19/06/2014 The Papers


19/06/2014

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Welcome to look ahead at what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow.

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Welcome to my guests. Tomorrow's front pages. Starting with the

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Telegraph. The crisis in Iraq is the main story. It has an interview with

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the former head of the CIA. The government claims new rules

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introduced could prevent conservative Muslims from being

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trustees of schools. The Financial Times says new IT

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systems have brought some departments in Whitehall to a

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virtual standstill. Faces painted with the expressions

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of the English bands on the front of the Times. Glum, after their key

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World Cup game loss. Luis Suarez console in his good

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friend, the England captain Steven Gerard, by ruffling his hair.

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The Mail reports on a sharp rise in the cancers caused by lifestyle

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choices like smoking and sunbaking. The Express offers some hope in the

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fight against cancer and says vegetables like carrots could be the

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key. The Times first and its coverage of

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the Iraq story. Just checking that I am on the same page as everybody

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else. Of course we have been hearing from President Obama today, talking

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about what kind of commitment the Americans can make Iraq, given this

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march by the Sunni insurgents, ISIS. Special forces head for Baghdad as

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US targets military action. That suggests it's a little more imminent

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and the president said. He said, should the time the right? Now he is

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talking in terms such as targeting and precise military action. While

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at the same time insisting that ground action is completely out of

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the question. It still smacks of the West going on and intervening and

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possibly causing more friction. Difficult when Iraq asks you for

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airstrikes, isn't it? It is but then the Iraqi government itself is going

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to ask for any help it can, when it is facing some kind of civil

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uprising. Problem is that we don't really know what the implications

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are if we do go in, because we have had such bad experiences in the

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past. America we built and trained the Iraqi army. `` rebuilt. It

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disbanded the whole thing and started training them in 2003. In

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2011 the US pulled out. Now we are seeing the whole situation falling

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apart. And they don't quite know how to handle it. I think the idea is

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they are sending in military advisers, which seems... 300 of

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them. A little bit like some ground force, to assess what targets to

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strike, if they are going to strike. But many Arab countries are calling

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for them not to get involved militarily. The military leaders in

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America feel they are in the dark about this and they don't know who

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they will be striking. It's not as if the ISIS fighters where uniform.

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Exactly and that's half the problem, determining who the bad guys are in

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this situation. Also, in aggravating the situation with neighbouring

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countries, because, as you say, Saudi Arabia has already warned

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against any intervention from the West. They are worried it will

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inflame the situation even more. It is one of these awful situations.

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Your natural instinct is to say, you want to help, you want to stop this.

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But maybe the main aim is to at least stop the advance of ISIS. At

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the moment they are just cutting a swathe through lots of areas, which

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is very scary. Very different pressures on Barack Obama from the

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Democrats and Republicans and also little appetite from other

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countries. After the promise of no more ground action, they really

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don't want to see them go any further. But it is difficult, as you

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say. The problem with that is with airstrikes there's the problem with

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the S `` with innocent victims. Michael Gove's rules could prevent

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conservative Muslim being trustees of schools. Community leaders are

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warning that some Watson's would effectively be part of becoming

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trustees or governors. Is that what they want to see, really? This is in

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the light of the Trojan horse controversy as it is being called,

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with quite conservative Muslim is having an impact in the way schools

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are run in Birmingham. I must admit that I don't know if I'm missing

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something here, but what he seems to be saying is that we want to make

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sure that people who are governors of schools do are by high what he

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calls fundamental British values. I think the word fundamental is

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perhaps a bit unfortunate. At the actual issues that he talks about,

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respect for democracy, the law, equality, tolerance of other faith,

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mutual respect, community service, you would have thought that surely

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governors of schools should have those very values. And if somebody

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doesn't have those values, should we be concerned about the education

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provided in that school? I'm not sure that they are fundamentally

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reddish as opposed to fundamentally values of anywhere. It is difficult

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to know what the problem is. Maybe they are worried that people will

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interpret these in ways that might be prejudiced against certain

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groups. I would have thought that if people can't sign up to these basic

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values. bar to Muslims becoming governors.

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They want a diverse range of people from all faiths to serve in

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governing bodies. It is right that we prevent unsuitable people from

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becoming governors. We believe any behaviour which undermined

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democracy, the rule of law, respect and tolerance is incompatible with

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being a governor in a state funded school in England. As you say, that

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seems fairly self explanatory. I would have thought that most Muslims

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would sign up for that. Leeds if you were setting those values, what sort

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of people are setting those values? But you can't argue with those, can

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you? Leeds as you say, that seems fairly straightforward `` as you

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say, that seems fairly straightforward. What is different?

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A senior member of the Muslim Council of Britain says that as a

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matter of principle to have so much power in this that in one hand is

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wrong. To have so much power in any area is dangerous. He suggests there

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needs to be a balance, a governing body in every school. But OFSTED

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have to go and check whether this is happening. And where would they not

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be a consensus? I'm not sure. Maybe we are missing something. May it

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continues on page two? Moving on to the Telegraph. Ministers' passport

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solution. Families should think about taking their summer holidays

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in Britain in the wake of crises at the passport office. This is the

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suggestion from the tourism Minister Helen Grant who was speaking while

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in Brazil. Lucky her. And she is planning a holiday in Spain. So she

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has no issues with her passport. This really gets people's backed up.

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It really does. The tourism minister saying why don't you stay at home?

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That is not the point. The point is that if you have walked a holiday,

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you can't go. If you haven't booked a holiday abroad, you probably won't

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be worried. `` booked a holiday. So people have already decided they

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want to travel, and they can't. That is the problem. It is a classic

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mouth before rain, note thought there at all `` mouth before brain.

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It is true that you can have great holidays in Britain, but if you need

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a passport... You have already bought the holiday and you want to

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go. And disability benefits. This is not the support allowance we have

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been talking about all day, this is a different one. This is the

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personal independence payment which is paid to people with disabilities

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to help them live independently. And replaces the previous allowance,

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which was the Disability Living Allowance. Apparently it is taking

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months for people to have a decision made on their claim. It is causing

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huge amounts of distress in the process. The Independent revealed

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that some claimants have been forced to turn to food banks, apply for

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loans, or rely on charity to survive. Which on top of everything,

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you actually have to put up with in that position, it is an

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incredible... Another example of a very hardhearted attitude. In the

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way that things are being carried out. But the number of things

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involved in the systems which will have to change, yes, there are

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people at the heart of this who are struggling. These reforms are never

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quick, are they? They are always slow and cumbersome and fraught with

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difficulties. And we have such a complex benefits system, that any

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change you make to it throws up all kinds of goblins. You have to feel

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for people who are already disabled, particularly ill, and being told

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they have to wait six months. Terminally ill people having to

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wait. `` all kinds of problems. The medical assessments are being done

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by another body. I imagine DWP was working hard to try and improve it

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or not but it seems to be taking time. A sharp rise in cancers caused

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by lifestyle. The usual suspects, alcohol, obesity, sunbaking, it is

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up to us to prevent this. I saw this at first, and I don't want to make

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light of cancer, but it strikes me that unhealthy lifestyle will cause

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you to become ill. Drinking, smoking... It is the fact that it is

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only increase. We are at figures which should go down and down. But

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how do we do this? We see with cigarettes that all sorts of efforts

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are being made over marketing, which don't always work. Do we need to do

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the same with alcohol and poor quality food? It sounds as if a

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thing is becoming a problem. Liver cancer is up a 66%. Overall cancers

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are up by 27% over ten year period. Interestingly, the North has a

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higher incidence of cancer. There was talk yesterday about refusing

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people treatment in A if they are drunk. All of this has invitations

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for the NHS and what it can do. But there is only so much you can do.

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The incidence of skin cancer increased by 61%. That is going on

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holidays in hot countries. So we should stay at home in the rain.

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Looking at the Daily Express. Carrots can fight cancer. The danger

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is that we talk about cancer as though it is one disease and of

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course it is many different sorts. The argument here is that there are

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natural compounds in carrots that protect it from attack by pestilent

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diseases, and if we could harness that, it seems, maybe it would help

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us. It seems that these cures are a long way off. They hope that these

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polyester `` chemicals in carrots which protect the carrot itself from

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attack, could be used to prevent attacks from cancer type diseases in

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humans. So let us all eat celeriac. I like those vegetables. It says

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they are going to recruit schools of volunteers to participate in a

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dietary trial. If you don't like carrots at the beginning, you might

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at the end. Let us look at a miniature carousel of things. A

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patronising ruffle of the hair by Luis Suarez. The Sun says we are

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through, but there is a huge caveat. It says that if Italy beat Costa

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Rica, and then we score against Costa Rica, we will be through.

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Finally, the Times. Game over, it asks. How might they still make it

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through? Leeds amazingly, if there is a chance that if they beat Costa

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Rica, it seems a bit mad to suggest that the team could win just one

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game and get through, but England must beat Costa Rica, and then we

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will all be cheering on Friday that Italy do indeed beat Costa Rica and

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that the Italians are much better at keeping Luis Suarez quiet than

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England were tonight. Basically, Italy must go through with maximum

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points, and England must hope that they beat Costa Rica by a handful of

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goals. It's possible. It is possible. We have to hope. We can't

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possibly give up now. If there is still a chance, we have to believe.

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It is time for all England fans to start praying. Towards Christ the

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Redeemer. They have paid a lot of money to get there. We will wait and

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see. We can only hope. We are all behind them. Thank you both, it is

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time for World Cup

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