23/04/2017 The Andrew Marr Show

Jeremy Corbyn was the rank outsider when he stood as Labour leader.

He smashed all expectations, he survived a coup

and he was massively re-endorsed by his own party shortly afterwards.

Roundly mocked by the media establishment,

it's worth remembering that no proper socialist

has ever been as close to Number 10 as Mr Corbyn is this morning.

So for the moment, forget the polls, let's have no foregone conclusions.

Today, Jeremy Corbyn tells us what kind of Prime Minister he would be.

Another party leader, Paul Nutall, joins me to explain why he'll go

into this election promising to ban the burka.

And I'll be talking to Leanne Wood, Plaid Cymru's leader as well.

And I've been chewing the fat with one of the surviving legends

of the great age of British rock - Sir Ray Davies of The Kinks.

# Riding high on inspiration # Taken from those Wild West here

rows # Full of expectations of the road.

# And reviewing the papers today

as a nail-biting election kicks off across the channel,

Benedicte Paviot of France 24. And two old hands -

Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror and Sarah Sands the outgoing editor

of the Evening Standard. All of that and more

coming up in a while. Labour has announced a plan

to introduce four new bank holidays across the UK if the party wins

the general election. Our Political Correspondent

Ben Wright reports. Working hard

to get your vote. But Jeremy Corbyn thinks Britain's

workers deserve a break and says if he will try and introduce four

new UK-wide bank holidays. Bank holidays are a devolved matter

in Scotland but Mr Corbyn says he would introduce four more in England

on St George's Day, St David's Day, St Patrick's Day and St Andrew's

day. He will also suggest to the devolved

administrations they also have Labour claims the move would help

bring the four nations of the UK together as well as giving people

more time off. The party said there was no

definitive estimate of the economic A Conservative source said the

British economy would be on a permanent holiday if Jeremy Corbyn

got near Downing Street. Ukip says its manifesto will include

a pledge to ban the full-face veils The party leader, Paul Nuttall

will launch what he calls an "integration agenda",

saying the burka and niqab are a barrier to social harmony

and a security risk. And you can see interviews

with Paul Nuttall and the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

later in this programme. Polling has begun in France

in the presidential election 50,000 police and

7,000 soldiers have been deployed to prevent a repeat

of the recent terror attacks. with the race considered

too close to call. The two winning candidates will go

through to a run-off next month. are expected to take part

in today's London marathon. More than 40,000 have

registered for the event, And coverage of the marathon

will immediately follow this programme on BBC One,

with the main race starting at 10am. The next news on BBC One

is at 3.00pm. Many papers are tell us they already

know the results of elections. We've many contrasting front pages. In the

Sunday express, 1 in 7 Labour voters. The Mail on Sunday says the

Tory lead has been slashed in half after their U-turn on pensions and

other policies as well. Then, the Sunday Telegraph has Patrick

McLoughlin, the Tory chairman attacking Corbyn as a terror risk to

the UK. The Sunday Times has Theresa May parking her tanks on Labour's

lawn. And then finally, the Observer, the Observer are bigging

up Tim Farron and the Liberal Democrats. I wonder whether as a big

remain or anti-Brexit paper, they'll go with the Liberal Democrats rather

than the Labour Party this time? We'll see. Brilliant paper reviewers

in front of us. We'll start with Sarah, a big spread in the Sunday

Times. The long reads you turn to on a Sunday morning. You do. The papers

are full of marathon headlines. This one is the lady is going for gold.

Here's a nice balanced cartoon of Theresa May. Striding ahead. Jeremy

Corbyn. This is Tim Shipman good on the inside track. He's very

interesting on Theresa May's extraordinary control of her own

Cabinet, most of whom had no idea she was going to call this election.

Some of whom may be on a sticky wicket if she wins, we read as well?

Absolutely. Just to show the relationship between her and her

Cabinet, reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher who referred to her Cabinet

as the vegetables. Tory MPs have taken to referring to their female

boss as mummy! Slightly unsettling making this kind of... A smack of

firm Government. I have a personal interest in this that it is said one

thing she's doing is trying to fell her former foes. George Osborne, my

successor as editor of the London Evening Standard, when one

journalist suggested 5% of the decision was wanting to watch

Osborne make a tough decision about giving up his seat, they said you

think only 5%. Were you surprised as the sitting editor. He contacted you

too late for the first edition? It was fine! Let's keep moving. Kevin,

you have the front pages of the Sunday Times. Theresa May trying to

pick policies which she thinks will appeal to Labour voters? Absolutely.

One is energy bills capping. The Conservative Government, it was a

Labour idea upped he had Mel band thought it was a terrible

interference. It was socialism when it was a Labour idea? I dare say the

Sunday Times were against him. They seem in favour. Capping increases,

variable tariffs regionally. I would like to see how this would work.

They've come out of this, it is in the supped times. She had a sticky

couple of days over tax with the Chancellor, Philip Hammond

suggesting they were going to drop the David Cameron driple lock. He

very much wants the freedom to be able to raise taxes if it is right

to do it economically? That's income tax, VAT and insurance. Elections

are unpredictable. A long way to go here. We don't know what will

happen. They are coming up with a consumer offer. She says, we are the

low tax party ignoring the fact the tax take is at a 30-year high. She's

come up with something. Will it work. Nigel Nelson has an interview

with Jeremy Corbyn in the Sunday Mirror. What's the top line? He

does. Jeremy Corbyn comes across as very wet. In it to win it. He

doesn't like to talk about himself as a Prime Minister. Here he says

he's up for it. Any increases in taxes will be on the very Richest

which he seems to think not just those over ?70,000-80,000. He's

looking at corporations and the very rich. He's up for the fight which he

hasn't always appeared. He needs to be, if you look at the polls. We

shouldn't be obsessed by polls but they are a guide. In the Sunday

mishor, they have the Conservatives on 50%. The highest since 1991. The

highest of any party since Tony Blair in 2002. Labour on 25%. If

this election race was in an athletics stadium, Theresa May would

have lapped Jeremy Corbyn at the moment. Six or seven weeks of hard

campaigning, anything can happen. Benedicte. We'll talk about your

elections at home in a moment. Cabinet Ministers who may be a

little bit worried if Theresa May gets a big majority? That's right.

It seems she may go on a chopping spree according to the sun. Heads

are set to roll. If she wins big, more big beasts could go, including,

apparently, the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson. If she gets that

landslide victory which she is gunning for, there are all kinds of

people like Andrea Leadsom who could have been the Prime Minister if that

race went' had. Liz Truss. Various people. Perhaps even Liam Fox.

People they've been prepared to put out on to sofas and chairs like this

over the last year to speak for the Government but clearly haven't per

formed well enough. Interesting, Sarah, the one thing we don't really

know yet, is what kind of Prime Minister Theresa May would be if she

was able to unbound and herself and her own mistress, as it were. We

don't know what she'd really do over Brexit and domestic policy. She has

remained incriedable. It is an act of faith. Trust me, Teresa. The Mail

on Sunday, normally, there's a convention in elections you wait a

little bit. Say we hope they'll perform, see what their vision is.

The Mail on Sunday is cutting that out and straight for, vote for

Theresa May. Kevin suggested it was to beat the Daily Mail on this.

Great rivalries between the editors. They could be spinning. Let's lessen

the expectation but while gunning for a landslide? Yes, these ones

have no doubt at all. The Mail on Sunday says vote Theresa May. The

cartoons are very telling. We've had her winning the marathon. Here we

have had as St George. It goes on. Before we take a deep breath and

swim our way across the channel, one other aspect of this election is the

Liberal Democrats. A suggestion there will be a grand pact for the

Liberal Democrats and others to stand down against each other, an

anti-Brexit pact. I'm highly sceptical about this. I guess the

Liberal Democrats have been burnt before about coalitions. It seems an

interesting mathematical coalition if you went for the pro-European you

could get the numbers. It is interesting Tim Farron is saying no.

What do you think? It is impossible to organise at this late stage. It

is where you put your resources into seats. Do you Labour really

challenge Liberal Democrat seats and the other way around. The south-west

will be a big thing. The role of Brexit in this will be very

interesting. It is a really tough job not just for reed leaders of

campaigns but pollsters. How much is that really possible to predict? It

is impossible to predict what will happen. The French elections are in

two stages. You've round one, a lot of candidates. It is whittled down

to two finalists in the second round. You vote for who you want to

win in the first round and you vote against who you're most frightened

of in the second round? The there are four people who may make it to

the second round? We have 11 presidential candidates. Four very

surprisingly seem to be in with a chance of making it through to the

second round. So, not completely unexpected according to the polls to

have Mc-Macron, former finance minister. We call him the Blairite.

An Anglo--centric way of looking at him. Only 39 years old. It might not

register that loudly in this country. But by French standards it

is astonishing. He is campaigning as a centrist. He is not from the right

or left. We've Marine Le Pen. We think that's most likely to be the

two contenders. The National Front. And you've Fillion. Who do you think

will get through? Sorry to do that! Fair enough. OK. I think we may be

in for a Macron v Le Pen. I do not know. Millions of people, in fact,

the best political heads in France don't know. It will be, it is in the

hands of French people. What is certain, whatever happens, this is a

crucial election for France, just as importantly, a huge election for the

EU. If madam Le Pen were to become president that would have a

significant effect on France. A referendum. Its position in the EU.

The other candidate is very anti-EU as well. If it's Macron versus l

pen, he doesn't really have an ordinary party. We're not absolutely

sure whether he can get the votes out in numbers. Le Pen has a

formidable old fashioned vote gathering machine. Is there a danger

if Macron makes it against her she wins on the second round. Some

qualify it as a danger. Others as a hope. They'd be quite happy. The

fact of the matter is, if we are dealing with, in the end, a

Macron/Le Pen, it will be astonishing for another reason, it

will mean neither of the two main parties, the Socialist Party

candidate who's polling appallingly, 8%, it would mean Marine Le Pen, she

isn't the centre-right, we have a complete met down not for the

Socialist Party but the political landscape in France. I should say,

because there are two rounds, there's a rib can pact. Don't

undermine or sudden underplay Macron's chances. People will pile

into his camp to stop Le Pen? Yes. There's one other political story

for reasons which will become shortly apparent, UKIP have a story

about banning the burka? They do. They want to ban face coverings if

they win the election. It will be in their manifesto. Of course, it is

very inflammatory. You don't set people free with bans. There are

very view Muslim women who wear the face veil in Britain. It is the root

now, Ukip will go down that after Brexit and become an anti-migrant...

We will discuss this shortly. If you put it in line with France, Belgium

and Bulgaria. The fact Paul Nuttall's written a piece in the

Sunday express, unusual for him. Eight question marks. He does

suggest Ukip may not run candidates against some of the Brexiteers.

Before we fin #, Sarah, you're about to take over

the Today programme on BBC Four. Have you plans for major shakeups?

Exciting new presenters? I'm going to arrive and learn, I think, is the

George Osborne line I'm taking. Thank you all very much.

Now, Ukip are making news this morning, as we've been hearing.

and does this party actually have a purpose any longer?

Let's talk about banning the burkha, why are you going to do this? Two

reasons. We have a heightened security risk. For CCTV to be

effective you need to see people's faces. In this country there is more

CCTV per head than any other country. We are the most watched.

But that we need to see people's faces. Secondly, integration. I

don't believe you can integrate fully and enjoy the fruits of

British society if you cannot see people's faces. Look at statistics,

50% of Muslim women are economically inactive. 22% don't speak English to

any great level. We need to make sure these people are fully

integrated into British society. You cannot do that when your face is

hidden behind a veil. How do we do that? You cannot dress codes in

people's houses. If they stepped onto the street, what would happen,

would they be arrested? Like in France, they have a fine. We will

come in line with other European countries such as Belgium and

Bulgaria. There is a ban in the city of Barcelona, and in some places in

Italy. Angela Merkel is talking about this in Italy, as well -- in

Germany at the moment. One of the big leaders in the European

Parliament is now talking about an EU wide ban. You could be a good

Europhile as usual. What has changed since 2013 when you said, what we

would not do is go down the line of enforcing a blanket ban, we are a

Libertarian party, what has changed? Firstly, there is a bigger security

threat we face now. You look at Trevor Phillips' report of Muslims

coming into the UK. You look at the work others have done on this issue.

Integration is getting worse in Britain, not better. The security

threat was there in 2013, integration was no better, and you

said we are a Libertarian party, we don't interfere with what people

wear, eat, and so forth. We know more about integration problems now

from Casey's report. I cannot walk into a bank with a balaclava on or a

crash helmet. If I can't do it at other people can't I don't see why

we have a special interest. You're also going for sharia law and sharia

courts. Why? I don't think we should have a different legal system. Would

you do the same with Jewish courts? That's different. We had courts in

this country that date all the way back to Cromwell. The Jewish

population in Britain, Orthodox Jewish population, has fallen to

about a quarter of a million now. The issues surrounding sharia is

that the Muslim population is doubling decade on decade. Its 3

million now. It will be 6 million soon. Trevor Phillips' report showed

that a quarter of Muslim people in Britain want to see sharia replaced

British law in areas which are predominantly Muslim populated. We

have a problem with this. Either we deal with it now or down the line.

Will you allow mosques to stay open? Of course, this is not a -- an

attack on Muslim people. People might think that Ukip are losing its

purpose. It cannot be right that we have caught on councils in this

country where the word of a woman has half the importance of a man. It

has no place in a western diplomatic country. You don't feel that

targeting what people where you are infringing on something which will

be personal? I don't. If CCTV is to be effective in an age of heightened

terror you need to see people's faces. I want to see real

integration. For some people this is a part of who they are. We were

joking about your flat cap earlier. That is a part of who you are, this

is what these women are. But you can see my face. I'm not a security

threat. It is about integration. As I said earlier, 58% of Muslim women

in this country are economic and inactive. If you cannot see

someone's face it means that they will be excluded from some jobs.

Ukip will not stand against strong pro-Brexit candidates, is that

right? Not just Tory candidates. This won't be an order which is

coming down from the top of the party. I will speak to branches over

the coming weeks and we will make decisions. What I don't want to see

happen is good Brexiteers, not fly by night, people who have campaigned

for years for it. I don't want to see them lose their seats. Craig

McKinley, and offers old in your party before you came the Tory MP

for Thanet South. And one of your target seats. One of the few seats

where you could win it. Craig McKinley is a good Brexiteer,

therefore are you not going to stand against? Absolutely not. That case

is to most. Because of the way he was elected. -- that case is

different to most. Not -- Andy Nuttall has been a good Brexiteer

all his life. So you won't stand against him? I haven't said that.

What I won't do is make the mistake of 2010 where the party leader told

branches to stand down. This will be done... Stand against them or don't?

Theresa May, stand or don't stand? Not my decision, it's down to the

branch. Boris Johnson? Not my decision it's down to the branch.

This is a boring game. It is. What are you going to do? I will make the

decision in the coming weeks. Will you stand as a candidate the Ukip?

Again, I will have conversations with branches, nothing has been

decided. Conversations, conversations. Thanks very much.

It's been mostly pretty nice this week but colder air is pouring

which might be good news for some over-heated marathon runners.

Over to Ben Rich in the BBC weather studio.

Good morning. It is fairly chilly at the moment. But that is nothing

compared with what is heading our way over the next few days. Cold

weather isn't unusual in April, but that does not mean it won't be a

shock to the system when we see wintry showers and cold and frosty

nights through the week ahead. Make the most of today because for many

it is a decent day. Particularly across England and Wales. Some

patchy cloud, small chance of a shower, but most will be dry with

sunny spells. Thicker cloud across Northern Ireland and Scotland. Later

in the day Northern Scotland will the wet and windy weather. This is

the first sign of the change, this area of low pressure and this cold

front sinking south. A little rain on that. Behind that it will

introduce cold air. Wintry showers developing across northern Scotland.

And a frost here. Not as cold over England and Wales, there will be

cloud and patchy rain. This is it sinking south across England and

Wales. Behind it, Northern Ireland, Scotland and northern England

brightening up. But there will be cold showers, a mixture of rain,

hail, sleet, may be some snow. And we're not just talking about

mountaintops, there could be more persistent wintry weather over the

East of Scotland. Prepare for overnight frosts and prepare for

wintry showers. Plaid Cymru, the party of Wales,

has had a vision of that country's future as semi-independent inside

the EU - an option, of course, So, what's their real

constitutional vision now? The party leader Leanne Wood

joins me from Cardiff. Good morning. Happy St George's Day.

It is Saint Andrews Day in my case, but thank you. Can I ask you about

the constitutional vision you have? In the old party of Plaid Cymru the

age of the two Dafydds, the idea was that Wales would be an independent

country inside the EU. Now Wales has voted like England to leave, doesn't

that scupper your vision for the future? The immediate issue facing

us in Wales is defending our nationhood. There are grave threats

to people in this country from an extreme Tory Brexit. Threats to

livelihoods from an economic downturn, as a result of that hard

Brexit. And also threats in terms of our Constitution here in Wales.

Because I believe in increased mandate for the Tories will mean

that they will power grab from Wales. Those powers that will be

coming down from Brussels should be coming directly to Cardiff Bay. The

risk is that the Tories will grab those powers to Westminster. Is

Plaid Cymru in any sense now a nationalist party? In the sense that

everyone is a nationalist. If those parties that are not defending Wales

are talking from a British nationalist perspective, of course.

I don't think these terms are necessarily helpful. But you are

right, we are in a defensive mode here now. There are grave threats

facing our country and people. Plaid Cymru is determined to stand up for

those people. And remember, Labour are divided. There are many Labour

MPs in Wales who are openly attacking, or have been openly

attacking their leader. They are in no fit state to provide the

opposition and the voice Wales needs in this situation. So it is down to

Plaid Cymru. I hope people in Wales will recognise the situation we are

in and vote for the maximum number of Plaid Cymru MPs to be the strong

voice for Wales in Westminster as these vital decisions are being made

over the next few years. That labour leader you've been discussing will

be here shortly. He's produced one policy I suspect you will be pleased

about. A national holiday on St David's Day. We have been calling

for that for many years. We don't have the powers in the National

Assembly to do that. I suspect we would have done it years ago. This

highlights the problem in Wales. We have grave problems but we don't

have the tools to provide the solutions. We need the powers to

defend Wales from what we can expect to be the worse from the Tories. It

isn't just about Brexit. The Tories are hell-bent, in my view, on

privatising the NHS. They want to produce selections which are well

spaced for schools. Might you stand as a candidate yourself? Paul dodged

the question. -- wealth based for schools. All party rules dictate

that if I was to win a Westminster seat, which is doable, I'd have to

give up the leadership of the party, which is something I don't really

want to do. So you will not stand? I think we can win with a number of

different candidates. I'm encouraged that we do have a choice. The Labour

MP for the bundle -- from the Rhondda is pretty vulnerable at the

moment. Sounds like you won't. Thank you for talking to us this morning.

Ever since The Kinks were kicked out of America in the sixties,

Ray Davies has had an on/off love affair with the country.

He's been inspired by its grandeur but also felt its dark side -

he was shot and left for dead in New Orleans after chasing a mugger.

His latest album, "Americana", sees him teaming up with The Jayhawks -

a band some of you may remember from this show.

The album's been gaining the newly knighted Sir Ray Davies some

# Riding high on inspiration # Full of expectations of the road

# On that winding trail to somewhere # The other foolish loanee did not

care #. It's Americana, not so much

the country, more the vision, All of the youngsters impressed by

Americans, good guys, bad guys. And I realised it was nothing like

that. Of course, you've had some very

strange experiences of America. The fixture of -- a mixture of bad

management. We didn't really cut it too well

with the American culture. The Beatles were more

accessible, friendly people, The Kinks were really

disorganised rebels. Disorganised and slightly

less friendly. And one of the songs

on the new album you talk about, The Invaders, was that what it felt

like at the time? The first words we heard,

one of the first people, the immigration man said

are you a boy or a girl? My brother said he

is a girl, so am I. They treated us like invaders,

because the films from the 50s, The Creatures From The Black Lagoon,

the Commie threat. And the new album, Americana,

really starts when you have a lot Tell us what happened and how

you responded to that. It was a random shooting, mugging,

I made the mistake of chasing You can get away with it in

Muswell Hill, but not New Orleans. The post shooting was worse,

because all my identification was gone, for a while I was known

as an unknown person. # And those big neon signs

telling us what to eat # In every shop window goods

are designed to please If not cynicism, at least

a sense of down about LA and about the deals

and the contracts. And there's a sense, almost,

in the album that America is somehow But on the other hand you talk

about dreary Angleterre. I think, you must remember

I wrote about character, the character is not really me

in a song called The Deal, he goes to America to try to make it,

he goes to LA where you particularly have to adapt to a certain type

of phoniness, very fake. I think he succumbs

to the temptations. Would you say that your are still

basically an English Romantic? Americana, the vision,

can come true. It's going through a tough

time at the moment. I think it'll all balance

itself out, hopefully. I should have called you Sir Ray,

almost, for this interview. Because I was thinking back

to the album Naughty Boys, Naughty Schoolboys, and the picture

on the front of that album, and I thought this man

now has a knighthood. And that is a very

strange, strange story. Well, a rebel or two

will do some good. Britain has great history,

great ceremonial abilities, My parents would have been angry

if I hadn't accepted it. There's also a certain sense of

mortality about the new album. and you're on your way

to the mystery room. What, for you, is the mystery room,

or is it simply blank? In the context of the record

it visiting a time We've all been in

situations like that. It is the big, unanswered

question, really. What do you think

is through that door? # You got me so I

don't know what I'm doing # You got me so I

can't sleep at night And that new album from Ray Davies,

"Americana", has just been released. Most of us have seen Jeremy Corbyn

in short bursts in news bulletins But now he is fighting to become

Britain's next Prime Minister, there is a vast range of policy

issues we need to hear about from him - on foreign policy,

the economy and of course, Brexit. He's here now. Good morning. What a

lovely interview. What a lovely man, Ray Davies. A lovely man. Let me ask

you, whether you think this election campaign you're embarking upon is

rigged? Well, it's come unexpectedly. We're here, ready for

it. We're out there. I've done nine events already. You don't think it's

rigged? The election is on. That's no longer a debate. The woman who

introduced you for your opening speech said the other day, this is

Theresa May trying to rig democracy in this country. Theresa May's

jumped in to hold an election quickly, unexpectedly for just about

everybody, I think. We are now taking our case out there to the

country. Is they right or -- she right or not? Theresa May thinks

she's chosen an election at a time which suits her and has torn up the

principles of the fixed term acts. An election will happen on June 8th.

We should focus on the issues that face the people of this country. You

could have stopped it happening and you didn't. Why? Because opposition

parties want to be in Government. You have always said you will be a

different kind of leader. You said, I'm not going to play by their

rules. Do you tend to be a transformational inmaterial

different Prime Minister? I want to see a very different country. I'm

angry and fed up in the way in which six million people earn less than a

living wage. People don't know what their wage will be from one week to

another, increasing numbers of homeless people. People on

middle-income jobs whose children can't get homes, housing and who

can't get on the career ladder because they're so saddled with

student debt. If you win, it won't be business as usual? No, it will be

very different. Want to cover foreign policy first. If us win the

election and walk through the doors of Downing Street, almost the first

thing that happens you are tapped on the shoulder by a senior civil

servant who takes you to write four letters to the captains of Britain's

nuclear sub Marines telling them what to do if this country's

attacked in a nuclear strike. What will you tell them? I will say I

want us to achieve a nuclear-free world. I want us to adhere not

nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Take part in negotiations around

that. Crucially, immediately, promote the six-party talks on the

Korean peninsula to de-escalate nuclear tensions around the world.

At that point, you have to say fire or don't fire. You can't dodge it.

You have to give them in those letters a strict instruction? A

strict instruction to follow orders when given. You don't tell them

whether to fire or not to fire? The issue has to be, we want a secure

and peaceful world. We achieve that by promoting peace, by also

promoting security and security comes from that process. But as

Prime Minister, you have very, very fast decisions to take on all of

this. Can I ask you directly, are there any circumstances in which

you'd authorise a nuclear strike? I've made clear my views on nuclear

weapons. No first use of it. I've made clear any use of nuclear

weapons is disastrous for the whole world. We need to look at the

process of achieving peace and security for the world. Nuclear

weapons are disastrous if ever used. I would focus first on the issues of

Korea. That's where the greatest tensions are at the present time.

I'm disturbed the Trump administration is trying to unpick

President Obama's deal with Iran. They were addressing issues of

security there as well as human rights issues in Iran. After those

letters about the next decision you have to take is which world leaders

you call first. Who do you call? I think you call the European leaders,

President Trump, President Putin, you call the Prime Minister of

India, you call the President of China. Call all the members of the

Security Council, including those that are short-term members in the

sense they are on for one term. You build a relationship there. I would

immediately call the general secretary of the UN. Do you tell him

and President Trump we are no longer an nuclear armed power? I will say I

want to meet you, talk to you, work together for a secure and peaceful

world. Then offer to meet them as soon as possible. All of them. In

terms of making of policy, we are in a new situation now because of this

election. The triedent gateway vote happened but this is a chance to

reopen the whole question. Would a Labour Government cancel the Trident

programme? We'll have a strategic defence review immediately as most

incoming Governments do. We would look at the situation at that time.

But also make sure our armed forces are properly funded and they are

able to play their part in peacekeeping around the world. This

is still an entirely unrest offered question what you're going to do.

Your defence spokesman said keeping Trident will be in the Labour

manifesto. Will it? We haven't completed work on the manifesto.

We're less than 100 hours into this election campaign. She could be in

for a shock? We're having that discussion within the Labour Party.

We will produce our manifesto at the end of May. The Conservative

chairman's been disobliging but you in the newspapers. Mr Wrasse must,

the former Secretary-General of NATO, said you would be a threat to

the future of NATO. You don't really believe in NATO and western security

would be harmed. I look forward to talking to him. There are principles

around NATO which comes from the 1942 Atlantic treaty within Britain

and the US. NATO is a very big force in Europe and powers around the

world. I would want to work with NATO leaders in building up an

effective, sensible relationship with non-NATO countries such as

Russia. Also, try to de-escalate tensions. We've President Trump who

is going very much in the opposite direction. Your enthusiasm for

talking to people is well known. It is as Prime Minister you have

concrete tough, immediate decisions to take. Including, we've 800 troops

just sent to Estonia because of worries about Russians on the

border. You were against that deploy: Would you bring them back as

Prime Minister? We'd keep them there for the moment but use the

opportunity of a newly-electeds Government to say we want to reduce

tensions on the borders of the European. Build a relationship with

the US and Russian administration and the other big powers around the

word. We have to have that relationship. My calls would be to

the UN and all the members of the Security Council, the Presidents of

those countries. When you speak to President Trump, will you tell him

we'll no longer take part in air strikes in Syria and Iraq? I will

tell him I want to see a process that brings about the end to the

conflicts in both those countries. Do you suspend those strikes or not?

Let me finish, at the end of the day, the only solution in Syria will

be a political one. There has to be a reconvening quickly of the Geneva

conference. I would say to President Trump, it's in nobody's interests

for this war to continue. Let's get the Geneva process quickly. No more

strikes. Have the UN investigation into the war crime of the use of

chemical weapons in Syria and take it on from there. Let's involve the

UN in this. I'm sorry to press this. I'm just asking because the power

would be in your hands as Prime Minister to suspend those air

strikes when you walk into Number Ten or not to. Let them keep going

and the question is clear, which do you do? You suggest you suspend

them? Listen, let's get people around the table quickly. The way of

achieving that, suspend the strikes possibly? So suspend the strikes?

The point has to be about bringing a political solution. All wars end

with a political solution. Let a he is go to that place as quickly as we

can. You're sitting in Number Ten. The spooks walk in and say... You

wouldn't call them spooks. The gentlemen in suits walk in, Prime

Minister Corbyn, we've good news for you. Al-Baghdadi, the leader of

Isis, we know where he is, we can take him out with a drone strike.

Can we have your permission. I tell them give me the information you

have. Tell me how accurate that is and tell me what you think can be

achieved by this. If think do know where he is, I'm asking you about

decisions you would take? Back to the whole point, what is the

objective here? Is the objective to start more strikes which may kill

more innocent people or is it to get a political solution in Syria? My

whole point... It might be a kill the leader of sighs Sis? Does this

help to get a political solution in Syria? Approach it from that

position. Do you think killing the leader of sighs Sis will be helpful

for a political solution? The leader of Isis not being around would be

helpful as part of a solution. But the bombing campaign's killed a

large number of civilians, many of whom were virtually prisoners of

Isis. Let's move on to domestic policy. One of your announcements

this morning, four more bank holidays, St George's Day, St And

rue's day and St Patrick's Day. Seven more spring bank holidays.

What is the chick cost of this? The Bank of England said there is a

benefit measured either way. A benefit because there's less

production on bank holidays when people are not working. There's also

more spending on those days. There are assessments you make in both

ways. They think it is roughly neutral. We've less public holidays

than any other country in Europe, less than most industrial nations

around the world and far less than Japan which has 16 a year. You said

we have a productivity problem in this country. Maybe these are

situations in which we have to work harder not less hard? People being

more relaxed and spending time with their families is a good thing. It

would have the effect of recognising the historical diversity of the UK.

There's going to be public holidays, St George's Day, St Patrick's Day,

St Andrew's day and St David's Day. Employers say it would cost between

?1-2 billion of lost committee to the British economy? The Bank of

England says the same on spending. It goes either way. Surely people

having the chance of spending more time with their families, and the

response I've had so far, bearing in mind this policy was only announced

last night, has been generally very positive. People saying, what people

do need is more time with their families. There's so much insecurity

in work and in people's lives, a public holiday celebrating the

diversity of our nation is probably quite a good thing. I'm not against

it. I am always in favour of a holiday.

Let's talk about transformational politics. You said you would be a

different kind of PM. You also said he didn't want private provision

inside the NHS. Of all the companies who should be worried about a Labour

victory, do we add the shareholders of BUPA, Nuffield, health UK, and

those other private companies currently accounting for 8% of NHS

spending? Problem is the NHS spends a lot of money on private provision

within the NHS. Those contracts that are let out cost a lot of money.

Great profits are made out of that. Many of those who work on an NHS

contract for the private sector in the NHS are paid less than the NHS

workers themselves. And it increases management and consultancy costs

within the NHS. My point is an NHS publicly run and publicly

accountable is actually more efficient. You were clear in the

past, you wanted to end private work inside the NHS for good. It is the

NHS. It is there for everyone, and for a purpose, the point is we get

free health care. It is the most civilised thing about this country.

Something desperately worried about. Ever since the social health care

act was passed. Is the answer that you end the work done by Nuffield

and BUPA and the other companies in the NHS? We would want to phase out

those contracts and bring in directly employed staff. As the

contracts are up for renewal, we use them as... You go from 8% down to 0%

eventually. Eventually. The NHS was envisaged as a service for all of

us. Imagine what it is like working at the NHS alongside somebody

working for a different employer, with possibly different objectives.

It is cheaper for all of us. Local authorities that have brought

services find it is more efficient and cheaper. You falsely suggested

that the bosses of companies that have any kind of public contracts,

that his defence companies, shipbuilding companies, health

companies, all the rest, they should be paid no more than ?350,000 per

year. At the moment in the public sector there is an aspiration of a

pay ratio of 20 to one. It is the ratio which is most important you

think? Indeed but it can't be achieved straightaway. It would be a

much more long-term objective. I think there is a massive issue of

inequality in Britain. What we've had is a pay ratio between workers

and chief executives. It is times 186 of the average pay of their

worker. Those things are really not acceptable. Do you want to go deep

into the private sector with the same effect? Let's start with the

power of public procurement. Let's start with that. My whole point is

that the election of a Labour government will mean that we will

use the power to govern to improve wage levels and living standards and

housing and health across the country. But will also use it as a

way of leverage in good quality employment and training. One of the

problems of this country is we haven't trained enough workers. You

come to education. Used to say that you wanted or grammar schools to

become comprehensive. Is that still the same? I want proper funding of

all of our schools. -- used to say that you wanted all, schools to

become comprehensives. This country is cutting the Budget is while at

the same time putting 4 million pounds into a vanity project or

grammar schools. We should be funding all schools properly. I

don't like selective education. You said I want or grammar schools to

become comprehensive schools is that still the same? It has to be made by

local decision in the end, even though I would like that. Lots of

people don't understand what the Labour Party's vision for Brexit is.

Do you agree with Theresa May about wanting maximum access to the single

market, and lots of other areas, but where you disagree with her is that

you would like to give a bit more when it comes to the Freedom of

movement? Theresa May has approached the negotiations of leaving the EU

on the basis of a threat will stop saying this is what we want, if we

don't get it, we will set up a tax haven. We will go to a different

style for Britain. I don't think that a sensible. What would you do

as PM? Our first choice is tariff free trade to Europe. A tariff will

be placed on all manufacturing goods and services leaving Britain if we

go down the road of Theresa May. That means many industries would

disappear. We start with the principle of getting that tariff

free. I've spent a lot of time reaching out to colleagues in the EU

to help us with those negotiations. Part of the impact is that if you

are going to get complete control of migration from EU you cannot be in

the single market. You said in the past you are not wedded to free

movement but you're not against it either. Which side are you on? The

first point is to make sure we get an economy that works for all. That

means, I think, getting tariff free access to the European market as a

high priority. Then new work-out and immigration policy that follows from

that. -- then you work out a new migration policy that follows from

that. I want us to be expanding our manufacturing sector. I want our own

public investment bank to invest in new industries and infrastructure so

we have a trading relationship with Europe which is crucial. Half our

trade is with Europe at the moment. In these negotiations, if you are

there leading them as Prime Minister, do you insist on ending

free movement? I would insist on trade access and see what follows

from that. That has to be the key. I gave you a straightforward question.

But this is the key point. The free movement question, and trade access,

they are linked. Free movement ends when we leave the EU. Because that

is an intrinsic part of the EU. But there is also a question of EU

nationalism in Britain. They should be given the right to remain here.

Then we work out the system by those who are able to come here for work

and so on, as long as British people are able to go to other parts of

Europe to do the same. Most of our manufacturing industry exists on

both sides. Apart from rhetoric about what might happen at the end

I'm struggling to see a difference between Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit and

Theresa May on Brexit. You talk about what she might threaten. I'm

not threatening Europe with a tax haven on the shores of Europe. But

you are out of the single market, out of the union, -- out of the

customs union, or are you not? The single market is intrinsic to the

members. If we are not a member then there was a need to have the market

relationship. It would have to be a trade agreement with the EU which

would ensure that we would continue to gain access and recognise... That

is exactly what she says. And recognising the deeper levels of

integration of the manufacturing industries of Britain and Europe.

She is saying that we want to do a sweetheart trade deal with various

people around the world. You can't do that while you are still a member

of the EU. The important thing is to maintain jobs. We know there is

likely to be a heavy bill. Members of the EU will not even discuss

trade deals and migration and so on until they have agreed the so-called

divorce proceedings. That could be 16 billion euros. As a Prime

Minister, would you accept that? I don't understand where that figure

comes from. It comes from Mr Varney. I imagine it is an opening gambit in

negotiations. I think it is in the interests of everyone in the

European Union, as well as Britain, to come to an agreement very quickly

on trade arrangements and develop the rest from there. We have an

intelligent discussion. But we don't need to get there on a series of

threat. If I was part of the people who were upset about Brexit and

thought it was on a disastrous course, if I was that person I would

only vote for the Lib Dems because the Labour would carry on that

process. Not at all. I represented a constituency that voted heavily to

remain. We have supporters strongly in both camps. The basis has to be

an intelligent relationship with the European Union, has to be a trade

relationship, has to maintain the rights we have achieved,

environmental protections, transport agreements, all of those things. We

are going to have a very real day to day life relationship with the EU in

the future. And I'm clear about European nationalist rights to

remain in this country. You were up against this campaign. Mountain to

climb. You got hostility from the mainstream press and the rest of it.

We've seen it all. If you win this it is your credit, if you fail to

win this election, and badly, do you take personal responsibility? I'm

leading our party. I'm proud to do that. We are agreeing on a

manifesto. We can offer the British people a good relationship with

Europe in the future. We will make an offer on education, and on

health, and on housing. If that offer is rejected? Opportunities for

everybody. Would you accept you have failed if it is rejected? I will

make that case to the people of this country. We had nine events already

making that case. And we have a huge increase in party membership over

the last few days from people who see an opportunity of doing

something different in Britain. Of liberating the spirit. Thank you for

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