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Good morning. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
There's a long tradition
about the days after the Budget. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Bit by bit, it unravels,
and an ashen-faced Chancellor has | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
to scrabble around apologising
for his mistakes. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
But not this year. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
Philip Hammond has been warmly
applauded by the Tory party - | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
even the Daily Mail withdrew
its claim that he was | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
Britain's Eeyore. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
But, those forecasts -
basically that we're all going to be | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
poorer for much longer
than we thought - show | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
there might be trouble ahead. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
Bad for Britain, but in pure
electoral terms, perhaps, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
a huge opportunity for
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
I'm joined this morning
by the woman many Tories see | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
as their future Prime Minister -
the Leader of the Scottish | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Conservatives, Ruth Davidson. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And by a key member of Labour's
economic team, Barry Gardiner, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
on Labour's vision for the economy. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
Keeping an eye on both of them,
the grand wizard of the numbers, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Paul Johnson of the Institute
for Fiscal Studies. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
And remember this? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
I've still got the pieces. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
So I'm not going to wear a dog
collar until Mugabe has gone. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:45 | |
But now Mugabe's gone,
will the Archbishop | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
put his collar back on? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
And a message to the UK from ABBA. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Benny Andersson has got this
to say about Brexit. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
We need you in there. Because it's
like, you have a friend, and he | 0:01:52 | 0:01:59 | |
says, we don't want to be friends
with you any more. Stay. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:05 | |
I'll be talking
to him and Sir Tim Rice | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
about their Cold War musical,
"Chess". | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
Plus, we'll have a fantastic tune
from three other musical | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
greats: Jools Holland,
Jose Feliciano and Ruby Turner. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:18 | |
# Hey Ray... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
And reviewing the papers -
the former Tory adviser and head | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
of media for the Vote Leave
campaign, Robert Oxley; the writer | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
and commentator Ellie Mae O'Hagan,
and the political editor | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
of the Financial Times,
George Parker. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
But first, the news
with Tina Daheley. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
Good morning. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
Ireland's European Commissioner has
urged the UK not to leave the single | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
market and customs union. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
Phil Hogan has told The Observer
that it would be the best way | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
to avoid stringent border controls
between Northern Ireland | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
and the Republic. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
Theresa May hopes the EU will agree
to move the Brexit talks onto trade | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
at next month's summit. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
But Mr Hogan warns Ireland
will use its veto to stop progress | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
if it is not satisfied. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
People who fly drones will be
required to take safety awareness | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
tests as part of a government
clamp-down on rogue operators. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Owners will be banned
from flying them near airports, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
while the police will be given
new powers to seize the machines. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
They are part of plans
to crack down on criminal | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and unsafe use of drones -
which have been used | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
for smuggling, and involved
in near-misses with aeroplanes. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
There's concern that a volcano
on the Indonesian island of Bali | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
may be about to erupt. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Mount Agung last errupted in 1963. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Around 25,000 people have been
evacuated since volcanic activity | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
was first seen in September. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Some flights have been cancelled,
and an airport on the neighbouring | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
island of Lombok has been closed. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Military history will be made
at Buckingham Palace this morning, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
when sailors from the Royal Navy
take part in the changing of | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
the guard for the very first time. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
More than 80 sailors have been
taught the intricate routines | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
and drill movements required
for the duty, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
which is usually carried out
by the Army's Household Division. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
That's all from me. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
The next news on BBC One is at 1.00. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Back to you, Andrew. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
Thank you. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
Now to the papers. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
The one story that is really taking
focused this morning is the Irish | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
border. The Observer has it there,
with the Irish Commissioner warning | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
Theresa May to change course or risk
Brexit chaos. We only have to weeks | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
to sort this out. There is the
Sunday town -- the Sunday Times with | 0:04:32 | 0:04:39 | |
a very sad story there. We see
Meghan Markle on almost every front | 0:04:39 | 0:04:46 | |
page, her and Harry. That is
Victoria Beckham there. A big EU | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
story, and lots of Brexit coverage
this morning. On the other side of | 0:04:51 | 0:04:58 | |
the Irish story, a fairly withering
comment from the DUP, saying that | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
they will not put up with having no
border at all. In the Mail on Sunday | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
there, quite a complicated story
about an alleged link between | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Brexiteers and Russia and so forth,
but you have to follow quite a lot | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
of dots to work it out. There is
Meghan Markle again. The press is | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
already gearing up for some kind of
wedding announcement shortly. We | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
will not be talking very much about
that, I suspect. We will start | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
talking about the Irish border story
and the Observer front-page. This | 0:05:31 | 0:05:38 | |
continued anti-Brexit coverage has
splashed the idea that Ireland's EU | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
Commissioner thinks that the only
way Northern Ireland can stay in the | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
customs union or the single
market... The DUP do not think that | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
is right. They do not want to see
the UK and Northern Ireland | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
separated off. The EU Commissioner
pronouncing on a UK issue, I think | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
that is one of the reasons people
voted to leave. Also this | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
interference back into the UK
domestic scene, and potentially | 0:06:04 | 0:06:10 | |
making some significant
constitutional changes to the | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
relationship between Northern
Ireland and the Republic of Ireland | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
is not the sort of thing that should
be happening in this way. It is | 0:06:15 | 0:06:22 | |
interesting that we have got to one
of the bigger issues of Brexit. We | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
didn't hear much of this in the
campaign. In the Vote Leave | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
campaign, we set out what people
didn't like in the European Union. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
They didn't like that it was too
controlling. That is what people | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
said. I think this story Pulis it's
one of the things the British people | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
didn't like. Anything that separates
Northern Ireland from the rest of | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
the United Kingdom, economically or
politically, is something that we | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
could not bear. So there is
something... A big choice now. Does | 0:06:55 | 0:07:03 | |
Northern Ireland stay in side the
customs union, or if not, if they | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
stay in the rest of the UK, there is
going to have to be some kind of | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
border? That is in excess ten shall
choice, not just for Ireland. There | 0:07:13 | 0:07:20 | |
are going to have to be third way is
coming through these decisions. What | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
you have here is possibly one of the
more interesting issues, getting | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
away from the bill that has
dominated our coverage so far. The | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
public voted to take back control
and they wanted these decisions to | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
be taken. Ireland could be playing
with fire here if they decide to up | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
the ante. If there is a Brexit that
cuts the UK off, Ireland have the | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
most use from it. I don't think that
will happen. I think common sense | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
prevail. Three of the most
articulate advocates of Brexit were | 0:07:52 | 0:07:59 | |
newspaper columnists, like Michael
Gove and Boris Johnson. Now we are | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
talking about what is in the next
1000 words. There are too many | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
journalists getting into politics,
is that it? This is the Irish side | 0:08:08 | 0:08:16 | |
of the same story. The same
relations between Dublin and London, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
saying they have not been so
strained for years. Talking about | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
the terrible relationship between
the Irish Taoiseach and Theresa May. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
He quotes a former Conservative
minister. What the hell does your | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
government think it's doing? That is
the point Rob was making. If these | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
talks break down, you end up with no
deal, and a very hard border in | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
deep. Very serious stuff. We are
sitting here after the budget, and | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
the immediate aftermath was quite
good for the Chancellor. But there's | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
a lot of trouble ahead. You picked a
story from the Sunday Mirror about | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
the NHS. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:09 | |
Yes. Philip Hammond gave £4 billion
to the banks, but only £2.8 billion | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
to the NHS, and the reason I picked
this out is because this plays to | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
what a lot of people in the country
think at the moment, that we have a | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
government interested in looking
after the interests of the rich and | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
not ordinarily people. There's been
a few successful days of press | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
coverage, better than the calamitous
headlines the Tories have been | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
getting lately, anyway, but actually
it's starting to unravel, and I | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
agree with what you said in the
introduction, which is that the | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
long-term ramifications of this
budget, the OBR figures... If Labour | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
can capitalise on that, it will pay
offer them electorally. That is and | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
if, though, and not inevitable. I
don't think the IS figures on | 0:09:51 | 0:09:58 | |
stagnating wages, missing the
deficit target, terrible growth | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
figures, these are the things that
will determine politics in the next | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
few years. These forecasts. We don't
know what is going to happen. In the | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
Sunday Times, lots of knives flying
towards the Chancellor, and you turn | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
over the page and he is deflecting
them. What is the overall message? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:24 | |
The big thing was the forecasts. I
think Philip Hammond will have been | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
relieved to have got through the
day. That was the priority, not to | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
mess it up. He lives to fight
another day. From his point of view, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:39 | |
and from the Conservative
government's point of view, spending | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
money on the health service and
public sector pay politically is the | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
wrong choice, because they need to
show that the economy will grow | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
under a Tory government. Any money
they've got should be put into | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
raising the growth potential of the
economy, and hoping that by the time | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
the next election comes round, the
economy is picking up and that | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
people have something to lose if
they vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Rob, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:12 | |
apart from your Vote Leave years,
you were also special adviser to Sir | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Michael Fallon, who has now left the
government. Can I ask you a bit, in | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
personal terms, what it is like. He
was a big political figure and is | 0:11:21 | 0:11:30 | |
now on the backbenches. He did
intervene a bit in the budget. It is | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
a very sudden change. You go from
being the Defence Secretary, making | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
life and death decisions, and then
suddenly it disappears. There has | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
been a tendency recently for
politicians to disappear off the | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
second they have lost office. But
what Sir Michael did in the budget | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
debate was to make a case firstly
about an important issue, employees' | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
share ownership, and talk about how
we make Brexit a success. What comes | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
through from Tim Shipman's really
good write-up of the budget is that | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
it was quite a simplistic,
straightforward budget. It was | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
low-key, it wasn't aiming to do too
much, expectations had been lowered | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
very well and it was quite simple.
One big issue that Tory MPs will be | 0:12:18 | 0:12:25 | |
looking at is, yes we have got
through a difficult period now, but | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
what is going to change? What is
going to make people under the age | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
of 50 vote for Conservative's what
can they offer? I think there is a | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
lot to offer, but they will have to
articulate the case. Ellie Mae | 0:12:40 | 0:12:47 | |
O'Hagan, an interesting story in the
Observer. This is momentum asking | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
would-be MPs to sign up to their
values if they want Momentum's | 0:12:52 | 0:12:58 | |
support at the next election. I
brought this up because I know that | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
a lot of journalists watch your
show. I wanted to give them friendly | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
advice, which is, stop trying to
make problems that are not there. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:13 | |
Millions of people voted for the
Labour Party at the last election | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and a lot of people like the Labour
Party. It is called Stalinist here. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:23 | |
Stalin was a dictator who sent
people to their death if they didn't | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
do what he wanted. Getting MPs to
sign a document which is essentially | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
an ethics document, that everybody
who joins Momentum pass to sign up | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
to, is just a nonstory. Stalin would
never have allowed that beard! But | 0:13:39 | 0:13:46 | |
is it not the case that Momentum,
the left of the party, are making | 0:13:46 | 0:13:52 | |
very fast advances at the moment?
The top three candidates in the NEC | 0:13:52 | 0:13:59 | |
elections are Momentum. Maybe it
would be better to spend more column | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
inches wondering why the so-called
moderates of the Labour Party are | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
failing and why Corbyn is doing so
well. Let's move to another leader. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
Very important what has happened in
Germany, to Europe and Brexit. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Angela Merkel looks like she is
going to try to hold on. Indeed. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
There is talk of her either running
a minority government or restoring a | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
grand coalition with the Social
Democrats. The Social Democrats are | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
split down the middle on this one.
Do they go into government and risk | 0:14:34 | 0:14:41 | |
the possibility they are snuffed out
during the course of the coalition? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
A domestic point of view, and having
Angela Merkel in Powell, will be | 0:14:44 | 0:14:53 | |
good for the Brexit negotiations.
There is another foreign affairs and | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
story which is terrible. This huge
attack in Egypt on Suffi by Sunni | 0:14:58 | 0:15:12 | |
Muslims. The gunmen were wrapped in
the black flags of ISO. This is | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
murderous and violent. The kind of
death cult that is Islamic State. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:25 | |
They seem to want to do barbaric
violence and go to extremes. Britain | 0:15:25 | 0:15:31 | |
is involved in a campaign against
IS, we are winning in Iraq and | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
Syria. Most of the extremist
Islamist violence is killing other | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
Muslims, we should remember. There
is a real worry at the moment that | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
we will be heading towards a Sunni
Shia war. It is violence against a | 0:15:45 | 0:15:54 | |
Muslim minority. We have seen
violence against Coptic Christians. | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
IS goes for minorities. I would
suggest that the only real option | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
for the evil of our time is the
rightly targeted cruise missile, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
rather than a different campaign. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:24 | |
Tell us a little bit about this, the
Jezza annual. This is just a bit of | 0:16:24 | 0:16:33 | |
fun, I'm going to get this for my
mum. She knows what she's getting | 0:16:33 | 0:16:43 | |
for Christmas now, you have spoiled
it. Jeremy Corbyn had a very tough | 0:16:43 | 0:16:49 | |
time in the media when he first
became Labour leader and I think the | 0:16:49 | 0:16:55 | |
sort of over the top phrase that his
supporters give him is a sort of | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
reaction. It is kind of like a
Millwall fan thing, you all hate us | 0:17:01 | 0:17:07 | |
and you don't care, a reaction to
the way he has been treated in the | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
media. This is clearly a joke and
I'm going to be putting it in some | 0:17:11 | 0:17:19 | |
people's stockings. I don't want to
spoil it for your mum but there is a | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
word search with the word
proletariat. Amazing. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
And so to the weather. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
Bracing. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
Enlivening. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
Invigorating. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
Or, as some of you
might put it, cold. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
But bright as well. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
Ben Rich has more details. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
Good morning, it is cold out there,
there is something milder on the way | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
but it hasn't arrived just yet. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
there is something milder on the way
but it hasn't arrived just yet. It | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
looked like this for one of our
weather watchers in Dunbartonshire, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
but tonight the change. Some wet and
windy weather and then it will turn | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
milder but briefly is the operative
word. Eastern areas largely dry with | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
quite a lot of sunshine, showers
fading in the west. Some wintry | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
weather over hills in the north,
then thickening cloud from Northern | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
Ireland and temperatures just subtly
beginning to move up by a degree or | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
two from yesterday. In Scotland some
hill snow, then this band of heavy | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
rain sinks into the Midlands with
some strong winds. We will see gales | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
in places, but the south of the
rainbow and we get the mild air, 12 | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
degrees in Plymouth but just three
in Aberdeen and as we go through | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
tomorrow it's a process of bringing
that cold air south again. Then the | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
skies will brighten with some
sunshine, showers following on | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
behind on a strong wind, gales in
places. Wintry showers in the north, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
temperatures dipping away and the
cold air will be with us for much of | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
the week ahead. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
cold air will be with us for much of
the week ahead. | 0:18:58 | 0:18:58 | |
It really is winter, isn't it. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
In the early '80s, Benny and Bjorn
from ABBA were looking | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
for their next big project
after the supergroup | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
had called it a day. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
Along came Tim Rice with a tale
of how the Russians and Americans | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
used chess champions
as political pawns. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
So was born the Cold War musical
"Chess" with hit songs | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
like "I Know Him So Well". | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
It returns to the London stage
in spring for the first | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
time in three decades. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
I caught up with Benny Andersson
and Tim Rice, who told me how real | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
events inspired Chess. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Well, I was trying to illustrate
that anybody who becomes well-known | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
in almost any field finds him
or herself approached | 0:19:31 | 0:19:40 | |
and used by politicians,
particularly in the Chess world | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
Bobby Fischer and Spassky,
that great Chess tussle | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
in Reykjavik in 1972,
in which Fischer was meant | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
to be "our guy" - which,
indeed he was, in theory - | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
but he was a nasty piece of work,
and Spassky was the nasty | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
chap from evil Russia,
but he was actually a charming | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
gentleman, so the whole story
was fascinating and was quite a good | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
inspiration for our show. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
And you originally wanted
to write this with Andrew | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Lloyd Webber, and... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
Oh, no! | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
He did! | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
He did! | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
Definitely he did. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
I did suggest the idea. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
Before I'd met Bjorn and Benny,
I did suggest the idea to Andrew, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
but he was working on Cats,
I think, or Phantom. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
He was intrigued, but not gripped,
and to be honest, I did go to one | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
or two other people,
including the late, great, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Marvin Hamlisch, but nobody really
thought it was a good idea | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
until I met Bjorn and Benny. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
You never said! | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
We always thought we
were your first choice. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
So you meet Bjorn and Benny,
you go to Stockholm, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
and then to Moscow. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
Yes. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Tim came to Stockholm. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
Bjorn and I had been thinking
about this for quite a long time, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
actually, that we should
try to write music for the theatre, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
and when Tim came along we said,
Chess, that's a challenge. | 0:20:53 | 0:21:00 | |
Nobody wants to see
a musical about chess. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
Let's do that. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
# Wasn't it good? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
# So good | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
# Wasn't he fine? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
# So fine | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
# Isn't it madness he can't be mine? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
I had no idea that Bjorn and Benny,
who were still huge... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
They are even huger today,
that ABBA was still going strong. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
An American producer
came to me in a hotel | 0:21:23 | 0:21:29 | |
in New York, '81-ish, and said, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
"Have you heard of Arb-ba?" | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
And I said, "No." | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
I thought he was talking
about some sort of tree. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I was about to say, "I'm not really
interested in horticulture..." | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
and he said, "You know, Arb-ba -
Waterloo, Fernando, Dancing Queen." | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
I said, "Oh, ABBA!" | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
And he said, "Yes." | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
"Well, apparently they want
to write a musical." | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
And that was when I thought
I would approach them. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
After asking Marvin Hamlisch! | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
You yourself a big music fan,
of course, right the way through. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
You were a big Arb-ba fan. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
What was the great secret
of Arb-ba, do you think? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
Well, wonderful songs,
which sounds obvious. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
I think it was great melodies,
and very good presentation. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
# How could I ever refuse? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
# I feel like I win when I lose. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
# Waterloo | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
# I was defeated,
you won the war | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
# Waterloo | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
# Promise to love
you forever more... | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
They were just unlike
anybody who came before. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Benny, I want to ask you something. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
A lot of very, very serious,
pompous rock and pop music | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
going on at the time. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
People taking themselves terribly
seriously, and you didn't | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
seem to take yourselves
quite so seriously. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
No, but I would say
we treated our work seriously, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
and we spent as much time as we had
available to us in the studio, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:58 | |
trying to be good at
what we were doing. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
# Money, money, money
what we were doing. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
# Must be funny | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
# In a rich man's world | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
# Money, money, money | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
# Always sunny | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
# In a rich man's world. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
And some of the great bits
from Chess, out of the ABBA | 0:23:17 | 0:23:23 | |
songwriting experience
directly, don't they? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
It all comes out from that. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
It's just taking it a step further. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
And what we did with
Chess was that... | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Because Bjorn and I wanted to,
sort of, I don't know, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
have a grip on what we were doing. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
So we said, let's do a record first,
because that's our home territory | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
and we know where we are,
so let's do the recordings | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
first before we try to go
on to the West End, or whatever. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:52 | |
So clearly, we're going through this
extraordinary drama in Britain | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
at the moment over Brexit. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
As a good Tory, Tim,
you're the man to write | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Brexit: The Book, The Opera,
and music by... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
It's a brilliant idea, isn't it? | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
It's a brilliant idea, isn't it? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Well... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
No, it's a terrible idea. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
All right. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
Yes! | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
I don't know... | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
I think we should wait
and see what the end story | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
is before anybody tackles it,
but it's probably best, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
just as I think Chess
would probably work better now, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
looking back on a period, I think
maybe the great Brexit musical, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
which I won't be around
to write, will be written | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
in about 25 years' time. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
A sad but diplomatic answer! | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
I still think... | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
I keep saying that I want to see it
happen before I comment on it. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
I mean, you're not out
of there yet, are you? | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
And we need you in there. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Why? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Because it's like,
you have a friend and he says, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
well, I don't want to be friends
with you any more. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
I want to be friends
with everybody in Europe! | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Yeah, but now England says, we don't
want to be friends with you, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
we want to be on our own. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
I think they're only saying,
we don't want to be run by you. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
But still, I'll say, I'll wait
to see it actually happening. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Fair enough. Stay. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
Thank you very, very much. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
And the first major revival
of "Chess" in 30 years will be | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
at the London Coliseum from next
April. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
Now coming up later this morning,
Sarah Smith talks to the man | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
who tried to topple Theresa May last
month - Grant Shapps. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
And what did the Chancellor's
Budget do for the north? | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
She'll ask Greater Manchester
Mayor, Andy Burnham. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
That's the Sunday Politics
at 11 here on BBC One. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
We've had enough of experts,
so Michael Gove famously told us | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
during the referendum campaign. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
But in Budget week, we haven't. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
Paul Johnson of the Institute
for Fiscal Studies, is the economist | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
who's been marking the Government's
card, and producing some chilling | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
warnings about our economic future. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
He's here with me now. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
I mentioned those warnings at the
top of the show, I said we are going | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
to be poorer for longer than we
expected but they are just | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
forecasts, aren't they? Yes, but
they are based on what's happening | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
at the moment. Real earnings are
falling now because inflation is | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
higher following the loss in value
of the pound. What the independent | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
Office for Budget Responsibility
have said is we look back over our | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
forecasts in the last six or seven
years, they have all been | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
overoptimistic so it's time to start
bringing them down. They will be | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
wrong but there is likely to be too
optimistic as they are too | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
pessimistic. At this point you take
a ruler and draw a line from where | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
we are but we don't know what will
happen after Brexit, so there's a | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
range of possibilities. It could be
much brighter than I suggested at | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
the top of the show? There is huge
uncertainty around this, it is | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
probably the moment of greatest
uncertainty that we know about at | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
least that we have faced in a long
time so it could be brighter but I | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
think they have taken the middle
part so it is just as likely to be | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
even worse than they are suggesting.
What would that feel like for us? At | 0:27:00 | 0:27:07 | |
the moment it feels like what it has
felt like for a long time, earnings | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
are falling so people are feeling
the squeeze. The worry innocence | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
about the OBR's forecast is they
just think that will continue | 0:27:16 | 0:27:26 | |
broadening server burnings are no
higher than in 2008 which is | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
unprecedented. Can I ask about the
Labour proposal but you can spend | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
£250 billion over ten years and get
that back in greater economic | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
growth. The most important thing
about investing is how you spend it | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
so it is easy to talk about big
numbers and actually to be fair to | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
the current Chancellor he's
increasing investment to its highest | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
levels proportion of GDP that it has
been in at least 40 years so the | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
Conservatives are doing some of
this. If you look back at the 1997 | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
Labour government they have big
plans to increase investment. I was | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
in the Treasury at the time and they
literally couldn't get the money out | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
of the door and that was on a
smaller scale than being suggested | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
at the moment. It's about making
this useful investment, getting the | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
money out of the door and getting
value for money. When it comes to | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
ambitious plans to renationalise
swathes of the British economy, are | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
there upfront costs in your view?
That's a different kind of | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
investment so if you are paying for
an asset, what it's worth, the | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Government balance sheets doesn't
change in reality although the | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
financial numbers will change. The
real issue here is do you really | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
believe these things were work
better in the public sector that | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
that's worth doing? Because if you
look over history, you can have an | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
argument about this but it is not
clear that the case. Stay there for | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
now if you don't mind. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Listening to that was
Barry Gardiner, the Shadow Secretary | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
for International Trade. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
In honest political terms, the
Budget went quite well for the | 0:29:04 | 0:29:10 | |
Chancellor, didn't it? It went well
for him personally but this was the | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Budget that actually admitted
failure and then said, "And we don't | 0:29:13 | 0:29:20 | |
know what to do about failure". But
if you look at the numbers going | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
forward they have admitted growth is
down by half a percent, productivity | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
is down by 0.7% and investment is
down by 1.5%. Instead of them | 0:29:31 | 0:29:38 | |
saying, and this is our plan to get
things back on the right track, they | 0:29:38 | 0:29:44 | |
basically have tinkered with the
economy. All the key things which at | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
the general election they set out as
the major challenges facing our | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
country - look at social care for
example, there was nothing in this | 0:29:53 | 0:30:00 | |
Budget for social care. Their
position is that there isn't a huge | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
amount of money to tackle these in a
big way. Your position is spend the | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
money. Now, our position is grow the
economy, Andrew. Just as in any | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
business, if you are finding that
you are running at a deficit, you | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
have got two things to do. One is
you can either cut your day to day | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
spending, and we have said we will
never borrow to fund day-to-day | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
spending, but we have said we will
borrow to invest to Grow the economy | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
so that as a proportion of GDP, debt
is reduced. That is the burden that | 0:30:35 | 0:30:43 | |
economies face. It is actually
whether the debt to GDP ratio is too | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
large. At the moment it is, what the
Chancellor said is I have no idea | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
how to get that down. In that case,
under Labour, when will the deficit | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
be paid off? | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
Wii has said, under Labour, within
five years, that will come down. We | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
will have the deficit reducing. When
will it be eliminated by? | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
Critically, we have said that we
will be growing the economy so that | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
debt is not the same burden on the
economy that it is. Can you say when | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
the deficit would be eliminated? I'm
not going to say that at all. But | 0:31:24 | 0:31:31 | |
you are attacking the government for
not knowing whether the deficit will | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
be eliminated. Don't put words in my
mouth. I did not say that. I could | 0:31:34 | 0:31:41 | |
have quoted the then Chancellor,
George Osborne, on the 15th of July | 0:31:41 | 0:31:48 | |
2015, when he said that by 2015, it
would be eliminated, and year on | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
year, the deficit would be reduced.
The debt as a proportion of GDP | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
would be reduced. We are now being
told that by 2031 it will be | 0:31:59 | 0:32:06 | |
eliminated. Is that the same under
Labour? You have deterred one of our | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
most eminent economists telling you
that we have drawn a line and it | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
could be on either side of it.
Anybody who wants to forecast what | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
our economy is going to be like in
2031 here, 14 or 15 years ahead of | 0:32:20 | 0:32:27 | |
that date, when we have not even
determined what the Brexit | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
negotiations are going to look like,
would be foolish, and you know that | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
as well as I do. You mention the
Brexit negotiations. Let me turn to | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
the Irish border question. We have
to propositions on the table, one is | 0:32:41 | 0:32:47 | |
the Irish government's proposal,
which is that Northern Ireland | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
should be inside some sort of
customs union and single market, and | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
in those circumstances, there does
not have to be a border between | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
Northern Ireland and Southern
Ireland. Then there is the | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
government and Nigel Dodds saying
that it is important that Northern | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Ireland comes out of the customs
union and the single market with the | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
rest of us. Which side are you on?
What this government has done is it | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
hasn't ruled out remaining a member
of the single market or a member of | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
the customs union. That is what they
have said very clearly. They are | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
going to leave both of those
institutions. We have not ruled | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
those of the table. We recognise the
benefits both of the single market | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
and of a customs union. Once we
leave the EU, we cannot be in the | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
customs union that we had, but with
a customs union, we recognise the | 0:33:40 | 0:33:48 | |
benefits of that, which is why we
have left those options on the | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
table. Unfortunately, we are not at
the negotiating table with the | 0:33:51 | 0:33:58 | |
European Union conducting those
negotiations. No, you are not, but | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
there is only two weeks before this
has to be resolved. In the context | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
of their being a fortnight left,
what your options should be, and | 0:34:05 | 0:34:14 | |
what you think should happen? You
think it is fair to ask this. I do. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:20 | |
We are not the government. All we
can do is to mitigate the damage | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
that this government is doing. They
have been absolutely chaotic in | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
their negotiations. It is an
agonisingly difficult choice, but it | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
is one you are not prepared to make.
It is not our call, and it would be | 0:34:34 | 0:34:40 | |
foolish of an opposition to actually
put out there and say, this is the | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
solution, when we are not in the
negotiations themselves. If we are | 0:34:44 | 0:34:50 | |
at the negotiating table, we can
have those discussions. If Theresa | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
May wanted to move over and call
that election, let us do that. Until | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
we are around that table, it's not
sensible to say what you can get out | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
of the negotiations, because you are
not sitting opposite someone trying | 0:35:05 | 0:35:14 | |
to get a deal. We have to weeks to
go. What happens if we don't get | 0:35:14 | 0:35:20 | |
agreement in those next two weeks?
What happens in the House of | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Commons? The Irish government are
desperately worried about this. We | 0:35:23 | 0:35:30 | |
all are. They in particular are
worried because their economic | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
growth depends on the trade
relations that they have with the | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
UK. It used to be much larger, but
now it's about 17% still. It's a | 0:35:39 | 0:35:45 | |
huge slice of the economy. So they
are determined not to see a hard | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
border, but there are politics
playing into this, and we must | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
ensure that nothing is done that
damages the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
To me, that's the bottom line, and
everybody should keep that in mind. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Thank you for coming to talk to us. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
We'll speak in a moment
to Ruth Davidson, but before we do - | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Paul Johnson - another
couple of points. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
We were talking about the target for
paying off the deficit. It was going | 0:36:14 | 0:36:21 | |
to be 2015, now it's 2031. How big
this is that? Back in 2015, George | 0:36:21 | 0:36:27 | |
Osborne had a target to borrow only
to invest by 2015. He missed that | 0:36:27 | 0:36:35 | |
target by some way because the
economy was growing. It's not | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
because there wasn't enough
austerity. It's because the economy | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
was growing. Borrowing is now down
to where it was pre-recession. It's | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
come down from the highest level by
far since the last war in 2009, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:56 | |
2010, to a more reasonable level.
The worry is, in a sense, is that | 0:36:56 | 0:37:03 | |
debt at about 90% of national
income, is a very high-level. We | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
were always told that 90% was
intolerable, and now we are just | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
underneath it. How much are we
paying in debt interest? Remarkably, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
not more than we were ten years ago,
because interest rates are so low. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:24 | |
It is very cheap to borrow and the
drag on the economy at the moment is | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
minimal because of those very low
interest rates. We don't know at | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
what point debt becomes a problem.
At the moment, we are managing it | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
fine. The worry is, particularly
with slow growth forecasts, that | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
that debt is not going to come down
at all fast. With the uncertainty we | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
have around politics and Brexit, it
may not be possible to borrow that | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
cheaply forever. What does slow
growth mean for earnings? Earnings | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
are not rising at the moment. They
are falling. By 2020, they will | 0:37:58 | 0:38:05 | |
probably be lower than they were in
2008, which is historically | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
unprecedented, and that is making
people uncomfortable. With growth, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
it is income that matter. On that
subject, I am joined by Ruth | 0:38:15 | 0:38:22 | |
Davidson. The government has missed
its target on the deficit and debt. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
This is a picture of economic
failure, isn't it? You have just | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
heard from Paul Johnson that debt
interest is not higher than it was | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
and we've brought borrowing down to
its highest levels in decades from | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
its highest levels post war. We are
two thirds of the way to cutting the | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
deficit. One of the underlying
issues we have with growth in this | 0:38:45 | 0:38:51 | |
country is productivity, and this
budget has sought to address that. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
In 2010, we were promised by your
party that the deficit would be | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
eliminated in 2015. Can you remind
us when the deficit will be | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
eliminated? We are more than two
thirds of the way through that | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
process, not just because of the
hard work of the government, but the | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
hard work of everybody in this
country. We are trying to ensure we | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
have a balanced economy, so we can't
be criticised for cutting too much | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
on the one hand but not bringing
down borrowing on the other. It is | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
about trying to find that balanced
way forward. You didn't answer my | 0:39:26 | 0:39:32 | |
question. On current figures, the
answer is by 2031. That is 16 years | 0:39:32 | 0:39:46 | |
of extra indebtedness. A toddler
watching this programme will be a | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
voter... They will be struggling
with the remote control, trying to | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
turn over to CBBC. They will be a
voter in the election before this | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
deficit is sorted. That is a massive
failure by your government. The | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
deficit was run out before we came
to office. As your previous | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
independent adviser has said, we
have been bringing it down at a time | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
of low interest rates. The debt
interest is not higher than it was | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
ten years ago. We are making sure we
are building for the long-term, so | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
we have investment in infrastructure
and productivity. We are making sure | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
we have the housing we need, the
investment in skills we need. These | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
will carry us forward. A couple of
years ago, you said that by 2020 we | 0:40:31 | 0:40:37 | |
would be in surplus. There is going
to be a £35 billion deficit then. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:49 | |
That is a terrible failure. We are
bringing down the deficit we | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
inherited in a stable way. Barry
Gardiner just gave an extraordinary | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
interview, when he said the
Chancellor had had a very good | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
budget and he couldn't tell you what
Labour's plans were on the economy | 0:40:57 | 0:41:03 | |
on... Or Brexit. We inherited a mess
from a government who didn't know | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
what they were doing and we have
been sustainably bringing it down | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
over time. We have got over the hump
of the debt to GDP ratio this year. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:20 | |
We are the second fastest growing
economy of major developed countries | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
last year. We are investing in our
indeed, infrastructure and skills so | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
that we can have sustained growth.
I'm delighted that you are going to | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
answer some of my questions on
Brexit. Philip Hammond said in his | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
first budget that it was a privilege
to report on an economy that was | 0:41:37 | 0:41:45 | |
predicted to be the fastest-growing
major economy this year. Where are | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
we now? We have seen that those have
been revised downwards, which is | 0:41:48 | 0:41:57 | |
disappointing, but we have
consistently broken some of the | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
forecasts of the future. We are
right at the bottom, with Portugal. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:06 | |
The last year we had actual numbers,
not just forecasts, for last year, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:13 | |
2016, we were the second
fastest-growing major developed | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
economy in the world. You used the
word productivity earlier on. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
Productivity has been a problem in
this economy for a very long time. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
In every budget between 2010 and
2015, the word wasn't even | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
mentioned. Haven't the Conservatives
been asleep at the wheel in terms of | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
getting productivity up again? I
don't think you saw Alistair Brown | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
or Gordon -- Alistair Darling or
Gordon Brown mentioning this. Philip | 0:42:42 | 0:42:50 | |
Hammond has talked about looking at
skills training in his budget. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:58 | |
Technical education, infrastructure,
so that we are able to support | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
businesses and growth, to invest in
research and development, so we can | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
solve the productivity crisis. And
long-term investment... Paul | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
Johnson, your IS contributor a few
moments ago, let me just say this, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:19 | |
because it's quite important. He
said we were headed for 2.4% of our | 0:43:19 | 0:43:24 | |
GDP to be put into long-term
investment. That is the highest | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
level for 40 years. He said it was
remarkable at a time where there has | 0:43:28 | 0:43:35 | |
been great restrictions on the
budget, which shows there is a real | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
commitment to building Britain's
future going forward. Lots of big, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
abstract words, like productivity
and investment. You made your point | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
that yourself. Real wages. People
going out and working their socks | 0:43:49 | 0:43:55 | |
off every day. Real wages are going
to carry on falling until 2025. That | 0:43:55 | 0:44:02 | |
surely changes the entire political
context of this country. We have | 0:44:02 | 0:44:08 | |
been making sure that people on the
lowest wages have had the biggest | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
wages, which is why there have been
rises in the national minimum wage | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
and the National Living Wage. We
have raised the threshold at which | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
you start paying tax. Somebody who
works full-time on the National | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
Living Wage is now £2000 a year
better off than they were in 2010. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:32 | |
That is a real difference, 7% above
the way in which inflation has been | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
rising. People on lower incomes have
had the better time. I know it's | 0:44:37 | 0:44:42 | |
tough. And it's going to be tough
for a very long time. That is why we | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
are doing more in terms of making
sure the wage themselves rise, and | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
taking back less in tax. Turning to
Brexit. There is now a very clear | 0:44:51 | 0:44:58 | |
choice in front of the country, a
kind of existential choice. The | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Irish EU Commissioner, the Taoiseach
himself, has said they want in | 0:45:01 | 0:45:09 | |
writing an agreement that Northern
Ireland will be part of a single | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
market or customs union arrangements
so that there doesn't have to be a | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
hard border between northern and
southern Ireland. On the other hand, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
the DUP has made absolutely clear
that they will not put up with that. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
We know that you are a Unionist, so
what is your view of the situation? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:35 | |
I think it is a false dichotomy. The
Prime Minister has made it clear she | 0:45:35 | 0:45:40 | |
doesn't want physical infrastructure
on the border. Nor should we see | 0:45:40 | 0:45:50 | |
anything that impacts on the
territorial integrity of the UK. I'm | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
going to jump into that and ask you
for a solution. It's not. Dichotomy, | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
if Northern Ireland is in one
situation with the customs union and | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
the single market and the self is
still part of those things, there | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
has to be some kind of order and
nobody has explained how that will | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
be avoided so it is not a false
dichotomy, it is a real hard choice | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
that has to be made by the
Government. Which side are you on? | 0:46:15 | 0:46:23 | |
As you say, we have two weeks in
which it will get pretty tough in | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
that negotiating room. It doesn't
require commentators from outside | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
government like myself to try to
commit the UK governments to one way | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
or another and I'm not going to do
that on your programme. If I may say | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
so, you are doing a Barry Gardiner!
I've had plenty of insults thrown at | 0:46:38 | 0:46:45 | |
me before but I'm not sure that one
will stick. I'm not sure me and | 0:46:45 | 0:46:51 | |
Barry are from the same political
tribe. He was dodging this question | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
and you are dodging it too. We know
this is one of the difficult bits of | 0:46:55 | 0:47:01 | |
the negotiation and we understand
that, but what we are proposing to | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
the European Union is that we don't
have to have an off-the-shelf | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
solution because we are different
case to any other country that | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
interacts with the EU. We are not
Canada, not Norway, because we are | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
the only country that has previously
been part of the European Union, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
that complies with every rule and
regulation that will then sit | 0:47:23 | 0:47:29 | |
outside of it. I know from ten years
as a reporter before I was elected, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:35 | |
and you know from 30-something years
from reporting on negotiations that | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
people who walk up to their
microphones don't always reflect the | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
progress going on in the room. When
it comes to European negotiations it | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
is always a five past midnight job
so don't think that just because you | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
have members of the European
Commission who have a position to | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
defend, and I understand that, that
when you walk up to a microphone and | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
they are speaking to a home audience
that that necessarily reflect the | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
progress going on in the room. And
if we don't get it resolved in two | 0:48:06 | 0:48:14 | |
weeks, how serious is that for the
entire Brexit negotiations? Do we | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
need to get onto the trade talks? I
think it's really important we get | 0:48:18 | 0:48:25 | |
the transitional deal nailed down
for businesses so they know what | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
they are doing next year and they
are able to plan, but I do | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
understand that if we don't make it
through in the next two weeks onto | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
that phase, we will rapidly run out
of time in terms of getting us into | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
a good position by the time that
transitional deal is supposed to | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
take place. So this is quite a hard
deadline in your view? It is hard in | 0:48:45 | 0:48:51 | |
the sense that it constricts the
amount of time we have got to do | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
things if we don't make it into the
next phase. I don't think it means | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
the world has ended but it is a
setback. Ruth Davidson, thank you | 0:48:59 | 0:49:05 | |
for talking to us today. Thank you. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
I'm feeling very old. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
It's ten years since I interviewed
the Archbishop of York, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
John Sentamu, about Robert Mugabe's
regime in Zimbabwe | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
when this happened. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
People there are starving,
a lot of people are traumatised. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
You know, as an African,
as an Anglican this is | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
what I wear to identify myself,
that I'm a clergyman. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
Do you know what Mugabe has done? | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
He's taken people's identity
and literally, if you don't | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
mind, cut it to pieces. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
This is what he's actually
done, and in the end | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
there's nothing. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:33 | |
So as far as I'm concerned,
from now on I'm not going | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
to wear a dog collar
until Mugabe has gone. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
My goodness. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
Archbishop, that is
a dramatic gesture and | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
everybody will observe it. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
Thank you very much
indeed for coming in. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Thank you, Andrew, and keep
my pieces by the way. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
Collect them until the day
when Zimbabwe is free. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
And then we will give you them back. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Well, now Mugabe has gone,
is it time for the Archbishop | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
to put his dog collar back on? | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
I sat down with him yesterday,
and he began by telling me | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
about something that happened to him
in the days leading up | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
to Mugabe's resignation. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
I hadn't been able to sleep
and suddenly Zimbabwe | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
were very, very strong in my mind. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
And I said, "Lord, it's
been going on for a long | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
time, how does this end?" | 0:50:15 | 0:50:16 | |
And then I almost hear a little
voice saying, "Light a candle. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:21 | |
At the end when it burns out will be
the beginning of the end | 0:50:21 | 0:50:27 | |
of the government of Robert Mugabe." | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
I lit the candle, told my wife,
and it started burning. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
It went out on the 14th of November. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Very interesting. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
And then I heard another voice -
"Light another, and when it goes | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
out, Mugabe will be gone." | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
And that one ran out on the 21st. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
What did it mean to you yourself not
to have a collar on all that period? | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
When I wake up or dress up and I'm
getting out of the house, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
normally I tie the top button
and then put on my collar. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:04 | |
But for nearly ten years,
I haven't been able to put | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
on my collar back really, and it has
meant I remember Zimbabwe. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
So every morning you're thinking
Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
And you said to me back then,
you said, "Here are the bits | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
of my collar, keep them for me." | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
Nearly ten years on,
I have got them for you. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
They have been sitting in my desk. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
They are in a slightly
crumpled old envelope | 0:51:28 | 0:51:29 | |
but here they all are and I said I'd
give them back, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
and so I give them back. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
Thank you. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
There they go, I don't know
if you can pull them out there. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
Yes. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
They're all in here? | 0:51:39 | 0:51:40 | |
They are all there, yes. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:41 | |
You have been a very faithful
friend, you have kept them. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
That's lovely, and they're all here. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:45 | |
Do you know, Andrew,
I could attempt to put this one back | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
or I could try and put them
all together using superglue. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
It would be a pretty
ropey collar, Archbishop. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
Ropey collar. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
And I actually think the lesson
for Zimbabwe is the same. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
They just can't try
and stitch it up. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Something more radical,
something new needs to happen | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
in terms of the rule of law,
you know, allowing people | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
to get jobs because 90%
of people aren't at work. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
So they can't just stitch it up,
I need a new collar. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:20 | |
So, here is the million dollar
question - are you going to put | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
a collar back on again now,
Archbishop? | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
Andrew, I promised that when Mugabe
goes, I put my collar on, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
so I have no choice but to put
it back on. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
To keep your promise. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
Absolutely. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:34 | |
Mugabe has gone, but the new
president has got to remember | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
something more new than simply
stitching up a thing. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
Archbishop, you are looking
as you should - congratulations, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
but is Zimbabwe as it should be? | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
We've got a new president coming in,
Emmerson Mnangagwa. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
He was one of the hench
people of Mugabe. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
He is called "the crocodile". | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
Are you convinced that real
change is happening? | 0:52:56 | 0:53:03 | |
Well, I mean he's implicated
into a lot of other stuff. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
He's been denying, for example,
the Gukurahundi, the massacre | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
in Matabeleland and Manicaland. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
He was heavily involved
in that massacre. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
Well, he was the Minister,
the Minister of security | 0:53:11 | 0:53:17 | |
and also he was in charge of the
Central Intelligence Organisation. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
The answer for me and for him is not
simply what he said, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
"let bygones be bygones,"
because people in Matabeleland | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
and Manicaland, who lost
nearly 20,000 people, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
it's as if it happened yesterday. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:34 | |
So somehow he's got to find
a way of sorting it out. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
Now, who am I to advise him? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
But all I would say, he needs
similar to what South Africa did. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
A truth, justice and reconciliation
commission to look | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
into it so that this doesn't hang
over him like a big cloud. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Now, I'm a man of faith. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
I am a strong believer in hope
and therefore a strong | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
believer people can change. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:56 | |
It's quite possible that, you know,
Emmerson Mnangagwa could actually be | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
a very good president,
but he can't simply bury the past. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
It won't go away. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
As you say, you are man of faith. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Robert Mugabe himself said,
"Nobody can remove me | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
from office but God." | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
Now he's been removed
from office, and I wonder, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
is it possible to forgive him? | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
You used to say he should go
to The Hague and face international | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
court for his crimes
against people of Zimbabwe. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Now he has gone and there
seems to be a new mood. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
Even Morgan Tsvangirai saying,
"Let the old man be in peace." | 0:54:27 | 0:54:34 | |
Do you think he should be forgiven? | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
It's not for me, he never killed
any of my relations. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
At the time, the crimes were so raw
and so important but what happened | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
to South Africa with the truth
and reconciliation commission, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
people were able to say
"we are sorry we did this," | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
and Mugabe at some point needs
to say to the people of Zimbabwe, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
"37 years, I took on a country
which was fantastic | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
and nearly took it to ruin. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Zimbabweans, forgive me." | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
You want him to reflect,
look in the mirror, and apologise? | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Yes, because he's a very,
very intelligent man. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
And actually I think he's
capable of doing it. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
You heard him say, "we must learn
to forgive" but how can people | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
forgive you if you don't admit
that was your plan? | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
So he needs to do the second bit,
having asked and done not rather | 0:55:19 | 0:55:26 | |
So he needs to do the second bit,
having asked and done that rather | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
rambling speech a few days ago -
"Zimbabweans, we must | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
all learn to forgive." | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
OK fine, Mr former president. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:34 | |
Can you listen to the things
you have done wrong to us | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
and ask us for forgiveness? | 0:55:37 | 0:55:38 | |
And I'm quite sure Zimbabweans
probably would do. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Cutting up that dog collar
was a very dramatic moment. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
It made me completely
speechless on television. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
Not for the first time,
but I was dumbfounded | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
and I didn't know what to say. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
Did it actually change
anything though? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:49 | |
I think what it did
is that the Christians | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
were galvanised to be
praying for Zimbabwe. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
People realised that some
change needs to happen. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
But hope can take a long time,
and a friend of mine has said that | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
hope is believing in spite
of the evidence and then watching | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
the evidence change. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
We have just watched
that evidence change. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
Archbishop, thanks very much
indeed for talking to us. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Thank you, thank you,
thank you, Andrew. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
Nice to see you again. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:15 | |
Nice to see you again as well. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:22 | |
That's nearly all for this week. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
Next Sunday my guests will include
the actor Matt Smith, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
on the strange affinity
between Doctor Who and | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
the Duke of Edinburgh. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:29 | |
We leave you now with music
from Jools Holland, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
Ruby Turner and Jose Feliciano. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:32 | |
From their new album
'As You See Me Now', | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
here is something I can almost
guarantee you'll like - | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
'Hit The Road Jack'. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:38 | |
Take it away. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
# Woah woman, oh woman, don't treat
me so mean. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
# You're the meanest old woman
that I've ever seen. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
# I guess if you said so. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
# I'd have to pack my things and go. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
# That's right
# Hit the road Jack and don't | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
you come back no more,
no more, no more, no more. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
# What you say? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
# Now baby, listen baby, don't ya
treat me this-a way. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
# Cos I'll be back
on my feet some day. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
# Don't care if you do
cos it's understood | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
# You ain't got no money
you just ain't no good. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
# Well, I guess if you say so. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
# I'd have to pack my things and go. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
# That's right | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't | 0:57:28 | 0:57:29 | |
you come back no more,
no more, no more, no more. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:37 | |
# What you say? | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more, | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
no more, no more, no more. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:29 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:37 | |
# Uh, what you say? | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more, | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
no more, no more, no more. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:44 | |
# Hit the road Jack and don't
you come back no more. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
# Well
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:51 | |
# You can't mean that. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:52 | |
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
# Oh, now baby, please. | 0:58:56 | 0:58:57 | |
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:58:57 | 0:58:59 | |
# What you tryin' to do to me? | 0:58:59 | 0:59:01 | |
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:06 | |
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:08 | |
# Don't you come back no more. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:14 |