10/07/2016 The Andrew Marr Show

At last, high noon for Labour. After weeks of indecision, one of Jeremy

Corbyn's leading critics, Angela Eagle, has announced that she is

running against him for the leadership. It is going to be an

immensely bruising, brutal and damaging conflict. Are we looking at

the last days of the Labour Party? Jeremy Corbyn now fighting to save

his leadership joins me this morning. And the man preparing a

British version of impeachment against Tony Blair, David Davis is

here to explain how and why. Ukip is planning a huge assault on

Labour seats across England. Arron Banks, its financial backer and

possible future leader, is here to discuss life at the Nigel. -- after

Nigel. And here to review the papers, the

former Labour adviser Ayesha Hazarkia, Tim Loughton, campaign

manager for Andrea Leadsom, and CNN's chief international

corresponded Christiane Amanpour. And then, from peaky blinders to the

Deep Blue Sea, Helen McCrory will be telling me about hope, heartache and

why she is not moving Hollywood. To 20 years since the band Miracle

Legion achieved cult status. They are back and we have got them. So

all of that coming up after the news, but first, Victoria.

The leader of the UNITE trade union, Len McCluskey, has warned

of "lasting divisions" within the Labour party

if Jeremy Corbyn is kept off the ballot paper in the forthcoming

The former shadow Business Secretary, Angela Eagle,

is due to formally trigger a leadership contest tomorrow.

It's thought Labour's national executive will meet on Tuesday

to decide whether Mr Corbyn can stand without the backing

John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister at the time Britain went

to war with Iraq in 2003, has declared the invasion illegal.

Writing in the Sunday Mirror, Lord Prescott said

the Attorney General at the time had "provided no documentation",

to back up his verbal assertion that the invasion was lawful.

He also apologised for his role in the war.

Sir Cliff Richard is to sue the BBC and South Yorkshire Police

for ?1 million over live TV coverage of a police

Officers were filmed searching the singer's apartment in Berkshire

in 2014 as part of an investigation into historic sex offences.

He was never arrested or charged, but Sir Cliff says the

"gross invasion" of his privacy damaged his reputation -

The UK Anti-Doping agency has launched an investigation

into claims three British athletes paid for performance-enhancing drugs

A self-styled medic and two Kenyan doctors were secretly filmed

by the Sunday Times making claims they'd been paid by British athletes

to administer a banned blood-boosting drug.

In a statement, UK Athletics said it was seeking clarification

Andy Murray will seek a second Wimbledon title when he takes

It's the British number one's 11th grand slam final,

but the first in which he's not faced either Novak Djokovic

A lot to get through. The Sunday Mirror has a genuine scoop, John

Prescott has said Tony Blair forced us into an illegal war, using the

word illegal, and I think the phone lines to Hull will be throbbing. The

Sun has a story about sex abuse or something. The Sunday Telegraph,

Tory women turn against Andrea Leadsom as motherhood row deepens.

Not a great morning for Andrea Leadsom. Sunday express, mums'

theory. The Sunday Times sticking the knife in. The Mail on Sunday,

Sir Cliff Richard suing the BBC for ?1 million and the Observer ties it

all together with their headline, a general political meltdown, they

say. Labour and Conservatives in tone while as apples for leadership

turn ugly and Jeremy Corbyn looking very calm -- turn ugly.

I am going to start with Andrea Leadsom and her comments about

motherhood. Many of us feminists are very pleased that finally, there are

going to be two women vying for the top spot but it is very depressing

that this has become a row about whether or not you are fit to govern

depending on whether or not you have had children. There is a huge

backlash against Andrea Leadsom from a lot of senior Conservative women

and Anna Soubry, Priti Patel, Ruth Davidson, who doesn't have children

and says she has nieces and nephews and like everyone else, have a very

real stake in the country. Do you think it is fair everyone is ganging

up on Andrea Leadsom over this? I think women pay a penalty either

way. If they have children in politics, they suffer a hard time

and often get asked if they can cope dedicate enough time. If you don't

have children, you almost pay the penalty of why don't you have

children? One of the mistakes Andrea Leadsom did make was to contest what

was said because Rachel Sylvester, the journalist who did the

interview, is a very respected and credible journalist and when they

released the transcript, it was even worse, when we heard the full

compensation. And you can imagine as a war correspondent, journalist and

other, we face all the same issues that many women all over Britain do,

whether you are a mother or not. If you have tried and you can't have

kids. This is not an in Europe or out of Europe issue, this is grass

roots, mothers everywhere understand and I think it shows a lack of

judgment, to be frank, whether you talk about the feminist card, it

shows a lack of judgment of public life. Tim, I suppose the relief pub

??DELETE poisonous aspect of this issue seemed to be suggesting that

if Theresa May doesn't have children, she doesn't have as much

at stake in Britain's future -- be really poisonous aspect. She made it

clear in the interview that in no way was her passion for her children

was in no way to be taken as derogatory towards Theresa May. Then

why did she say it? She did say she had a better stake of understanding

the future. Let him talk. People are fired up and inspired by different

things. I am godfather to her eldest son, her children are the things

that really fire her up. Andy Murray has said today that the most

important thing to him is his family, Izzy criticising players who

don't have children? Would be be having this argument if it was two

men? We would. In all of the analysis in the Leadsom versus

Theresa May battle, it is being suggested it is a culture war, the

traditional Conservative right, Iain Duncan Smith and so forth, a bit

more sceptical about gay marriage, bit less liberal books about some of

the things that came in under the Cameron era and it is a final chance

to take back the Conservative Party. There is nothing traditional about

Andrea in that respect, it is not about taking control of the

Conservative Party. It is a fresh candidate in Andrea Leadsom, who has

much more experience outside of politics than all other candidates

put together. Did use of the story in the Sunday Times that analyses

both of them? We had five immensely strong candidates for Tory

leadership and any of them were credible. Labour is desperate to

find one and struggling. They bring different aspects and each of them

would make a fantastic Prime Minister, I have absolutely no

problem as Theresa May as Prime Minister serving her Government, or

from the backbenches or whatever. But Andrea, I am afraid the

establishment seem to be getting hurt, ganging up. That is a bit

unfair because we went through this with the Brexit argument. If the

remain camp brought out facts, the Brexiteer is criticised the

messengers. The same is here. She said what she said. It was bad

judgment. And what she said is she is passionate about her kids. When

has it been a crime to be proud of your children? It is never a crime

but it is about pro and who is in the best position to take this

position and I think the political press need to take the facts and see

where the weight lies. I want to ask you policies. A quick question, this

is a genuine question, you have Britain first, a far right extremist

group who is potentially getting or behind Andrea Leadsom, is that a

worry for you. Because this ultranationalist group is very

dangerous. We have had a political assassination in this country. Of

course they denied... You can't choose the people who support from

outside. They are vile, toxic and loathsome people and we want

absolutely nothing to do with them. If anybody needs to be deported, it

is people with those sort of dangerous and poisonous views. They

are trying to make out a campaign for Andrea simply because she is a

Brexit candidate. What is the positive message from Andrea

Leadsom's campaign and what is it that makes a great Prime Minister?

She is a fresh face that made a virtue out of passionately believing

that Britain's best future was outside of the EU and she wants to

make that work and be in the position to make sure Britain

achieves that. All right, let's turn to the other big political story of

the day, the struggle for the Labour leadership. Angela Eagle has said

she is going to stand, she will formally announce over the course of

the weekend or tomorrow, and that will plunge your party, or it was

your party, into complete turmoil for a bit? It is very serious for

the Labour Party and very serious for British politics. We are in a

very difficult climate, we have a Government having a leadership

crisis and an opposition which is not functional at the moment, so

there was an impasse that had been reached. Those talks clearly broke

down yesterday. I think what Angela had wanted to do was give those

talks a chance. Clearly they reached failure. So she has indicated

strongly... Jeremy Corbyn's people would say Tom Watson brought the

House down in order to let Angela Eagle and the whole thing was part

of the plot. I don't take that view, I genuinely think Tom Watson did

everything he could to get a deal. The future of the Labour Party is

very precarious now. We have a Parliamentary party that has ground

to a halt. We have a leader that cannot command the respect of

Parliament. Yes, the members are important, the voters are important

but your MPs in Parliament are important. So I think it is right

that Angela is going to launch a campaign because we have to try and

find some way forward for the Labour Party. I said right at the top of

the programme it would be a brutal and damaging campaign and some

people may think why am I saying that? You have some tweets that give

a sense of what is being said already. The climate in the Labour

Party has become very hostile, particularly against women. There is

a lot of misogyny, a lot of homophobia. Angela Eagle

particularly is now at the receiving end, having had the temerity to

challenge Jeremy. She is receiving quite disgusting abuse. There is a

Twitter feed called "Gentler politics" and I cannot read out most

of them because they are so vile. Let me give you a flavour that many

women in the Labour Party are getting that have expressed views

against Jeremy Corbyn. One said to me that these to get together on

caucus and talk about the equal pay and childcare and now talking about

death threats, rape threats and threats and threats to the family.

Some of it is coming from Jeremy Corbyn supporters. You are also a

stand-up comic and your new show is about women in politics, will it to

deal with these elements which Mark yes, it is about my time in the

Labour Party and how difficult it can be for women in power. Great

plug for her show. You have a story from the Observer about voter

turnout. We are interested in how interested people are in what is

going on? The referendum turnout was 72%, the highest turnout in an

election since 1992 but a survey has shown that amongst 18-24 -year-olds,

the most reluctant voters, the turnout was sickened. It was

interesting because people were trying to get young voters on board

because they were in favour of remain Mac the. -- the turnout was

64%. The last turnout actually was down, most young voters don't go

out. The referendum engaged them and got them to go out and vote so there

is some hope that democracy is going in the right direction. Two other

stories we must do, one is Chilcot and one is Dallas. Obviously, we

have all been through Chilcot and we have seen the verdict and it was not

a whitewash, it was pretty damning against Tony Blair. He didn't get

away with it, so to speak, in the court of public opinion. I would

say, having covered the war, the actual war itself was one pretty

quickly with relatively few casualties than the post-war. -- was

won. The big lesson going forward is the absolutely atrocious negligence

by mostly the Americans of the lack of post planning, and I was there, I

saw it and I remember reporting the looting and we were told by Donald

Rumsfeld, that is not looting, that is the same porcelain vase coming

out over and over. So the state office? It was the Pentagon under

Donald Rumsfeld, who pooh-poohed any idea of professional post-war

planning and failed to recognise and denied the insurgency, and that was

really terrible. We are going to talk to David Davis in a moment

about what happens next. The other story we absolutely must do is

Dallas. The Dallas shootings. I just want to say Marie Colbourne was

killed, there is a legal case. -- Marie Colvin. What happened in

Dallas is appalling, the killing of the police officers which came,

according to the crazy guy, the killings of the black people in

Minnesota and baton rouge, and that is becoming a very, very tough

situation. So the politics are going to the extreme and you don't want to

see that coming here. So this was a fairly bleak news review. Who has

the front page of the Observer? Brexit coming, recession looming,

Andy, please cheer us up. Wimbledon has Nafferton -- never mattered

more. Yes, and as a Scot. Thanks to all of you. That was interesting.

Tony Blair faced the judgement of the Chilcot Inquiry

on the Iraq war last week, and the findings were pretty

damning, on the way intelligence was presented, how decisions

were made, and the lack of military preparation.

Sir John Chilcot also said that the circumstances

in which it was decided there was a legal basis

for the invasion, were "far from satisfactory".

So what - if anything - should MPs do about it all?

I'm joined by the Conservative MP, David Davis - good morning.

MPs can't prosecute Tony Blair for an illegal war or anything like

that, we don't have impeached as the Americans do in this country, so

what can we do? We have been trying to get that through the house

authorities for while, but it is impossible, it is out of date, our

procedure. I will put down a motion which says Tony Blair has held the

housing contempt, bit like contempt of court. By lying to the house?

Chilcot does not say that he lied. Tony Blair claims that Chilcot did

not say he was a liar, but he was not asked to rule on that, he was

asked to look at the war and the causes of the war, not whether Tony

Blair lied or not. If you look at the debate alone, on five different

grounds the House was misled, three in terms of the weapons of mass

destruction and one in terms of the United Nations and the way the votes

were coming. He might have done one of those accidentally, but five,

five different deceptions on the House? This is a contempt motion in

the House of Commons, do you have the numbers to get this through? We

don't know. The group that started this were about 20 MPs, from all

parties, but everyone I speak to things that there has been a trial,

but no verdict. And the House has to deliver the verdict, I have spoken

to members of the families and lawyers, soldiers, they all want a

verdict and that is what this is about, delivering a verdict on Tony

Blair's taking us into that war. When does this happen? I will put

down the contempt motion on Thursday this week and if the speaker accept

set, and I think the odds are good, because this is public interest. The

word is it is likely. Likely to be the next week, but for the end of

term. If the Commons votes for the content motion, what happens next to

Tony Blair? -- contempt. That is interesting, the government might

strip him of his Privy Council. That would be a big deal? It has been

done before, Profumo lost that and he was stripped of it, and that was

because of a sex scandal, not because of a war in which millions

have died and the destruction of the Middle East. Would he have to come

to the bar, Tony Blair? That is a possibility, but the House cannot

drag in there, if they summon him and he does not turn up, nothing

happens. It is a question of persuading the authorities to take

the next act. I think the government would have to take this seriously,

they did this with Profumo and this is much more serious than that, much

more serious. You clashed with Theresa May in the old days but you

are now backing her campaign. Andrea Leadsom is a freshfaced is she fit

to the Prime Minister? She is intelligent and charming, but the

events of last week have demonstrated, she has come under

pressure because the leadership contest as I know to my cost, they

are pressurised the bar by nothing like as pressurised as being Prime

Minister. -- they are pressurised but nothing like. I did not see much

about the mother gate instead, but inexperience, regarding that, and in

her proposal to trigger article 50 the moment she wins, there are many

things which shows she has not got BX periods. She's a junior minister

-- she has not got the experience. People talk about the glass cliff,

you take a woman into a difficult position, and there is a cliff, you

push her off it. Frankly, it is not about whether she is a woman, the

wonderful aspect is whoever wins, we will have another woman Prime

Minister. You have got to apply the same standards debate. She's lacking

in experience? It is not goodwill, it is experience, and that will

change with time. But at the moment she is too inexperienced for a

really important job at the most important time in our history.

Thanks for joining us. As we heard, Andy Murray carries the hopes of the

nation again, what will the weather server up for him? Sarah is on

centre court. It has been a cloudy start to the day at Wimbledon, a few

spots of drizzle, the roof is closed at the moment. We might have more

rain in the next few hours, but we can be fairly optimistic that the

weather should brighten up in the afternoon and we are hopeful that

the roof will stay open for the final later. Elsewhere, humid and

breezy feel to the weather, some outbreaks of rain but also sunshine

in there, as well. Around 11 o'clock there will be outbreaks of rain in

the western half of Wales, brighter skies in the South West, but

anywhere from the Isle of Wight to the wash and the south of that, that

is where we will see the cloud and the drizzly outbreaks. Further

north, brighter skies in the north-east of England, but showers

for North West England and across Scotland and Northern Ireland. We

are expecting outbreaks of rain, some of those outbreaks pretty

heavy, at times. A gusty feel to the weather, as well. The weather will

be moving west to ease, so things will clear up, but it is not certain

how quickly the rain will clear up. Scattered showers to the north of

London across Wales, northern England, and the rain will continue

on and off for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Temperatures between 17-22d

and things look fresher with sunshine and showers for the next

few days but we are hopeful for a dry men's final at Wimbledon. That

is good news. Ukip's impact on British politics

in recent years is undeniable, and one of the key figures in Ukip

is its main donor, Arron Banks - usually described as a

multi-millionaire insurance tycoon. He spent millions funding

the - unofficial - But his ambitions do

not end with Brexit. We are going to talk about the

future of Ukip as a party, but one of your targets are those Labour

seats in the North East of England and the Midlands, which voted

heavily for Brexit. If you look at the general election, there were up

to 30 seats the Conservatives won as a result of Ukip drawing votes away

from Labour and we have seen the follow-through in Brexit, the Leave

vote was very big in Labour areas. You are putting money and

organisation into those seats, how many can you win? 30-40,

potentially, there is much greater opportunity with the Labour Party,

who are disconnected with the voters, and we saw that around the

country. Some of the seats, 75% voted Leave. Your campaign, very

much highlighted immigration as the big issue, will it be the same kind

of campaign? It was Leave EU. Is it going to be an immigration campaign?

It is the disconnection between the Metropolitan elite who sneer at

working people and we can take these policies back into the Labour

heartlands for working people. If there was a moment which

crystallised people's worries about Brexit, it was the breaking point

poster, with the migrants behind Nigel Farage. I was not involved in

that. Did you think it was a mistake? I didn't. In terms of the

referendum it was the economy versus immigration and I think it put

immigration at the forefront of people's thoughts and I did not

think it was a mistake at all. I saw you grimacing when I saw you were a

potential leader. You were thinking about putting your hat in the ring?

That is just the way I smile. I've not really decided. Probably it will

be someone like Stephen Warf or someone else, but I have not

discounted it completely. You have strongly backed Andrea Leadsom, she

said she doesn't want your money and she doesn't want Ukip supporters,

but you think she is essential. You think the establishment will try to

stop Brexit? I have had no contact with Andrea Leadsom, but I feel

Theresa May, that would be the death Brexit by a thousand cuts. You think

she would be betraying the referendum? Absolutely. It is now

projects make the media are behind Theresa May and there is a good

reason for it -- it is now projects smear and the media are behind it.

You think she might not trigger article 50 until it is too late or

she would try to get run it and keep free movement? I think she will go

for the long way option, what happened in Norway, people were

against being part of the European Union but the political elite pushed

as much as they can. If Andrea Leadsom wins, many Ukip supporters

will simply move to the Tory party. And therefore Ukip's future has a

question over it. If Theresa May wins you said you will pour ?10

million into reviving the fight against Theresa May's version of the

Conservative parties. If Theresa May wins, Ukip will be back with a

vengeance, but if Andrea Leadsom wins it will be a different

scenario. Maybe a new party? Possibly, and there will be sound

reasons for that. If you look at our campaign, we had a million online

followers and the social media reached 15 million people a week and

we had tremendous reach. Our data 's -- database has many Conservative

members. The Conservative Party is a dying party, even though it has

100,000 members. I think there is a big opportunity for another kind of

party. A new name and a more online party, with fresh faces, taking on

Labour and the Tories. Yes, and perhaps direct democracy, the elite

have hated the referendum because it has taken power away from them, and

I think the idea of more referendums would be fantastic. Thanks for

joining us. Two years ago, Helen McCrory's

performance as Medea at the National Theatre

won her a new legion of fans. Well, she's back at the National

this summer, having exchanged Greek A revival of Terence Rattigan's

masterpiece The Deep Blue Sea is a study in heartbreak -

based on the playwright's I caught up with Helen McCrory

recently to talk about the play. But I started by asking

about her hugely successful TV role as the Peaky Blinder's terrifying

female gang boss, Aunt Polly. It's family only,

she's not blood, Tommy. It is men fighting like cockerels

that have put us here When the men came back

from the First World War, When Tommy comes back,

the complexity she must go through, trying to hand over her business,

and also to men who have been so brutalised by

the First World War. As far as she's concerned

they are doing it really badly. They are making constant mistakes

and going into other people's turfs. And her ability to on one hand

balance the business and on the other hand balance

the family and be able to want to expand down to London

and abroad and as we are about to see in the new Peaky Blinders,

go further and further afield. It means you see why

she is in charge. One of the great debates that has

gone on, why can't the British produce great, big, multi-series,

multi-year epics on television like the Americans do with the likes

of Game of Thrones Perhaps Peaky Blinders is the first

to break through this way. We have a fantastic tradition

in this country of gritty realism And so we should be very proud

of them, they are brilliant film-makers

and television makers. However, Steve Knight has done

something we don't normally like doing, which is

blowing our own trumpet He does it, and he does it with

a bunch of crims from Birmingham. And now you go to New York

and there are hip parts where you will not see a barber

without seeing a bunch With the flat caps

and all the rest of it. The Deep Blue Sea, the Rattigan

play, it is a late play It is darker and richer

in some respects. I think the suicide

of Kenneth Moore, his lover, that happened three years before

this play was first produced in 1952 His lover was discovered

in a West London flat Rattigan got the news by telegram

and his first response was, burn the telegram, I'm

going upstairs to write a play. It is believed he wrote the third

act of The Deep Blue Sea that night. He does something very odd

by today's standards, he takes a gay story and makes it

straight, because of course in the 1950s you could not put

on a play about homosexual love, especially if you were

Terence Rattigan, in London Whether it was written

for a man or woman, the same It is shame about your sexuality,

the shame of that, and the shame of running away with a man

who is drunk and doesn't It ends on a hopeful

moment, you do a bit Because actually what Rattigan asks,

right at the end of the play, we have gas all the way through,

because it starts with her failed Is she going to gas

herself again, that is Right at the end, Rattigan asks,

she comes in, and she likes the gas Right at the end, Rattigan asks,

she comes in, and she lights the gas fire coming she asks her lover,

have you eaten? I asked for a stove to be put

into one of the rehearsals. It is the same kind of idea,

he says to her, you have got to get Yes, you might be crying,

but eat your egg sandwich You live in Beverly Hills

and London, is the British television world and the British

theatre world is big enough to keep someone like you here

permanently? Not only is it keeping me

here permanently, it is keeping Scorsese wants to come back

because of the excellence of the crews is unsurpassed,

I think, anywhere in the world. Actually working in Britain is more

flexible now than in America? Which is amazing, in the old days it

was completely the other way around. The Kinks got kicked out of America

because the union did not Yeah, far more flexible

working over here. I was supposed to be filming

something last year called Penny Dreadful, which were supposed

to be filming in London The next project I'm doing

we are looking for studio space And on 1st September,

The Deep Blue Sea will be broadcast by National Theatre Live to over 650

cinemas across the UK. In a moment, I'll be talking

to Jeremy Corbyn but first a brief look at what's coming up on BBC One

after this programme. On Sunday morning live, what lessons

can we in Britain learn from Dallas about the relationship between

police and the black community? Michael grade is going to tell us

why he is cracking down on high-pressure funding techniques by

charities. And we ask is it fair for transgender women, born as men, to

compete against women in the Olympics? All of that at ten.

About the national theatre thing, I said December but in September.

Two weeks ago the former Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn

was sitting here having been fired in the middle of the night

That provoked a deluge of resignations from

the Shadow Cabinet and a crisis for the Labour leader unprecedented

Since then, Mr Corbyn has done no major interview.

But this weekend Angela Eagle has announced her formal challenge

to him and a brutal, knock-down fight for the soul

and perhaps the future of the Labour Party starts here.

Jeremy Corbyn, welcome. All of this started with reaction to the Brexit

vote, so a very straightforward question if I made to start with,

which way did you vote? Remain. I am surprised you even ask the question.

Quite a lot of people around you suggested you have never been a

supporter. Nobody ever suggested I would vote anything but Remain, and

you are aware of that. Did you do everything you could to get that

Remain vote? I worked flat out, street meetings, public meetings,

universities, colleges, public places, urging people to vote Remain

because of the general direction this country would go if we voted to

leave. I am not uncritical of the European Union, as most know and

most of the nation are not uncritical of the European Union.

Yesterday, I came back from Paris, where I had met the party of

European Socialists, to work together with Socialist parties and

sometimes governments across Europe on how we work with this and how we

have access to the single market in the future and to protect the social

conditions we have through the social chapter in the treaty. Angela

Eagle has announced she is going to stand against you. Have you any

message for her? I am disappointed but obviously she is free to do that

if she wishes do. We have worked together in the last nine months in

the Shadow Cabinet and this is an opportunity, when we could be

putting enormous pressure on this Tory Government, on inequality, on

injustice, on poverty and all of the issues this Tory Government... Would

you like her to think again, in that case? She resigned from the Shadow

Cabinet, we had a conversation after she announced her resignation from

the Shadow Cabinet and I would ask her to think for a moment, this is

the opportunity of the party to unite against what the Tories are

doing, to put forward an agenda which is different to the austerity

agenda put forward by the Tories, and gained a lot of ground. We now

have a membership of over half a million people. They have joined for

a reason, they want to see a party that is active all the time,

opposing what this Government is doing. If she does stand, are you

confident you can get the 51 nominations to get on the ballot? I

am expecting to be on the ballot paper because the rules of the party

indicated the existing leader, if challenged, should be on the ballot

paper. Legal advice taken by the party says you need those

nominations, as Neil Kinnock had to do. Neill should remind himself,

that was in 1988, when the election leader was done by the college

system. We now have a one member, one-vote system. The rules, in my

view, are absolutely clear and I am not sure what legal advice he is

referring to, I have not been shown any legal advice. Have you taken

legal advice of your own? I have taken much of soundings from

lawyers, there are a lot of lawyers about. And they have said you will

be on the ballot come what May? Yes. Some will say why should you be

treated differently? In the past, Labour leaders have had to show they

have the support of the fifth of the MPs and MEPs. That was in 1988, the

electoral college system has been abolished. It is now one member, one

vote and members of Parliament have a role in that, of course they do,

but at the end of the day, the final say is by the members, failures and

supporters of the party. If you had to come at you think you can get

those 51 nominations? You would be surprised how much support there is

out there. I was elected a year ago with a large majority and a large

mandate and since then, we have defeated the Government on more than

20 occasions in Parliament and we have won elections. I think we are a

party going places and doing well. This is something that will end up

with the national Executive Committee of the Labour Party this

week. If the NEC decides you should not be on the ballot paper without

getting the nominations, will you take it to court? I will challenge

it if it is the view they take, but I would just ask anyone in the party

to think about it for a moment. Is it really right that the members of

the party should be denied a decision, a discussion, a choice in

this? Half a million people are members of the party because they

want the party to succeed. Surely they are the people that knock on

doors, deliver leaflets, raise the money. As Neil Kinnock has said, in

the end, the Labour Party as a Parliamentary party, its founding

constitution is to create and sustain a party in parliament and if

you have not got the support of 80% of your own MPs, it is very hard to

see how you can be an effective leader in opposition or perhaps one

day in Government. Neil Kinnock says that and I have heard him say that

on a number of occasions. The reality is the party is a coalition

of affiliated unions, socialist societies, individual members,

registered supporters and members of Parliament. They have to come

together. I have reached out in a way that no other leader ever has,

in the breadth of the political views of people high have brought

around the Shadow Cabinet table. I am not the one trying to box myself

into a corner. I have reached out in the broadest way I could. Let's go

back to how this all started, that very dramatic night when Hilary Benn

was fired by you in the middle of the night. Why did you fire him?

Hilary Benn confirmed to me in a phone call that he had indeed been

collecting signatures for some days, of wanting to have a mass

resignation from the Shadow Cabinet, because he didn't agree with my

leadership. I didn't think that was a particularly collegiate thing to

do, particularly as we were involved in the EU referendum campaign at

that time. I was the one travelling the country, getting the support for

a Remain vote and he confirmed he had been doing that and we then

discussed it. And he generously, as I generously said to him, said this

really can't go on and so we parted company. Two courteous people. We

both come from very courteous families. You parted company

courteously but after that, 63 members of your team resigned,

leaving you with a very threadbare Shadow Cabinet. There are lots of

important jobs you can't even fill and people doing more than one job.

This is not an effective opposition in the traditional way, is it? I am

saying to Labour MPs, you have a responsibility to represent the

party in parliament. We are only any of us in Parliament because of the

work of Labour Party members and supporters and Labour voters and I

urge them to recognise that, but also, I am keen to reach out. We are

going to come together, discussing how we deal with the possible UK

negotiations over the next few months of the European Union. There

are a lot of policy areas where there are a great deal of agreement

but I think the crucial one is the achievement of John McDonnell

interning economic policy around and pretty much everyone seems to be

signed up to the idea that you invest rather than cut to grow the

economy. You haven't got a proper Shadow Europe minister, the same

person is doing the Shadow Northern Irish and Scottish job, and he is

English. It is going to be very hard for the Labour Party do a serious

line by line criticism and opposition and holding the

Government to account that it ought to be doing. That is why I say to

Labour MPs, get round the table, get together, so we can do the line by

line criticism of what this Government is doing. And I have to

say, there are very many talented people in the Parliamentary Labour

Party and I am disappointed that some of them have declined to take

on positions that have been offered. I asked them to think again, because

our duty is to stand up for the poorest and most vulnerable people

in society and convince the majority that a better society is one that is

inclusive to all. The hard truth is that they have lost faith in you

personally, and it is not just the Blairites, it is people like Lisa

Nandi, Ed Miliband, who was a great supporter all the way through,

eventually said it is not working, it is over. These are people who are

supposed to be on your side. They have said that MPs controlled

everything at the end of the day and decide what we do or not. I just ask

them to think for a moment about the very large number of members of this

party and people who have joined our party in order to create a better

society in Britain, don't they have a right to have a say in all of

this? Don't they have a voice that should be heard in all of this? I

can reach out and I am very prepared to work with people. I was given a

huge responsibility and a mandate a year ago and I am carrying it out.

But those MPs have the votes of 9 million British people behind them.

Here is Louise Hay, who voted view in the leadership campaign and she

said, "I completely respect Jeremy has the mandate, but in order to

lead Labour in Westminster, he has to have a Parliamentary mandate and

you don't." Lisa Nandi, "The lack of confidence in the leadership goes

beyond the small group of MPs who have consistently opposed Jeremy

since his election. It has become clear he is unable to form a broad,

inclusive Shadow Cabinet that draws on the best of our movement's

traditions." Then why doesn't Lisa come back into the Shadow Cabinet? A

week ago, she was happily in it, an hour later she decided she wasn't. I

have noticed the enormous pressure that has been put, and MPs have told

me about this, about a group saying you have got to get out, leave

Corbin alone, get away from him. Sorry, we have a Labour Party,

Labour MPs have a responsibility to represent our party and I urge them

to think about what they are doing at the present time. Surely, the

Tory party is in disarray, and unemployment is rising, inflation is

rising, this is the time we should be out there doing the campaigning

on an economic strategy, very ably put forward by John McDonnell, which

does present a real opportunity and a real alternative for the people of

this country. People like Lisa are grown-ups and experienced

politicians, they have taken their decision for their own reasons and

it remains the problem that you don't have a majority of Labour MPs,

nothing like it, in the House of Commons behind you. So one of two

things can happen. Either you can decide to stand aside and end the

problem that way, or eventually, you have to get rid of those MPs who

oppose you. You have to have mandatory reselection could get them

all out. It is a Democratic party, not a dictatorship. I was elected by

a very large majority of members and supporters. I did not have a

majority of MPs supporting the at the beginning, I haven't enjoyed

that position during the past nine months. I have reshaped to all

sections of the Parliamentary party and I would respectfully suggest a

little bit of movement to help us develop policies and campaigned

against this Government ought to be our priority at the moment.

What is the movement coming from you? What have you been offering the

rebels? Bring people together and decide how we deal with the complex

matter of the results of the referendum, the effects on industry

and trade and investment, and the effects on environmental, human

rights and social policies in Britain, huge effects. They say this

is about Jeremy Corbyn and they don't have faith in Jeremy Corbyn

and the way he is running the Labour Party and his office. That answer is

not going to satisfy them, is it? Come and talk about it, I've reached

out to Labour MPs, I meet with them frequently. You have not done

anything about it. How'd you know what I've done? I'm asking you. If

you can tell me if you've done something specific to change

operation or meet their concerns. Or if it is not working by a certain

time, that you should stand aside? Why should I have a limited time and

I was elected by a large number of members and supporters to lead this

party. If at the end of the day, and election results in a different

leader, so be it, but I would be irresponsible if I walked away from

a mandate that I was given an responsibility I was given, I asked

colleagues to respect that, as well. You have been under enormous

pressure, you must have spoken about this with their family, and there

was talk that you had a bit of a wobble, could you carry on. You read

too many papers. It is all I do. Let me tell you, that is untrue, there

are no wobbles and no stress and no depression. Real stress is when you

can't feed your kids and real stress is if you don't have a job, we'll

stress is if your landlord is going to evict you from your home, that is

what real stress in our society is -- real stress is if your landlord.

Our job as MPs is to recognise the real stress is people face and try

and bring about a society that deals with those issues. You can only deal

with that if you win power as a party. Yes. If 80% of your own MPs

think they can't do that under you, is partly the fault of that Jeremy

Corbyn's question --? I'm happy to accept responsibly, but we have

defeated the government on 20 occasions and we have one

Parliamentary by-elections, we have increased our foe, we have won four

mayoral contests -- we have increased our vote. Every person in

receipt of personal independence payments continues to get them

because of Labour opposition, the forced Academy was Asian of schools

is not happening because of Labour, there is a lot we have achieved in

the last year -- the forced Academy issue of schools is not happening.

The leadership question, people say to me, Tony Blair, much reviled, but

he won a huge landslide victory in the Labour leadership election, to

begin with, and anyone another landslide victory in the country,

and you voted against him 500 times. How can you then say to the Labour

Party, give me the loyalty that I never gave to Tony Blair? I never

attacked Tony Blair personally. You voted against him. I voted on issues

of the Iraq war and issues of the conduct of anti-terrorism and issues

such as student fees and student loans, yes, of course I did. Over

quite a long period. I also voted very happy and very proudly to bring

in the national minimum wage and the Human Rights Act and to bring in the

equalities act, under Gordon Brown. Neil Kinnock had a mandate, as well,

you are part of the campaign to topple him. How can you say that you

want the loyalty that I did not give to Neil Kinnock? There was a

challenge that Tony Benn made in 1988, it was not a success, but we

carried on working in the party to try and win the 1992 election which

certainly was not possible. Is the victory of the left inside the

Labour Party more important than winning the next general election?

What is most important is to change the way politics is done in this

country, to excite young people and older people into the idea that you

can have a society that doesn't divide people and doesn't have

grotesque levels of inequality, and that we don't make the younger

generation worse off than this generation and their children were

soft than us, it is a way of doing politics which has changed partly

engendered by social media and movements across Europe and North

America, times are changing. The last people to understand that seems

to be many of our media leader writers, if I may be so bold. You

mentioned social media, but the volumes of view is being held at

your opponents by people who say they are your supporters is pretty

vile -- the volumes of abuse. No one does while abuse in my name with my

support, I condemn it in every way, just as much as any abuse which is

held at me or anybody else. People should engage in political debate

and not abuse. One of your supporters describes Angela Eagle as

treacherous. Another one says Angela Eagle is a Tory supporting weasel

and her selfish gang of Blairites. Totally unacceptable. I has broken

two MPs who are worried they are being forcibly deselected -- I have

spoken to. The mood is very nasty out there. I have made it very

clear, debate should be respectful and polite, debate should be

political, and I have to say much of the criticism levelled at me by

members of Parliament, some of it very unpleasant and very public,

that is almost never political, almost never political. They don't

say which policy they are not supporting. It is a bit unfortunate,

isn't it? It is also the case that momentum has made you its course. If

you go onto their website, it does not give you a list of policies, it

says they are here to support Jeremy Corbyn and it is your name and face

all over it, so you have personalised it in a sense. Momentum

has been developed as a way of bringing people into politics and

getting people motivated. To support Jeremy Corbyn. Many of them are

supportive of what my leadership is trying to achieve in economic policy

and human rights policy and foreign policy. All these areas. I hope we

can come together and recognise that the solutions out there actually

political. Is there any part of you that would prefer to split the

Labour Party than stand down? I joined the Labour Party when I was

16 and I have been in it all my life, my family... Owen Smith said

you would prefer to split the Labour Party than stand aside. I have no

idea what he would say such a thing. I've had interesting, philosophical

political discussions with Owen Smith week ago and I'm slightly

surprised he would go out and say that. I'm happy to have a discussion

with him any time, so we can discuss how we take things. We have worked

on the steel industry and other issues. A couple of other big

issues. Not about your leadership. The Trident vote. How are you going

to whip your MPs? The vote is about whether Britain has continuous

deterrence at sea and I'm surprised the government has put forward a

vote in sense. -- in that sense. This takes away any opportunity of

fulfilling the antinuclear treaty. It takes away... Labour MPs will

have to vote that done? We will have a discussion about that, there are

differences of opinion, but my views are very well-known and the views of

others are very known, and there might be MPs voting in different

lobbies, but the point I will be making, by maintaining, by having a

vote solely on this... It actually reduces the opportunity for having a

future disarmament talk surely we want to live in a nuclear free

world. It was a Labour government that signed up to the nuclear

Non-Proliferation Treaty. Less than half a minute left. David Davies was

talking about the Chilcott inquiry and there will be a motion of

contempt in the House of Commons regarding Tony Blair for deceiving

the House of Commons, how will you vote in that? I urge colleagues to

read the Chilcott report in the way that Parliament was denied the

information it should have had and the lack of preparations for the

postinvasion situation in Iraq. Parliament must hold to account

including Tony Blair, those took us into this secure war, that is surely

what Parliamentary democracy is all about. A vote for the content

motion? I have not seen it yet, but I think I probably would. --

contempt. Jeremy Corbyn, thanks for joining us.

That's nearly all we have time for today -

On the Sunday Politics in an hour, Andrew Neil will be talking

to the Labour leadership challenger, Angela Eagle.

We'll be back next week when our guests will include Tory

For now, as promised - we leave you with music.

The cult US band, Miracle Legion are revered by their contemporaries -

Indeed, Thom Yorke of Radiohead said that the band "changed the way

Miracle Legion came in to the studio recently ahead of their UK tour.

Portrait of a Damaged Family is the album - and from it, this

# My daddy reached out and he gave me a kiss

# I seen him running with a dog or two

# He said, "Hey, man, you're too good for Baltimore."

# So meet me later at the locker room door

# So meet me later at the locker room door."