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Education Secretary, Stephen Twigg. What is Labour 's big plan for

schools and teaching, and how do those differ from what Michael Gove

is doing? I would also talk to aim edition who was speaking live smack

receiving rough until his life was turned around by the companionship

of a cat. -- I will also talk to a musician who was sleeping rough. And

having earned his acting spurs with a memorable fellow -- Othello, Lenny

I will speak to him later about a modern American classic and what it

has to say about race, fatherhood and love. All that and more coming

up. First, the news with Naga Munchetty.

Large protests across Egypt will today call for the resignation of

President Mohamed Morsi on the first anniversary of his election. His

opponents accuse him of failing to tackle the country 's security

problems. Tensions have been higher ahead of the demonstrations, with at

least three evil dying on Friday. -- three people. It will be cheaper

to use mobile phones in Europe tomorrow as operators are forced --

forced to bring roaming charges down. The EU is lowering prices in

an effort to reduce charges for those using mobile phones outside

their home country. The cost of making and receiving calls will also

come down. Using a mobile phone abroad can be a risky business. If

you surf the Internet while you are away, you could get a nasty shock

when you open your bill. Roaming charges can be eye watering but

perhaps for not much longer. The European Union has been steadily

reducing charges and on Monday the prices will be coming down again.

Data charges will be falling by roughly a third to just over 38p per

megabyte. The cost of making calls is also going down, and incoming

calls, which are already much cheaper, will become once again.

Travellers should still be wary though, this only applies in the

European Union so if you take a holiday in Switzerland or Turkey,

you could still be paying hefty fees, but if you are planning a trip

to Croatia the news is much better. The country joins the EU on Monday

meaning roaming charges will be slashed overnight to a 10th of their

current level. The Prime Minister is in Pakistan,

as he continues efforts to start a peace process in neighbouring

Afghanistan. He held talks with President Zardari yesterday and is

currently meeting newly elected Prime Minister Narwaz Sharif. Mr

Cameron has urged the Taliban to engage in the political process, but

says they must be willing to give up their weapons.

The United States is facing new spying allegations. It's being

accused of bugging the European Union's offices in Washington. The

German news magazine Der Spiegel says it's seen a document from the

American National Security Agency that refers to the EU as a target.

It claims to have been shown the files by the former intelligence

analyst Edward Snowden. The head of the European Parliament has demanded

full clarification about the claims. The death of an elderly man in Las

Vegas is believed to have been connected to the intense heat wave

that's affecting south western parts of the United States. Highs of 54

degrees Celsius are forecast for Death Valley in California, just

three degrees lower than the hottest temperature ever recorded. There are

fears of wildfires and increased pressure on energy supplies with the

conditions expected to last for several more days.

That's all from me, for now. I'll be back with the headlines just before

ten o'clock. Back to you, Jeremy. Let's have a look at the front

pages, and you can see on the Sunday Times an interesting story about a

kidnapped wife. In the Observer, there is Prince Charles being

accused of something. Rent rip-off. The Independent has the Stones, I'm

sure we will be talking about them, they played last night Glastonbury.

An interesting interview with this teacher in the Sun. Let attacked in

the mail. The Sunday people has allegations about Michael Jackson,

and the Sunday Telegraph has a story saying A&E is grinding to a halt. I

know your thoughts are with South Africa.

And with me to review the papers are Sarah Baxter and Sue MacGregor.

president is going to meet Nelson Mandela, and there is an interesting

interview with his second wife, Winnie Mandela. There is this

picture of the president meeting here. What interested me

particularly is the final column on the page, this power shift a

daughter as the family argues over the burial. What is this argument

about the burial? I think he will be buried in the village he was born

and that is according to tribal custom but it is unusual for a woman

to be the head of the family in his culture, but his oldest daughter by

his first wife is now going to take over the reins, one gathers, but

maybe others will not agree with that. There is an interesting

interview with Winnie Mandela in the Mail on Sunday which interested me

because I was lucky enough to get an interview with her when she was

banned on living in Soweto. We got it by subterfuge. She is an

extraordinary woman and she is still very much around. My vigil for

Nelson, the man I still love - I'm sure that is true. She doesn't often

give interviews so I think this is fascinating. She and his present

wife are still good friends but what interested me is that one of their

daughters has been telling the Mail on Sunday that she recalls her

father in the aftermath of his release is a possessive man who

loved her young children but treated her as if "I was still in pigtails

and bobby socks". He persuaded her to stop breast-feeding him so he

could have the baby sleeping in their bed. Sarah, we are getting the

family mapped out in South Africa, seeing a lot of different members.

There are a lot of disputes over where he is buried because there is

a lot of tourist money at stake. One of the Sons has built a big tourist

complex and if people don't go there it will be a shame. I was a young

reporter in South Africa in 1994 and I went to a place that wasn't even

on the map in those days and the apartheid government acted as if

these places didn't exist, and you could see long queues of people

voting for the first time. Winnie Mandela, a very feisty woman but

when you think her husband had been in prison for 27 years and that she

was voting for the first time in her life in 1994, you can see where some

of the ankle was coming from. look closer to home and it is

health, isn't it? This story is about Jeremy Hunt telling GPs to

crack down on the NHS by health tourists. I'm intruding on private

grief here I feel, but the Observer had the story about secret European

deals to hand over private data to America exactly the opposite to what

we heard about in Der Spiegel. This is based on a source that turned out

to be a conspiracy theorist and they have pulled it out, pending

investigation. It lives on in their first editions and people in America

were saying gosh, don't they know how to use Google? ! There is a lot

going on at the Observer. You have an NHS story as well? Yes, it is

partly something Sarah has just talked about because the Observer

has the headlines about Jeremy Hunt telling the GPs to crack down on

news of the NHS, but the story goes into it in some detail. 24 million

pounds worth of unpaid debts, overseas people taking advantage of

free care. Jeremy Hunt is going to do something about this, as we read.

It is very good story and I imagine if he does crack down on it will be

a popular thing to do because all you have to do is have an NHS number

and you can get as much free care as you like which doesn't go down well

with people who have lived here for ages. You have an interesting poll

which doesn't look too good for Labour. Yes, its leaders shrinking,

now it is only five points ahead of the Conservatives and what is really

affecting bringing their lead down is the fact they are not quite

trusted on the economy. In the Sunday Telegraph they are saying the

vote has strong support -- the voters' strong support for the

welfare assault is popular. We are seeing the benefits squeeze, may be

immigrants will have to pay GPs, so... So you think the spending

statement was good for George Osborne last week? I think he had a

pretty good week despite the burger controversy and he is getting some

pretty good polling numbers, certainly the best the coalition has

had for a while anyway. I have a Sunday Telegraph story that involves

the previous Labour Administration, Alistair Darling the former

Chancellor has a nice little story about asking the RBS boss how long

it had got as a bank and the boss said maybe two or three hours so

they had to act very quickly. Later on, I have to confess I have a sort

of interest in this story, Alistair Darling goes very off message in

terms of Labour when he talks about the high-speed rail line that will

be built from London up to initially Birmingham, and Alistair Darling

goes off message when he says that he has now realised he doesn't think

it is a good idea at all. I live in Camden, and also Sarah lives not

quite so close. Camden residents are being very vocal about it I'm glad

to say, but Alistair Darling confesses to having become a sceptic

and brothels off a list of objections. My worry is that it will

suck money out of the budget when money is needed to upgrade the East

Coast Main Line. He is saying why are we spending all of this money

when we need to upgrade our present system? We need to invest and build

and get this country moving. An airport may be a good idea.

Away from that, pay day loans. the time you hitting 5000% interest

rates, enough is enough. The Independent is talking about 1

million people per month falling into their net. They are really the

loan sharks of our time. Interestingly, the Archbishop of

Canterbury has decided to do something about it, which I think is

a splendid idea. He says he is going to have credit unions set up through

a network of churches that would enable people to get loans that are

reasonable. He is a former businessman himself. Customers want

to take out the loan, so they might be the first to complain about this.

I suggest they knock on the Archbishop 's door!

Still with the Sunday Times we can't resist a Wimbledon story. Laura

Robson made it yesterday. She did very well in the last 16. This is

the Sunday Times. She is saying there are a lot of tennis mothers

around, and there have been for ever. I once interviewed Jimmy

Connors' mother will stop -- mother. Laura, who seems a quiet and well

grounded sort of girl, says she doesn't want her mum, who lives in

Greece, to attend her next match for fear of being distracted. I'm doing

OK without her, says Laura. There was rather an extraordinary match

which most of the papers didn't cover because it happens too late

last night. That was the 42-year-old Japanese women's singles player,

Date-Krumm, playing Serena Williams, no less. Date-Krumm looks

like an amiable but very fit Japanese granny. She is the oldest

player in the tournament. 42 is old for a tennis player. But she managed

to get one game off Serena. This is a great story!

She didn't do what the players call it a double bagel, which would have

been 6-0, 6-0. I mentioned at the start of this

story about the kidnapped woman whose husband was shot. This

remarkable account. This woman, Judith Tebbit, she was

on holiday off the coast of Kenny -- Kenya, it was a dream and was woken

up in the middle of the night, men with guns were hustling her into a

boat, dragging her to Somalia, where she spent six months in captivity

and had to learn from her son through the gauche nations that are

husband had been shot. -- negotiations. It is a moving

account. It is here on the front. At one stage, she said the only act of

contrition was that one of the kidnappers held her hands in his and

about her head. She felt a bit of an acknowledgement that they were

sorry. Otherwise, nothing. It was a nightmare experience.

I want you to talk about the radio. Yes, the first week of August. We

have still got a few to make before them. That is a lot of fun for me.

Well, shall I give the game away? My producer doesn't mind. We went to

Dallas about ten days ago and recorded a reunion with five people

who had actually been there and witnessed the assassination of JFK,

or had dealt with the results. One was the surgeon who try to save his

life. One was the man who was handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald when

he was shot. One of them was a spectator, one was a journalist.

They were all intimately concerned with that awful event. And we must

mention the Rolling Stones. Are you over Glastonbury now? I caught some

of them performing. By now want to go back and watch the whole thing.

It was fascinating to watch grandfather Mick Jagger there

strutting around. Some of the newspapers have got his

fitness regime. He is like an opera singer in his regime. In the last

two weeks, he barely spoke at all. He took lots of honey and herbs.

Anyway, Mick, the silent Rolling Stone, rolls into Glastonbury today.

Next up, I want his fitness tips. Late in the programme we will have

some of the Rolling Stones from last night. Lovely to see you. So far

this summer has been less than inspiring. Some sun for most of us

but plenty of rain and cloud, too. Can we count on better weather in

Can we count on better weather in the weeks ahead? Here

Some blue skies and sunshine certainly in the week ahead. Today,

some significantly higher temperatures than we have a news

too, particularly in England and Wales. Central and eastern areas are

very humid. It isn't story in the north and west. More of a cloud and

breeze, and some rain as well. A ban of patchy rain working down into

North England and Wales in the afternoon. Behind that, very

blustery conditions. In fact, gales in Scotland. At least it will be

brightening up with just a few showers by the afternoon. A lot of

cloud around the coasts of Wales and south-west England. The spot of

drizzle here. Further east, we start to work our ways into sunny skies.

Temperatures in the south-east are easily up to 25 or 2060 Greece. That

will feel warm and humid. But that gets swept away overnight. Cooler,

fresh air floods in. A few showers into the Northwest. A cooler and

fresher day tomorrow. But at least fresher day tomorrow. But at least

we see some sunshine. So, yes, we see some sunshine. So, yes,

Jeremy, some blue skies in the next Not bad. New free schools are at the

centre of Michael Gove 's reforms. There will be about 200 by the end

of this year. The Chancellor announced funding for another 180 in

the Spending Review. Clearly, free schools are going to be a battle

line at the next election. Labour wants no more of them. That is what

the Shadow Education Secretary is dead in a speech this week. He is

with me now to talk about it now. -- that is what the Shadow Education

Secretary said. You are going to keep them, even extending?

We don't like them for a number of reasons. Right now around the

country, there is a shortage of school places. The priority for new

schools needs to be the areas which need new schools. And you'd be

governed is fixated on this programme. -- and the government. I

want teaching to be a high status profession. How can it have a high

status if you can employ unqualified people? Secondly, Michael Gove

desired is where the schools go. Local communities don't get a say.

180 more had just been announced. What happens if you win the election

and they haven't been built yet? The schools that are open, if we win

in 2015, they will stay open subject to the same conditions as any other

school. We are not going to close schools that are already open. We

will make changes and bring them into line with other schools. We

would say you have got to employ qualified teachers in the future. We

would say you have got to be part of the local community of schools. I

want all schools to be good schools. Michael Gove 's approach is to focus

only on free schools and academies. The 180 more that might be announced

might not be built by the next election.

I am not going to be in the business of throwing away public money.

Equally, I have got to look at where these schools are being created. I

would make an appeal to Michael Gove and George Osborne. They have

announced 180 new schools. Put them in the areas that need them.

It is confusing. You are going to extend to all schools the freedoms

that academies and free schools have, but then take them away by

giving councils extra oversight. What on earth is going on?

We want to extend freedoms where freedoms extend standards. Teachers

and head teachers in academies can make decisions about how subjects

are taught. That makes sense. I want teachers to make these decisions,

not ministers. But academies have the freedom, if you can call it

that, to employ unqualified people. I did think that makes sense. All

schools should be required to have qualified teachers. It is making all

schools good schools by having high standards. Let's have curriculum

freedom but also teachers who are qualified.

You haven't even mentioned your big idea, which is the parent led

academies. This is the type of school you will bring in, where

people say, these are just a free schools under a different name.

The rhetoric was about parents, but most schools have not been set up by

parents. I'm saying, yes, if parents want to set up schools, they can set

up parent maintained schools. They are not free schools because they

cannot employ unqualified teachers. They will have decisions made at a

local level. Councils and communities will make the decision.

I was in Suffolk last week away the local Conservative MP didn't agree

with the creation of the free school when there is a good academy in the

village is going to lose out. How is any mum and dad supposed to

understand this policy? The policy is clear. It is about having good

schools in every community, and not being fixated, as this government

is, or one school over another. You can have a good maintained school or

a good academy. Why does the government think the only way to get

good news schools is through their programme? We have seen further

reports today, some of the free schools are not doing well on their

first inspections. The jury is out on how good the schools will be.

Some fasting -- fantastic people have set up schools. In Liverpool,

they have done something amazing, which I support. When the only show

in town is free schools, people are going to set them up. But there's no

guarantee they are going to be good schools.

You have mentioned that you don't want on qualified teaching. It has

been pointed out that David Miliband has been teaching in his local

school for two years. That is ridiculous. The rules in

that schools should apply to free schools as well. There's a world of

difference between MPs spending half a day in their local school and

people being employed full-time. I have done it myself. Teach first, a

fantastic organisation that I supported as a minister, had a week

in which politicians and others can go in and teach. I spent an hour

teaching in my constituency. That is not what I am talking about. I'm

talking about schools taking on full-time staff who are not

qualified. Schools have always been allowed to take on unqualified

people provided they work towards a qualification. I want academies and

free schools to be affected by that policy in the same way that

maintained schools are. GCSE reform is a big subject for

you. You have been critical of the Education Secretary here.

I think we are seeing a narrowing of the curriculum which is not right

for young people about also is not right for the future economy. The

CBI told us that yes, of course, we want high standard in academic

subjects, but we also want a broad curriculum for the jobs of tomorrow.

Michael Gove 's approach is backward looking.

What is wrong with his analysis that children need to lead -- learn

facts? I am in favour of rigour, but rigour

needs to be about skills as well as facts. Let's have high levels of

core knowledge but also young people who can communicate, speak and

listen, work as part of a team, who have critical analysis skills. Those

are the things that will be lost by the exclusive focus on facts, and

also by focusing on some subjects rather than others, what about the

forgotten 50%, the ones who don't have a chance to go to university?

Diane Abbott spoke up for them and backed Michael blow. -- Michael

Gove. She says, if you don't have parents to put in a word for you in

a difficult jobs market, you need the assurance of rigorous

qualification and core academic qualifications. Didn't she blow you

out of the water with that? Of course we need that. It is not a

choice. We need both. We have said, for example, that English and maths

should carry on until 18. We are unusual as a country in saying that

people can give up the home language and maths when they are 16. I want

rigour, but I want it in engineering. We need engineering

jobs in the future and people who are openly trained to do those jobs.

It is very backward looking. The suggestion is that you don't

expect much and test hard. When there is grade inflation we have to

route that out. Let's have high-quality exams but let's also

make sure we have a broad and rich curriculum. Thank you.

It's always been said that man's best friend is his dog. Well, James

Bowen would beg to differ. A few years ago, he was recovering from

drug addiction and working as a busker in London when he was

befriended by a cat called Bob who helped him turn his life around. Bob

refused to leave James alone, even travelling on the Tube and in buses

with him before James decided to keep him. A book James wrote about

Bob has been a bestseller for over a year, with sales of over 700,000

copies. It's been translated into 30 languages and the film rights are

being negotiated in Hollywood. James and Bob, welcome!

I'm not sure whether we have had a cat on the sofa before on this

programme. Say hello. Give me a high five. This is what has entranced

people who see you busking. He does lots of little tricks, that is the

favourite one we do on the telly because it is the easiest but he

does a few little tricks when we went busking which we are not doing

so much any more. We have got five books in the works in total. We have

won about to come out on Thursday the 4th of July. You were in a lot

of trouble and this cat basically walked into your life, is that

right? Yes, I was supported Housing and I was getting my life back

together. I was on a methadone programme because I was a heroin

addict. When you are on the streets you don't have a lot to live for and

drugs are great escape. Russell Brand would tell you that.

doesn't have a cat though. brought something calmer, he was

something about it together with us. He followed you and he went on the

bus with you, he sounds amazing. basically said I'm sticking around

and you are going to look after me and I'm going to look after you.

After I've nursed him back to health I had very little money because, you

know, on benefits you scrape by. Busking or selling the big issue

makes some extra cash and he decided to come along. The day he came along

with me, all of a sudden my money started increasing, people wanted to

take photographs with him, somebody made him a scarf which he wore. Our

publisher has said that he has had the most fun male of any author

ever. I have seen some of your stuff on YouTube and so on, and he behaves

a bit like a dog, this cat, don't you think? He is upset because he is

moving off now. No, he is a person. I love dogs, but they have masters,

cats have servants. So you are working for him? Absolutely, he is

my boss. If he didn't want to be there, he would hugger off. How much

of a cut of the book is he getting? He is definitely a spoilt Deaver,

believe me. You have sold 700,000 of your first book? It is 800,000 in

the UK alone. We have done a children's adaption, like with

Marley And Me, mine talked about drug addiction and we did it about

Bob, no ordinary cat, and that way parents and kids can both read it

and they are loving it. There is a movie coming, is there? I would say

so. Which actor are you thinking of for this one? I have been asked this

question a lot of times and a few ideas have gone through my head but

I cannot give you a genuine answer on anybody. All I know is that Bob

changed my life and if they make a movie about us, that will just be

the ultimate sort of... What are you doing? Do you want to treat? It

would just be the ultimate sort of story about turning our life for the

better. Take me back to what was going on in your life before you met

Bob. As you say, you were on the streets and a lot of people are

still there, and in the way you are an ambassador for them. I am so

pleased to be able to open people's eyes to the plights of animals,

homelessness, drug addiction, all of these things, which I have been,

yes, basically made an ambassador to and I'm happy to accept that

responsibility. We raised �9,000 for a charity, we have raised �10,000

for the Blue Cross on the website. It is all on Twitter or just Google

Street cat Bob, he is the most amazing little man and I am so

blessed to have him in my life. was reading the autocue as well

through the whole interview. When we were on the one show, he was sitting

next to Eddie izzard and he didn't care.

Four years ago, Lenny Henry proved that after decades as a successful

comedian he could excel at serious drama too. His Othello was hailed by

one reviewer as the best Shakespearean debut he'd ever seen.

Well, Lenny Henry's latest stage role is in a modern American classic

whose main character could have been dreamt up by the Bard. The play,

"Fences", sees Henry in fine form as a Lear-like father figure - flawed,

bitter, yet lovable. His performance has been getting the kind of reviews

that suggest something special has just arrived in London's West End.

You never want to listen to anybody, and then you go and do this to me?

You are just scared I am going to be better than you. Come here. You made

a mistake, I'm going to tell you what your mistake was. Use swung the

ball, you didn't hit it. You swung and you missed, that was strike one.

Don't you strike out. Good afternoon. Good morning, I should

say! I'm thrown by the last interview. That was an extraordinary

performance and the part is like King Lear. There is a lot of

dialogue, he has a lot of stories to tell and a lot of emotion to give

out. There is a real reciprocal energy between the actors and the

audience, they really get swept along. In the matinees we had a lot

of kids in on Thursday and their response to the story was

extraordinary because different sections of the audience followed

different characters so the kids were monitoring my son's story and

they responded compassionately to what was happening to that boy so I

am finding it to be an amazing experience. I am being hugged by

women, you're just like my husband, kids, you're just like my dad,

extraordinary. On the negative side, arrogant and selfish, but also

rather endearing and sweet. In the first half the ground is laid. Troy

comes across as funny, likes a drink on a Friday night coming he has his

best friend with him and they tell stories, and also he is a fearless

man. It is before civil rights but he is asked to become a driver and

he will be the first black driver in that company if it goes through so

he is obviously somebody who has a sense of I deserve more. However he

has his own problems and this is what the players about. He is a

deeply flawed protagonist who seems intent on bringing the world down

around him and doesn't know why really. You feel sorry for him no

matter how bad he has done and that is a hardline. Yes, we have a great

cast and when you are playing across people like this, you just get a

sense you are supported. In the rehearsal process it was wonderful.

Every beat was suffused by the story about family. The director is quite

Jamaican in the way she directs and she just tells stories about her

family, and we're encouraged to talk about our families and as a result I

spoke about my dad. I have rarely spoken about him in a rehearsal room

because it is usually just me on my own and it was interesting to talk

about him. My dad was very reluctant to give up feelings, never told me a

story, strange because now we read Harry Potter to our children but he

never told me a story, never said I love you, none of that stuff, but he

said things like you have to keep your feet on the ground. Stop the

noise, turn the TV over, I want to watch the cricket. These are the

four things my dad said to me. The character Troy is so verbose, so

emotionally intelligent but with some flaws and you get a sense of I

could have had a dad like this, but Troy has his problems so he is not

perfect. It is a human story and the author is very insightful on the

human condition. Also on race and racism, isn't he? Yes, this is a

story about a man who got out of jail and was fancied as a proper

baseball player but he was too old so Troy has it in his mind that he

was a victim of racism. They didn't allow him to play the major leagues

because he was black, but also it could have been because he didn't

turn the other cheek. He would have knocked a man out with one punch.

you regret the fact that David Harewood the British actor has to go

to the US and so on, do you see a pattern there? This is a small

country and we are percentage of this country and there is more work

in America. It would be wonderful if more work was produced in this

country so this plethora of multi ethnic talent we have in this

country could be more visible on television but it will take a while.

Do you feel that you're both are low in Shakespeare reinvented you? It

was a remarkable reinvention of your career. I/O a lot to Northern

broadsides and the director who took me on. I have never been through the

rehearsal process so I didn't know what it's like. Lets see a clip of

it. I/O, my fair warrior! It gives me great content to see you here

before me. My soul is joy, may the winds blow until their waking

death... So that was the turning point. Yes, it was.The Duchess

Theatre in London. Thank you for joining us.

It's been a busy week at the Treasury - fuelled by burgers and

diet Coke. First, the Chancellor set out the next round of cuts in

government spending, telling us how much more will be squeezed from each

department, in the year after the election. But the following day,

came details of a hundred billion pounds of infrastructure spending,

to the end of the decade. So - is it a case of pain today, jam tomorrow?

I'm joined by the Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny

Alexander - good morning. What we are trying to do is change the

priorities of this country. For many decades, governments had tried... We

are cutting down on spending in order to reinvest money for things

that need it in the long-term. We are investing in the rail network.

We are creating more affordable homes. We are releasing private

sector investment in our energy sector. These are going to transform

the economy. Were you aware that most of this had already been

announced? Some spending in this round has been announced. That is

quite true. What I have announced this week is plan is going until

2020, providing certainty that investors in the private sector say

they need in order to gear up for providing the infrastructure this

country needs. It is only the Labour Party who pretends there is a magic

money tree. We prioritise how we spend money. We choose to prioritise

our infrastructure. You announced five years of spending all at once.

Even the Victorians didn't do that. It is gold-plated spin! We are

putting away more money than our predecessors. On the roads, we

inherited big cuts to spending, we have topped it up, year on year, and

we are investing in the network that has been left to crumble for many

decades. �10 billion will go to upgrading our road network,

maintaining our network to the quality we need. Paul Johnson says

that despite the headlines, no increase in capital spending was

announced yesterday until 2017. We are setting out investment for

the long-term. New money is set the tide -- set-aside in 2016. We have

allocated money for the years behind -- beyond. We have not had a

long-term plan for our road and rail network, to get broadband to 99% of

the population, and setting aside the policies that investors have

been throwing out for -- crying out for. That is vital to ensure the

lights stay on in this country. Our message to investors is, we have set

out the certainty you need for the long-term. You now need to get on

and invest the money. Let us go with the idea that you

have unleashed this torrent of money for infrastructure. What took you so

long? You were elected in 2010. We set out in 2010, firstly, clear

pounds -- plans for the deficit. The deficit is coming down. Debt has

gone up. Debt goes up every year you have got a deficit. We have got the

deficit down by a third. We have plans to get it down further. We

have �11.5 billion of cuts. Big cuts, but big reforms. Why wait

three years? We haven't waited three years. Each year, we have added

further capital investment in roads, railways, school buildings and

school places. These are vitally important things for the future. We

have, at each stage, been able to squeeze more out of departmental

budgets than we had been before, in order to release the money for the

capital investment that the country needs. Are you blinding us with

science? Over the last three years, you spent less on capital investment

than Labour. That is incorrect. At every stage since the spending round

in 2010, we have added more capital spending than we have had previously

planned. We have had �20 billion in this Parliament. This year, for

example, additional investment in new places in schools, is of course

the school investment is needed. Last year, we set out plans for rail

investment. Far from resting on our laurels, we have been doing this.

Now is the right time to set out the longer and the public finances are

moving in the right direction, the deficit is down by a third...

Borrowing �300 million per day. You didn't tell us about that. That is

why Labour 's approach, to just borrow money, is wrong. The

approach... Talking of incoherence, you are

talking about a big capital spending splurge.

We are setting out our priorities. We are squeezing more out of current

spending in order to release funds to invest in roads and railways and

broadband and housing and energy. We are setting aside �800 million under

Vince Cable for the green investment bank, precisely to unlock

investments that the country needs. In 2011, the Chancellor said, we

have asked the public for what is needed and we don't need to ask for

more. As we have said repeatedly, the economic forecast has not been

as it was when we started. The problems in the Eurozone have held

our country back. The banking crisis has been deeper than we thought. It

is a long, hard road we are on. But we have to stick to that road and we

also have to show how we can invest, as we are doing so, in the

infrastructure of this country. Let me move to another area of

spending. The NHS, education and overseas aid are all ring fence.

That is a lot of money you are paying out and not cutting. It is

not logical, is it? You run up a debt to the next generation has to

pay. In each of those cases, it is

logical. School rolls are rising. Schools need the money to continue

to give the proper education to our children. That is the future of the

economy. We are making savings elsewhere to make sure they don't

have to pay it off. In the health service, we set out what is one of

the biggest reforms to the public services for many years, which is

bringing together health and social care. Too many elderly people fall

down between the cracks in the system. By setting aside money that

is jointly commissioned, we can deal with those problems, we can bring

our health and social care systems together, and it is one of many

areas that by reforming the public services we can improve services and

save money. You have left out overseas aid,

which drives people up the wall. Billions is going to be spent. We

are logging hospitals in other countries that we can't afford

ourselves. -- we are building. No matter how difficult

circumstances in this country, people in the world are worse off. I

am proud that this government, alone among developed countries, is

meeting its 0.7% commitment. It is an investment to protect ourselves,

too. Some of these places are with security risks. They are new markets

for British goods. Meeting our aid commitments is the right moral thing

today but it is in our national interest. A Tory MP says we are the

mugs of the world. As with many things, I disagree with him on that.

Everybody is excited about the public members Bill, which is going

to commit the government to a vote on the EU.

I disagree with the bill. I voted for legislation that this government

brought forward, which, for the first time, guarantees that a

referendum takes place whenever there is a server change in the

European treaties. -- further change. This bill guarantees a

referendum in future. That is what we promised. What is wrong is the

idea that we should waste our influence in Europe going after

specific repatriations rather than using our influence to build up the

European economy to improve job creation and growth prospects across

Europe. That is what is knocking our economy.

If you look at the rise of UKIP, you can see that your argument is

starting to fall on deaf ears. People are thinking, let's have a

proper vote. Most people in this country will

recognise that our member ship of the EU, jobs, trade, growth,

security that it provides, is vitally important to this country,

not just now but form a decades to come. I'm confident that UKIP will

come and go. But what is important is that Britain stays a member of

the EU. And the Lib Dems? What will you do

as a party on Friday? We set out our position on this

repeatedly in Parliament. This is a Parliamentary stunned. I will be in

my constituency working hard for the people of the Highlands. I am sure

that is the right choice, given what is going on in Parliament on Friday.

Trident. We gather it is now getting close to finally a deal on how the

renewal will work. Are you and the Conservatives at odds over this as

well? It is not quite a deal on how the

renewal would work. We have been conducting a review of alternatives

to Trident. That was completed two weeks ago and submitted to the Prime

Minister and Deputy Prime Minister. The question it is answering is, is

renewal of Trident in the previous way the only way to protect this

country in future? While the review doesn't come to any conclusions,

when we publish the results, people will see there are choices available

to this country, there are alternatives, whether it can, as

President Obama said, move on from the Cold War posture is of the past.

Thank you very much. Now, over two Naga Munchetty for the headlines.

The Chief Secretary to the Treasury has defended the ring fencing of

government spending on the health service and schools. He said it is

important to safeguard the future of the country. He also said he was

proud that the Coalition is meeting its commitment to increased spending

on overseas aid. He said his infrastructure spending plan

unveiled last week reflected a switch in priorities to long-term

projects. David Cameron is in Pakistan for talks with the new

elected prime minister, now Sherry. He focused on how Britain and

Pakistan could secure a peaceful future for Afghanistan. He went on

to say that Britain would stand so that macro shoulder to shoulder with

Pakistan on terrorism. -- would stand shoulder to shoulder with

Pakistan on terrorism. I profoundly believe that a

prosperous, peaceful, democratic Afghanistan is in Pakistan 's

interests, and I know that you and President Karzai will work together

towards those ends. That is all from me for now. The

next news on BBC One is at midday. First, a look at what is coming up

after this programme. Is Nelson Mandela -- as Nelson

Mandela lies ill, we argue about his latest legacy, for Guinness. Do

families need Fathers? That is nearly all we have time for.

Thanks to all of our guests. Sophie will be here next week at nine.

Before we go, as it is visit festival season, we leave you with

one of the highlights of last night 's performance by the Rolling

Stones. With an average age of 70, their debut at Glastonbury was truly