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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow. With me are David Williamson, political editor of

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Western Mail, and broadcaster and author Dreda Say Mitchell.

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Tomorrow's front pages. "No remorse" ` the Sun leads on the jailing of

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Rolf Harris, as does the Express, which says victims are launching

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compensation claims against his ?11 million estate. The Independent says

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a major Tory donor is the favourite to take over the schools watchdog

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Ofsted. But critics say David Ross could face a conflict of interest

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because he founded a chain of academies. Statins could be used to

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prevent breast cancer according to the Mirror, which reports on the

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findings of a new study. The Times says the PM has secretly agreed to

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transfer more policing powers to the EU. The former News of the World

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editor, Andy Coulson, is pictured on the Guardian. He was sentenced to 18

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months in jail today for conspiracy to hack phones. And in the FT, after

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the loan firm Wonga was caught sending fake lawyers' letters to

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chase up debts from customers, there are fears banks could be employing

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similar tactics. Let's begin with the sentencing of Rolf Harris, the

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entertainer has been said to prison for five years and nine months. This

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is how the Sun is reporting it. No remorse, jailed for nearly six

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years. Inside the paper as well is a picture of how he got to court this

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morning from his beautiful home in Berkshire on the terms, and he went

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by boat, to begin with. It is like some bizarre Wind in the Willows

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scene of messing about in boats, and then a few hours later being on your

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way to jail, which does captures the utter fall from grace that we have

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just witnessed over the last few weeks. It is astonishing, and it

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couldn't be a greater contrast. It is, really, and the fact that he

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joked with reporters throughout the trial as if everything was all

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right, and here we go, he doesn't want to see reporters. This is a way

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for him not to have to deal with them. If you look there is another

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picture of him, and he does appear be smiling and is wearing one of his

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trademark colourful ties. It all feels very odd and very weird, and I

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wondered, did he take on board the full impact of what this trial was

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actually about, really? One commentator said she only realised

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how serious it was when he refused to accept any responsibility for it

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by pleading not guilty. Now, the suggestion is that some of his

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victims were want to seek compensation, but the reporting I

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have read suggests that he is not likely to have to pay compensation,

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although he will have to pay prosecution costs. There is also the

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issue of what next. It is a much wider story of other celebrities who

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have been convicted of offences like this. Should there be a wider

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enquiry? A royal commission is what some campaigners are calling for.

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Absolutely, this is almost like a truth and reconciliation process, in

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terms of opening up the history of a past in which there seems to have

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been a strange sense in which power, whether it was cultural power

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or celebrity, justifies a way of life which now strikes us as both

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bizarre and abhorrent. When I was thinking about when I was growing

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up, I won't say what era... The way in which some men used to treat

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women and young girls, there is a whole feeling about our society. I

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hope this is a line about how we have really moved on as a society as

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well. The Western Mail has it on the front pages well. Has it really

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changed? I think it has. This week, some women in the media were talking

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about a strategist that they would use back in the 70s and 80s, when

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male colleagues were inappropriate with `` about strategies they would

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use. Now, I think a woman would turn around and say, hang on a minute,

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that is inappropriate. Before, I don't think women would vocalise it.

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They might, they tended to use their bodies to say, don't do that, but

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they would be more vocal now. There are charities that look after the

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interests of children, but I think employers are a lot more useful

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nowadays. Every youth club or school or church is now so aware of the

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responsibility of people not to turn a blind eye to something that

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appears dodgy. There is another set of sentences being handed down

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today. This time regarding the phone hacking trials. Andy Coulson, former

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editor of the News of the World, former head of communications for

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David Cameron, jailed for 18 months for conspiring to have telephones.

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The judge saying some fairly serious things, that he must have known

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about what was going on and allowed it to happen and even encouraged it

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. I think he must have known, and there is the springboard about

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people being in power, you can't just do what you want. The thing

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that really sticks is the Milly Dowler story. I think what if that

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was my daughter? What if that was your child? How would any parent

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feel? I think the sentence he got was correct. There is another story

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we must talk about with Guardian, moved to tighten terror laws in the

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wake of the writ killing. A great deal of concern about the potential

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radicalisation of young men travelling from this country to

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either help out in humanitarian ways in Syria and Iraq, and perhaps being

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drawn into the fighting. Concern that the government may use a report

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next week from the intelligence and Security committee, into the murder

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of Lee Rigby in Woolwich, to press for emergency anti` terror

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legislation. This causes concern is for civil liberties groups.

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Absolutely. The debate seems to be about, although they meet behind

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closed doors, which is frustrating as it would be fascinating. How

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these characters are able to move with such disastrous consequences

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because surveillance was not empowered, was it simply a case of a

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bureaucratic disaster? That is the last thing that many people,

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especially the civil liberties community, is an arms race of, let's

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have another law, without tackling the problem of radicalisation. The

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law enforcement aspect is a huge one, but so is intellectual

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engagement and understanding the worldview of young people that we

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have seen crossing into Syria, that actually religious and political

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ideas are so far beyond the Ken of mainstream Britain, that it excites

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people enough to put their lives on the line. Isn't it fascinating that

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there are hundreds of people going to try to help out or join the so

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many of them are potentially, could be radicalised, and then bring the

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ideas home. Art precautions a good idea? These young people with their

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ideas, and you make a very good point, David, most of them feel they

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are doing something they need to do. The issue will be, how do you prove

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how many of them are going to be radicalised, and you have to be very

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careful that you don't stamp a label on all of them, just because they

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believe in helping justice in another country, as they would see

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it. For me, there is a bigger issue. Every time we talk about this and we

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use terms like UK Muslims as has been used here, demonising a whole

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big group of people. I hope, as I said before, it is done

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sensitively, and it doesn't stigmatise people who are Muslims,

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and people who are British Muslims. The Independent, we have David

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Ross, the carphone warehouse multimillionaire. `` Carphone

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Warehouse. He has been involved with founding something like 25

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academies. This has to be impartial. What everybody says about Baroness

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Sally Morgan, who was the previous chair, was that she was very

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impartial, and she actually commanded quite a lot of cross`party

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respect. That is what the next chair has to do. However, if they are

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involved in 25 academies, I don't think they should be able to do the

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job. I don't see how they can be a part of it. This man himself, David

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Ross, wouldn't be coming in and doing inspections, would he? He

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would be a step removed from that. The Department of Education is very

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keen to stress that the normal processes are being followed. It is

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so interesting that apparently, according to this story, is that one

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of the key aspects we are looking for is someone who understands

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business, and if you should see and systems. It just shows how much the

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education culture has been transformed already. It hasn't been

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transformed, they want to transform it. There is a report here about a

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parents group saying, hang on a minute, this is not transformational

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education. I think this is about politics, and at the heart of it it

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is not about education. The Department of Education assures us

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that an independent panel will decide and then only recommend to

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ministers a suitable list of candidates. The Times. Cameron opens

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the door to DNA sharing. Explain to us what this agreement is? This is

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something that will make David Cameron choke over his muesli in the

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morning, moreover his nightcap tonight. Just a week after

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Jean`Claude Juncker and the great adventures there, we suddenly find

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that apparently Britain may be co`operating on a DNA database with

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the European superstate. It is a grand drama, and Jacob Rees Mogg, a

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leading Euro skip it, has this story. Talking about further

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surrendered to Brussels, which shows the language in which this is

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painted. It will be interesting to know who has leaked this report. We

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have been talking about the apparent need for greater surveillance, and

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the suggestion there might be more emergency powers. Is this not just

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cooperation with the EU? We are talking about a database! What

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really shocked me, was that I didn't realise Britain had one of the

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largest database is in the world, and I think it is five times larger

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than you would find in Europe. Can you imagine you have your DNA on a

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database, you don't know who it is being shared with. Because it is

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quite complex, they are saying they are not sure there won't be false

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hits in relation to DNA. Also, with all be talks we get about different

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ethnic groups, black people, how much DNA they have represented on

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public databases, I really worry about this and I think civil

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liberties groups should be jumping up and down and saying, we don't

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want this. But we want to be kept safe. I I don't want someone else in

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another European country to have access to my DNA? Do you want them

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to have access to it here? No, I don't. Things can end up on database

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is, and you don't always need to have done something wrong. The Tour

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de France. The cyclists set up from Harewood, just outside Leeds

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tomorrow. We have just heard that six riders have tested positive for

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Wensleydale cheese. It is nice to see the tour, getting the Yorkshire

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treatment. Absolutely, they won't want to leave! Someone I think near

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Wakefield, has built an Eiffel Tower to make them all feel at home. I

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think it is great. The bigger story is about the kind of doping scandals

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that have been going on in cycling. There is a fabulous documentary

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about Armstrong that is fantastic. There is the undercurrent of that as

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well. Thank you to my guests for coming in and talking us through the

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front pages. At midnight, disgraced entertainer Rolf Harris begins his

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sentence for indecent assault against young girls. Coming up next,

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World Cup Sportsday.

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