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18/07/2014

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have been forced to concede that a Tour de France win is highly

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unlikely. That is all coming up in about 15 minutes.

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This camera keeps catching me by surprise... Welcome to Outlook at

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what they are newspapers will be bringing us tomorrow morning. ``

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welcome to our look. The Financial Times says the US president is

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warning of further action. The father of one of the ten British

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victims confirmed Lays blame firmly on Putin. Pictures of the British

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victims on the front of the Daily Telegraph. The Mirror devotes its

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entire front page to those who died on the flight. The Times says the

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flight was lost after rebels shot down the wrong jets. The Guardian

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reports on what they described as a cover`up. Rebels have destroyed all

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links to the atrocity. A rebel fighter at the crash site, holding

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up a cuddly toy. The headline is the quote: People fell from the sky.

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This is the story that is dominating the front pages tonight and it is

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where we will begin. The rebels have destroyed all links to the MH17

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atrocity, according to the Guardian. Separatists block access to the

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crash site. A Russian fighter holding up a cuddly toy among the

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debris that has been found. James, the concern is that this team of

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experts that have only been given limited access to the crash site

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today, which they are obviously very pleased with, really must get in

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there before the site is ruined by people travelling all over it and

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taking things from it. The Guardian have done a good job. They have

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worked out what the story is. There is not a lot of hard evidence

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around. This story is that there should be experts on site. If you

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want to find out what happened, you should have experts on this site

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looking for evidence to prove one way or another whether the Russians

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were involved. That is not happening. The article makes the

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point that this is according to evidence from Weston `based defence

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and intelligence specialist. There are sceptics as to the voracity of

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even that. Claim and counterclaim. People on social media have been

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saying that they don't believe them either. Don't forget that some

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countries claiming Russia was responsible also tried to say that

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Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Absolutely. It is not

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immediately clear. I assume the experts they are talking about would

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be the observers. Yes, with the OSCE. Yes, but at least we have a

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story from the Guardian that is based on actual observation of

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events that have happened. They were getting the story from closer to the

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crash site. Yes. They were there. And their report is that there was

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actually a stand`off between the OSCE and the rebel commanders and

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that a shot was fired, which gives you quite a good picture of what

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that situation was. And I believe those advisers, those specialists,

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were only on`site for about 75 minutes. They were there for a very

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short time. They had a big argument. And they were not allowed to do

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anything very much and were seen off by gunfire. And some suggestion

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several hours ago that the black boxes on the other devices which are

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useful to investigators are not at the scene and may have been taken

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somewhere else. Let's look inside the Times. Rebels should done wrong

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plane. This suggests that MH17 took a quick and cheap retention not have

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been flying over this particular area because of the violence we have

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seen. `` a quick and cheap route. Some of the rebel groups had tweeted

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that they had brought down what they thought was a military aircraft of

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some sort. Those posts have now been removed, which is why we have this

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headline. This is good work from Times, bringing it together very

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nicely. There is a lot on social media pointing to Russian

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involvement. Pointing to the Russian backed separatists. And if it was

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not as serious... It would almost be like keystone cops. Shooting down

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the wrong plane. You know, if there had not been so many people on

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board... We should not be bringing anything to suggest either way. It's

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an interesting theory that they did want to do it in order to draw

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Russia into the conflict more closely. I cannot see how that would

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work. Another headline about taking the cheap route. Some airlines had

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already stopped flying over this part of Ukraine because of the

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violence but then this article suggests that even at the supposedly

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safe height this aircraft was flying, it was well within the range

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of certain weaponry. I think there is a lot more still to come on this

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aspect of the story. It's quite fascinating. Why was anybody flying

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across that airspace? But I'm also intrigued by the list of airlines

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that are not flying and to see that among the ones that are not going

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across it, Virgin, British Airlines, is the Russian airline.

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And this is a very bad day for Malaysian airlines and their

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business. Were they trying to save fuel? It is cheaper to fly directly

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over that route. The other airlines, Singapore, Air India... It leaves a

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lot of questions. The Mirror is one of a number of papers who has quite

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rightly, one could say, with the victims on the front page. You can

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see the range of people who have been killed in this crash, whatever

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its cause. And hearing some of the stories from the families is so

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moving. We report on tragedies all the time but this one seems to

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really get under the skin. Yes, it does. And these images. The fact

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that because of social media and smartphones, these images are

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readily available in a way that in the past they would not have been.

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And you can immediately see and identify these victims. The Scotsman

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has a similar front page with this montage of people who were on

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board. People of all ages, all backgrounds. A global tragedy. The

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number of nationalities on board has drawn many countries into a conflict

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that perhaps they had been keeping away from and they now cannot avoid

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being drawn in now. Yes. It is interesting that we have what is

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essentially a local paper looking at the global aspect, if you like. I'm

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not sure the picture works as it is very busy but... This is just a

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handful of people. And yet there are hundreds more. Exactly. You get an

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idea of the range of people in the nationalities. It also emphasises

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how isolated Russia now seems. You have the impression that this

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represents the world and all of these countries have been affected.

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It highlights the isolation. On another day, this would have been

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all over the front pages, I'm sure. Because of the crash, it is not.

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Israel and Gaza and what is happening between Hamas and the

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Israeli Defence Force. It has been pushed inside the papers, mostly.

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This is the second page of the Sun. Israeli tanks pound Gaza. After 2000

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air strikes in which 274 Palestinians have been killed, the

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vast majority of them civilians, we now have this ground offensive,

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which has also become a ground incursion, with troops on the

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ground. Benjamin Netanyahu says it will be intensified even further.

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Yes. Apparently, it is to target Hamas's tunnel network and the push

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continues. That cannot be done from the air, it seems. An invasion is

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being used by the other side. It's not good news. It's another terrible

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story. We said yesterday that Benjamin Netanyahu said it would be

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of limited scope but not limited intensity. It just means that peace

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is further away because you create more mistrust and anger on both

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sides. And we will have to wait even longer before we get close to any

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kind of arrangement. I remember Bill Clinton having both sides at the

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White House and thinking, here we go, we are almost over the line.

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That was 20 years ago and it is worse than ever. Egypt tried the

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other day that lasted for about five hours. If you are in Israel, you

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want your country to protect you from rockets that are being fired

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from Gaza. Conversely, how defensible is this in terms of the

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proportionality of the response? But if the missiles are coming at your

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house, it would seem proportionate to you. The state has to protect its

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citizens, every single one. If this is what they think they have to do

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to protect them, it seems proportionate. I'm not saying it is

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but that is the kind of defence. It depends on which side of the

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argument you are on. It's difficult not to see this with the historical

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perspective and the feeling that there is an inevitability about the

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way this has unfolded and is unfolding and the hope that there

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will be a break and a pulling back in the fullness of time. We feel we

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have been here before. The Sun on the same page. The possible breakup

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of the big four banks. The big four banks face a lengthy competition

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probe, a word that nobody ever uses in normal speech, which could result

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in their breakup. Lloyds and the Bank of Scotland are partly owned by

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us, the taxpayer. This has been mooted for ages. They have too much

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power and need to be smaller. This is a very happy story. However, it's

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not quite as simple as that. As ever. It says in the story that it

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may spell the end of free banking for many. There is no such thing! Of

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course there is! You pay for it in other ways, don't you? Apparently

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they have to advertise and be more transparent and shared data. Only if

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you read the small print, and who does, frankly? Once again, this is

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an Ed Miliband initiative which started off great and somehow

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doesn't quite work out for him. Why not? Because he put forward this

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idea and it has been taken up but there is a sting in the tail and as

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James was pointing out, it's not going to be quite as popular as it

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seems at first. But the costs are hidden. It's not that we don't pay

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anything, we just don't realise what we're praying. I just feel sorry for

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Ed Miliband in a way but somehow he cannot get through with his ideas.

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Let's get through with the Telegraph. Buying the groceries and

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a new house. As well as your milk and bread, you can get one of 4000

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new homes that will be built by Tesco on land previously earmarked

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for supermarkets. The reason the land is available is they have been

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stopped in their tracks from building in some places. Yes and

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they are turning it to good use. They are quite versatile. They are

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in banking as well. They are diversifying. Apparently, the land

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around this area is worth a lot of money, so if they are going to be

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building desirable residences on it, they might be making more money than

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from the supermarkets. They certainly would think of it as a

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safe bet. This is the south of England where people do not want

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supermarkets. It's extraordinary. The fingers that supermarkets having

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so many different pies. It's because they're facing competition from

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algae `` from Aldi and Lidl. They have so many strange things now.

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Now, they are selling houses. Thank you for joining us.

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Time for all the sports news. Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm Nina

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Warhurst. Finally

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