04/07/2014 The Papers


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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing


us tomorrow. With me are David Williamson, political editor of


Western Mail, and broadcaster and author Dreda Say Mitchell.


Tomorrow's front pages. "No remorse" ` the Sun leads on the jailing of


Rolf Harris, as does the Express, which says victims are launching


compensation claims against his ?11 million estate. The Independent says


a major Tory donor is the favourite to take over the schools watchdog


Ofsted. But critics say David Ross could face a conflict of interest


because he founded a chain of academies. Statins could be used to


prevent breast cancer according to the Mirror, which reports on the


findings of a new study. The Times says the PM has secretly agreed to


transfer more policing powers to the EU. The former News of the World


editor, Andy Coulson, is pictured on the Guardian. He was sentenced to 18


months in jail today for conspiracy to hack phones. And in the FT, after


the loan firm Wonga was caught sending fake lawyers' letters to


chase up debts from customers, there are fears banks could be employing


similar tactics. Let's begin with the sentencing of Rolf Harris, the


entertainer has been said to prison for five years and nine months. This


is how the Sun is reporting it. No remorse, jailed for nearly six


years. Inside the paper as well is a picture of how he got to court this


morning from his beautiful home in Berkshire on the terms, and he went


by boat, to begin with. It is like some bizarre Wind in the Willows


scene of messing about in boats, and then a few hours later being on your


way to jail, which does captures the utter fall from grace that we have


just witnessed over the last few weeks. It is astonishing, and it


couldn't be a greater contrast. It is, really, and the fact that he


joked with reporters throughout the trial as if everything was all


right, and here we go, he doesn't want to see reporters. This is a way


for him not to have to deal with them. If you look there is another


picture of him, and he does appear be smiling and is wearing one of his


trademark colourful ties. It all feels very odd and very weird, and I


wondered, did he take on board the full impact of what this trial was


actually about, really? One commentator said she only realised


how serious it was when he refused to accept any responsibility for it


by pleading not guilty. Now, the suggestion is that some of his


victims were want to seek compensation, but the reporting I


have read suggests that he is not likely to have to pay compensation,


although he will have to pay prosecution costs. There is also the


issue of what next. It is a much wider story of other celebrities who


have been convicted of offences like this. Should there be a wider


enquiry? A royal commission is what some campaigners are calling for.


Absolutely, this is almost like a truth and reconciliation process, in


terms of opening up the history of a past in which there seems to have


been a strange sense in which power, whether it was cultural power


or celebrity, justifies a way of life which now strikes us as both


bizarre and abhorrent. When I was thinking about when I was growing


up, I won't say what era... The way in which some men used to treat


women and young girls, there is a whole feeling about our society. I


hope this is a line about how we have really moved on as a society as


well. The Western Mail has it on the front pages well. Has it really


changed? I think it has. This week, some women in the media were talking


about a strategist that they would use back in the 70s and 80s, when


male colleagues were inappropriate with `` about strategies they would


use. Now, I think a woman would turn around and say, hang on a minute,


that is inappropriate. Before, I don't think women would vocalise it.


They might, they tended to use their bodies to say, don't do that, but


they would be more vocal now. There are charities that look after the


interests of children, but I think employers are a lot more useful


nowadays. Every youth club or school or church is now so aware of the


responsibility of people not to turn a blind eye to something that


appears dodgy. There is another set of sentences being handed down


today. This time regarding the phone hacking trials. Andy Coulson, former


editor of the News of the World, former head of communications for


David Cameron, jailed for 18 months for conspiring to have telephones.


The judge saying some fairly serious things, that he must have known


about what was going on and allowed it to happen and even encouraged it


. I think he must have known, and there is the springboard about


people being in power, you can't just do what you want. The thing


that really sticks is the Milly Dowler story. I think what if that


was my daughter? What if that was your child? How would any parent


feel? I think the sentence he got was correct. There is another story


we must talk about with Guardian, moved to tighten terror laws in the


wake of the writ killing. A great deal of concern about the potential


radicalisation of young men travelling from this country to


either help out in humanitarian ways in Syria and Iraq, and perhaps being


drawn into the fighting. Concern that the government may use a report


next week from the intelligence and Security committee, into the murder


of Lee Rigby in Woolwich, to press for emergency anti` terror


legislation. This causes concern is for civil liberties groups.


Absolutely. The debate seems to be about, although they meet behind


closed doors, which is frustrating as it would be fascinating. How


these characters are able to move with such disastrous consequences


because surveillance was not empowered, was it simply a case of a


bureaucratic disaster? That is the last thing that many people,


especially the civil liberties community, is an arms race of, let's


have another law, without tackling the problem of radicalisation. The


law enforcement aspect is a huge one, but so is intellectual


engagement and understanding the worldview of young people that we


have seen crossing into Syria, that actually religious and political


ideas are so far beyond the Ken of mainstream Britain, that it excites


people enough to put their lives on the line. Isn't it fascinating that


there are hundreds of people going to try to help out or join the so


many of them are potentially, could be radicalised, and then bring the


ideas home. Art precautions a good idea? These young people with their


ideas, and you make a very good point, David, most of them feel they


are doing something they need to do. The issue will be, how do you prove


how many of them are going to be radicalised, and you have to be very


careful that you don't stamp a label on all of them, just because they


believe in helping justice in another country, as they would see


it. For me, there is a bigger issue. Every time we talk about this and we


use terms like UK Muslims as has been used here, demonising a whole


big group of people. I hope, as I said before, it is done


sensitively, and it doesn't stigmatise people who are Muslims,


and people who are British Muslims. The Independent, we have David


Ross, the carphone warehouse multimillionaire. `` Carphone


Warehouse. He has been involved with founding something like 25


academies. This has to be impartial. What everybody says about Baroness


Sally Morgan, who was the previous chair, was that she was very


impartial, and she actually commanded quite a lot of cross`party


respect. That is what the next chair has to do. However, if they are


involved in 25 academies, I don't think they should be able to do the


job. I don't see how they can be a part of it. This man himself, David


Ross, wouldn't be coming in and doing inspections, would he? He


would be a step removed from that. The Department of Education is very


keen to stress that the normal processes are being followed. It is


so interesting that apparently, according to this story, is that one


of the key aspects we are looking for is someone who understands


business, and if you should see and systems. It just shows how much the


education culture has been transformed already. It hasn't been


transformed, they want to transform it. There is a report here about a


parents group saying, hang on a minute, this is not transformational


education. I think this is about politics, and at the heart of it it


is not about education. The Department of Education assures us


that an independent panel will decide and then only recommend to


ministers a suitable list of candidates. The Times. Cameron opens


the door to DNA sharing. Explain to us what this agreement is? This is


something that will make David Cameron choke over his muesli in the


morning, moreover his nightcap tonight. Just a week after


Jean`Claude Juncker and the great adventures there, we suddenly find


that apparently Britain may be co`operating on a DNA database with


the European superstate. It is a grand drama, and Jacob Rees Mogg, a


leading Euro skip it, has this story. Talking about further


surrendered to Brussels, which shows the language in which this is


painted. It will be interesting to know who has leaked this report. We


have been talking about the apparent need for greater surveillance, and


the suggestion there might be more emergency powers. Is this not just


cooperation with the EU? We are talking about a database! What


really shocked me, was that I didn't realise Britain had one of the


largest database is in the world, and I think it is five times larger


than you would find in Europe. Can you imagine you have your DNA on a


database, you don't know who it is being shared with. Because it is


quite complex, they are saying they are not sure there won't be false


hits in relation to DNA. Also, with all be talks we get about different


ethnic groups, black people, how much DNA they have represented on


public databases, I really worry about this and I think civil


liberties groups should be jumping up and down and saying, we don't


want this. But we want to be kept safe. I I don't want someone else in


another European country to have access to my DNA? Do you want them


to have access to it here? No, I don't. Things can end up on database


is, and you don't always need to have done something wrong. The Tour


de France. The cyclists set up from Harewood, just outside Leeds


tomorrow. We have just heard that six riders have tested positive for


Wensleydale cheese. It is nice to see the tour, getting the Yorkshire


treatment. Absolutely, they won't want to leave! Someone I think near


Wakefield, has built an Eiffel Tower to make them all feel at home. I


think it is great. The bigger story is about the kind of doping scandals


that have been going on in cycling. There is a fabulous documentary


about Armstrong that is fantastic. There is the undercurrent of that as


well. Thank you to my guests for coming in and talking us through the


front pages. At midnight, disgraced entertainer Rolf Harris begins his


sentence for indecent assault against young girls. Coming up next,


World Cup Sportsday.


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