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the time. And more on Sir Chris Hoy's bid to forge a career in motor


sport. Hello. Welcome to our look ahead to


all the papser. Isabel Hardman and Owen Jones of the Guardiola. We'll


look at some of the front pages now. We'll start with The Telegraph. It


is leading with comments from the Culture Secretary, "I have let you


down." But the front page is dominated by Martin McGuinness, the


Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, wearing a white tie, as he


toasted the health of the Queen, as this evening's State banquet at


Windsor Castle. Martin McGuinness dressed in his evening finer


features on the front page of the Mail, but alongside is the dignified


protest of the father of an Omagh bomb victim holding a placard. The


Guardian leads with the Culture Secretary as well and the desperate


plea from her Parliamentary aide for people to back her. The Metro talks


about the death of Peaches Geldof. They say her father was a sombre


figure as he flew in from the United States. She is also on the front


page of the Star. The paper claims that drugs and suicide have not been


ruled out as a cause of her death. We are going to start, Owen, with


the Irish Times. Ireland and Britain walking to a brighter future, the


Queen tells the President. The word historic has been used about 17,557


times today and that's on the BBC alone. The fact is, it is historic


and amazing? Of course, there's history involved. Ireland and


Britain have a very full history and for our generation that's often


quite difficult to imagine. The first colony? Absolutely. It was a


colony which suffered brutally at the hands of British rule and that


seems abtract often to some people on this side of the Irish Sea. We


have a legacy which is quite bitter for many people in Ireland of famine


and of colonial rule and repression. There's also a legacy here in


Britain of a huge Irish community aRG usually the `` arguably the


biggest in Britain, and for a long time in post war Britain faced


discrim neighs. Infamous, "Dogs, no blacks, no Irish." They were seen in


shop windows in postwar Britain and here there is also that sense of


some of bitterness with the IRA campaigns. I think this is a


milestone in the sense of the Troubles that are long behind people


and the days of terrorism and colonialism and a new era of


normality. Sure. Isabel, so it all seems fine as far as the two nations


are concerned and the two leaders are concerned? And the governments,


but if you go up to Northern Ireland, there's a coalition there,


but it's so uneasy and in fact, it's fracturing. It is, but I think my


generation are more aware of the desire to move on from the past and


that is something that is emphasised in the Irish Times. One of the


bullet points says, "We shall no longer allow the past to ensnare our


future." When there are problems in Northern Ireland there is a sense


among the younger generations that they don't want these Troubles any


more and actually not every blade of grass in Northern Ireland is marked


by your religious background and your position on the union. I think


there is this desire to move on, which is what this visit is about.


It's about two duns talk `` countries talking about their


friendship. I know we are not looking at the Daily Mail, but you


referred to it there. We have to remember there are people alive who


have real raw suffering. People who love their lives and in the


campaigns and had family members or loved ones who died at the hands of


loyalist paramilitaries and also died at the hands of the British


army, for example, Bloody Sunday. A peace process like this is


difficult, particularly for relatives. When I have been to


Northern Ireland and speaking to taxi drivers who lost loved ones in


situations we can barely imagine here in Britain, but this is what


peace process is always like. There's a sense of you have to make


the sacrifice and the death toll is over 35,000 people, but that is the


end and we can move on as communities. There's a huge amount


of optimism. When I was a housing journalist I covered Northern


Ireland and I used to talk to social landlords in Northern Ireland and


one of the things they do is actually to organise shared space,


where Protestant and Catholic communities live together and that


would have been unimaginable, in the same way that these pictures of


Martin McGuinness having dinner. There is The Telegraph, in white tie


toasting the Queen. Did he stand for the National Anthem? It says he did.


He said he `` it says he toasted the health and happiness of the Queen.


The Sinn Fein MPs refused to take their seat in Parliament because


they don't represent the legitimacy of the Parliament and accept the


reign of the monarchy. You were talking about your time reporting in


Northern Ireland. I think that the idea of different communities living


together as opposed to every patch of land being either Protestant or


Catholic is an unimaginable, or was, a few years ago as Martin McGuinness


toasting the Queen and standing for the National Anthem. So many of your


correspondents reported on Northern Ireland in the tough times still


feel quite flabbergasted by what has happened today and how symbolic and


historic it is. It's not just the last burst, but what they've seen


happening. You couldn't imagine that happening when it was really bitter.


Owen, the fact is, Martin McGuinness, his presence, while it


is look ing to the future and the fact that some have suggested that


he's a terrorist and he was a leader of the IRA in Belfast. He is now


making that switch to peace maker, but the papers have picked up on the


fact that there were demonstrations, small, it has to be said, but he's a


symbol of that past. And it's difficult to get away from that. If


you lose a loved ones in violent circumstances `` ones in violent


circumstances, you are never, ever going to be able to move away. I


would expect nobody would expect that to happen. A peace process like


this and this is the thing, the idea rather than bombs going off across


Britain and Northern Ireland, you have a Sinn Fein lead here appearing


in a State banquet in Britain and also even more strikingly, the idea


of the democratic unionist party sharing power with Sinn Fein. 20


years ago it was completely unimaginable. For people on all


sides have had to make huge sacrifices. There's a long way to


go. Particularly the younger people, some bridges have been built, but


you have peace walls across Northern Ireland and it's still very, very


segregated. You have have a new era of relative economic prosperity and


people investing in formed the way they didn't. I think very few people


with ever want to go back to the past, certainly. But that legacy of


bitterness among all sides, loyalist, Republican and we'll never


get over. They'll be there for quite a while. Isabel, I know you love


this story and I know you don't think it's gone on too long. Miller


as mitts, "I have let you `` admits, "I have let you down she has spoken


for written something `` "I have let you down." . She has spoken or


written something. This is now 46 seconds if you read it out. This is


a lack of wisdom at the centre of the Tory Party. If she had been


contrite and apologised for what had happened, there would be some sense


of an understanding that most peBs of the public ?5,800 which she had


to pay back on overclaimed expenses is a lot of money. You don't think


that The Telegraph and the Times and the sort of right`of`centre papers


would be going with her with all the stuff with Leveson and so on? I


think the link about Leveson was made by her own adviser. It wasn't


made by the newspapers. It was her adviser, so I want to flag that up.


They had it recorded. It gave them a reason to continue to push. No, but


I don't think the row would have been as acrimonious and fierce and I


don't think it would have upset as many Conservative MPs. If you look


at those who have broken cover in the past few days, Esther McEvoy and


Mark Field, everything they focussed on is the way she apologised or


didn't. I think that's what really worries voters, maybe she didn't get


why this looks so terrible. The 1922 Committee meeting tomorrow and that


could be where the big decision comes. I can't remember how days


Alastair Campbell said after a certain amount of days on the front


page of a newspaper you're dead. I think he said it's a ten`day rule.


Alistair's law, ten days. We are approaching that. David Cameron is


quite different from Tony Blair, where I think they would have been


ruthless and dispatched a minister. You could say that is pro`David


Cameron, he has loyalty to the ministers and is loath to see any of


them go. I can't remember how long Andrew Mitchell stayed in power. He


lost it `` over a stone in weight and went through stress in battling


that. The reason this is resonating is quite straightforward.


You have MPs when they're accused of wrongdoing get their colleagues,


some cases accused of similar wrongdoings to judge them and that


sense if you are someone who is accused of benefit fraud and you


can't simply say I didn't know the rules, I didn't know the system, the


state will come down on you like a ton of bricks. The Guardian, Miller


begins fightback. Basically she did apologise, accepted the findings of


the inquiry. As David Cameron said a few days ago, that should be the end


of the matter. This is the private Secretary to Maria miller who sent a


message to her colleagues suggesting this was a witch`hunt over Leveson


and Maria needed their support. Jeremy Hunt when he was having a


struggle in the Commons his PPS did similar things to try to drum up


support amongst colleagues. Unfortunately... He survived. He got


promoted, became Secretary of State for Health. Which shows that was an


effective campaign. The problem is that Mary Macleod didn't operate in


the same subtle way as Hunt's PPS and the suggestion there is a


witch`hunt when the individualser to Maria Miller `` advisor to Maria


Miller flagged the link. She volunteered that link. And made that


as a threat. That's why people are making this link because she did


that. As far as the 1922 committee, meeting tomorrow, they're going to


make the point, some one would have thought, it's those marginal seats,


it's our jobs on the line because the public are angry about this. I


don't think this is going to be the decisive meeting some people think


it will. The executives meet with the Prime Minister before the


meeting and will raise concerns raised to them. They'll go into the


full meeting with backbenchers and doubtless MPs will want to raise it


with him. He may be able to say to them let's sit on this and wait for


recess which I think is the worst idea because they'll go back to


their constituencies and talk to angry voters for two weeks. Their


hope is this will just fuel a general sense of this is what the


entire political elite are like, it will bring back memories of expenses


scandal which implicated all parties. Obviously the danger for


the Conservatives is this will boost UKIP who to a degree are a kind of


none of the above box on the voting ballot. They'll be rubbing their


hands at this. It's a way of sticking your fingers up at the


political elite. The reason it resonates, a fall in living


standards, and MPs nr the top % of earners. `` ` MPs are in the top


percent of earners. They don't regard themselves as much of a


service as they once did. They compare themselves to other


professions paid more than them and saw expenses as a way of topping up


pay to compete with others. I will repeat that an investigation did


take place and they said she should pay back ?6,000 and she apologised


and that would be her side. There you go. You guys are going to be


back in an hour's time. Many thanks for that. Stay with us here on BBC


news, at the top of the hour the first ever state visit to the UK by


a President of the Irish Republic. The Queen welcomes Michael D


Higgins. I am not sure if they're still eating at the banquet. Anyway,


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