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and Ashley Cole has signed for Roma. The defender has signed a two`year

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deal. That is coming up in 15 minutes.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are Beth Rigby, Deputy Political Editor of the Financial

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Times and John Kampfner, Director of the Creative Industries Federation.

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Let us look. The Guardian is leading with the story that the Home

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Secretary has announced two different enquiries into historic

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child abuse. Relating to the same story, the Daily Mail claims at the

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Home Office gave money to groups linked to paedophiles. The Daily

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Telegraph is leading with the airport security story. You will not

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fly if your phone is flat. It also has a picture from the tour France

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and finished in London. And the daily express describes a major

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breakthrough in the fight on Alzheimer 's with a simple blood

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test. The Guardian, the child abuse enquiry will take on the

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establishment. Ever since the lid was lifted on what Jimmy Savile was

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getting up to, so many more people have come forward and the whole of

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British society seems to have been roped into this and the government

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is acting? As you say, there are two different enquiries announced, the

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first is a powerful public enquiry into how complaints of sexual abuse

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were treated in all public buddies over several decades. The genie is

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out of the bottle and you cannot put it back. This will run and run.

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There is a second specific enquiry about the Home Office reviewing

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allegations of child abuse between 1979 and 1999 but the first one has

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the potential to be an extremely long`running story. They have

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decided to begin to cover this. It is hard to imagine what else they

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will find but as we have seen, in terms of people and personalities in

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the media, these stories, they just run because people come forward and

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when there is any accountability like this, people who have been

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victims and have been silent for decades, they feel that they can

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come out and their voice will be heard. There was a very interesting

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story that the BBC uncovered, there was that documentary where that

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one`time wet from the Tory party was interviewed and he said that they

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would cover it up all sorts of scandals, talking about the 1970s,

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and he said it might be dead or a scandal involving small boys, any

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sign of scandal, we would store up Ronnie points and if we could get

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someone out of trouble, we would. They called it the dirt book. And

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this was broadcast in 1985? There was no Ferrari about the reference

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to little boys. `` fraud. Just the existence of this dirt book, and it

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is quite amazing to cast your mind back to the 1980s and 1990s and

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think about what society was like, and we really live in a society

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where alleged child abuse was accepted? My prediction for what it

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is worth, and based on a hunch, but I think we're going to see a very

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broad swathe of public life, former MPs and members of the Lords,

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judges, who knows, an entire swathe of the British establishment in the

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1970s and 1980s and the early 1990s, and a lot of people, if still alive,

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sleeping on comfortably and thinking, what could come up? 1995,

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that is when I started working as a political journalist in the House of

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Commons, I had spent my previous decade as a young journalist

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abroad. Did you know about the dirt book? I did not. I had no

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information about what anybody was often but there was something rather

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tawdry about Westminster and the building and the strange habits and

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the rituals and there was an atmosphere of portly, middle aged

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men with red faces drinking too much. And to a very large degree at

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Westminster, it has cleaned itself up. But it still feels like a very

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antiquated establishment but I got the sense then of people getting

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away with what they could with and that culture of indulgence. Going

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back to this idea of what society was like, the sex register was only

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set up in the mid`19 90s. And I think something like this, talking

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about Westminster, the establishment was much more powerful 30 years ago

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than it is today, power has been disseminated from white privileged

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men to more and more people. And I think that has changed the balance

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and it has enabled people to bring these things forward and challenge

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authorities and say, what you are doing is not right. The Daily Mail,

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the Home Office gave money to groups linked to paedophiles. This is a

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paedophile exchange. This is in the headlines again. Yes, and the

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interesting thing when looking at the use of the word historic, that

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is one that is much used now, when it comes to individual cases that

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have gone through the courts, whether people have been convicted

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or acquitted, the curiosity is that while all of these actions and

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activities, alleged or otherwise, where illegal, even then, as we have

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been saying, blind eyes were turned and there was that sense of

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indulgence. You have the sense of a much less... Much less tolerance.

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And what condemnation of all of this, judging a generation that

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thought they could get away with it. And that is why that use of the word

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historic is quite important, this is a different era. That is the thing.

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This story, the Home Office gave nearly ?500,000 to groups linked to

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campaigners sex with children. The phrase is, the past is another

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country. Clearly, thousands of miles away, if this is what alleged `` is

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alleged. The Daily Mail have had a very big campaign about this because

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they have find links between organisations and Harriet Harman

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worked in when she was an activist and this particular group, so they

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have a particular drum to bank. What I would say, there is this case

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about whether or not someone from this group actually had access to

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the Home Office. Where these documents alleging sex abuse of

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children have disappeared. There is this connection but I think... It is

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shocking that this was a different time but the bigger issue is going

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to be the first enquiry, the soul`searching national enquiry and

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this is a specific thing. A particular element? In line with the

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campaign they have been running. The Telegraph, you will not fly if your

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telephone is flat. And if you are heading to the United States, you

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must prove that your phone is charged and can switch on and it is

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not a bomb. Inside America, this has been the rule for a very long time.

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They were not throw you off the flight but they would interrogate

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you, why is your phone not charged? They would take it away. One

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slightly mischievous but I had, apparently you will not be able to

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buy new phones or other electronic gadgets at the airport. You can buy

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something completely new, if it is not charged... ? I'm thinking about

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all of the electronic firms in those terminals, they make loads of money

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selling goods... If it is shrink`wrapped? No, apparently, you

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must take it out of the packaging. I do not know what they will do. This

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happened after September 11. Can you remember the chaos? Bottles of

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water? Taking equipment and by phone card, and that has fallen away until

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now. This is a different regime but it does seem to me... I would say,

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can the airport authorities not be more intelligent about how they can

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apply these rules? And apply some common`sense? It will not be

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everybody, it is who they decide is potentially... The old profiling

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question? But when people are travelling, it yields you another

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set of problems and worries that you will have. I haven't charged my

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phone, I will have two which it. `` I will have two throw it away. When

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the story broke one week ago about the enhanced checks and increased

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fears from Syria and Iraq, and all of that, do they not also say in

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that we brought from the US intelligence that the concerns were

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that people were concealing explosives inside their body? We

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haven't seen anything on that? Aspirate and you can put on

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clothing, that was something they are working on. `` a body spray.

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Will those scanners make full scanners for everybody? Will not be

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compulsory? How many hours will it take to get through the airport?

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Staying with The Daily Telegraph... Vernon puts allies back into the

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cold? Really interesting, going back to the Edward Snowden revelations,

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the National Security Agency was listening to the phone of Angela

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Merkel and the Americans were surveying their allies and not just

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former Cold War enemies or particular states in the Middle

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East. The revelation of somebody working for the German services

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being unmasked as a double agent last week. The Germans are

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pushing... The quote that I like is from a spokesman for Angela

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Merkel's party, we must focus strongly on our so`called allies.

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The Germans are fed up with being spied on by her American friends.

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The revelation have phone was being tapped by the Americans went down so

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badly. Barack Obama had to apologise publicly for it. Without actually

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revealing what other world leaders phones they were listening to. They

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get over that and now it turns out they are using some

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get over that and now it turns out they are using kind of double agent.

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And David Cameron needs Angela Merkel. He needs to keep in with

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her. One of the allies, that is true. This is a country where the

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eastern half during the Cold War, they did not think that spying on

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each other. It is a very raw nerve for the German people. Absolutely.

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The far greater emphasis on Reeva Sea issues on data protection

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issues, the Germans and the French and others in continental Europe as

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being cavalier in terms of both allowing states to survey and to

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tap, but also being cavalier about our own approach when it comes to

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commercial companies as well. This will really throw this open. OK, you

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will be back in about 15 minutes. Slightly shorter than usual.

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State Withers on BBC News. On the top of the hour we will have more on

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the Home Secretary's announcement there will be two new enquiries on

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historic child abuse allegations. But now it is time for sports day.

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