And recommend that. Like the assumption that they

know. Do you think they do? They may not even know. I did, but they did

not tell anybody. Why would not be surprised if they were in that

situation. The other talk is about her bump and is the bomb big enough.

Tanya Gold is very funny in the Sunday Times comment pages, go she

says that the bumper is not even born and already she is being

described as too thin. That is Eric -- that is our obsession with Royal

bodies. She certainly looks happy. And let's talk about the happy list,

which I'm sure will make a few able smile. There are a few lists in the

papers. The happy list in the Independent, and the rich list for

sport in the Sunday Times. I think there is a worthy comparison. The

sports rich list shows people, David Beckham, 106 the �5 million although

he is giving away the money he is earning at the moment, Lennox

willing -- Lennox Lewis, �95 million, Lewis Hamilton, �60

million. In the happiness list, Bernard Neve done runs an inner-city

rugby club for tigers and they know him -- for youngsters and I know

him. There are a whole range of people who live their life for

nothing. They do not ask for money in return. Love this story. Here is

a man who looks like an accountant, but has the soul of James Bond, and

until recently he was the Director General of MI5. Jonathan Evans, not

a man one had heard of much for good reason, because he was in charge of

our internal security. But now that he has retired, he has come out as a

Maserati enthusiast and said that he did not used to be able to dry one

because it draws too much attention to yourself and you have to drive a

Vauxhall, but actually his passion is driving in Maserati, blasting

Tina Turner 's simply the best. are not a Twitter user, but Ed Balls

tweeted his name a couple of years ago. I'm thinking was searching his

name and he accidentally press send. It reveals that everybody is

actually keen to see where the feature. In response, this is the

anniversary today so if Ed Balls is trending, it is because it is Ed

Balls date. Some of the saddest tweeters in the universe are

tweeting at 4:30pm today. That is for real political geeks. -- Ed

Balls day. Now it was sunny and warm for many of us at the end of the

week and a bit chilly today. With the threat of more rain. Will April

showers bring forth May flowers as the old saying goes?

the old saying goes? Good morning. It has been jolly

chilly this morning in the south and east where we have had cloudless

skies. For today, no April showers except in the North. For most of us,

cloudy and cool. Showers to the north, punching holes through Easter

and Scotland. The sunshine baby with us yet for a few hours. -- the

sunshine may be with us yet. This weather fronts bringing increasing

cloud, wind and patchy rain. Some sunshine breaking out across

Northern Ireland and eventually across northern England between the

showers. Where we have that cloud, we will struggle with temperatures

in the Midlands just eight and nine. Warmer than yesterday. It is worth

noting that some of the showers in the North could fall as sleet and

snow. The overnight wind pushing cloud out of the way. But the wind

will alleviate much frost. As for tomorrow, back to April showers for

the last couple of days of April. But with wind in the South on

Tuesday, it should start to feel Tuesday, it should start to feel

springlike. One of the world's most powerful businesswomen, Sheryl

Sandberg, senior executive at Facebook, has been in the UK

lately, promoting her campaign to encourage other women to reach for

the top in their career. She has written a book cold Lean In,

analysing why so few women make it to corporate leadership in the

business world. And she's challenging them to recognise the

problem and bring about equality, not least by doing more of the

childcare and domestic work. We met to discuss her call to arms and

began by asking her about the main obstacles that trip women up on the

career path. Women are held back by many things, determination, sexism,

childcare that is too expensive, and public policy and institutional

policies. But we are affected by the stereotypes with which we are

raised. Dirty shirt maker babies, for boys, smart like daddy, for mum,

pretty like money. Women are outstripping men at University, but

they come up against this glass ceiling, still. The corporate world

is dominated an end. That is it. And those stereotypes do not help.

applaud leadership in men and boys but we call the girls C. One of the

messages of my book is that the next time someone is about to call a

little girl Bossi, we should say she has management potential. Is it not

true that the only way to get more executive women is positive to

scream and eight and? There are a lot of discussions across Europe

about women and they do not presume to decide about public policy, but

he was what I know. Quarters alone will not do it. There are countries

in Europe and Scandinavia that have had quarters for some time and they

have less than 3% of the top companies run by women. But they

have more than 40% of women on boards. Because the quarters are in

place, but it has not put more women in the jobs where decisions are

made. -- quarters. IRQ that we need to fix public policy and fix the

institutions in society but we also need to tear down the stereotypes

because we have two to get more women into leadership roles. You

talk about getting where you got. Have to say, reading it, we have

both got two children and it sounds exhausting. Getting up at 5am before

your newborn baby? You had one day off on maternity league -- maternity

leave before you were back at work. My second baby, took time off. What

matters is making things more equal for women. Women are under

tremendous pressure. Most women in this country and mine work full time

and have two. There is a myth that men can have career and family and

women can only have one. You need to wake up and understand that most

women have both. And that means we cannot do twice as much as our

husbands in the home and not be exhausted. Women put pressure on

themselves and their is an internal question, can you have it all, which

is asked the whole time. If we could do anything for women, let's get rid

of that phrase. No matter how much we all have and how great things

are, no one has it all. We make trade-offs, men and women, every

minute. I'm sitting with you right now and I'm not in my office. I'm

playing with my child right now, I not outside with friends. I am going

to York, I am not sleeping. Whatever we do, we make trade-offs. -- going

to yoga. Are you advocating a new feminist movement or is this a

self-help manual? I have never finished -- considered myself a

feminist because somehow that was distasteful or unnecessary. We did

not need feminism because it was all going to be equal and graduated from

university thinking it would be. were graduating at the same rate as

the men, in my entry-level call levels were the same rate and that

God would continue. And every year, it decreases. And so I think we need

feminism. And by that, I have embraced the world and call my dad

have embraced the word in there, so the feminist. I'm back -- I am

embarrassed I did not do it before. You talk about Facebook in your book

and many people look at Facebook and the way that young people,

particularly children and teenagers, use it, and worry about the way, the

impact it is having on them and their relationships with others,

their relationship with individuals. Not just Facebook, social media. You

must worry about that. The printing press, when it was invented people

thought it would destroy learning. Why learn anything if you do not

have two memorise anything? When the telephone was invented people

thought it would destroy relationships. How could you have a

meaningful relationship -- meaningful conversation with this

technology? I think the benefits of technology are overwhelmingly

positive. Per the season issue and people worry about how much you

forward photographs. It can be put to hundreds of thousands of people.

With that power is the response ability to understand the technology

and use it responsibly. Should you give more help to younger people?

There is a generation who are just over sharing. Every detail of their

lives. Should you not give more help to them to let them know how to use

it more safely? We do two things for young people. We give them a of help

and we restrict their share. If you are a teenager on Facebook and you

try to share with the whole world, you are just sharing with friends

and friends of friends. Teenagers do not have the ability that adults

have two share as broadly. restrict it. Nor you are a great

admirer of Hillary Clinton. I wonder, as are you talking about

whether she might be the next, the first female president. Is politics

something you might be heading towards? Not myself but I have high

hopes for her. I'm doing all that I can do for her. If you get the phone

call, you must have some eye on that in the future? I love what I'm doing

at Facebook. We connect with a billion people. Sharing makes us

closer. This is now but as for the future, who knows? It is harder to

fight someone you know. We launched organ donations here, and that has

dramatically increased. I think we have so much more to do and I'm

excited to be part of it. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.

Now, the NHS is never far from the political front line, and last week

was no exception, with rows over nurses training and waiting times in

accident and emergency departments. Before the last election, the

Conservatives said the NHS was safe in their hands, but Labour claimed

the coalition's changes to the health service are a waste of

money, diverted resources from patient care. So how would a Labour

government deal with the multiple pressures on the NHS, such as a

growing elderly population? The Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham

joins me. You have been talking about your radical plans to merge

social care and hospital care. How would that work? We have to see them

as one system. At the moment, one person has their needs met through

three separate systems, their physical needs through the NHS,

social needs through social care and mental health is separate again. It

is time to bring these together, whole person care, G physical,

mental and social in one system. That means merging the NHS with

council social care. By doing that, we can get much better value for

money. At the moment, these two systems don't work well together.

Older people get trapped in hospital because there was not support in the

community, and that wastes money. And these are concrete plans?

is what you would do if you win the next election? These are emerging

plans. I put forward a proposal that we should merge the NHS and social

care, and the Labour Party is debating that. But this is my

direction of travel. It is time to update our system for the 21st

century. The ageing society demands it. There are questions the system

cannot answer to the public's satisfaction. People get passed from

pillar to post in the battle for support. They have to tell the same

story to everyone who comes through the door, because councils and the

NHS don't work together. Let's give people one point of contact for all

of their care needs. If mum or dad goes into hospital, let's have

social care support going with them. But these are ideas, not concrete

plans? You are not saying this is what will happen if Labour win the

next election? These are our ideas that we have taken to the Labour

Party. They have not yet been endorsed by the Labour Party

conference, but that will happen in due course. Who would be in charge,

though? The NHS? Do you take social care out of the power of local

authorities? My proposal is to have the NHS leading an all provision,

the physical, mental and social. At the moment, the social is done by

the council. I think the NHS should look after the whole person. To

balance that, councils should lead on decommissioning. They would hold

the budget. Then they could make a better link between health and

housing, health and education, health and leisure, all of the wider

things that determine our health. Councils are best placed to set a

strategy for good local health. Where does the money come from for

this? As you know, the NHS is struggling as it is. It needs real

term increases. Is that what you would give? We have to get more for

the money we currently put into the NHS and social care. We spend around

�1 billion on the NHS and 15 to 20 on social care. Social caring

England is a malnourished, minimum wage system. It is not working. It

will never deliver the standards we aspire to forever body's parents

from a system that delivers ten minute slots in peoples homes by

staff who are not properly trained or awarded. If the NHS were to lift

standards in social care, we would get better value for money. At the

moment, we are seeing the collapse of social care, we are seeing older

people trapped in expensive hospital beds. That is not spending the

budget well. This is about getting more for what people currently put

into the system. So you avoid an unnecessary trip to hospital and get

fewer elderly people in hospital beds. That implies that you need

fewer hospitals. Is that what we are looking at under a Labour

government, hospital closures? might mean fewer hospital beds, but

I am not talking about closures of a NES Mac or other essential services.

At the moment, we have too many older people in hospital beds. They

are held in hospital because there is nowhere else for them. We allow

people to fail at home and drift towards hospital. That is not good

for them or for the taxpayer. Let's support people in their home, give

them all that they need - physical, mental and social support in one

package. That makes better use of resources. It would also involve

more money. No, it doesn't. The NHS was created 65 years ago. What a

wonderful step forward it was, but it did not building the social side

of care. And as we are all getting older, that is becoming a bigger

problem because we have a system where one person's needs are not

properly met. The reason why older people become lost in parts of

hospitals and becoming dehydrated is because there is not the social

support on the board to look after them. I am sure a lot of people

would welcome people being able to move from hospital beds into their

own homes, but the NHS is struggling for money. Where will that money

come from? It needs real term increases. Is that what you would

give it under a Labour government? We have always predicted the NHS and

we would carry on doing that. But I am not talking about new money, but

getting better value for the money we are already putting in. If you go

into any hospital today and asked the chief executive how many older

people should not be here, but can't be discharged because there is not

support in the community, they will say about a third of the beds are

trapped in that way. That is not financially going forward. We have

to provide better support in the home. At the moment, there is no

incentive to invest in the preventative side of care, which is

social care. We have to turn this system on its head. We have to give

the NHS the incentive to support people properly at home, giving them

high-quality, whole person support. That is a big change the Labour

Party is bringing forward. It is about extending the NHS in the

century of the ageing society. It is about getting better value for the

budget that we already put in. talk more about general politics.

Labour are being accused of not having enough concrete ideas. What

would you say to that? We are beginning now to set out our stall.

We are two years from a general election, and it is right that we

start to come forward. Look at what Ed Miliband was saying yesterday

about a living wage. That is the beginning of a genuine alternative

on work and benefits that is distinctly Labour. The coalition

have tried to take forward the benefits debate by dividing people

between strivers and skivers. I think that is crude and unpleasant

politics. Ed Miliband is saying we have to do away with that. Many

people who receive benefits are in work, it is just that they don't get

paid a decent wage, or they are not given enough hours to work. So we

subsidise low pay in this company. A living wage would help address

that. I would personally say to go further and ban things like zero

hours contracts. That is a Labour response to the debate about work

and benefits. Labour are the party of work. Thank you very much.

Now, for almost 50 years, Diana Rigg has been a truly iconic star. The

since she turned self defence into an artform in the avengers, she has

been a sensation. The need Bond girl to actually married 007, we gave as

good as she got in on her magister Secret Service. A distinguished

stage career has brought her theatre's top awards as well as a

damehood. Now she is returning to where it all began, television. Dame

Diana is playing a crafty queen in Game Of Thrones, and she has had a

particular honour bestowed on her by the makers of Doctor Who. Writer

Mark Gatiss has created an entire episode for her and her daughter.

When we met, I asked what it was like to play the Time Lord's latest

foe. Can you imagine the joy? And such wonderful parts. Outrageous

lines, I have to say, which is great fun. Thanks to Mark. And something

that took you back to your Yorkshire roots, because you were born in

Doncaster. But you did not grow up their? Know, when I was about two

months old, I went to India, where my parents were, and stayed there

until I was about seven and then came back to England. So I never had

a Yorkshire accent, but it was great joy speaking one.

You do seem to keep turning up like a bad penny. Force of habit.Can I

offer you teach? Know, thanks. We have had a skin for already, you

might say. I am the Doctor, you're nuts and I'm going to stop you.

afraid I cannot allow that. You have been part of so many iconic series.

The avengers, of course, James Bond. You were the only Bond girl to marry

the man himself. And now Doctor Who, which itself has a cult following.

Are you ready for all this? I don't know what will happen. But I

remember after the avengers, I was very young and I had no idea. Now I

am very much older. I am not too keen on the publicity. I prefer to

keep a low profile where that is concerned. But if it gives other

people pleasure, which is part of the great joy of our profession,

then I am delighted. But just keep away! The fame, when you played an

appeal in the avengers, that hits you suddenly. It did. I was totally

unprepared. I was remembering the other day, I was driving away from

the studio and I think it was a reporter from the Daily Mirror, he

actually got into the car with the and insisted on driving back to

London with me and asking me questions on the way. Which was

extraordinary. But in those days, people did that. And of course, I

didn't have a bodyguard or what they have now. Real invasion of privacy.

A telly star had a completely different influence on people. You

became part of their homes, part of their lives and a part owned you. So

the whole emphasis was on familiarity, getting to know you. In

the old days, a star was somebody up there, like Greta Garbo. At a telly

star was somebody you could approach and touch and part owned, in a way.

So that was difficult. And the fame was extraordinary. I didn't know

what to do with the fan mail. I just used to put it in the back of my

mini! I didn't have a secretary. I didn't have photographs. In the end,

I asked my mother to do it. She used to read these letters from young men

and white back and say, my daughter is far too old for you. You need a

good run around the block. Get real! But fame nowadays is very different.

It is almost far more immediate, whereas you -- people have more

access to information, and camera phones. Terrible. I don't contribute

to anything, but on the telly, my history is up there. I think I am a

mouse pad. I don't want to be a mouse pad, but I am. I am also a

screensaver. Thank you very much. It is weird. It is not just Doctor Who

you are in. Game Of Thrones, this hit TV series. You are being

likened... It is said that you are to Game Of Thrones what Maggie Smith

is to down to an abbey. It is a fantastic part. Wonderful. I

couldn't ask for better lines. Also, the costume is to restrict. As an

old bag, I don't have to spend hours in make-up. I have got a wimple, and

I am completely covered up. It is great. 15 minutes in make-up and 15

minutes to get dressed. You should have stayed well out of

this. But once the cow has been milked, there is no squirting the

greenback up her other, so here we are. What do you say to that? Shall

we have some lemon cake? She says all the things that other

people dare not say. Is that you?A bit of me, candid. You seem to be

revelling in it. I adore it. And I am so lucky. I could be sitting at

home, grumbling, but I am not. Now, a huge sigh of relief at the

Treasury last week after better-than-expected figures stopped

the UK economy from falling into a triple dip recession. But as the

Chancellor pointed out, the path to recovery is proving difficult and

building our way to growth is one solution being urged on the

government ASH infrastructure projects such as new roads, railways

and perhaps more airport runways could create jobs and boost the

economy. But they often run into planning problems, and where would

the money come from when the Treasury is trying to cut borrowing

and the private sector is nervous of taking risks? Transport is an area

crying out for investment. I am joined by the Transport Secretary,

Patrick McLoughlin. You talked to your Cabinet colleagues last week

about how transport could be used to promote growth. What will you do?

The Chancellor has been very good in protecting the capital budget so

that we can do infrastructure investment. At the moment, we have

the largest construction anywhere in Europe. Crossrail is moving under

London. Birmingham new Street station is opening today, that is

600 million pounds of investment. Next month, Newcastle station starts

a redevelopment. There is a huge amount of things going on. What

about the roads, which need urgent attention? There is a lot of

attention and investment going into the roads. We have to look at

getting more investment, but one of the things we're doing at the moment

is making proper use of the infrastructure that is already

there. Something called Manage Motorways, which sounds boring but

is very important. There is a lot of work going on, extending that by 70

miles. Instead of having work going on over three carriageways, we have

four carriageways operating. That is a bit short term. You ask me what

we're doing and I'm telling you what we're doing. Longer term, there are

some schemes we are looking at. The A14, how do we get a better system?

It was announced as a shovel ready project in 2011. It is not even

underway. It was not shovel ready, it is a project that needs to be

looked at. We need private finance. We do not want to keep an eye always

on the taxpayer. We need other finance. And that is the crux of the

problem, encouraging private investment, which is proving tricky.

It is difficult. But we are achieving private finance. We have

done that as far as some of the tunnels and bridges are concerned.

Actually, infrastructure projects take a long time. It is right that

we get them right. That is one of the reasons why this government is

spending and committing to spend a huge amount on the railways. We have

seen passenger numbers double. I want to talk about roads. You talk

about private investment. I suppose you can understand why people are

put off putting money into roads when you look at things like the

Msix toll. Lorries will have to go free for a month? We have to look at

what is happening. Certain lessons can be learned. Taiwan to meet with

the management. It is not a good advert. -- I want to meet with

management. If you are trying to encourage investment, the roads are

in need of improvement and it is not a good advert. And we will be

addressing the whole question of how you get private finance into the

roads rated this year. And will be publishing a document along those

lines. -- later this year. The head of the AA called our roads a

national embarrassment. The fact that we are temporarily repairing

potholes, which costs 20 times more than resurfacing. People are calling

on the government to go and invest the money in long-term solutions. In

George Osborne in the Autumn statement found an extra �300

million. Yes, we can spend more money. It is difficult at the

moment, but we are borrowing a huge amount of money. We have to get the

deficit down. We have got the deficit down by a third and we have

to keep working on that so that we can do more. But the whole thing I'm

doing at the Department of Transport at the moment is looking at the way

that we get infrastructure investment and capital expenditure

on the roads. �300 million last year, �200 million for the highways

agency schemes, and 170 million pounds for local authorities. That

is at a time where it is very tough for finances but the transfer -- but

the Chancellor is committed. At the moment, we do not know what we are

going to do about the throw, whether it will be expanded order will be a

new airport in the Thames estuary. Boris Johnson said that the

government has to rule out the third runway before the next election. You

have been pressing me about infrastructure spending but Gatwick

airport, over �1 billion is being spent. Heathrow airport, �2.4

billion being spent on a new terminal. That is investment of...

We're talking about one term. But you ask me about the present. Let

media with the future in the moment. -- we are talking about long

term. That investment is making a huge difference. The London airports

are being owned by separate people and we see huge investments. As far

as the future is concerned, it is right that we look at exactly what

we're going to be doing as far as aviation capacity is concerned. One

of the things that I did Wanna go to Department -- when I've got to the

Department was to set up a commission. Even the man doing the

commission admitted that this could have been done before the next

election. For political reasons, David Cameron does not want to go

back on a promise. It is right that we do the work and the commission

has been broadly welcomed. They are looking at all the options because

there are different opinions as to what should happen as far as London

and aviation capacity is concerned. It will do a proper job and give me

an interim report by the end of the year. We will see where we go.

Something far more immediate, the local elections on Thursday. How

worried are you about UKIP? I'm not worried about UKIP. The truth is

that they can say different things to different people. I've read in

certain areas that they are against high-speed rail and yet they fought

the last election committed to building three high-speed railway

lines. They say that the Conservatives are running scared and

that they are behind a smear campaign. The papers are full of

negative stories about UKIP and they say that the Tories are behind many

of these. That they have been finding stories in social media,

about things that UKIP candidates have done in the past. I think

candidates was put under scrutiny and think it is right. Why should

their candidates get away without scrutiny that other parties have?

do not know anything about a smear campaign but do not that if you want

low council tax, councils that are committed to not increasing council

tax, the best thing to do on Thursday is to vote Conservative and

see those Conservative councils. So it is OK to go through social media

and find stories against rivals? I do not know that that has happened

but it is something that happens for all parties, candidates are put

under scrutiny. I'm concerned that these elections are very important,

and they will decide the council tax levels. I would ask people to look

at the records of their councils. In the main, Conservative councils have

kept zero % council tax rises. you look at the impact of that

austerity drive to having a broad, we have a new government in Iceland

announced and one in Italy. There is much concern that the government,

potentially, is facing an anti-austerity drive and that could

go the same way in our next election. Voted out on austerity.

The easiest thing to do would be to close our eyes to the economic

situation. That would be the wrong thing. We have to hold our nerve. We

have brought the deficit down and that is important. Think people

appreciate that. They know that we are still borrowing a huge amount of

money. We have to bring the deficit down.

No two Naga for the news headlines. Thank you. Patrick McLoughlin said

that he is not worried about UKIP at all. He said that it was right to

put the candidates under scrutiny. UKIP have accused the Conservatives

of running a morally reprehensible campaign, by trawling through

Twitter and Facebook looking for smears.

Nine survivors have been found in the collapsed building in

Bangladesh. Emergency teams have brought in heavy lifting gear as

they try to rescue more people. At least 350 are known to have died in

the disaster, which happened four days ago.

That is from me for now. Next news on BBC One is at midday. Back to

Sophie in a moment but first, look at what is coming up after this

programme. Join us at 10pm from Birmingham where we have added

social networkers and victims of trolling debates. We have people who

think the Kings and Queens should have retirement options and that

civil partnerships should be the right of everyone.

Dan Owen is a 20-year-old singer songwriter from Shrewsbury. He has

hardly played to more than a handful of people, really, but suddenly all

that is changing. Sitting in his Hawaii home on the other side of the

world, the legendary founder of Fleetwood Mac, Mick Fleetwood

stumbled upon a clip of lose by Dan on YouTube and thought, what a great

voice, and that he should be playing to more than a few folk in pubs and

bars. Now the Shropshire Lad has been booked to play at Glastonbury

and he's going to to with ZZ Top. Things are looking up. Good morning.

And it is all because of a YouTube clip. That is it. It is weird how it

all happened. It will give a lot of hope to those thousands of budding

musicians. Until last week, you had never been out of the country. You

got on a plane for the first time last week and ended up in Nashville.

Yes, which was an amazing place full I was recording with the Grammy

award-winning producer. It was a bit of an experience. And you played in

front of some of your heroes. We went to Willie Nelson 's 80th

birthday party, with Neil Young and Sheryl Crow and Norah Jones. Some

amazing people. To see them in front of me... And you are going to play

one of his songs now? I am, Roll Me Up and Smoke Me When I Die.

Obviously, your career is taking off. We will hear from you in a

moment but we are most out of time for this week will stop package of

my guess is. Jeremy Vine will be here next Sunday, joined by the

BBC's chairman, Chris Patten, actress or we won a maker, and there

will be music from Nigel Kennedy. -- Zoe Wanamaker. Until then, we leave

you with Dan Owen and the number made famous by Willie Nelson, Roll

Me Up and Smoke Me When I Die. # Roll me up and smoke me when I

die. # And if anyone don't like it, just

look 'em in the eye. # Say I didn't come here, and I

ain't leavin'. # So don't sit around and cry.

# Just roll me up and smoke me when I die.

# You won't see no sad and teary eyes.

# When I get my wings and it's my time to fly.

# Just call my friends and tell them.

# There's a party, come on by. # And just roll me up and smoke me

when I die. # Roll me up and smoke me when I

die. # And if anyone don't like it, just

look 'em in the eye. # Say I didn't come here, and I

ain't leavin'. # So don't sit around and cry.

# Just roll me up and smoke me when I die. # Well just take me out and

build a roaring fire. # And just roll me in the flames for

about an hour. # And then pull me out and twist me up. # And point me

towards the sky. # And roll me up and smoke me when I die. # Roll me

up and smoke me when I die. # And if anyone don't like it, just look 'em

in the eye. # Say I didn't come here, and I ain't leavin'. # So

don't sit around and cry. # Just roll me up and smoke me when I die.

# Just roll me up and smoke me when I die. # And if anyone don't like