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There's talk of an NHS crisis absolutely everywhere. | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
Theresa May is set to confirm we'll be out | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
of the European Single Market - a move that will appall | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
You might have thought the opposition would be riding high. | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
Instead, Labour's had yet another - yet another - terrible week. | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
Is time running out for Jeremy Corbyn? | :00:22. | :00:43. | |
The Labour leader, fresh from his most radical speech yet, | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
is here to explain how his anti-establishment politics | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
will revive his party's flagging fortunes. | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
Could Northern Ireland's political meltdown throw Theresa May's plans | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
I'll ask the Northern Ireland Secretary, James Brokenshire. | :00:57. | :01:09. | |
And, as arguments rage about post-truth politics, | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
Timothy Spall will be here to talk about his new film - an epic battle | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
The reason you don't engage with people you | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
And you might learn some facts, facts which don't suit your | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
Joining me on the sofa this morning Ayesha Hazarika, | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
a former Labour adviser turned stand-up comedian, Paul Waugh, | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
political editor of Huffington Post UK, and Esther McVey, | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
a former Tory MP and a Leave campaigner in the EU referendum, | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
That's all after the news, read for us this morning | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
The Prime Minister Theresa May is to call for an end | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
to the division stirred by last year's EU referendum, | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
when she reveals her most detailed plan yet on how the Government | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
will approach its Brexit negotiations. | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
In a speech this week to ambassadors, she'll outline | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
a commitment to building a Britain more open to the rest of the world. | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
Reports suggest that she will set out plans | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
for a so-called "hard Brexit" - pulling out of the single market | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
and the customs union in order to regain control of immigration. | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Air passengers arriving in Britain could face "severe | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
disruption" after Brexit, unless there's an increase | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
in Border Force staff, according to the Airport Operators | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
The group says passport checks for EU nationals are likely | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
to become more stringent, causing an increase in queues | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Here's our home affairs correspondent, Danny Shaw. | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
There are record numbers of travellers at Britain's airports. | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
In 2015, there were 251 million passenger journeys. | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
It's thought last year's figure was even higher. | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
But there's concern that growth in air traffic hasn't been matched | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
by an increase in resources for Border Force, | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
which is responsible for immigration and customs checks. | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
The Airport Operators Association says that's led to longer | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
queues at passport desks, and it's concerned | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
At present, EU travellers use separate channels | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
They tend to be quicker than for passengers | :03:09. | :03:18. | |
But after Brexit, if people from overseas all screened | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
in the same way, the association says overall waiting | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
The Home Office says it will be wrong to set out details of how | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
future immigration controls might work in advance of negotiations | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
with the EU, but the department says Border Force has the capacity | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
to meet passenger demand and maintain security. | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
The US president-elect, donald trump, has hit back at criticism | :03:37. | :03:46. | |
from the respected civil rights campaigner, John Lewis. | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
Mr Lewis, a Democrat Congressman, said he did not consider Mr Trump | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
a legitimate president and would not attend his inauguration. | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Other Democrat politicians are expected to boycott the event. | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
Donald Trump responded with a tweet, dismissing Mr Lewis as "all | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
A committee of MPs is to hold an inquiry into the planned | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
multi-billion pound restoration of the Palace of Westminster. | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
A report last year recommended that both MPs and peers move out | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
of the buildings for several years while work is carried out - | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
But the Treasury Select Committee is to examine whether the move | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
is necessary and whether the plan offers value for money. | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
A major international conference to try to kick-start | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
the Middle East peace process is being held in Paris. | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
Delegates from 70 countries, including Britain, are expected | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
to reaffirm support for a two-state solution to the | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
Palestinians have welcomed the meeting, but Israel | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
I said earlier that the NHS crisis was all over the papers, so let me | :04:44. | :05:05. | |
demonstrate. The Sunday Mirror. A picture of a little girl sitting on | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
the floor of her award. The Mail on Sunday suggests cutting foreign aid | :05:11. | :05:18. | |
to fund the NHS better. And the Observer - health service in crisis | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
as cancer operations are cancelled. The Sunday Times has gone with a | :05:22. | :05:32. | |
trump- Putin summit. They also say that Theresa May is going to | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
announce on Wednesday that we're unlikely to leave customs union and | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
the single market. The Sunday Telegraph gambles on what they call | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
eight clean Brexit. People always say it is clean, hard, soft, brutal, | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
whatever. Let's start with Brexit. I think the interesting thing about | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the Sunday Times front page is that it captures how much hardball | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
Theresa May will play next week when she makes this speech on Brexit. It | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
is unusual to our politicians talking about the pound, but here we | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
have Downing Street rethink that there could be a market correction. | :06:13. | :06:22. | |
What might be pound going down? Yes. They are also talking about a | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
transitional deal. If it proves necessary, we have said we will | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
consider time for implementation of new arrangements, which shows it is | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
not about hard or soft Brexit, but more about quick or slow. A bit | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
harder on the bit slower seems to be the message. Ayesha, Theresa May has | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
said all the way through that we have to have control back over | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
immigration, which means leaving the single market, which is no surprise. | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
If she wasn't going to leave the customs union, she would not have | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
set up an entire department for international trade duties. It is no | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
surprise, but still quite a moment. I think she has made her position | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
clear, leaning towards favouring immigration control over membership | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
of the single market. We talked about the adjectives people use. I | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
think that was the signal the country gave, and that is why she is | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
going with it. Don't forget what Philip Hammond said - people didn't | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
vote for Brexit to be worse off. I hope that we will not have a broke | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Brexit Ouray breadline Brexit at the end of this. Their race and | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
interesting story in a German Sunday newspaper in which Philip Hammond is | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
quoted saying that if we don't get the market access we want, we can | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
have a different economic model, by which he seems to mean slashing | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
corporation tax and having a low tax island outside the continental | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
system. That's the threat. There could be a cliff edge and a real | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
problem. When Theresa May sneezes about hard Brexit, the markets catch | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
a cold, so we will see what the reaction is on Tuesday. What might | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
you have chosen the Sunday express. Yes, made's battleplan. It is living | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
up to the expectations and votes of the British public, who said there | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
was no hard, soft Brexit, just Brexit. These I get so -- these | :08:21. | :08:31. | |
adjectives have been brought about by people who wanted to remain. | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
People wanted control over the law as well. What she is doing is she is | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
delivering as best she can the best deal for the UK. Interestingly, the | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
EU don't recognise the term single market. It's known as the internal | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
market. That in itself says that if we are not an internal part of the | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
system, we won't be part of the single market. We are looking from | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
no tariffs, their best deal for the UK, and to live up to what all those | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
millions of people came out and said we want for the UK. And yet, in | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
terms of what people really voted for, there is an opinion poll that | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
suggests if people think they will be worse off, they don't want to | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
leave. People want everything - to be richer and outside. A lot of it | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
has been recalibrated and blown away. The chief economist for the | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
Bank of England said that we have had the Michael Fish moment. We have | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
seen the FTSE 100 going up, employment going up, the fact that | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
growth was still the best in the G7. The doomsday scenarios are not the | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
case. Yes, there will be an adjustment. Yes, we know that the | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
pound might have to stabilise, or whatever terms seem best. We know | :09:53. | :10:00. | |
there will be a recalibration, but it will be positive for the UK in | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
the end because we are an international country and we have to | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
look to the world. We hope it will be positive, and we have to make it | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
work the best we can. In the same way that you would say to Remainers, | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
accept the result, I think it is acceptable for the other side to | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
understand that people do have anxieties about the prospects for | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
the country. It is not a bad thing to worry. Ayesha, you chose the | :10:26. | :10:38. | |
Observer. Kia Starmer. He wants particular conditions to be met. He | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
wants guarantees given before Article 50 negotiations begin, and | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
certainty for the 2.5 million EU citizens who currently reside in the | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
UK. The Labour Party has also got to get its act together in terms of | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
Brexit and what our position is. Brexit is happening. Immigration is | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
a really important part of the story, and I think we need some | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
clarity from the Labour Party about their position on freedom of | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
movement. Well, thank you for that. We will move onto one of the | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
constituencies which voted 70% to leave EU, Stoke-on-Trent Central, | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
losing its MP, Tristram Hunt. He is leaving to be director of the B and | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
day, a very prestigious job at which he will do well, I'm sure. -- the | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
Victoria and Albert Museum. They face a second difficult by-election | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
in their heartland territories. This has to be a headache for Labour, | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
particularly the Corbynista Labour. There are two by-elections here, two | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
moderate Labour MPs leaving, but as I look at this strategically, on a | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
bigger picture, moderate Labour have never known how they will seize back | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
control of their party as they see it. They tried a leadership bid and | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
it didn't happen. Jeremy Corbyn was voted back with a greater amount. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
What you will see is, one by one, these moderate Labour MPs will say, | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
we might not survive because boundary changes or deselection | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
could have got rid of Tristram Hunt. This is a form of destabilisation. | :12:20. | :12:28. | |
Bit by bit. You could say, on the other hand, that Ukip and the Tories | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
are almost second equal behind Labour. It is an interesting | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
question for the Tory - do they fight hard and help Labour by | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
keeping Ukip down, or do they stand back and let you could try to win? | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
Ukip came second in this seat, anyway. It is interesting in this | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
article that a lot of people there who are Labour voters, strong labour | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
area, did not vote enthusiastically at all for Labour in 2015. Only a | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
49.9% turnout. They said they just didn't want to vote for the Tories. | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
He has been described as the least popular MP in the House of Commons | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
on the basis of the number of people who actually voted for him. I would | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
have Ukip in second place, who would be the main threat here. Paul not | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
all, the leader, I think it would be a good seat for him to go for. That | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
would be a heck of a story if he took it. If I was Paul Nuttall, that | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
is a seat I would be going for, where I would put all my ammunition. | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
That could be a possible winner and a terrible loss for Labour. You said | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
just now that this could happen again and again, and Paul, you have | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
a story in the Sunday Times suggesting the same thing, albeit a | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
bit thin on detail. MPs are ready to free Corbyn. -- to flee Corbyn. | :13:52. | :14:00. | |
There may be a maximum of two you are ready to walk. What is | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
interesting is, Jeremy Corbyn is going to address the Parliamentary | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
Labour Party tomorrow night to start of the New Year, his new message, | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
and it will be interesting to see the mood. A year ago, Monday night | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
was fight night. Labour MPs were always having a pop at Jeremy | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
Corbyn. The mood has changed. And don't forget, Tristram Hunt and | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Jamie Reid, who have both decided to leave Westminster, have left on good | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
terms. They are not having a pop at Jeremy Corbyn. Why? They don't want | :14:35. | :14:44. | |
to be blamed for the poor state of -- poor state of the party in the | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
polls. Ayesha, the other big story of the day - the NHS, absolutely | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
everywhere. Is this a real crisis? We read the stuff week after week, | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
month after month. I think it is a crisis, there is a | :15:00. | :15:08. | |
very powerful picture on the Sunday Mirror of a girl who has been lying | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
on the floor for eight hours. On the inside pages we have Jonathan | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
Ashridge, the Labour health spokesperson saying there is a | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
crisis and the Prime Minister is denying it. The health service is | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
always stretched, no matter how much money you put into it there is | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
always issues, but there are some things we have to look at. We have | :15:30. | :15:37. | |
got a massive problem, we need more funding in the NHS. But the question | :15:38. | :15:39. | |
is how and the Mail on Sunday suggests taking money from the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
foreign aid budget, but there's an interesting poll that the | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
independence carried out suggesting that if... I will let you tell. Luck | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
there is bad news and good news for the Labour Party, Theresa May and | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
Tories will do a better job than Labour with the NHS this winter. | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
More people think Theresa May can handle the winter crisis better than | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
Labour. Given that Labour but all their political chips on this | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
agenda, that is a blow. For to 7% agree with the Red Cross that there | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
is a humanitarian crisis but opposition is about coming up... | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
The majority of people say that if we had an extra tax specifically for | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
the NHS, they would pay more tax to save the NHS. I think different | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
people have said they choose for it to be paid for in different ways but | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
what you have seen is that the budget has gone up from | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
100,000,000,020 ten, now 116, will go up to 129 billion by 2020 so how | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
are we best to pay for this? Is it going to be because people are | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
realistic, they know there's only a certain amount of money in the | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
budget, and is going to now come from foreign because we all believe | :16:55. | :17:12. | |
we have got to see a better service. I will be talking about this with | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
Jeremy Corbyn in the moment. I want to talk about your Trump story | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
before we finish. Trump has gone to war with a man called John Lewis, a | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
very prominent black activist in America who has said I don't think | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
she is fit to be president and has really attacked him. As we look | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
ahead to the inauguration, we are all agog to see it but we mustn't | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
underestimate how worried people are in America about the clock being | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
turned back on things like racial inequality, civil Liberties, human | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
rights, women's rights, so that is something that people are very | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
worried about. I really hope that he doesn't... You know, he is a man | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
with a big ego and a very thin skin and I hope... Interesting report. | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
There is a lot more about Donald Trump in the Spy and the rest of the | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
papers. Well, a little snow on the ground - | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
mere spits and spats in London - proper old-fashioned | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
snow further north. Is there any possibility that we're | :18:12. | :18:12. | |
going to see the really serious weather that has | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
plagued the continent? No is the long and short of it, it | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
will be mild across the country and we've been using a lot of | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
alliteration to describe the weather, dull, damp and drizzly, and | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
this picture is fairly indicative of what's going on across the country. | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
Outbreaks of showery rain, and even when that's clears away it will stay | :18:40. | :18:48. | |
dull and drizzly for many. Double digit out to the west but it stays | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
cold in east Anglia, and that could lead to some frost and patchy fog | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
here through the night, but we do it all again elsewhere. More cloud, | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
another weather front bringing in some more rain. That will continue | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
to drift steadily eastwards. The temperature is not falling far at | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
all in the west, 7 degrees is the minimum, still chilly in East Anglia | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
and bad weather front sits through the spine of the country tomorrow | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
with outbreaks of drizzly rain. Sandwiched either side, some | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
brighter weather, wet weather into the extreme north-west. But look at | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
the temperatures again, so the weather again, unlike your | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
programme, Andrew, is looking a bit dreary. | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
That's very kind of you and I see Northern Ireland is relatively | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
bright and dried, which is lovely because there is another crisis | :19:43. | :19:43. | |
there. The Northern Ireland Assembly | :19:44. | :19:44. | |
is on the edge of collapse after the resignation last week | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
of the Deputy First Minister, Time is running out before | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
the Northern Ireland Secretary, James Brokenshire, must call | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
an emergency snap election, but that means Northern Ireland | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
might lose its voice during the crucial Brexit period, | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
and that might even be illegal. Let's go through this, one by one. | :19:57. | :20:07. | |
You have a legal obligation if the Sinn Fein people don't put up a new | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
Deputy First Minister, you call an election, don't you? That's right, | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
last week Martin McGuinness resigned as Deputy First Minister and that | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
means if the replacement is not put in place by five o'clock tomorrow | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
evening, it is incumbent upon me as Secretary of State to call an | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
election within a reasonable period of time. What we are seeking to do | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
is work with the parties to see if we can bring them together to avoid | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
that from taking place. At the moment there is no indication | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
another replacement will be offered. You are going over there, you have | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
until five o'clock tomorrow, do you wait until then to call an election? | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
Sinn Fein have indicated they are not intending to put a replacement | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
forward. We've been discussing, and I've had extensive discussions with | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
all of the parties over the last few days, and going straight back to | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
Belfast after this programme to continue those discussions. But the | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
clear indications, the increasing likelihood is that we are moving | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
towards an election. Obviously I will be considering the position at | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
that point in time. My statutory responsibility is to call an | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
election but that means there has to be an election campaign of 25 | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
working days for the campaign itself. So unless you delay it for a | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
very long time, this will carry on right the way through the period | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
when we were supposed to be discussing Brexit and that means | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
there will be no Northern Ireland voice in those discussions, which | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
according to the court case in London might even be illegal. It's | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
important to understand there's already been discussions with the | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
Northern Ireland executive, we have a joint ministerial committee. The | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
work I've been doing, reaching out to communities and business in | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
Northern Ireland, but we still have ministers in place as well. No First | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
Minister, no Deputy First Minister, it is very hard for Northern Ireland | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
to give its voice properly and this is the crucial point of the Brexit | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
period coming up. This is when they need to be engaged. I think they | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
have been engaged and we will continue to invite the executive. | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
Ministers stay in place and we have structures that ensure people are | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
invited so that will continue, and indeed the work I do as Secretary of | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
State in talking to all of the different players and partners in | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
Northern Ireland, getting their feedback. That has given us already | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
a good indication as to the issues that really matter and how we are | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
determined to get the best possible outcome. Theresa May made it very | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
clear that Northern Ireland, like Scotland, must be engaged in these | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
negotiations at the critical period. If Northern Ireland is in the middle | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
of a general election throughout that period, they cannot be properly | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
engaged, can they? We have had that engagement and we will continue to | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
take those steps. We are not delaying the timetable, we remain | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
committed to triggering Article 50 by no later than the end of March | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
and nothing changes that. We will continue to work, and my engagement | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
is about bringing people together, bringing the parties together to | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
ensure there is in that sense of division appearing. This is a | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
complex crisis but if after the election there is no resolution, the | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
parties still can't work together, what happens next? I'm not thinking | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
about that. My absolute focus is on how we bring the parties together. | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
You are right, there is a relatively short period of time after the | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
election, it is about three weeks but we have to soon as it -- to seek | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
an executive being formed. The simple alternative would be to call | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
another election but I'm focused on maintaining the institutions. This | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
is really significant, it is important we are working together to | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
see people are focused on the great opportunities for Northern Ireland, | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
the real benefit icy day in and day out and how we need to make sure | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
there is good communication that continues. But as I say, the reality | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
is that we are moving towards an election, and how we continue to see | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
people are focused and make sure communication is maintained. If that | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
election produces another failed results, is there any possibility | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
the British government would look towards a joint authority with the | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
Irish government over Northern Ireland? To be absolutely straight, | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
I'm not contemplating alternatives to devolved government in Northern | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
Ireland. Really? Given that it might happen very soon? My responsibility | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
is to see that we are working with each of the parties, that we're not | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
looking at greater division. My concern is that an election campaign | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
will be divisive and lead to greater distance between the parties at the | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
end that. It is that work therefore that I'm doing and will continue to | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
do. I would really encourage the parties themselves to think about | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
these big issues on how they conduct that campaign and how we are able to | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
build things back together once it is concluded. We have been talking | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
about what kind of country we will be after Brexit this morning and | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
Northern Ireland is very much part of that country. There's been a | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
suggestion from Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, that if we are forced | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
out of access from the European markets we could slash corporation | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
tax and become very different kind of economy, is that something you | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
recognise? In Northern Ireland we have said we would like to see the | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
devolution of corporation tax, and the executive has indicated it would | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
like to see a marrying of corporation tax rates across | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
Northern island of 12.5%. We have contemplated how you devolve | :25:51. | :25:52. | |
corporation tax and benefits, but I wouldn't want to speculate more | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
broadly. We could be a more free trading, lower corporation tax | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
economy. The Prime Minister has always been clear that she wants the | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
UK to be an open, outward looking trading nation. That is that | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
positive view that we have for the UK moving forward and how best to | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
achieve that, and obviously ensuring UK companies continue to have the | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
best access to the ability to trade and operate within the European | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
Union. But when you read this morning that the UK will be outside | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
the single market and outside the customs union, you are not surprised | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
by that, are you? I'm not going to speculate about what the Prime | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
Minister will say on Tuesday. But what she has been clear about is | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
that we are leaving the European Union. That is how we then negotiate | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
and look at our future. It is that open approach, that global Britain | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
message she will be giving on Tuesday as to how we set that | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
forward. How can we possibly stay inside the single market and control | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
migration? We can't. I don't see this as a binary choice. We have a | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
very clear approach in seeking to achieve that open approach for | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
business but also that very stark message that I do take, that the | :27:09. | :27:17. | |
Government takes from the EU referendum that free movement as it | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
exists today cannot continue into the future. If that is the case, we | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
cannot be inside the single market. I don't accept there is this binary | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
choice, this presentation of different alternatives. Equally this | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
language of hard and soft Brexit that I don't recognise. We are going | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
into the negotiations to get the best possible deal and set out the | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
future for our country in a positive way between friends, allies and | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
neighbours. In your view we could stay inside the single market? It is | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
not about staying inside, and how we are leaving the European Union and | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
therefore how you negotiate that new relationship, that new approach. We | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
are in it or outside it so it is a binary choice. There are so many | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
different aspects to this. There are different parts, and we are | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
analysing very closely and carefully. The Prime Minister will | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
be setting out more of the detail, more ambitions, more of what we seek | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
is the future of our country outside the European Union but we are still | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
being part of Europe. The security arrangements we have in place that | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
we want to see continuing into the future, that matter so much for our | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
European partners as much as for ourselves. I don't see it in these | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
stark terms and we should approach the negotiation with confidence and | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
optimism. James Brokenshire, thank you for talking to us. | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
And for news of what's coming up straight after this programme, | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
Join us from Brunel University of London at ten, when we'll be | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
asking just one big question: Is digital media | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
We've gathered together stars of old media and new, writers, | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
online warriors, think tank heavyweights, | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
learned academics, political activists, | :28:59. | :28:59. | |
and an essential fact checker, to spat and spar with each other. | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
Now, if there's one political phrase that worked its way | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
into our heads last year, it's post-truth politics. | :29:10. | :29:11. | |
What do you do, how do you act when big lies are gaining currency? | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
That's at the heart of a new film, Denial, about the renegade British | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
historian David Irving, accused of denying | :29:19. | :29:19. | |
It stars Rachel Weisz as a crusading American academic | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
In the past few years he's played several larger-than-life figures, | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
from Mike Leigh's "Mr Turner", to Winston Churchill, | :29:30. | :29:31. | |
I'm delighted to say that Timothy Spall is here | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
as himself this morning, but before we talk, here's | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
a clip from "Denial", with David Irving in full flood. | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
let me reveal something to you, Professor. | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
I am that David Irving about whom you have been so rude. | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Yes, yes, I am he, and it puzzles me that you think yourself | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
qualified to attack me, given that I have 30 years | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
The reason you don't engage with people you disagree | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
Facts, Miss Lipstadt, which don't suit your opinions. | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
Facts. Welcome. This is a film about a trial, and we know the result, | :30:15. | :30:30. | |
which is that David Irving was destroyed, but nonetheless, if he | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
hadn't been, what would have happened? What was at stake, do you | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
think? It seems to me that the whole facts about the Holocaust and the | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
extent of the extermination, this terrible human tragedy, would have | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
been called into question. People would have been going around now | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
saying, it didn't really happen? I suppose that would be a danger. It | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
is very difficult to say what would be the consequences of that. So, | :31:02. | :31:14. | |
yes, I mean, he took the case and it was found against him. The | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
understanding of what happened stands. Is it strange to play | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
someone who is still alive and has watched the film - there was an | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
interview with him in the papers today - someone who denies Hitler | :31:29. | :31:38. | |
run the Holocaust. Is it strange playing someone like that, knowing | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
he is watching? The challenge wasn't lost on me, to say the least. And I | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
did think about it long and hard. Whether you are playing a hero or a | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
villain, or a mixture of both, as an actor, you have a real duty to play | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
that person from that person's point of view. Get inside them as much as | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
possible. Absolutely, and to empathise rather than sympathise. | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
The character is isolated in the movie, and isolated in his views, | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
which does have its effects. Watching it, you don't look very | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
much like David Irving. How much is it the voice? You have an | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
extraordinarily resonant voice with Irving, which is unlike anyone | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
else's. The same with Ian Paisley. How much is getting the voice | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
essential to getting the character? When you look at the physical | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
attributes, and the sound, you look at that for a template. People | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
behave and they are the product of how they are inside, so you look at | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
the carapace and what the human being is, and sort out where that | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
has come from psychologically. We were just talking about Northern | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
Ireland, and we must see you playing Eason Paisley. The clip we will show | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
ways you trying to persuade a guy in a petrol station to give you money | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
from a credit card. You have the power to overrule that | :33:06. | :33:06. | |
machine and process his payment. I'm afraid I can't | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
fight authorisation. I'm afraid I can't | :33:10. | :33:17. | |
without authorisation. Jesus went into the temple of God | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
and cast out them that sold He overthrew the tables of the money | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
changers and the seats of them who sold doves and said unto them, | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
"My house shall be called the house of prayer, yet ye have made | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
it a den of thieves!" Great teeth! That was a film about | :33:30. | :33:46. | |
the friendship between him and Martin McGuinness. Of all the | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
characters you have been playing recently, you got the biggest | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
applause for Turner. When you see a script, do you look at it and say, | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
this is a big character, I can get myself inside this? How do you | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
approach what you turn down on what you pick up? With Turner, the | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
character was produced in the making of the film. That is how Mike Leigh | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
works. It took two all three years to put together. When you look at | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
the Scripps, you ask the question, is this a human being? Does it have | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
the possibility to be explored in all of its many facets? Is he a true | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
example of how people really behave? And if he is challenging, how can I | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
bring as much humanity underneath that as to whether he is a villain | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
or a hero? I said at the beginning that this was partly about | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
post-truth politics - to what extent do you think this film is a morality | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
tale? We all read stuff on the internet and think, that's not true. | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
Is the message of this story, when something is not true, we all have a | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
moral obligation to stand up and say so and take on people who deny the | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
reality is? I don't fully understand what post-truth means, but what I do | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
know is that in a world that has never had more information than we | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
can get now, it is so much more difficult to get into the facts. | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
Information and facts are different things. Sometimes, when you have | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
something that is a subject that needs to be, that relies on facts, | :35:15. | :35:22. | |
sometimes the old structures, like the law, and in this film, it looks | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
slightly Dickensian, I think in a modern world, it appears that the | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
old establishment ways of seeking the truth might be the way to go. | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
Gets an interesting message. It's a great film. Thank you, Tim Spall, | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
for coming in to speak to us. Denial opens on the 27th of January. | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
Coming up later this morning: the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil. | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
He'll be speaking to the Lib Dem leader Tim Farron about Brexit, | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
Max Mosley, campaigner for press regulation, and the TV presenter | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
Jeremy Corbyn sounded just a bit like Donald Trump | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
in his speech this weekend - the system is rigged and stitched up | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
against the majority and there needs to be a political uprising | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
But his profile in the media could not be worse, | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
and his party's polling is, frankly, dire. | :36:13. | :36:13. | |
Now, with Theresa May seemingly about to confirm that we will leave | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
the European single market, there's no shortage | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
Can I start with that one? Yellow mat good morning. How are you? Very | :36:19. | :36:31. | |
well, thank you. Theresa May will say that we should leave the single | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
market and the customs union - what is your reaction as Leader of the | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
Opposition? She seems to be heading in the direction of a bargain | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
basement economy on the shores of Europe, with low corporate taxation, | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
where we will lose access to half our export markets. It seems an | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
extremely risky strategy and I think there needs to be more discussion, | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
consultation, and recognise that there is a close economic | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
cooperation with Europe that will have to continue when we are outside | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
the EU. And you have read this morning that Philip Hammond has | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
suggested or implied that if we don't get access to those markets, | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
we could cut corporation tax in this country quite dramatically and be a | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
low tax alternative to the EU. It seems to be a threat, saying, if you | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
don't give us what we want, we will become this strange entity on the | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
shores of Europe with low levels of corporate taxation, designed to | :37:28. | :37:35. | |
undermine the effect of the EU. It seems a recipe for a trade war with | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
Europe, which isn't a sensible way forward. So, trade war, a risky | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
option, and at bargain basement economy. This is all triggered by | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
Article 50, which Labour will vote for. The referendum voted to leave | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
the EU. That, Parliament has to live with and work around, so we won't | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
plot Article 50, but we will make the point very clearly in the run-up | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
to the vote about the question of access to European markets, and of | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
course, there will have to be cooperation on things like | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
environmental regulation, consumer rights, all those operations with -- | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
all those issues where we have to cooperate. You know now that she's | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
heading for a version of Brexit that is disastrous... It has been | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
trialled this morning about a speech she is yet to give. So you don't | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
believe it? I'm not saying that, but sometimes the media frenzy can get | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
slightly ahead of the facts. We will find out in the middle of the week. | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
If that is the case, that taking us to a version of Brexit that you | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
think is disastrous, why are you saying, there is the cliff edge, | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
let's march towards it? We're not saying that. Parliament voted to | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
have a referendum, a decision was made, and we have to work around | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
that. The question is how the negotiations are conducted and what | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
the destination is. That is why I have reached out to colleagues | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
across Europe, and we're having a large conference of Socialist | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
parties across Europe in order to build alliances. Remember, the | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
Brexit vote is not one-off thing. It has to be agreed by 27 parliaments, | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
agreed by the European Parliament. There is a long way to go. You think | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
European countries could block the version of Brexit Theresa May wants? | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
I think many European countries would want to maintain links between | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
universities in their country and Britain, maintain that trade | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
relationship. An awful lot of industries - think of the big names | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
in Britain, Rolls-Royce, Airbus and so on - and they rely on a British | :39:43. | :39:50. | |
cooperation. Is there anyway at all after Article 50 triggered that you | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
think you can get your version of Brexit through the House of Commons? | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
It will have to keep coming back to the House of Commons, and we will | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
make sure it does. I know there is a court case is going on at the | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
moment. We will keep pressing the Government on this. And there are | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
MPs in all parties who must be concerned about the future of | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
industries in the constituencies, about future trade relationships we | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
will have, and also, what kind of trade arrangements we will have with | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
the rest of the world in the future. If we are part of the customs union, | :40:21. | :40:31. | |
then trade is done via that. If we are not, we have to start making our | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
own trade arrangements, which will be the first time Britain has done | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
that in 40 years. Forgive the cliche, but is there a majority in | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
the House of Commons, if Labour wants with other parties, for soft | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
Brexit? The majority of people in the House of Commons are very | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
concerned about the implications of our Brexit that leads us into the | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
Philip Hammond area of bargain basement on the shores of Europe | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
economy. There are people who are worried, on the points I've made, | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
about universities and education, and about the practicalities of it | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
all. Clearly, air pollution is an issue, so was management of this | :41:05. | :41:13. | |
cease and fishing -- of our seas. It sounds unlikely, but you made a | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
speech this week which has a whiff of Donald Trump about it, I whiff of | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
politician and politics are rigged against the ordinary Joe. Is it the | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
hair? It needs to change. I have got my own. A quote: The people who run | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
Britain had been taking the people for a ride and have stitched up our | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
political system to protect the power. It is a big charge - what do | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
you mean by it? The wealthy in this country out sure and outsource their | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
profits into tax havens. We have been privatising services for a very | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
long time. We have a growing gap between the richest and poorest, and | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
we have a political system that leaves an awful lot of people | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
behind. That, surely, was one of the messages in the EU referendum | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
campaign, and in some areas, in the low participation in elections. You | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
said the political system itself is rigged or stitched up - what is it | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
about the system that is stitched up? We have a House of Lords that is | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
dominated by a small number of people from London and the | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
south-east. Would you get rid of it? I want unelected second chamber that | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
is representative of all nations and regions in the United Kingdom. It is | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
very important. It should have an electoral mandate. Abolition of the | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
House of Lords and its replacement by our elected -- by an elected | :42:48. | :42:55. | |
second chamber? Yes. It is not a new idea. It has been debated for a long | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
time. It is not in a manifesto of yours. I would like to get there by | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
2020. An interesting speech was made on Friday about the need for more | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
political representation of the north of England. Absolutely. We | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
will continue these discussions in Scotland on Friday. We are setting | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
up a constitutional convention so that whenever the general election | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
is, there will be some degree of consensus about the kind of | :43:24. | :43:30. | |
constitutional structures we are looking for. On that, if I might. A | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
constitutional convention in Scotland led to the Scottish | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
assembly, which led to the Scottish parliament. Would you like to see | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
the same process in the North of England? Should there be a North of | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
England Parliament? I think there is an appetite for a stronger form of | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
regional Government in Britain, an electoral mandate to do that, but | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
also the levels of investment have got to be shared out fairly across | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
the country, and they are not. ?1900 per year is spent in the south-east | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
of inward per year, ?300 in the north-east. That's not fair. The | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
North is not getting a fair deal, and it might need a Parliament that | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
the result? It could be stronger local Government, but there has to | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
be much greater emphasis on the disparity between regions in | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
Britain, the disparity between investment. There also has to be an | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
issue, surely, about the gap between the richest and poorest and the | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
amount of money that disappears into tax havens. Do you think you get a | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
fair ride in the media, and is media ownership and issue? I don't think | :44:35. | :44:35. | |
the media are fair, in many ways, | :44:36. | :44:53. | |
particularly towards the Labour Party. An analysis done over the | :44:54. | :44:55. | |
first year since the general election showed that over 80% of the | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
print media was actively hostile to the Labour Party. | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
We need to remove the levels of concentration of ownership in | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
certain organisations. You would attack the Rupert Murdoch group... | :45:12. | :45:24. | |
Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky completely for example is a problem. | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
We would also explore the role of the BBC is an organisation that is | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
supposed to educate, entertain and inform. We have been talking about | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
the NHS and the crisis, and you say in terms of the Labour Party would | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
find a long-term funding solution for the NHS, but that means nothing | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
unless you tell us what it is and we have seen a poll in today's's papers | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
saying that if people were told the specific hypothecated tax would go | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
to the NHS, the majority would support that. Would you go down that | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
route? I'm not generally in favour of hypothecated tax but obviously | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
the party would consider and look at it. The reality is over the next | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
four years there's going to be ?70 billion less than could be achieved | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
because of cuts in corporate taxation and cuts in the top rate of | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
taxation. Is that the kind figure the NHS needs over the next four | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
years? The crisis in A departments is the symptom, not the cause of the | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
crisis. I spent Friday afternoon talking to a group of GPs and what | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
they go through. A ten minute appointment with a GP actually ends | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
up with half an hour to an hour's work for GB doing other things as a | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
result. It is too simple to attack GPs and very unfair. How much more | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
does the NHS needs and how would you pay for it? We would stop the cuts | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
that have taken place but above all we would put more money into social | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
care, which needs several billion pounds more very quickly. ?2 billion | :47:09. | :47:15. | |
as a figure being put by a number of people. The rise in council tax to | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
pay for social care only raises 400 million, rather less than that, so | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
you have to raise it by ending the corporate tax cuts. This is a really | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
important moment in the history of the NHS. As long as I remember | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
governments have been saying we have given the NHS enough money and | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
oppositions have been saying no you haven't, but this is a moment when | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
we have to think about the future of the NHS. We have said long-term | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
funding solution, can I put it to you that it can be, should be, and | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
under you would be a specific tax paid for by everybody to put the NHS | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
into a good place and keep it there? We would guarantee the funding. | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
Whether we would have a specific tax, I doubt, but I would be | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
prepared to discuss it. If you go down the road of hypothecated | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
taxation, then you do it for every other service. That's an issue, but | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
I would just say this, Labour founded the NHS and it's a point of | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
principle in our society. It is a human rights get health care at the | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
point of need. We have a lack of social care, and underfunding of the | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
mental health service is putting a strain on A departments. The Prime | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
Minister blames the GPs for this. Let's look at the overall issue of | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
the lack of funding of the needs of often very vulnerable people. I | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
thought you had already allocated the corporation tax money for | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
education, you cannot allocate it twice. I gave you the figure, ?70 | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
billion that will be reduced from public income over the next four | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
years because of the long-term effects of the cuts in corporation | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
tax and profits tax. Why is it that when they are asked, do you trust | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party or Theresa May and the Tories to | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
deal with the NHS crisis, more people back Theresa May and the | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
Tories? That's disastrous for you. The more that people see the reality | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
of the underfunding, the privatising of services, the outsourcing of NHS | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
facilities, the more and more disappointed and angry they will get | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
and they will understand the case we are making. We need to say | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
centrestage, the NHS is about our mindset, our security, we are not | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
frightened of getting ill in this country because we cannot afford to | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
pay for it. In the USA, the first question you ask someone who is ill | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
is what kind of health care insurance have you got? You have a | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
bye election coming up in Stoke-on-Trent Central, that was a | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
core Labour constituency. It was also a constituency which voted 70% | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
to leave the EU, heavily on the immigration issue, and your policy | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
on immigration is something that most people simply don't understand. | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
You have said both that you are in favour of managed controlling | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
immigration and also that you don't rule out changing it, it is very | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
unclear what you really think. Do you think immigration in this | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
country should come down? I want the end of exploitation of people, the | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
undercutting and destruction of working conditions by the bringing | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
in wholesale of workforces to destroy existing conditions, and | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
also I would suggest that we think seriously about the contribution | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
that migrant workers have made to this country in the NHS, in | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
transport and education. And at this very moment the NHS is recruiting | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
doctors all over Europe to try to fill the gap caused by the age | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
profile of our existing GPs. Yes, we do need migrant workers in this | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
country. Even if you put to one side the gang masters and recruitment | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
going on in Poland, 82,000 from the EU came to this country without a | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
job on their own last year to look for work because they thought they | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
would have a better life. Is that too many? Would you like to see | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
fewer such people? It will be part of the negotiations of access to | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
Europe, if we have access to the single market there will be an issue | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
surrounding that. I have been talking about ending the grotesque | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
exploitation and the undercutting that goes on. Let's look at the | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
issue of the flow of people in the context of access to the free | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
market, but let's not blame migrants for the problems we have. Let's look | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
instead at an economic system that has created these levels of | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
inequality and injustice. So you seem to be saying both that you are | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
in favour of some kind of control but also that you are against. Let | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
me remind you what you said about this because it's an awful lot of | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
words involved. You said, "Labour is not weighted to free movement of EU | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
citizens as a point of principle but I don't want to be misinterpreted | :52:08. | :52:15. | |
nor do we rule it out." What we are going to be doing is negotiating | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
trade arrangement with to make sure that we are able to access those | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
markets. It will involve people from Europe working here just as much as | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
there are 2 million British people living and working in the European | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
Union. Are we going to cut ourselves off from the European Union | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
completely? I don't think so. When we talk about this you always talk | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
about exploitation and economics but for an awful lot of people this is a | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
matter of identity and culture. Do you accept that or do you think it | :52:49. | :52:57. | |
is a form of racism? No, I think identity is an important thing. When | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
they say communities are changing too fast, you don't get it? It is | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
also a question of inclusion in that process so the Government for | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
example cutting English-language classes is part of a problem. The | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
lack of local authority funding leads to a blame culture which is | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
unbelievably unfair on people. Let's instead look at the issues of how we | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
develop our community as a society and look at the huge contribution | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
made to our health service, education and local government by | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
those who have come and live here, just like British people in France, | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
Spain and Germany making a contribution there. "I Would like | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
there to be some kind of high earnings cap quite honestly, lower | :53:42. | :53:51. | |
-- quite honestly", do you believe that? I believe in the ratio concept | :53:52. | :54:00. | |
we are putting forward. 20-1 is one being put forward. So nobody in the | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
company earns more than 20 times... So the chief executive would be tied | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
to the wage level of the lowest paid in the company. John Lewis | :54:11. | :54:16. | |
partnership operate this. We would use its first fall in the public | :54:17. | :54:18. | |
sector where it broadly applies at the moment but we would also use it | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
as part of the procurement power of central government those companies | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
that wish to do business with central government and wish to | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
benefit from big levels of capital investment in projects all over the | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
country. Make it a fairer Britain. It wouldn't apply to most private | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
companies, the banks or engineering companies. I would like it too, | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
that's why I've put the idea out there. It is a very popular idea, I | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
was looking at an opinion poll this morning, not that I want to comment | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
on opinion polls but I understand it is a popular idea and the word on | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
the street I've heard is that people want to think about it and discuss | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
it. We've had some interesting responses already, both from | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
businesses, unions and individuals. To be clear, this wouldn't apply to | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
people like footballers, pop stars... Footballers are not CEOs of | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
their companies usually, but also, whilst they are paid ludicrous sums | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
of money which I suppose we all pay for through our tickets, in reality | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
they are employed for quite a short time with those clubs. Yes, you will | :55:28. | :55:40. | |
be contributing to Mesut Ozil's ?15 million a year. Would you like to | :55:41. | :55:53. | |
comment? Thanks coming are fantastic player, but can you live with what | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
you got at the moment? His lovely player and it's a fantastic club. | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
You have been clear in the past that you are against nuclear power and | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
you want to see nuclear power stations decommissioned, is that | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
your message to the voters of Copland? My message is the NHS is in | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
crisis, your hospital is going to continue underfunded and | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
understaffed and your A department is at risk. We will be protecting | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
jobs in that area and we would also be trying to protect the pensions of | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
those people that have worked so hard for so long to keep the nuclear | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
industry safe. Are you against nuclear power? I want to see a | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
mixture, a greater emphasis in the long term on renewables in the way | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
Germany and other countries have done but we do have nuclear power | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
stations, we have a nuclear base at the moment and that will continue | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
for a long time. I say no to nuclear power, let's decommission the | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
nuclear power stations, does Jeremy Corbyn still agree with himself? We | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
have a mixture at the moment, nuclear power stations lost a very | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
long time. Sellafield will be there for a long time as a reprocessing | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
plant anyway, whatever happens. There's a big new development at | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
Moorfield. That's being considered. Would you be happy for it to go | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
ahead? I want an energy mix in this country, we have to make sure there | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
is enough supplies and an energy platform so Moorfield is key to | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
ensuring that happens but we have to have a much better energy mix, | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
otherwise what we do? Go to coal-fired power stations or end up | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
with energy shortages. The party is way behind in the opinion polls, you | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
are behind in the opinion polls, you a series of by-elections in court | :57:46. | :57:54. | |
Labour seat. If you don't win Copland and Stoke-on-Trent Central, | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
you are toast, aren't you? No, our party will fight very hard. But | :58:00. | :58:06. | |
things are not getting any better. You are making the assumption that | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
everything is a problem, it's an opportunity, it's an opportunity to | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
challenge the Government on the NHS and challenge them on the chaos of | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
Brexit, an opportunity to challenge them on the housing shortage and | :58:18. | :58:23. | |
zero hours contracts. Is there ever a moment you look in the mirror and | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
think, I've done my best but this might not be for me. I think let's | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
go out there and try to create a society where there are | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
opportunities for everyone, where there is and homelessness, where | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
there are houses for everyone and young people are not frightened of | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
going to university because of the debts they will end up with at the | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
end of their course. And I'm the man to do it. Jeremy Corbyn, thank you | :58:49. | :58:49. | |
very much indeed. Next week, I'll be joined | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
by the Liberal Democrat And the wonderful opera | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
singer Joyce DiDonato. | :58:57. | :59:00. |