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President Obama's message to Britain - | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
is it friendly, wise advice, or an offensive, bullying threat? | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
Either way, can we simply, perhaps, ignore the US president? | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
In her first major interview since siding with David Cameron | :00:19. | :00:41. | |
and Remain, I'm joined this morning by the Home Secretary | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
Theresa May - how enthusiastic is she about another 3 million | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
Also, with England's local elections now not far away I'm joined | :00:48. | :00:56. | |
by the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron. | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
President Obama continues to dominate the papers today, | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
and here to review them are the journalist, Toby Young, | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
who definitely won't be heeding the President's advice | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
when it comes to the EU referendum - and Gillian Tett, US managing editor | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
And still on the theme of politics, we will hear from one of the true | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
legends of modern music, for many people the greatest | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
songwriter music, # If you don't have a wristband, my | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
man, you don't get through the door! Now at this point, I usually | :01:32. | :01:44. | |
hand over to the news. But this morning, we're | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
going to focus on one story. President Obama last week told | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
the UK it would have to 'go to the back of the queue' in any | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
future trade negotiations with the US, if we vote | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
to leave the EU. Now he's said it would take | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
at least five to ten years, President Obama made those remarks | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
in an interview with Huw Edwards. Mr President, thank you very | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
much for talking to us. I think it is fair to say | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
that your visit, even more than usual, has | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
created quite a stir! People are saying, OK, | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
we have a special relationship, | :02:13. | :02:13. | |
and yet that special relationship could involve going to | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
the back of the queue! Well, actually, the special | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
relationship is not There are emotional and cultural | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
and commercial and strategic bonds between our two countries that are | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
unmatched by any other two countries As a practical matter, | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
what we are doing with respect to trade is negotiating | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
with big blocks of countries. Because negotiating trade deals | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
are a heavy lift, they are challenging | :02:51. | :02:51. | |
and they are difficult. It is the phrase, the back | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
of the queue, which has, I suppose offended some | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
people and alarmed others or scared them, | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
was As I said, it was simply | :02:59. | :02:59. | |
a response to the argument I have heard from others, | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
who are proposing to leave the EU, that somehow America | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
would be able to do things more quickly | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
with the UK than if they were | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
in the European Union. I was simply indicating | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
that would not be the case in this narrow issue of trade. | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
The UK would not be able to negotiate something | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
with the United States faster than the EU. | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
We wouldn't abandon our efforts to negotiate a trade deal | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
with our largest trading partner, the European market. | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
But rather, it could be five years from now, ten | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
years from now, before we are able to actually get something done. | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
So maybe not right at the back of the | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
queue, maybe towards the back of the queue, is that right? | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
I think the broader point is that if you are | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
interested in trade, we are on the cusp of getting | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
a trade deal done with the European Union. | :04:04. | :04:16. | |
If I am a business person, or a worker in | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
Britain, and I am looking at the fact that I already have access, | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
seamlessly, with a massive market, one of the wealthiest markets | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
in the world that accounts for 44% of my exports, | :04:30. | :04:39. | |
then the idea that I'm going to be in a better | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
position to export and trade by | :04:43. | :04:43. | |
being outside of that market, and not being | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
in the room setting the | :04:46. | :04:46. | |
rules and standards by which trade takes place, I think is erroneous. | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
You have been very clear, the special relationship, you've just | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
Trade is important, it it much more than that. | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
We have been focusing on lots of things | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
sharing given the very real threat from terrorist groups around the | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
Is it possible to say today that if there were an exit from the | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
EU, those elements of the special relationship would not be affected? | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
It wouldn't be affected in the sense that our intelligence teams work | :05:15. | :05:35. | |
extremely closely together and our militaries work | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
Our ability to do things together will not be changed. | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
What we do believe is that the United Kingdom | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
will have less influence in Europe, and as a consequence, less influence | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
In a sense, we rely heavily on the UK as a partner | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
There will be some people watching who put | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
a much higher price on the | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
bond with the US than the bond with the EU. | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
They will say, the President is fairly clear, the special | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
relationship is not going to be damaged | :06:03. | :06:03. | |
by any decision on coming in | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
or out of the EU, and if that is the case, | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
we shouldn't be concerned about coming out. | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
That is how they will probably relay the argument, what | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
I guess if the countries that are closest to | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
you, that care about you the most, the countries with whom you | :06:17. | :06:26. | |
co-operate most frequently, those who you have a special relationship | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
with, suggesting to you that you might be better off staying in this | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
with Europe, it is worth paying attention. | :06:35. | :06:35. | |
This sharp focus again on some of the dangerous flash points | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
around the world, there are plenty of voices in Europe who say that | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
part of the reason that Europe has been dealing with such a big | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
migration crisis is the lack of assertive | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
response, if you like, or the | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
lack of assertive engagement, not least from the US. | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
You can't say, we don't want to do anything in Syria, | :06:54. | :07:05. | |
our parliaments won't ratify any actions | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
Syria but we do want the | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
United States to do something about it! | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
One of the challenges of my presidency | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
I think, isto encourage everybody to recognise that whether we like it | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
or not, we are in an interconnected world. | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
This relates to Brexit, to Nato, to the migration crisis, | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
counterterrorism efforts, public health issues like Ebola, | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
it's a problem in the US because | :07:39. | :07:39. | |
people have debates about immigration from places like Mexico. | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
It would be tempting for many people to believe | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
that we can pull up the | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
drawbridge, that we can carve a moat around | :07:53. | :07:53. | |
ourselves and not have to | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
You've been to Windsor, driven around by the Duke of Edinburgh, | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
And clearly enjoying it, the First Lady at your side. | :08:04. | :08:20. | |
Give us a sense of what the First Lady has | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
I cannot separate anything that I have | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
achieved from the partnership that I have had with | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
First and foremost, she is the best mother I know. | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
My daughters are amazing because of her parenting. | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
So I can take very little credit beyond | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
executing some of the plans that she has! | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
She's also proven to be an | :08:42. | :08:42. | |
extraordinary public figure in her own right. | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
In a very difficult job, because the First Lady doesn't have | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
a clearly defined role, so what she has been able to do | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
in changing first the conversation in the United | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
States and then globally to some degree around children's health | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
issues and child obesity, and now what she is doing with the emphasis | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
on girls' education, and making sure that our | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
policies are aligned with | :09:14. | :09:14. | |
the basic wisdom that countries that do not educate their girls and treat | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
I could not be prouder of her, and I think it | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
is fair to say that anything good that I have done, she gets shared | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
Mr President, a great honour to talk to you. | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
And enjoy the | :09:34. | :09:34. | |
President Obama telling us we ought to pay attention to them! Will be? | :09:35. | :09:49. | |
The papers give some indication. Arafat acid story in the Sunday | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
Telegraph, saying, look who's in the driving seat! Observer moves on to | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
the possible next president, Hillary Clinton, agrees with President | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
Obama, the Sunday Times is weighted by the rich list today although they | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
have a picture of the president, and the Labour Party living in stop | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
doctors strike. Something we could well talk about talk about later on. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
The headline in the Mail on Sunday, Boris Johnson raging at President | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
Obama. The language of Boris Johnson, the colourful, is not quite | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
as colourful as it appears in that headline. | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
And with me to review the papers are Toby Young and Gillian Tett. | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Toby, in the Mail on Sunday you are making the case against what | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
President Obama has said. I had not had an interview before I wrote the | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
piece. From the Leave proud of it was encouraging to the president say | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
that our security relationship with the United States would not be | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
affected in the slightest if we left the EU. It was something that was | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
said by Sir Richard Dearlove, and he was ridiculed by the Remain camp | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
last month. Disappointing to hear him repeat what I think of as the | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
scaremongering trade argument. I think is exaggerating those | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
difficulties. It has taken more than 40 years the United States to | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
conclude a trade agreement with the European Union and it still has not | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
done so. In the meantime it has concluded agreements with countries | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
like Jordan, El Salvador, the nation, they only have one set of | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
negotiators who would be entirely tied up with TTIP before they could | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
get to Britain, I think that is wrong. The other point I make in my | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
piece is that we currently have a great deal of trade, over ?35 | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
billion worth of trade going in both directions between us and the US. So | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
I'm not sure it would be that catastrophic even if it did take | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
five to ten years to conclude in the deal. Your piece appears on the same | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
page as the picture of the president playing golf, do you get the sense | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
that this is a mess of establishments to job against people | :12:08. | :12:17. | |
like you? -- a massive establishment stitch up? It does look like that | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
and I am not sure how that will play with the Don't Nos. It is | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
reminiscent of the pictures of Tony Blair at camp David with George W | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
Bush, something that did not do Mr Blair any favours. One point made | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
today is that only 15% of voters say they will take the views of the | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
president into account and the majority of them are for the Remain | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
camp already. I'm not sure how much difference that will make. Gillian, | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
you will take this forward. Muggy I would like to comment, when the | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
president says the trade deals could take between five and ten years, he | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
is not being punitive, the reality is that Congress takes a long time | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
to do anything. Trade deals take a long time. And people are picking up | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
on this, the Americans are picking up on this, it's the sheer | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
uncertainty, you got big banks and big companies saying they are | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
building up operations in places like Dublin and Amsterdam to prepare | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
for that uncertainty. So that is the issue. That very much feeds into | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
what Hillary Clinton says which is that the Americans want a strong | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
British voice in the EU. That is a widespread view and the Democrat | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
side although Ted Cruz and Donald Trump take a different feel so in a | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
strange way American politics and British politics are becoming | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
strangely untangled. Yes and no. If you talk to other parts of the | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
Republican Party now they believe Britain would be mad to leave | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
because they don't understand why anyone would give up the influence | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
issue. Ted Cruz and Donald Trump have not spent much time talking | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
about Brexit. They have plenty of other things on their radar now. It | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
is a fair bet that they would be so enthusiastic but then Trump is | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
speaking enthusiastically about Putin now. Is it not a bit unfair to | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
say that only uncertainty would be with the Leave said if we voted to | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
leave because they would also be uncertainty of we voted to stay, the | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
TTIP hasn't been concluded yet and could take five or ten years, and | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
with the looming crisis there is uncertainty on both sides. Di issue | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
isn't so much about widgets and goods, its trade and services. That | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
is where Britain is most at risk. The question is about financial | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
services and what that would mean for the City of London. If you had a | :14:49. | :14:58. | |
bunch of us in a country which is in the EU you can still take advantage | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
of whatever trading arrangements are in place even if your headquarters | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
are in London. Those big banks can mostly not live with that | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
uncertainty. They are terrified of being caught in this political | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
fight, they are looking at building up their operations in Dublin, | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt. Some people might say, good riddance to | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
needs those banks anyway. I think you have the story about | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
Boris Johnson getting flack for his comments. Yes, he has. I don't think | :15:32. | :15:41. | |
it is fair to accuse Boris of being racist by invoking Obama's part | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
Kenyan ancestry. After all, Obama wrote a book which was a memoir, | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
about a third of it is devoted to a trip he makes to Kenya which he | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
retraces the steps of his father and grandfather and talks about his | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
grandfather's involvement in the memorabilia on. He said his part | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Kenyan heritage has helped shape his political views. And that was a very | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
brutal episode in Kenyan history, and you can see why Kenyans might be | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
sceptical about imperial enthusiasm as a result. It was a blunder of | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
Boris to bring this up because it enabled the Remain campaign to | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
retaliate by accusing him and playing the race card and not focus | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
on the issue of Obama's hypocrisy. He said in this international age | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
when we depend on more cooperation, it is silly to think you can create | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
a moat around your country. Why is he recommending we shouldn't take | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
back control of our borders? Is this essentially you're a bit of a | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
racist, what Philip Hammond is saying in the Telegraph? That seems | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
to be decoded implication. One of the aspects of... I have got | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
statistics. The difficulty of David Cameron invoking Obama, now Clinton, | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
bringing in the HM Treasury analysis earlier in the week is that it seems | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
he's not playing on a level playing field and create acrimony between | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
the two side. If the Remain campaign win narrowly, a lot of people will | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
say it is not fair, there will be ranker. Percentages and so forth, it | :17:24. | :17:32. | |
is rare you get an economist with a big billing in the Sun. I always | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
thought the Sun was about soccer and sex but it also has economics facts. | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
We have a Google group saying living costs will fall by ?40 a week | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
because things like cars and fridges and washing machines will become | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
cheaper if there was Brexit. I find it fascinating the weight economics | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
is being bandied around. Most people are probably now confused about the | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
numbers but the Sun has discovered economics, great. Toby, you have a | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
story about the junior doctors I think in the Sunday Times, and there | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
are some idea that there is a compromise deal to be negotiated. | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
The story is that Heidi Alexander, the Labour shadow health spokesman, | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
has brokered a deal which could bring about peace between the junior | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
doctors and Jeremy Hunt. What is odd about this is that earlier in the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
week John McDonnell, the Labour Shadow Chancellor, was saying | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
actually he encourages people to come out onto the streets to | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
protest, and he hopes we can bring down the Government before 2020 | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
through this kind of action. Very off piste on Heidi's part. The idea | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
is they would go ahead with the contracts but on a piecemeal test | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
pilot basis. Yes, they would implement the new contract in some | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
places, see how it works, before rolling it out nationally. Not a | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
stupid idea. You also have a piece by Sarah Baxter in the Sunday Times | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
comments section. Yes, Sarah isn't wholly sympathetic to the cause of | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
the junior doctors and she points out that once they complete their | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
training they have lifelong job security and a GP's average salary | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
is about ?100,000 with 10% of them earning more than the Prime | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
Minister. We are going to go on to Donald Trump. The other big story. | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
An extraordinary story, makes Boris Johnson look positively | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
mealy-mouthed. This is a terrific piece looking at Donald Trump the | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
showman, we almost here is a showman. A key issue about him is | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
that as the ultimate showman, is he now going to change his spots and | :19:58. | :20:06. | |
turn into Trump the moderate? He has hired somebody who is the ultimate | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
spin doctor, and I suspect we will see Trump the rational. We are going | :20:12. | :20:21. | |
to get grown-up Trump. He has no ideology, you will do whatever it | :20:22. | :20:30. | |
takes to win. Moving on again. Toby, you've got an interesting piece | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
about Sadiq Khan, the London candidate for mayor. Yes, it is | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
interesting because it repeats many of the things that Zac has been | :20:39. | :20:48. | |
saying about Sadiq, raising links with Islamic extremists, but Alan | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
Sugar was enabled by Gordon Brown, turned into an enterprise | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
ambassador, at one point talked about as a potential mayoral | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
candidate so it is harder I think for Sadiq Khan's team to deflect | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
these questions by playing the race card and claiming it is just | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
partisan dirty politics. This is a stalwart of the Labour Party saying | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
that he is concerned about Sadiq Khan's links with these various | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
folks. Moving on again, and alcohol story. I find this fascinating | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
because as someone who lives in New York, when I come back to London, | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
I'm always struck by how much people drink, but Louis Theroux has done a | :21:39. | :21:46. | |
fantastic piece pointing out that there is this epidemic in drinking | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
in the UK. Nice middle-class people hoofing it back. Little -- people | :21:52. | :22:06. | |
like me, drinking a lot! Very quickly, there is a lot of | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
Shakespeare in the papers, including the extraordinary story of Prince | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
Charles playing Hamlet on the TV, and that wonderful sequence of | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
screens down the Thames, all of Shakespeare's plays reduced to ten | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
minutes, crowds of people yesterday watching them. I was hoping Prince | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
Charles would say the line, there is something rotten in the state of | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
Denmark, but actually Obama's comments reminded me of a quote in | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
King Lear, where two of the characters are trying to persuade | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
him to give up delusions of grandeur. At one point he says, but | :22:47. | :22:55. | |
sir, being weak seems so. That seems to be Obama's argument. Give up | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
these delusions. This is such a classy paper review, we have come to | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
the end of it but thank you both for that. | :23:05. | :23:05. | |
Now to the weather, and it's been as dithery | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
and confused as many European referendum voters, just | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
In the weather studio is Matt Taylor. | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
More of the same through this coming week. Out today more cloud than we | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
saw yesterday but equally many will be dry with sunshine coming through | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
now and again. Showers down eastern coastal counties, and some in the | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
Midlands moving toward the south later on. Some will have a wet spell | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
in the afternoon, but a lot of dry weather too. The best of the warmth | :23:39. | :23:48. | |
on the south-west coast, 13 Celsius. Tonight eastern areas where the | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
windfalls that bit lighter, skies are clear. This is where numerically | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
the temperatures will drop the furthest thanks to cloud, occasional | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
rain and a strengthening wind. But they even out first thing in the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
morning because the wind will make it cold. Across England and Wales | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
you will be hard pressed to avoid the showers, lots of them around. | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
The wind is stronger as well, strongest across the north-east of | :24:15. | :24:22. | |
Scotland bringing in sleet and snow. As for the week ahead, Andrew, the | :24:23. | :24:30. | |
weather stays that little bit dithery, stays chilly. | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
Back to you. Very poor behaviour by the weather, you will have noticed. | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
Their time in Government ended unhappily for the Lib Dems, | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
with only eight of their MPs left standing after the general election. | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
During the coalition years, their base in local government | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
Will the party renowned for its pavement politics start | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
winning back council seats in next month's local elections in England? | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, joins me now. | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
The great thing to be a party leader but this party leader in these | :24:56. | :25:06. | |
circumstances not so much. I don't whether it is a hospital pass or a | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
poisoned chalice, but it has been pretty rough for you, hasn't it? | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
That is a tremendous euphemism for this time in the morning. It is | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
joyful, the result we have Moss May was of course devastating but I | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
cannot change that. What I can effect is how we go forward. Since | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
last May we have had a remarkable upsurge in the membership, a 50% | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
increase, and people like you and I keep an eye on these things. | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
Staggeringly, against everybody's expectations, the party has gained | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
more seats and votes than anybody else. There's a real sense of us | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
coming back. It is not a 12 month job, we have a big job ahead of us | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
but the state of politics requires the Liberal Democrats to recover so | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
we better hard. Your former party leader did what he thought was the | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
right thing for the country, going into coalition with the | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
Conservatives and doing his best. As a result, they stabbed your party in | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
the back, and nearly finished you off. Will you ever go into any kind | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
of relationship with the Conservative Party again? I didn't | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
join the Liberal Democrats is a smart career move, but neither did I | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
do copout and avoid power. If you want to change the world you have | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
got to get involved with power. He wouldn't go back for more with these | :26:32. | :26:39. | |
people, would you? I think collectively as a country we have | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
all learned over the last 12 months. We have seen the attack on schools, | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
on junior doctors, the dismantling of the green energy programme the | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
Liberal Democrats brought in and it's a reminder to everybody of what | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
the Liberal Democrats were doing. Some people look at your party | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
conference last time and see your opposition to fracking, and they say | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
is this the Liberal Democrats going back to the open toed sandals of the | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
1970s? These issues are important but may seem marginal compared to | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
the problems facing the country. Our fundamental approach is how we | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
rebuild from the grass roots up. We have these elections on May the 5th | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
and our job is to build back up from the grass roots, to give people the | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
opportunity to vote for somebody with a credible plan for their area | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
but it also means tackling the big issues. We have got to confess that | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
one of the reasons why a pretty dreadful Conservative government is | :27:39. | :27:40. | |
getting away with things at the moment... | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
Your words, not mine. But they have the most shambolic opposition in | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
living memory. I have nothing against Jeremy Corbyn, but Labour | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
are the worst opposition in history. We have got to provide people with a | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
real alternative. Give me an example of a policy where you think you can | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
defeat the Government. There is a vote tomorrow, I will give you a | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
hint. You didn't need to give me a hint, my focus is on trying to | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
defeat the Government tomorrow on the proposal. This is about Britain | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
taking more child refugees who are already inside the EU. Unaccompanied | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
minors within Europe, refugees. We reckon there are about 30,000 in | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
Europe. Devastatingly we also reckon 10,000 of them have gone missing and | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
they will be in the hands of traffickers, sexually exploited. | :28:37. | :28:44. | |
What Save The Children are proposing is that Britain takes our fair | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
share, 3000 of them unaccompanied children. My challenge to Theresa | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
May, who you will be speaking to in a few minutes, is that on Monday you | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
have the opportunity to help those children and prevent that | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
trafficking from taking place. You have some Conservative MPs on your | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
side. Others will say this will just encourage people in Syria and | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
elsewhere to send their children into the EU in the sure knowledge | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
they will eventually be helped. We know there are something like 5 | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
million refugees fleeing from the region and a faction, maybe a | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
quarter, are in Europe. The idea Europe is the only place people are | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
heading is not true. I have been to the camps, I've seen families | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
devastated, people who have fled war and persecution, and they took an | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
enormous risky decision to cross the water to come to Europe because what | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
they left behind was risky. This is tomorrow's vote, can you win it? Of | :29:48. | :29:54. | |
course we can. My question to every Conservative MP is if you were in | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
the situation of these Syrian refugees, if your children were like | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
these unaccompanied children in Europe now, would you want other | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
countries to do this for you? You have these local elections coming | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
up, what does recovery look like for the Liberal Democrats? Good | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
question, every election starts as a level playing field and I would love | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
us to be starting 50 seats higher than we are but we are not. Our way | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
back to serious central part in British politics is to win in these | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
elections coming up now. The most elected councillors this time | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
round... I want to make progress on the ground and earn people's votes | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
because most people expect politicians to let them down. I want | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
to challenge politicians to prove to the electorate there was a | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
difference to the Liberal Democrats. We can bring decency serve people | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
and do it better than ever before. Mostly I have to talk to you down | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
the line, it has been lovely to have you in the studio. Thank you very | :31:02. | :31:02. | |
much indeed. For more than half a century, | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
Paul Simon's music provided a soundtrack for modern America | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
that the rest of If he'd stopped writing | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
in the '70s, his place as a legend would | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
still have been assured. But he's gone on to produce | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
ever more inventive, His latest, "Stranger To Stranger" | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
is Simon at his best - When we met, we started | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
by talking about the early days living in London, | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
where he wrote some # And walked off to look for | :31:29. | :31:29. | |
America...#. Can I ask you about London | :31:30. | :31:48. | |
when you first came here, part of the folk scene - how | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
different is the city these days? Well, of course it's | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
enormously different I mean, one of their | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
early questions was, "Have you heard of this band, | :32:01. | :32:10. | |
the Beatles?" And they showed me | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
a picture and it was like, All the cars seemed so small | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
that I thought, this is perfect, you can walk across | :32:16. | :32:35. | |
the street and And as far as the folk | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
scene went, big, big musical effect on popular | :32:38. | :32:50. | |
music thinking. You've been a commentator | :32:51. | :32:52. | |
on American life and American society | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
for a very long time. some songs which seem to be quite | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
critical of divisions in American # I stepped outside the backstage | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
door to breathe some nicotine. # Then I heard a click, | :33:06. | :33:22. | |
the stage door lock # I'm gonna have to walk around the | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
block As I began to write | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
the song, I started out as if I were writing an anecdote about | :33:32. | :33:43. | |
a musician who steps backstage, steps outside into the alley | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
to have a cigarette, the door locks, and now he's trying to get back | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
in and it's The only way he can | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
get back in, he's got to walk around the block | :33:53. | :34:01. | |
and walk into the front, who is standing there checking | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
everything, and the guy says, # Kids that can't afford the cool | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
brand # Whose anger is a shorthand | :34:08. | :34:20. | |
# For you'll never get a wristband # And if you don't have a wristband, | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
my man, So then wristband | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
becomes a metaphor for people who are permanently | :34:28. | :34:40. | |
ineligible to enter into, you know, pleasure or success, whatever | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
you want to call the club... I was going to ask you about | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
another really wonderful song on the album, the opening song, | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
Werewolf, which is a scary song. I wondered if it was | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
an angrier, sourer coda to American Tune for the new | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
century. There is a kind of sorrow | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
in American Tune and there is a kind of half humour in | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
The Werewolf, you know. You use a lot of humour when it | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
comes to politics, another great It is the funniest political | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
song I know, it is absolutely brilliant, very, | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
very funny. Ten years on from 9/11, | :35:23. | :35:23. | |
you sang Sound Of Silence Somebody had wanted you to sing | :35:24. | :35:31. | |
Bridge Over Troubled Water but Just tell us why that was that what | :35:32. | :35:43. | |
you chose? Some instinct said, this song | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
is more about the mood of what I Bridge Over Troubled Water | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
has been used often as a song of comfort | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
in times of national tragedies but there | :36:01. | :36:12. | |
was something about The Sound Of Silence | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
that has changed over the years. # People talking without speaking | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
# People hearing without listening. # People writing songs | :36:24. | :36:31. | |
that voices never share # No one dares | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
# Disturb the sound of silence...# Something has changed and I sing it | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
very differently from the | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
way it was recorded. I sing it in a much slower way, | :36:46. | :36:53. | |
and I've changed the melody a So that's really why | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
I chose that song. Some people who have been watching | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
this interview will now be | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
feeling quite frustrated, fantastic, when will | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
I get the chance to hear When am I going to be | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
able to buy tickets and stand and listen | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
to Well, I hope that | :37:12. | :37:12. | |
people think that way. Unfortunately, I won't be playing | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
here until the autumn. Yes, I will come back, | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
I will be here, Inshallah, big treat, thank you very much for | :37:20. | :37:26. | |
talking to us. We've heard a lot recently | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
about the impact of staying in or leaving the EU | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
on jobs and trade. Issues like immigration and security | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
are at the heart of the debate too, which makes the Home Secretary, | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
Theresa May, She is on the Remain side, | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
and she's with me now. Good morning, Andrew. If we stay in | :37:48. | :38:03. | |
the EU, will immigration go up or down? Nine no one who has heard me | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
in the last few years will have any doubt that I think that we need to | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
control immigration. It is high and it is hard, whether inside or | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
outside the EU, it is hard dealing with migration from inside the EU | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
outside. If we are still inside immigration will continue to rise | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
sharply, won't it? The thing about immigration is that it is affected | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
by many different features. That is why the gum and can never say, we | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
will change when rule and the result will be what we want. We have | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
constantly to work on it which is what we are doing. You cannot change | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
one feature and hope that will have an impact. Free movement does make | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
it harder to control immigration but doesn't make it impossible. We will | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
come to that. Your own government figures suggest 2 million more | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
people in this country as migrants from the EU by 2030. That's a vast | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
number of people which will very a lot of potential voters one way or | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
the other. I understand why people are concerned about it. Is at a | :39:08. | :39:17. | |
reasonable figure? It was an independent figure. I understand why | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
people are concerned about immigration because it has an effect | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
on public services, and jobs and that is what it is important for us | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
to control immigration. But as I say, that is hard. We must keep | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
working at it and that is what we are doing. If you look at membership | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
of the European Union if we were to be outside the European Union, and | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
have some of the arrangements... Setting our border controls? If you | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
let me finish, if we want to be outside the European Union and still | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
want access to the single market, where that is done for other | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
countries they have to accept the free movement rules about any say | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
over those rules. That is a different point. Am not sure it is. | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
3 million more people coming into this country is something that | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
worries people, something you have set out as secretary, you have | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
dropped about the dangers of public services creaking and low-paid | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
people being underpaid or losing their jobs as a result of this and | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
yet under you watch it has carried on and there's no reason to think it | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
will stop in future. If we vote to stay in will vote for hundreds of | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
thousands more migrants coming in the year after year, that's the | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
reality. Look at the facts, the last six years, immigration did begin to | :40:39. | :40:40. | |
fall for a number of years, now it has gone back up, not just from | :40:41. | :40:47. | |
inside the EU but from outside as well. That's why I is a controlling | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
immigration is hard. Not easy because it is affected by a variety | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
of factors. So while it is the government bringing in another | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
immigration act? Because there are things we need now to do to bring | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
greater control into the immigration system. I recognise why people are | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
worried about it. Outside the EU and having access to the single market, | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
countries that have that arrangement at the moment must accept free | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
movement. If you are inside the EU you can change things. People from | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
the At campaign say they would not go into that arrangement anyway so | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
they would not be free movement. We've had hundreds of thousands of | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
people coming here year after year and all your watch, is what you are | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
saying is, stick with us, failed to stay in the EU and the immigration | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
crisis will continue like before. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
stick with us, because we are the government accepted the need to be | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
something about immigration. Other people who have changed the rules, | :41:52. | :42:04. | |
dealt with abuse in the student visa system, there is no to-do, I think | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
that you and I have had this conversation before, Andrew. If you | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
are inside the European Union, you have the chance to change the rules. | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
That is what we have done in the deal that David Cameron and | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
negotiated. Crucially as part of that deal with God in agreement to | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
reduce the factor of our wealth and benefits -- got an agreement... The | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
national living wage has gone up to ?9 which statistics suggest would be | :42:27. | :42:37. | |
a massive pull factor. Can come back to the national living wage? And | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
first finish my point about the changes we have got over the rules | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
on free movement? Crucially, I think this is a landmark decision, we have | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
got agreement that we can overturn the European union, judgments of the | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
European Court of Justice that make it easier for people to abuse free | :42:55. | :43:02. | |
movement. The Shard marriage issue? I think it's important to -- The | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
Shard marriage. I think it's important to say that we can | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
overturn those decisions. Benchmark on that point will we now see a lot | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
of challenges and the British government against the European | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
Court of Justice and some chance of winning them? I'm saying we've got | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
an important decision in the European Union which is about a | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
willingness to say that those European Court of Justice decisions | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
that were taken in these cases, I won't go into the details and the | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
names, those cases meant that there was an increase in the abuse of free | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
movement rules. I think, for the first time sitting around that | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
European table, we've negotiated a deal that says we will overturn | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
those judgments through the use of the new directive. It's a landmark | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
decision, very important. It's had no effect on the numbers of people | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
coming in which remains enormous. Michael Gove said, the latest | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
announcement from the Treasury is an official admission that if we stay | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
in the EU immigration will continue to increase by hundreds of | :44:08. | :44:19. | |
thousands, year on year, more than 250,000 people came to Britain from | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
Europe last year. As long as we are in the EU we cannot control our | :44:23. | :44:24. | |
borders. All true, isn't it? Control of borders and immigration policy | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
are different things. Instead the European Union are not part of the | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
shin chin area. It's a broader freezer that people have -- Shenzen. | :44:31. | :44:39. | |
We have control of our borders. Wouldn't have control of our | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
borders! People living inside EU and live your when they want and they do | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
so in huge numbers every year. Does not control borders. You are | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
confusing immigration policy with control of borders, Andrew. Control | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
of borders means we can stop people entering the UK, which we can. Yet | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
crucially we can only do that if we've got the information that we | :45:06. | :45:06. | |
need... We cannot stop citizens from other | :45:07. | :45:19. | |
countries coming to the UK. We can, it is important we have checks at | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
our borders, but what matters to be able to stop people who we don't | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
want to see coming into the UK, criminals... You can stop a few | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
criminals on the edges but you cannot stop the vast majority coming | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
in and that is not control of our borders. This is very important | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
because control of our borders, when you say we don't have control it | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
suggests everybody can just walk into the UK. That's not the case, we | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
check people at our borders but what matters at the border is that you | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
have information about people that enables you to make that decision | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
about whether somebody should enter the UK or not. We are more likely to | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
have that information if we are inside the European Union, and have | :46:03. | :46:12. | |
access to the various tools. Call-back to the basic point, the | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
vast majority of people come in as of right and do as of right and you | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
are saying there are some people who are criminals, and because of our | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
relationships with other EU countries we know who they are. | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
That's only the case if they have done something very bad and been | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
flagged in advance. Mostly they will walk straight through. I don't know | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
the last time you went through one of our airports and came back into | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
the UK, you probably had your passport checked. You are obviously | :46:42. | :46:49. | |
personal utmost integrity, but the point I'm making is I think a very | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
simple one. I think it is important as people are coming up to this | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
decision, that we are very clear about some of these arguments. There | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
is an issue about free movement, about the free movement rules and | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
what that allows people to do. We have negotiated changes which helped | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
us in terms of dealing with abusive free -- abuse of free movement. A | :47:12. | :47:20. | |
separate issue about whether or not we can check people coming into the | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
country and I'm saying we shouldn't conflate those issues. We have | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
stopped I think about 6000 people since 2010 from the EU coming into | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
this country, less than 1%. If we were outside the EU there would be a | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
visa system so we would know more about who was coming in. Firstly we | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
don't know what the system would be if we were outside the EU, that | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
would be one of the uncertainties. But you say that actually we have | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
stopped people coming from the European Union at the border. One of | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
the other things we have negotiated in the deal is making it easier to | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
stop people. It's about the definition of criminality. We have | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
made it easier, we will be able to stop and deport more people as a | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
result of the deal David Cameron negotiated. And when it comes to the | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
couple in Wolverhampton who were bludgeoned by people coming in, and | :48:21. | :48:30. | |
many other cases, you have no control and people who are flagged | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
have to have been doing something appalling before they came in. We | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
cannot stop people from coming in if they have been child molesters, | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
child killers. The system simply isn't working. There's no doubt we | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
need to do more in exchanging criminal records but I also have no | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
doubt we won't be better exchanging them through the system is available | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
if we are outside the EU. That is being inside the EU that gives us | :48:59. | :49:06. | |
access. This is about ensuring that the border we have the alerts, we | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
can exchange criminal records. These are important tools that are shared | :49:12. | :49:20. | |
within the European Union. Because we have free movement. They are | :49:21. | :49:27. | |
tools that allow us to stop people regardless of where they are coming | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
from. We have a number of systems that we are members of that help us | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
to do that. It is easier to exchange that information and have access to | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
it inside the European Union than it would be outside. 3 million people | :49:43. | :49:49. | |
coming in by 2030, good thing or bad thing? That was an independent | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
estimate. I think we need to control immigration, it is too high. It is | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
an official figure and they say another 3 million people, no reason | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
to think they are wrong. This is happening on your watch and looking | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
ahead it will carry on as it has in the past. I'm asking is it good or | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
bad? I think immigration is too high and we need to control it. As I said | :50:18. | :50:24. | |
earlier and I return to this, controlling immigration is hard, it | :50:25. | :50:26. | |
is something you constantly have to be dealing with, constantly have to | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
be looking to see what new measures we have to take, constantly looking | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
at changing the rules. We've changed some of the rules on free movement | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
as a result of the negotiated deal. People watching this programme | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
wondering how to vote will conclude from this that if they want | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
immigration to come down dramatically and in real terms we | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
should be outside the EU, they look forward to a situation where our | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
national living wage will be ?9 per hour, and the equivalent figure in | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
Bulgaria is less than 90p per hour. People will be drawn to this country | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
in large numbers so long as we remain in the EU. Funny answer the | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
national living wage point because you raised it earlier and I said I | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
would come back to it and wasn't able to. Obviously the national | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
living wage is going up, and people look when they are living -- looking | :51:24. | :51:32. | |
to move out what they will be able to earn. Migrants are taking jobs in | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
the UK that others are not taking. One result could be that residents | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
in the UK will take these jobs. When we look at the vote on the 23rd of | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
June, it is | :51:47. | 0:44:51 |