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news from the Commonwealth games, as Scotland named their diving and

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swimming squad. Cricket from the IPL as well. That is with me in 15

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minutes after macro `` after The Papers. Hello and welcome to our

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look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With

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me are Kiran Stacey, political correspondent at The Financial Times

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and the political journalist and blogger Susie Boniface, aka the

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Fleet Street Fox. I am a Liverpool fan! Tomorrow's front pages.

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Starting with the Independent. The picture shows relatives waiting for

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news of loved ones following the South Korean ferry sinking. It

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carries news of a breakthrough in cancer treatments. That is the top

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story in the express, including a photograph of Angelina Jolie saying

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that she will give up acting. The news that Britain should be

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unashamedly evangelical about its question faith, according to David

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Cameron. This is the headline on the front of the Metro with a picture of

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the ferry that sunk off the coast of South Korea. The mail is claiming

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that one in 16 patients pick up a bug in what they call" filthy

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hospitals" . The Times claims that pro` Russian militia in Ukraine are

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being directed by Army intelligence agencies. The Financial Times says

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that corporations are lobbying governments not to impose sanctions

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against Russia, in fear of a retaliation that could affect

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profitability. Let's start again, Kiran Stacey, with the times. The

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story that has dominated the news agenda today. It probably will for

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the next few days. There are a few bodies that are still to emerge from

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this wreckage and South Korea. We are getting messages from some of

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the people who were on board. The Metro, which we may see later, has a

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heartbreaking one from one of the teenagers on board, saying that I

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love you, I think we are going to die. What can you say? It is a

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tragedy. There will be questions to be asked, why were people told to

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stay still? Why could no one get out of the situation? Why did sink so

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fast? Was it safe? At the moment I think they will spend the next few

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days trying to fish bodies out of the sea. Obviously, as time goes on,

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the chances of finding survivors, there may be at pockets and some

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have survived for lengthy periods of time after this kind of disaster.

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But the hope is really fading fast. I feel sorry for those pictures we

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have seen of parents on the dockside, they are waiting for

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lifeboats to come in and see if their children happen to be one of

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the lucky ones on their own not. To stand there and wait and not know

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and not able to do anything. It is so far away out at sea, you cannot

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look yourself, you have to stand there and be terrified. The mind

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boggles at how you would feel. Staying with The Times, the

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recovery, that brings great rises closer. It is all good news? It is

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great, and Unicorns are skipping down the high street as well! Stop

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it! The cost of living crisis, per se, it has come to a formal end.

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Wages are rising, at the same rate as inflation now. If you strip out

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people on bonuses, that is not only bankers, but banking clerks,

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salesmen, those earning commission, bonuses are not only in investment

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banks. If you strip out those, the basic wages are still below the rate

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of inflation. It is not amazing. In the public sector it is even lower,

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you are the least important people in the country, as far as the

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government is concerned, and it does not include people going into

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self`employment. Two years ago I took redundancy, and I run my own

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company. I am properly the Tory dream, but pay less tax than I used

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to. I don't pay as much national insurance, I am not doing what I was

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when I was an unemployed member of staff. Why is Ed Miliband the

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Shildon to win the next election? ``shoo`in. A journalist wrote that

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they have run out of corner. The whole election, the drum that they

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were built in, the cost of living crisis, this is a nightmare. It

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was, but plainly, it was going to come to an end at some point. It now

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seems to have come to an end before the election, what will they now

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argue about? They will talk about the attacks on the poor, or the

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disabled, or the bedroom tax. They cannot keep going on about it... It

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is not only the fact that the economy is improving and doing well,

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people are doing better... No? That is Labour 's problem, Labour came in

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and said the cuts were going to completely grind the economy to a

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halt. That happened for a while. Growth started to pick up. They said

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it was not great that was the problem but employment. Jobs began

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coming back, it was not employment that was the problem, but people 's

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wages are not rising in line with inflation. And now that is starting

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to happen... Where do they go? They have a very good case to say that

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energy bills are still high, train fares are still high... But as

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people feel more optimistic, they think things are going to get better

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in future, and they are less likely to think that Labour are going to be

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the party for them. There is no big amazing policy saying that we can

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clean up politics, and own career politicians. There is no big idea

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that we are not the other guy. `` and end career politicians. They can

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try and coast through and be part of a Coalition. Or something. I think

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there are some valid things they could say but it is difficult to get

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across. No they are not, they have to say that those running the

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country are busy. You can say that the economy is improving but look at

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how the society has changed. Look how we are treating the most

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honourable and poorest. Child poverty. That is what this election

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is about... `` vulnerable. These are not big economic changes which is

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what people want from Labour. You could say, for example, we have

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growth now, but look at what it would cost you. It's huge amount of

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money. That would be an economically viable thing to say. It is difficult

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to get that across. Or, they could say, that what has started to happen

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in the last few months is that the government started spending again.

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Not a lot of people realise that the government spending has increased

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overall. You are starting to see the worst of the cuts coming off. What

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you had at the beginning is tax rises. That stalled the economy.

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Once they started being stopped, or reversed, the economy began to pick

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up. Labour could say that. They do not want to give the government the

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credit of the economy picking up. Labour will find it difficult.

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Except for the fact everything is in their favour. They just have to wait

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for the majority. The electoral mouth could help out. This is your

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story, Kiran Stacey, I hope it is a good one up! Business frustrates

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sanctions push? This will not surprise people. We are seeing

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Russia pushing further into Ukraine. `` I hope it is a good one! In the

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last few days we have seen pro` Russian forces, we are pretty sure

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they are Russian forces, in Donetsk. In government buildings. We have

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seen pictures of tanks rolling down streets, with people in camouflage

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and holding Russian flags. The Kremlin and Moscow will claim they

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are pro` Russian forces in Ukraine, as if they have somehow got tanks in

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their back garden in Ukraine when this happens. It is clearly Russian

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orchestrated. What do we do about it? So far, almost nothing. When

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Russian troops cross the border, we will go into phase three of

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sanctions, that means big trade economic sanctions. It means a big

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frown! The people who are really worried by the multinational

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companies. They say if you do this, Russia will punish us. BP has a 23%

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holding in a Russian company. What happens if we put harsh sanctions on

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the Russians, they can turn round and freeze that holding. BP is among

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a group of Western companies lobbying hard for us not to go in.

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It looks like they could win. We have in punitive action being taken.

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It seems like it is big business that runs the world? Yes,

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basically. Go figure. Human rights, and staying in your own borders, and

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being pleasant to your neighbours. International law. Democracy, all of

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that stuff, no, because of money. That is it. That is the rule.

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Russia, China, a few other people, they can get together and roll

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across Europe and the West Hemisphere and BP, it is OK, we have

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investment in them. Do not worry your little heads! Is that,

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fundamentally, it? Yes. If you ask a minister, they would make one of two

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points. British companies are at risk, smaller companies, . You have

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companies who supply the big ones. Smaller companies. That feeds into

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Susie 's point? If he goes into Latvia and Estonia and Ukraine,

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everyone else along European edge, there will be little people who are

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seriously affected. The other question... The rule of

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international law, that is free important. True, but the other

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problem is, would anything we do have much of an effect? What we

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could do that would have an effect would be to go after Russian

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oligarchs here. Who Vladimir Putin relies on a lot. The is... No, we

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are not. `` the problem is. They could sue and it would stand up in

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court. They would say they have nothing to do with the Ukrainian

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problems. The government thinks there is not a lot we could do that

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would be effective. They will do a few things. We have slapped acid

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freezes and travel bans on people. `` asset. Next, we will try not

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inviting them to Christmas! What about the Financial Times. This is

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going to depress you as well! I think this is a brain tidier. New

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Zealand research has shown that, they had a system of honours, it

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shows in some industries, particularly in those where there is

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less competition, if you offer the bosses of those industries honours,

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they do not sack people. It is great. We have a few industries over

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here that have an effective monopoly. Like energy companies and

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train companies. If, all we have to do, it seems from this research, is

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dangle around a few knighthoods, that will do the trick. They will

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stop letting people off and raise prices. And behave like normal human

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beings! Is that true? It already happens. Business people have two

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act. Is it going to really affect strategic vision for a company? A

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possibility they might get an OBE? There are fewer job losses if this

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is a possibility. But wouldn't it be great if they had a bit of a whisper

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and said look, mate, there's something in it for you. That isn't

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all good news. There are shareholders which want companies to

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be run efficiently. Keeping people on in a company dying on its feet is

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not always a good thing. Pensions on Shell. Government telling workers

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when they will die. Basically, in the Budget, it was announced

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pensioners would be allowed to choose what they do with their

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pension money when they retire. There was a big bottle. If people

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live longer than expected, they might be running out of cash, not

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getting the right advice, they can still make mistakes, and it may be

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the state would have to bail people out. That's not great. Unfortunately

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at the time, a government minister said we don't care if people buy a

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Lamborghini with their pensions, that is fine. I don't recall a

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government minister saying that. They did, I'm pretty certain. What

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is happened is they have screwed the whole thing up. Now they have said

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they have had an idea. It is only an idea, not necessarily definitely

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going to happen. The idea is that when you get older, you can ask your

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doctor to give you a predict that time of death. Your doctor will not

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give you a proper health screen, but show you a chart for what the

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possibility is. It is the same as looking at a chart and saying people

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in your area are usually five foot nine. There is a huge curved, it is

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a waste of time. A few seconds on the Daily Telegraph. The PM says

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Britain should be unashamedly evangelical about Christianity. I

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suspect this is a cynical ploy to win over Christian voters who feel

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alienated. They think that food banks are rising, and he is not

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being very Christian with regards to the poor. Also the government's

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policies on things like gay marriage. Maybe Labour should be

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doing this. Maybe, but I have would hope they would not. He has been

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criticised by bishops for his policies, he is now insisting he is

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a very Christian guy. He said that big society was Jesus' idea. I don't

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remember Jesus at smashing restaurants and then throwing money

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to apologise, allegedly. If he is like Jesus, we get to nail him up to

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a tree next Friday. And on that note, in this Easter week, it has

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been great having you on. Many thanks for that. Stay with us,

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because much more on that disaster in South Korea. But now it is time

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for sport. Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm Olly Foster, here's

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what is coming up tonight.

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