03/07/2014 The Papers


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We had Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor for the Guardian, and


Daisy McAndrew, the broadcaster. Tonight, on the Daily Express, the


story about tighter aviation security internationally. The Metro


talks about a multi`million pound lottery scam. The Guardian talks


about bringing large sections of the rail network back under British


control. The main picture on the Daily Mail of the Canadian tennis


player, Bouchard, celebrating winning her semi`final at Wimbledon.


The i says that extra security checks at airports are likely to


become permanent. Hammers on's tax affairs are being handed over,


according to the Financial Times. The Scotsman reports on a funding


boost that is promised to Glasgow if they vote against independence.


Let's begin with the bomb plot we have been hearing about all day. It


is on the front of the Daily Mirror. .


There is an x`ray, as most airports can do. This man is meant to be Al


Qaeda's top bomb maker. At the moment we are not seeing delays, but


there is a heightened sense of awareness about this new kind of


bond that is pretty much invisible to import equipment. It has been


doing the rounds for a few years, they must have a credible threat on


which they are acting. There was a delay of about an hour at


Manchester, perhaps that is just normal. This chap has been making


this stuff for a couple of years, and attempted to blow up a Saudi


Prince by surgically implanting explosives into his brother. It is


terrifying, on the face of it. But we still wait for any of this


stuff... We don't want this stuff to happen, but it is a kind of threat


with evidence. Whether that is credible or not, the jury is out. If


we do see increased delays, which my understanding is, there are two


types of bombs that authorities are concerned about. New types of bombs,


either embedded within the body, which is why we might be subjected


to these full body scanners, or in laptops. A new type that can't be to


take it, and apparently security officials are already been told to


turn every laptop on and off as it goes through security. That would


clearly increased the delay timers become up to the biggest and busiest


summer holiday time. I'm sure the threat is there, as the Daily Mirror


says, from jihadis, but it also seems convenient that we are hearing


a lot of stories about British kids over there who might be coming home,


and the stories seem to be, these other men, these are the terrorists


who were hiding bombs in their bodies somewhere. It is connecting


what is going on there with security here. Isn't one of the suggestions


for why it is happening now that this bomb maker has recently pledged


allegiance to this new caliphate, these Islamists who are running


rampant across Syria and Iraq. He is part of their picture, they have


extra capabilities and could wreak havoc here, not just in the Middle


East. ISIS emerged, the sky is in Yemen, and there is supposed to be a


deal done. It seems far`fetched to suggest that it has already reached


British jihadis fighting in Syria and Iraq, and they will return to


fight in the UK. There are hundreds of people who have gone from this


country to join what is happening in Syria, perhaps intending for it to


be an humanitarian effort, then they get sidetracked. A lot of them are


going to come home, is it not reasonable to assume that a small


proportion of them may use their newfound skills in a way we don't


want them to. I think they would surely want to, but whether they are


in the kind of league... He is the Western world's number one terrorist


bogeyman. The CIA thought they had killed him half a dozen times, but


then he would pop up again and it wasn't him they had killed. He is a


very special character, and the idea that a lot of the foot soldiers


would have any connection with him is strange. But the threat must be


real, or they wouldn't be putting extra measures in unless they want


the publicity for some other reason that we don't know about. Fury as


banks and Wonga are sending debt collection threats. There is no


suggestion that banks are hiding behind third party names and sending


threatening letters to customers. It seems that a lot of the banks what


they do say is that it was clearly printed in the small print that


these companies whose names or no relation to the banks or energy


companies who were using them to threaten people and get them to pay


up. They do say it was there in the small print, but why make up names?


Stirling Collection was Scottish Power. You wouldn't think that these


were the legal departments of the companies involved, you would assume


that your case had been referred to a debt collector, and that suddenly


you would get a bang on the door, that your credit rating might be


going through the floor. You would be very frightened. Barkley say they


have now dropped the pretence, Lloyds have said they are phasing


out there name of their solicitors, and Scottish Power have said it was


in the small print. `` Barclays Bank. You can't think they were


still in that we face. What I find extraordinary is that they know how


unpopular they are. Since the credit crunch, both energy companies and


banks, they have been public villains. Most chairmen that I have


interviewed have admitted they have a trust issue. We understand that we


have to get that trust back for our customers. You think, wouldn't you


do a root and branch? All departments tell me if there is


anything... I think we just object to them making money. There is a


perception we are being squeezed by energy companies as gas budgets fall


in our bills go up, or banks try to recover their bad landing on the


backs of honest borrowers. And that there has been endless dishonesty. I


think it is fair to target them for that. Let's move on. If the Scots go


it alone will be heartbroken, says the PM. He has been speaking in


Perth today, 76 days tomorrow until the referendum on Scottish


independence. Tugging on the heartstrings and a little sweetener


of ?500 million for Glasgow if they vote to stay with the union. They


have lost a lot of the arguments with the Scots. Rory Stewart, who is


a Borders MP for the Tories, and now chairman of the first Select


Committee, actually said this. We have to use the argument of love,


because we love them and we don't want them to go. He should be


heartbroken, because he might not be a PM. He won't just be heartbroken,


he'll be unemployed as well! You can't go to the Queen and say, I've


lost Scotland, and survive! If it was a yes vote, David Cameron would


not be able to stay as leader of the party and as PM, but ironically the


Conservative party will be bolstered, because they will have


lost Scotland, where they have no votes. Labour will have lost


Scotland where they have many votes. Many MPs are saying, it is


extraordinary, everyone would lose. David Cameron would lose short`term,


the Tories would win in the long`term. On the playground figures


have changed, the emphasis has switched in the last few years.


Social networking sites are the most common places that children are


bullied. It is all hidden away, and parents and teachers are not


necessarily aware of it. It is a phenomena and at the age, isn't it?


Children spend all this time interacting with these machines


which allows them to interact with their friends, rather than


interacting with their friends. To be bullied face`to`face. The last


time I looked, I think Facebook was falling down the rankings. It is a


bit pase, because your parents are on it! I did a big piece last year


about teenage depression, and social networking was part of this. They


have to create this perfect world they live in, with thousands of


friends that they don't even know. It is this online perfect world but


it bears no relation to their reality. The Guardian. State bid for


rail franchises is under late. Contracts are up for renewal, Andy


suggestion that the state could take on parts of the rail network. There


could be a staggered return to renationalisation. We don't want it


to look like British rail used to. I think actually most people have


forgotten how awful British Rail was. Rail lines and rail services


are massively better than they ever have been before. But not perfect.


Not perfect by any stretch. Daily commuters will be testifying to


that. But what sticks in the throat of many politicians and civil


servants is that there is all that money swirling around, going into


the private hands, and it could be going into the Treasury coffers. It


would be popular with the unions, I'm not sure how realistic it is.


Would it be popular with voters? Know, and I think it would probably


dampen some of the Labour argument. It is very popular with Tory voters,


surprisingly. Ed Miliband has had this record playing for some time


about how it is absurd that foreign companies here making big profits


from reddish rail passengers `` British. Of course, he can point at


the massive mess up that transport made two years ago. Something good


came out of it, because the east coastline is now doing well, better


than it was predicted to do. A Labour Party spokesman has said we


will set out our policy at the appropriate time. We have always


been clear we want a good deal for the fare payer and the taxpayer. The


two aren't necessarily the same. People who never use the trains


might think, why on earth should we be effectively subsidising rail


networks that we don't use? We all do that anyway, so we might get


something back. It sticks in the throat, not just that we could get


something back, but foreign governments are all getting money


out of British Railways and British people buying their tickets. So you


can see this sense of it, but as you were saying, it does muddy the


message of Labour trying to get votes. Here we have, a banker pays


Tories a large amount of money for a game with the PM and Mayor. This is


a way of giving the party some money. It is a curious story,


because they were issuing so many denials through the day, until


finally they admitted it was the banker wife of the former Russian


deputy finance minister who paid the money. It adds to this swirl of


Russian money around the Conservative party. Ill`advised


friends. Is she a reporter? One of the problems that politicians and


reporters get themselves into, is denying that part of it is true.


There is the impression that it is not true. It was this man's wife,


and they denied that, she made a big donation. If you buy something in an


auction, this not count as an ordinary donation? Is that not a way


to get around the donation rules? This raised about ?1 million last


year, this kind of thing, so ?160,000 seems quite a lot. That is


the Papers for this evening. And you to our guests, Daisy McAndrew and


Randeep Ramesh. We will be looking at the danger facing the US borders


as it warns of a credible terrorist threat. Now, it is time for World


Cup Sportsday.


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