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the host in the last four. And more on the grass court tennis season.

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That's all after the papers. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

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to the papers. Easy bet Hardman of the Spectator

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and Mr Creighton of the Daily Record join me and Richard Walker of the

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Sunday Herald with is us too. We'll start with the Met row,

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dedicating its front`page to the comedian Rik Mayall who's died at

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the age of 56. The Express is reporting on the tomato extract that

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could help thousands to prevent heart disease and strokes. The

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maximum fine for speeding is to be quad Ruperted, rising to ?10,000,

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according to The Telegraph. The Ofsted report into the schools in

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Birmingham is the Guardian's main story. It's quoted Michael Gove as

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saying schools must promote British values. The Financial Times says

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moves from banks have experienced volcanotity in the global financial

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markets. The Daily Record is marking the death of Rik Mayall's death.

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Alex Salmond says he'll remain as leader if there is a no`vote too.

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The Ofsted report features in the Times. The Daily Mail goes with the

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story of the damning verdict by Ofsted.

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The Guardian, all school must promote British values says Michael

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Gove, the Education Secretary, seizes on Birmingham reports. I

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suppose the next question is, what are British values? Indeed.

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British values, he's paddling as quickly as he can on this day they

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have had in the Commons. The reports in the Guardian tell us, as the

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Ofsted report tells you, that the inspectors found narrow faith`based

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idealogy, inappropriate use of school funds and five of the schools

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have been put into special measures and all schools in England now,

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because of course this Secretary of State of education in England only

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will have to be taught the British rules of democracy, rule of law,

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respect for gender equality, that kind of thing. Civic values you

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could say. Isabelle, it's the kind of manifesto, I suppose you could

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say that a lot of Tory voters would support, potentially UKIP voters? I

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think so. I think it's probably not the worst set of headlines for

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Downing Street after a week of dreadful headlines from this row

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between Theresa May and Michael Gove. It's moved away from

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tensionses in the Cabinet and on to the policy and the Government taking

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control and on to this announcement of teaching British values, which

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aside from this row about the Trojan Horse plot is something voters will

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be very much in favour of. Richard in Glasgow, what would you suggest

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British values are? Well, British values can be defined

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by different people in different ways. Liberty and tolerance, that's

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fine, great idea. I think what Michael Gove means though are

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Christian values and I think the mixing of religion and education is

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not always a great idea. I think you could might be asking some questions

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about the relevance of Christian values in schoolsry are

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overwhelmingly Muslim. Tolerance works both ways and I'm not sure

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it's working both ways right now with some of the statements Michael

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Gove is making. That's interesting. If we go to the Daily Express, page

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2, the Trojan Horse, invasion of the classroom, that's at the top of the

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page but it says crackdown on Muslim extremists in zoos. That's the issue

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isn't it, these are schools which are overwhelmingly Islamic and that

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is a dangerous dynamic isn't it? Potentially, if you are talking

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about British values? The allegation of the charge of the Governors,

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Islamic extremists interpretations of religion into schools and we talk

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about British values. Richard is here as well, can you imagine if we

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were talking about Scottish values, you know, if there were a Scottish

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Secretary of State of education saying we were going to have

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Scottish values in schools, you know, what are they? How do you

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define the notion of Scottish identity and how do you teach the

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schools? As Richard said, it's a modern thing as well as a civic

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thing. It goes on to religious territory. These things are kind of,

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you know, eating humble pie. ? Part of the problem though is that part

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of what the British values is tolerance and acceptance of

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traditional religion and if there's any viction that's being undermined,

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that goes against the notion of what is British doesn't it Yes but that

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would be the case you would hope for any School of Any religion. If you

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had a hardline Christian school that was promoting intolerance to other

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religions, if you had a for right group in a British school that was

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promoting intolerance to other faiths, you would hope there would

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be a similar crackdown because fundamentally British values are

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about that almost lack of intensity where everyone is able to get on and

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to agree regardless of what your faith is. That's the case for many

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British Muslims, there's nothing on that list that they would disagree

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with in terms of respect for one another, tolerance, personal

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freedom, all that sort of thing. Sure. Richard, there's a slight

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confusion in the mind of a lot of parents in some of the schools

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because one of the establishments, Oldknow academy, Ofsted found the

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achievement of pupils was outstanding, the quality of the

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teaching was outstanding, yet it goes on to say the behaviour and

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safety of the pupils is inadequate and the leadership and management

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are inadequate. Are those things compatible? There are some odd

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findings. Park View school two years ago was found to be outstanding, a

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model for other schools and it's found be deficient in every single

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category. I don't know what's happened in two years, but something

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catastrophic's happened. Some of the examples that we are being told, for

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instance of pupils being told the school doesn't believe in evolution,

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well it's not just Muslim schools that teach that, there are other

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schools in America which teach specifically that evolution didn't

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happen. It was reported a couple of years back about a school teaching

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that the Loch Ness monster existed so it's not just Muslim schools

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which teach dubious facts if indeed the schools are teaching these

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facts. Isabelle, is this really a statement on Ofsted? I was listening

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to a former Chief Inspector of Schools who was saying today that

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part of the problem with the way Ofsted looks at the whether schools

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perform well or not is that they have simply a checklist of things?

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They look at whether or not proper records are being kept, whether the

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teachers are preparing lessons properly and examinations results,

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easy to tick, tick, tick, but the atmosphere, you know, the underlying

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ethos of the school, that's not looked at and for the first time,

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some people are suggesting with this investigation they have had to do

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that? I suppose that's the problem with any public service, it can't

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just be a tick box exercise that manages to glide over what's

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probably quite obvious to the inspectors is a problem. I think one

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other thing to come out of this that is positive is the debate about

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having no notice inspections. This would be fennel bishop for all

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teachers anyway because if you get notice of an Ofsted inspection, your

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school goes into mayhem for 24 hours as the school tries to spruce itself

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up `` beneficial for all teachers. Once again, this is clever by Gove.

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He talks about British values, who can object against that, and he

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talks about the snap inspections, dawn raids, anyone outside the

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profession would think it was a great idea, I don't know how it

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would look if you were a teacher or Ofsted inspector. It's about how

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else do you manage the performance, setting parameters and ticking boxes

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at the end of the day, but I'm sure Ofsted inspectors and teachers,

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there is an element of them thinking about that. Let's move on to the

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daily Telegraph, Gordon Brown urges for a debate between the Prime

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Minister and Alex Salmond. One would guess you would agree with this? Yes

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and we have argued that for some time now. On the one hand David

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Cameron is saying independence for Scotland would be a disaster and he

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will fight for the union, on the other hand he is saying it is not

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really an issue for me, it is up to Scotland to decide. I don't think

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you can save those two things and be credible for very long. He has come

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to Scotland and issued his edicts. It seems perfectly reasonable for

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the Prime Minister of the UK, if it is he says he is passionate about

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saving the union, that doesn't extend to a debate with the First

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Minister of Scotland? It is a bit strange. I'm sure the pressure will

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grow. Do you see number ten caving in? I don't think so. It is

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something David Cameron wants to avoid because he doesn't want Alex

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Salmond to make this about Scotland versus the Eton boys in Westminster.

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Whilst he cannot stay away from it, he is wise to stay away from a

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specific debate. Do you agree? Yes, but Gordon Brown seems to be saying

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contrary things. He gave a very good speech about how Scotland was moving

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away from the parliament to the people. He warned that Better

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Together and David Cameron had the wrong idea by train to make this an

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argument of Scotland versus Britain. He said Britain would lose that

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argument, and at the same time he says David Cameron should have a

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debate with Alex Salmond, which is exactly the ground that Gordon Brown

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doesn't want the debate to be on. Alex Salmond would be licking his

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lips tonight but David Cameron will never give him a debate on less

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Better Together were suddenly 20 points behind. It is difficult for

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the politicians to do this, they had to come up with jokes and be more

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thoughtful. We are dreadful people! We expect jokes but also a

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philosophical underpinning, which Gordon Brown did today, he was very

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good. You just had to decide which storyline went best, and that one

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was the slip`up, saying David Cameron should debate. I am welling

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up here, Gordon Brown being bullied by hard`hearted hacks. He has been

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doing it not `` long enough... The daily record, and Alex Salmond says,

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I will stick around for the 2016 pole. Would you be happy with that?

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Yes, if he has a job to do. He is in the job because he got a landslide

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result of the last election despite the fact the election voting system

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was designed to avoid just such a result so he is clearly popular

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insofar as his position of running the country and I don't see any

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reason why he should stop doing that if he fails to win the referendum,

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which I don't believe he will. A very interesting statistic that men

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are divided equally as to whether they will vote yes or no, women, two

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thirds at the moment are in the know camp. Why is that? `` no camp. It

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would be a very brave man to explain that and I am not that man. I don't

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want to sound patronising and generalising. There was one woman in

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a piece that Alan Little did, and I am going to ask you is the only lady

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among us, who said the blokes probably won't do enough research or

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know all the details and they are led by emotion. I also read that it

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is because women worry about the household finances and apply the

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same thinking to national politics. I cannot give you any insight into

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what a normal woman thinks because I am obsessed with select committees

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and that sort of thing. It is very interesting, and as we have been

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seeing over the last few weeks and months, the yes campaign has been

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doing better in the polls, but still at the moment it is a call that the

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no campaign are going to win. A young one, Rik Mayall has died at

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the age of 56. Yes, shocking news, a young man. Everyone will remember

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him, anyone who has ever shared a flat with a few other blokes in the

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1970s always had Rik Mayall in their flat, home raging ego who never did

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anything. A very skilled guy, he will be missed. A bit like Mel

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Smith's last year. The light goes out and he will be fondly

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remembered. You are all going to be back with us for another look at the

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stories behind the headlines in about an hour. Stay with us because

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at the top of the hour we will have more on the Ofsted report into a

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number of schools at Birmingham and its implications. But coming up now,

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I think they are going to be talking about football in Sportsday.

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