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with ease to take her first gold at a major championship. We will also

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cover Gareth Bale's return to Cardiff. That is all after the

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papers. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

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to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are Sam Coates,

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Deputy Political Editor at the Times and Randeep Ramesh, Social Affairs

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Editor at the Guardian. Thank you for coming back.

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Tomorrow's front pages. Starting with the Guardian. Forgive me, I am

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getting ahead of myself. A quick look through at the front pages will

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be showing us. An exclusive from the Independent ` the paper says that

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TEN different inquiries have been launched into Greater Manchester

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Police over its handling of rape and sexual abuse cases.

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This story in the FT, pictures of a Russian aid convoy. That image

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dominates the front of the paper. While a warning from Colonel Tim

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Collins is The Telegraph's front page splash. The retired military

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officer says Britain is failing its moral obligation to intervene. A

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photo of the late Robin Williams found dead in an apparent suicide at

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his home on Monday dominates the front of The Daily Star.

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He was found dead after an apparent suicide at his home.

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The Metro also has him on the front of the paper. The agony of his final

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hours have been revealed. Robin Williams is also on the front of the

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Express. The paper also has an update on its campaign to try and

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end hospital car park charges. Robin Williams is also on the front of the

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Scotsman. It also has a warning ` from the United Nations ` that

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action is needed to avoid genocide in Iraq. While Guardian leads with

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news that we've been covering on BBC News this evening that Britain is

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intensifying its involvement in northern Iraq.

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That is where we will begin our review. Thank you for staying with

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us tonight. Starting with the Guardian. Britain boosts its role in

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combating militants. The question is how far it will go. As we discussed

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earlier, David Cameron has been criticised. Conservative MPs and the

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Prime Minister. The government has been slowly increasing the

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pressure, partly as a response to the public, partly because it

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understands what happened in Syria, which became a big mess. There is a

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number of problems they face. But the decisive response is probably

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the greatest. The question is, we are sending in more military

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material. We have been told that Britain has been sending aid and

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weapons to the Kurds. At what point does the pressure becomes

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irresistible for Parliament? It is interesting, we are moving towards

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military involvement. Ferrying military material from one country

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to another is a big step. It almost suggests you recall Parliament as an

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endpoint. You recall Parliament when you have a plan. The government does

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not know what option they want to go for at the moment. From purely a

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humanitarian effort all the way through to a full on assault to try

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and push back and even defeat ISIS. I do not think the government will

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risk another Syria experience. That brings us to the story that has your

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byline on the front of the Times. But it feels threatened by

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terrorists. What is that about? `` Britain. In short, it is a different

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place to where the public were on Syria. A year ago, only one in four

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members of the public supported bombing Syria. Now we are looking at

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something and little more even ski `` keel. We took another poll today.

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It has gone up to 40%. An interesting margin of error. What

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has underlined, it is a bit more neck and neck. Why is there a

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difference between Iraq and Syria? There is a difference between the

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feeling. 80% feel threatened because of Islamic militant behaviour. There

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is that worried the activities in Iraq may spill over. You do not see

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that in Syria. You have also got a clear enemy in ISIS. The other

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difference is, there are questions under threat. That has been a

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feature. That has been picked up by backbench MPs. And since the famous

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truck on in February, we have had the drumbeat of Islamic extremism

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coming into British public life. That has changed. Things all play

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into this atmosphere that we are under threat. It is definitely

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there. There is the idea that maybe there is a shift moving towards

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intervention. There is an opinion piece by the former Conservative

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defence secretary Liam Fox. He says, public opinion is split on

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military intervention. But this is an occasion where we need to lead

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public opinion, not follow it. He has never been a dove. It goes back

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to that question, is there a plan, and if there is a plan, we need to

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be leading public opinion. You cannot just say, OK, now we will do

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something. The government was suggesting bombing, but they were

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not able to explain what would happen. This is the same question

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that needs to be answered. We may bond ISIS a bit. `` attack. How do

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we contain this problem? Do we set ourselves more realistic goals that

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the public can support? Nobody wants the sense of entering a conflict

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without end. Moving on to the FT. We talked a little bit about this and

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hour ago. What do you make of this Russian convoy? It is quite a

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striking image. Is what is inside the trucks that is the question.

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This is a sign of Putin being a clever operative. He senses the

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western attention is in the Middle East. He has objectives that he

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wishes to achieve. Not least, aiding the separatists, the Russian

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speaking minority that he wants to succeed. Or at least give them some

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kind of autonomy from the Ukraine. He is testing the country's

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resolve. I think the Russians are playing this quite cleverly. This is

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an interesting contrast between the intervention, the action being taken

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by countries like Britain under the label of humanitarian assistance and

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President Putin using the same language in Ukraine. A lot of

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Russian analysts have said it is a question of when, not if he goes

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into eastern Ukraine. You need a screen split three ways. Gaza,

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Ukraine and Iraq. That makes it difficult for the international

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community. EU foreign affairs councils have never been easy going.

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Looking at different opinions on everything from Russian sanctions to

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the position in Gaza and how you deal with Iraq. It is very hard to

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see how you get a common position. And the United Nations summit coming

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up in September. A lot of these positions will have to be thrashed

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out. Let us talk a little bit about Robin Williams. It is almost exactly

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24 hours since the news came through of his death. The Scotsman has what

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looks like a recent photograph of him. A mischievous or beatific

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expression on his face. A what the papers are putting it in their late

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additions. They still think this is a story that has some life in it.

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The way they cover it is interesting. I wonder what to think

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of how people have been trained to a tribute explanations. Is there a

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test issue? `` trying. `` attribute. People need an instant reaction. It

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is difficult when somebody takes their own life to start describing

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the cause of the death to all these things. These are things which are

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delicate at the best of times. There has been a lot of stuff on Twitter.

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People think this is in poor taste. Trying to find out what happened

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clashes with questions of tone. The Times has not put Robin Williams

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onto the front page. We have chosen to look into the issues on page

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three. Some papers seem to be trying to out do, words like Porgera used

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quite freely. `` torture. Is it in some people's minds that he would

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pick up on the sensation? That is not how we approached it. That is

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the accusation that is being bandied about. What can papers do about

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this? They can change what they have on their websites, but there is

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nothing we can do about the paper. There was a tender story when I

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worked in the West Country when a local paper had the headline, Arthur

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C Clarke dead. He was a local boy. It turns out it was the wrong Arthur

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C Clarke. Because it was a weekly paper, it was on the stands for a

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week. This is a bit more serious. There is a difference between

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factual errors, and you can correct those. And there is the clear

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editorial judgement. One of the problems we have to deal with,

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particularly when something like this happens in America. The

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American public authorities act in a different way to British ones. They

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spew out personal details almost immediately. TV viewers often find

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out the gruesome details. It is almost a question for you guys.

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These people are very much secondary to disseminating that. That is where

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the American reveal all culture clashes and little bit. There is a

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difference between the physical details of someone's last hours and

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getting into somebody's mind and describing that is the cause of

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death. That is the problem. Suicide is a different thing. There is an

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effort under way to try and remind the media about some of the

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guidelines they get people to signup to in like this. There is a fear of

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venerating an extremely tragic event. Ending on a happy note, if we

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can. A happy event that may be coming our way. I think I have heard

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this before. The UK's first baby panda is on the way. The word may be

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is featuring a bit too prominently. It is a race between the pandas and

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the whale couple, as far as I can tell. `` royal couple.

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The birth of a panda or the birth of a new nation. I think my money is on

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the panda. I suppose naming the panda cub will be the next step. I

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wanted about maybe Alex. Maybe we could have a public poll. On that

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happy note, thank you both for being with us. That is it from the papers.

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Stay with us. At midnight, a report from northern Iraq, where tens of

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thousands of refugees walked from the mountain range to flee from

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Islamic militants. Coming up, Sportsday.

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