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That's all after the papers. Hello and welcome to our look ahead


to the papers. Easy bet Hardman of the Spectator


and Mr Creighton of the Daily Record join me and Richard Walker of the


Sunday Herald with is us too. We'll start with the Met row,


dedicating its front`page to the comedian Rik Mayall who's died at


the age of 56. The Express is reporting on the tomato extract that


could help thousands to prevent heart disease and strokes. The


maximum fine for speeding is to be quad Ruperted, rising to ?10,000,


according to The Telegraph. The Ofsted report into the schools in


Birmingham is the Guardian's main story. It's quoted Michael Gove as


saying schools must promote British values. The Financial Times says


moves from banks have experienced volcanotity in the global financial


markets. The Daily Record is marking the death of Rik Mayall's death.


Alex Salmond says he'll remain as leader if there is a no`vote too.


The Ofsted report features in the Times. The Daily Mail goes with the


story of the damning verdict by Ofsted.


The Guardian, all school must promote British values says Michael


Gove, the Education Secretary, seizes on Birmingham reports. I


suppose the next question is, what are British values? Indeed.


British values, he's paddling as quickly as he can on this day they


have had in the Commons. The reports in the Guardian tell us, as the


Ofsted report tells you, that the inspectors found narrow faith`based


idealogy, inappropriate use of school funds and five of the schools


have been put into special measures and all schools in England now,


because of course this Secretary of State of education in England only


will have to be taught the British rules of democracy, rule of law,


respect for gender equality, that kind of thing. Civic values you


could say. Isabelle, it's the kind of manifesto, I suppose you could


say that a lot of Tory voters would support, potentially UKIP voters? I


think so. I think it's probably not the worst set of headlines for


Downing Street after a week of dreadful headlines from this row


between Theresa May and Michael Gove. It's moved away from


tensionses in the Cabinet and on to the policy and the Government taking


control and on to this announcement of teaching British values, which


aside from this row about the Trojan Horse plot is something voters will


be very much in favour of. Richard in Glasgow, what would you suggest


British values are? Well, British values can be defined


by different people in different ways. Liberty and tolerance, that's


fine, great idea. I think what Michael Gove means though are


Christian values and I think the mixing of religion and education is


not always a great idea. I think you could might be asking some questions


about the relevance of Christian values in schoolsry are


overwhelmingly Muslim. Tolerance works both ways and I'm not sure


it's working both ways right now with some of the statements Michael


Gove is making. That's interesting. If we go to the Daily Express, page


2, the Trojan Horse, invasion of the classroom, that's at the top of the


page but it says crackdown on Muslim extremists in zoos. That's the issue


isn't it, these are schools which are overwhelmingly Islamic and that


is a dangerous dynamic isn't it? Potentially, if you are talking


about British values? The allegation of the charge of the Governors,


Islamic extremists interpretations of religion into schools and we talk


about British values. Richard is here as well, can you imagine if we


were talking about Scottish values, you know, if there were a Scottish


Secretary of State of education saying we were going to have


Scottish values in schools, you know, what are they? How do you


define the notion of Scottish identity and how do you teach the


schools? As Richard said, it's a modern thing as well as a civic


thing. It goes on to religious territory. These things are kind of,


you know, eating humble pie. ? Part of the problem though is that part


of what the British values is tolerance and acceptance of


traditional religion and if there's any viction that's being undermined,


that goes against the notion of what is British doesn't it Yes but that


would be the case you would hope for any School of Any religion. If you


had a hardline Christian school that was promoting intolerance to other


religions, if you had a for right group in a British school that was


promoting intolerance to other faiths, you would hope there would


be a similar crackdown because fundamentally British values are


about that almost lack of intensity where everyone is able to get on and


to agree regardless of what your faith is. That's the case for many


British Muslims, there's nothing on that list that they would disagree


with in terms of respect for one another, tolerance, personal


freedom, all that sort of thing. Sure. Richard, there's a slight


confusion in the mind of a lot of parents in some of the schools


because one of the establishments, Oldknow academy, Ofsted found the


achievement of pupils was outstanding, the quality of the


teaching was outstanding, yet it goes on to say the behaviour and


safety of the pupils is inadequate and the leadership and management


are inadequate. Are those things compatible? There are some odd


findings. Park View school two years ago was found to be outstanding, a


model for other schools and it's found be deficient in every single


category. I don't know what's happened in two years, but something


catastrophic's happened. Some of the examples that we are being told, for


instance of pupils being told the school doesn't believe in evolution,


well it's not just Muslim schools that teach that, there are other


schools in America which teach specifically that evolution didn't


happen. It was reported a couple of years back about a school teaching


that the Loch Ness monster existed so it's not just Muslim schools


which teach dubious facts if indeed the schools are teaching these


facts. Isabelle, is this really a statement on Ofsted? I was listening


to a former Chief Inspector of Schools who was saying today that


part of the problem with the way Ofsted looks at the whether schools


perform well or not is that they have simply a checklist of things?


They look at whether or not proper records are being kept, whether the


teachers are preparing lessons properly and examinations results,


easy to tick, tick, tick, but the atmosphere, you know, the underlying


ethos of the school, that's not looked at and for the first time,


some people are suggesting with this investigation they have had to do


that? I suppose that's the problem with any public service, it can't


just be a tick box exercise that manages to glide over what's


probably quite obvious to the inspectors is a problem. I think one


other thing to come out of this that is positive is the debate about


having no notice inspections. This would be fennel bishop for all


teachers anyway because if you get notice of an Ofsted inspection, your


school goes into mayhem for 24 hours as the school tries to spruce itself


up `` beneficial for all teachers. Once again, this is clever by Gove.


He talks about British values, who can object against that, and he


talks about the snap inspections, dawn raids, anyone outside the


profession would think it was a great idea, I don't know how it


would look if you were a teacher or Ofsted inspector. It's about how


else do you manage the performance, setting parameters and ticking boxes


at the end of the day, but I'm sure Ofsted inspectors and teachers,


there is an element of them thinking about that. Let's move on to the


daily Telegraph, Gordon Brown urges for a debate between the Prime


Minister and Alex Salmond. One would guess you would agree with this? Yes


and we have argued that for some time now. On the one hand David


Cameron is saying independence for Scotland would be a disaster and he


will fight for the union, on the other hand he is saying it is not


really an issue for me, it is up to Scotland to decide. I don't think


you can save those two things and be credible for very long. He has come


to Scotland and issued his edicts. It seems perfectly reasonable for


the Prime Minister of the UK, if it is he says he is passionate about


saving the union, that doesn't extend to a debate with the First


Minister of Scotland? It is a bit strange. I'm sure the pressure will


grow. Do you see number ten caving in? I don't think so. It is


something David Cameron wants to avoid because he doesn't want Alex


Salmond to make this about Scotland versus the Eton boys in Westminster.


Whilst he cannot stay away from it, he is wise to stay away from a


specific debate. Do you agree? Yes, but Gordon Brown seems to be saying


contrary things. He gave a very good speech about how Scotland was moving


away from the parliament to the people. He warned that Better


Together and David Cameron had the wrong idea by train to make this an


argument of Scotland versus Britain. He said Britain would lose that


argument, and at the same time he says David Cameron should have a


debate with Alex Salmond, which is exactly the ground that Gordon Brown


doesn't want the debate to be on. Alex Salmond would be licking his


lips tonight but David Cameron will never give him a debate on less


Better Together were suddenly 20 points behind. It is difficult for


the politicians to do this, they had to come up with jokes and be more


thoughtful. We are dreadful people! We expect jokes but also a


philosophical underpinning, which Gordon Brown did today, he was very


good. You just had to decide which storyline went best, and that one


was the slip`up, saying David Cameron should debate. I am welling


up here, Gordon Brown being bullied by hard`hearted hacks. He has been


doing it not `` long enough... The daily record, and Alex Salmond says,


I will stick around for the 2016 pole. Would you be happy with that?


Yes, if he has a job to do. He is in the job because he got a landslide


result of the last election despite the fact the election voting system


was designed to avoid just such a result so he is clearly popular


insofar as his position of running the country and I don't see any


reason why he should stop doing that if he fails to win the referendum,


which I don't believe he will. A very interesting statistic that men


are divided equally as to whether they will vote yes or no, women, two


thirds at the moment are in the know camp. Why is that? `` no camp. It


would be a very brave man to explain that and I am not that man. I don't


want to sound patronising and generalising. There was one woman in


a piece that Alan Little did, and I am going to ask you is the only lady


among us, who said the blokes probably won't do enough research or


know all the details and they are led by emotion. I also read that it


is because women worry about the household finances and apply the


same thinking to national politics. I cannot give you any insight into


what a normal woman thinks because I am obsessed with select committees


and that sort of thing. It is very interesting, and as we have been


seeing over the last few weeks and months, the yes campaign has been


doing better in the polls, but still at the moment it is a call that the


no campaign are going to win. A young one, Rik Mayall has died at


the age of 56. Yes, shocking news, a young man. Everyone will remember


him, anyone who has ever shared a flat with a few other blokes in the


1970s always had Rik Mayall in their flat, home raging ego who never did


anything. A very skilled guy, he will be missed. A bit like Mel


Smith's last year. The light goes out and he will be fondly


remembered. You are all going to be back with us for another look at the


stories behind the headlines in about an hour. Stay with us because


at the top of the hour we will have more on the Ofsted report into a


number of schools at Birmingham and its implications. But coming up now,


I think they are going to be talking about football in Sportsday.


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