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business end of the season and Ramberg will join the Wolves in the

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Premier League. More after the papers.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow. With me are the broadcaster Shyama Perera and

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freelance Parliamentary Correspondent Rob Merrick. There

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will be no mention of swimming trunks this time. Tomorrow's front

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pages, starting with... In an interview with the Independent, the

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Government's Surveillance Commissioner has warned roadside

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cameras are threatening our privacy. The Mail reports allegations that

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British Gas have paid staff bonuses to inflate customers' bills. The

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Mirror says one of the men convicted over the killing of a young boy in

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Liverpool in 2007 has been released from prison. The Archbishop of

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Canterbury tells the Telegraph about his anguish over the Church of

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England's position on gay marriage. The Express says pensioners are

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taking out equity from their homes to make ends meet. The FT says the

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world's largest asset manager is preparing to launch new pension

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products in the UK in the light of changes announced in the Budget. The

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Guardian says the personal financial data of millions of people could be

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sold under plans being drawn up by Revenue and Customs. And the Times

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says a document has emerged which undermines claims by a group of

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Iraqis that they were ill`treated by British soldiers a decade ago. And

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that is the story we will start with. The scandal of Rikishi troops

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left to face a murder lies. A secret papers shows that at users were

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militants. This was a group of Iraqis that have claimed they were

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mistreated and they got quite a bit of legal aid to fight the case. The

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inquiry is still ongoing I believe. It is already cost ?23 million. What

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I don't quite get is whether or not, ultimately, it is a bad thing

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that this went ahead or in a strange way, even if they cheated to get

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their weight into legal aid, it might not be entirely clear in

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this. What has been worth the money? The company that represents the

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Iraqis shredded the original English translation of a document which

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showed that the defendants were members of a paramilitary. That was

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the day before the inquiry was due to begin. This document was not

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shown when legal aid was applied for and if it had been, they would not

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have got legal aid. That in itself is a vital part of this story. What

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I am not entirely sure of when reading this is whether that

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undermines what did then came out of the inquiry. The article goes on to

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say as well that if this is true, that the soldiers had been put under

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incredibly close scrutiny and it has gone on for years, that is part of

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this outrage. And yes it is. In 2007 the detainees and their families

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were refused judicial review and it has been seven years since that

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decision was taken. As you say, what the story says is that the case

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would not have gone ahead because he would not have got legal aid. It is

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a very strong headline. But whether that means that anyone set out at

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the start who says that the murders took lays, or whether it was

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established during the case, that is something different isn't it? The

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issue is mistreatment and that is still ongoing and we know of other

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cases where it has been true. Regardless, most people would say it

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was clearly wrong that the case went ahead and that it was a war and

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these were people fighting in horrific circumstances with terrible

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injuries done. I am certain this will have repercussions. The law

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firms at the centre of it still have 2000 additional claims against the

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administration for unlawful killings and you wonder what the impact of

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those will be. Yes, you wonder whether they will have any merit

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(all. The argument here `` at all. The argument is that the soldiers

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were put through the rigors of an inquiry that they should not have

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had to face. Yes, some MPs are calling for investigation. Clearly

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this needs to happen. These two firms did not show a piece of paper

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that was absolutely vital. We have had Nigel Evans talking about the

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cost of defending himself, and issues around legal aid because

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there are people who cannot get it when they most needed, the idea that

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?23 million has been spent on two law firms `` from, misleading the

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fact that the case, it brings the whole thing under scrutiny. Are the

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wrong people getting money? Now to the interview with the Archbishop of

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Canterbury. Concentrating on the difficulty that gay marriage, now

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that it has been legalized, poses for the church. You have much

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sympathy for the church about Rob ``, Rob, since people of the same

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sex can now be married? I do have sympathy for people trying to see

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the issue through religious eyes. For people who have grown up

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believing that it is a religious institution, it is hard to look at

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it a different way. The Archbishop is one of those people. He spoke out

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against gay marriage and was taken aback by the hostility around him

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when he did it. He is now in a position of accepting it and I

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imagine that is what more and more people will do. They might think

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that the whole issue is done and dusted. But for the Church of

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England it is an ongoing issue. He talks about his almost impossible

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task of reconciling the views of riches church `goers with those in

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Africa for example. I read that the Church of England is conducting

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lesson type services which would feel like gay marriage happening in

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church, so it is still an ongoing issue. The law changes, but

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attitudes take a while to catch up, don't they? The trouble is if you

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truly believe something is wrong, it is very difficult even when you have

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been told that the current thinking is that it is not the case, it is

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very difficult to just change your views simply because the rest of the

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country thinks you should. I stay out of church issues. I am a

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Buddhist and I remember an archbishop a number of years ago,

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who I was sent to talk with. I didn't know that they all were

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different colours so I went up to one and said, " Archbishop can I

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talk to you? " and it was the wrong one. So I stay out of this. I am

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always slightly anxious about people bowing down to a higher force that I

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cannot see. But he has got to navigate this hasn't he? He is the

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head of the Anglican Church as well and as Rob was saying among other

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parts of the word tend to, how can I say it, leg behind? It is a

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difference of opinion though, isn't it? It is not just a difference of

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opinion. There are brutal actions being taken out over the world that

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are covered up by the Church of England and the Archbishop is quite

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right to be juxtaposing what is right against what can actually be

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done and it is a Catch`22. To me, there is a simple solution, but

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obviously you cannot take it. As the head of the church though, he can

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say that the abuse gay people have suffered is an acceptable without

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agreeing with gay marriage can't he? You can stand up for one thing

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without caving in over everything. But this country is accepting gay

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marriage to a greater degree. The Archbishop probably strikes people

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as one of life great optimist `` like's. Let's move on. The moment

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the ferry captain abandoned the ship. This is the ferry that sank in

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North Korea earlier this week `` South Korea. Many still not

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accounted for and we know of at least 20 who have died. The death

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toll is likely to rise and now we know that officers and the captain

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have been formally arrested. This is the last thing you ever expect of a

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captain who is supposed to be the last one off the ship. It is an

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extraordinary photograph. It is so clear and it looks to the naked eye

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as if there is still time for him to go back and help people come out as

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a large part of the ship is out of the water. It reminds one of the

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Costa Concordia when that happened. The captain also instantly jumped

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ship. Perhaps we have watched Titanic one too many times, but you

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are expected to do everything you can to save everyone on board. I

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thought that was what made you a captain not just that you can steer.

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It appears there were catastrophic errors while he was still on the

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ship, many of the children told to stay below deck when they could have

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done more to survive. The story had it all, in terms of his behaviour.

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We were amazed how little coverage this has gotten today. It is quite

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difficult to see as this is quite a small picture, perhaps it should

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have had greater prominence. It is all very interesting with the

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Malaysian plane going down, the focus on that part of the world

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around disasters, it is so interesting and will be interesting

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to see how they are all managed afterwards. Moving on. Anonymous

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financial details cannot be bought by different firms. What uses this

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data, do you know? I would imagine it is of great use to credit rating

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companies and advertisers who are able to look in either Norma's

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detail at this. They can make money off of this. I suppose when most

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people look at these companies, the realise that they do not have golden

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records when it comes to people 's data particularly HMRC. I think

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people might also remember this is on the back of the GP records being

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sold off in a similar way. But there were health benefits their, ``

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there. But if there are clear benefits in that case, where are the

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benefits here? He looked to be eerily financial. HMRC, like all

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public bodies, has had to make huge cutbacks in recent years. We have no

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choice to give in the matter do we? You can look in one area and see

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that there are more pensioners with too little in their pots, I am not

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sure how it works or what they use it for. It may be used to help with

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social support. We don't know but we don't want to take the risk. I think

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that is basically what is being said. To suggest that they can

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practice price dissemination, I don't know how they can do that if

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it is all anonymous. I need an accountant to explain. This is a man

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who is accused of conning his way around the London Marathon. He was

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boasting about the time in which he had done it. I do not know how it

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works. I'm told that on some parts of the London Marathon route, you

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double back. I suppose he could have climbed over a couple of barriers. I

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just think... It's a terrible thing to say but I think it's a very funny

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story. Do you? He got a medal for it. Do you think it is funny? It is

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hilarious! He allegedly ran the second half of the marathon faster

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than Mo Farah. He was uncovered by a man who looks into everything like

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this. And he was not the only person to have done this. He has written,

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with a second`half like that, you must work on your first half pacing.

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The fact that he could go around in two hours and hold the world

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record... One of my friends did it in three hours and that seems

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unfeasibly fast. Perhaps I should get in contact with this man and see

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if he can check up on my friend. Do you think he realised there were

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markers where you are literally clocked? Does he care? I know I

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could probably walk it faster than I could run it, and that is not

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happening any time soon. Thank you for joining us this evening. I will

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be back at midnight with the news. Next, Sportsday.

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Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm Katherine Downes. A

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