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Now on BBC News, let's cross live to Glasgow for Scotland Decides ` | :00:00. | 3:59:59 | |
Debate Review, with Gavin Elser. Welcome to historic Kelvingrove Art | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
Gallery and Museum, the venue for what has been a very feisty | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
head`to`head between First Minister Alex Salmond and leader of the | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
Better Together campaign, Alistair Darling. A very feisty debate took | :00:20. | :00:30. | |
place between Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling. With me are | :00:31. | :00:40. | |
Kevin, from the Observer. You were meaning yes recently. And | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
broadcaster, Katy, who is a definite no. We go through the papers and get | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
a flavour of what some of them are saying. The FT give some prominence | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
to that debate and says that the clash between Alex Salmond and | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
Alistair Darling was a feisty one. The Guardian has the same story on | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
the front page. The accusation by Scotland's first minister that | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
Alistair Darling sided with the Tories. That's the headline. It | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
claims there was a somewhat bloody confrontation and we will pick up | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
those things in a moment. The Daily Telegraph says that Alex Salmond was | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
said to be gambling the future of Scottish children, because it was | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
claimed he wouldn't be able to balance the books. The Mirror has | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
the British nurse Will Pooley who caught it all in Sierra Leone and is | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
now being treated in London. He is now being treated in London. He is | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
convinced doctors will save his life. The Daily Mail warns that | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
saviours will start `` savers will start putting their money under the | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
mattress again if the taxman is successful in taking money from | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
people's bank accounts. Moving on to the Express, which says David | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
Cameron has promised to go on the defensive as part of his campaign to | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
win power is back from Brussels, as he tries to create a new | :02:06. | :02:16. | |
relationship with Europe. The Times says Mr Salmond staged a "remarkable | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
comeback" in the second televised debate. Many commentators believe he | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
lost out to Mr Darling in the first round. And the Scottish version of | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
The Daily Telegraph also claims that Scotland's First Minister led a | :02:26. | :02:37. | |
fight back. What did you make of the overall theme? The general view | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
appears to be that, in terms of the debate at least, Alex Salmond on. I | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
would say that in terms of the debate, Alex Salmond did win it. But | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
when you look at the audience, the wide audience, what they were really | :02:52. | :03:01. | |
pitching four was the undecided voter. But neither did much for the | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
undecided voter because it was just two men shouting at each other. It | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
was likely. Do you think it changed anyone's mines? Who knows? Only | :03:15. | :03:24. | |
three weeks to go. `` minds? I think Alex Salmond would have referred to | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
in the second debate, closer to the referendum. It was over 1.5 hours of | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
debate. Things are going to get feisty. I'm not entirely sure they | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
were much more feisty in the first debate. There was a degree of them | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
talking over each other and of course we had that in previous | :03:44. | :03:53. | |
debates. This is to be expected. The stakes are very high, it is | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
emotional and impassioned. That's come across in the coverage of the | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
papers that we are looking at. There were no breaks in this one. What we | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
got was 1.5 hours of the debate, without any kind of let up. That | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
perhaps made it seem more aggressive and more feisty and noisy. Let's | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
have a look at the Scottish Telegraph. The headline says, sound | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
and fury as Scotland fights buck. It also has, Kevin, there's still no | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
answer to who will the bills. This strikes me. Going up Scotland, | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
people say they want more information. There's been a lot of | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
information out there but it seems some people still think we don't | :04:42. | :04:51. | |
know whose sums add up. This is quite a regular choke of the | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
Telegraph, being the flagship of the Unionist newspapers. They are going | :04:58. | :05:08. | |
reheat that argument. I thought Alex Salmond did much better on | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
currency, where he struggled the last time. I'm not sure he | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
absolutely answered the question of plan B but he did come up with a | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
better narrative. I thought it was quite skilful for him to put | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
Alistair Darling on the back foot by saying that in the one point `` 1.5 | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
years of negotiations following a possible yes vote, will Alistair | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
Darling be fighting to Scotland's best interests. Not just the first | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
minister and yes campaign but various independent financial | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
academics have said a currency union is the best for the UK. That's an | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
interesting point and it was something picked up at least in time | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
at one Alex Salmond said at the end that if it's a no vote I will accept | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
it, if it's a yes vote it is keen Scotland and we would like great | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
players of a team like Alistair Darling. I thought that was a rather | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
further movement, to try to bring him onto his team. Alex Salmond is | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
great with the lines, at Alistair Darling pointed out. He has very | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
good lines but not that many answers. I thought that was but that | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
was perhaps quite heartening and a very clever move by Alex Salmond. | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
The yes campaign has been very clever. And this in a very clever | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
move by Alex Salmond. The yes campaign has been very clever. Heavy | :06:30. | :06:39. | |
are you yes, yet? They want to suggest we will all be together when | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
it is done. But I do feel we didn't get many answers and, unlike Kevin, | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
the currency thing is a big thing, perhaps there was too much made of | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
it in this debate when there were other things we could not spoken | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
about, but it is still true that if we have a currency union the Bank of | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
England will set interest rates and restrict Scottish independence. This | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
is something which Alex Salmond never addresses. He just talks about | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
the currency as if it were just the pound in your pocket. I would have | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
liked to see the first minister say that, yes, I do take some of Katy's | :07:12. | :07:22. | |
points, but in Scotland there are almost 1 million people living below | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
the poverty line. Including 250,000 children in Glasgow, this city. For | :07:26. | :07:34. | |
these people, issues regarding the currency. Of. They will take any | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
currency that allows them access to it. `` currency... They will take | :07:40. | :07:48. | |
any. If they can get out, they could end up deciding the destination of | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
this. That's an interesting point. Let's have a look at the Times' | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
headline. It says that Alex Salmond strikes back. It was something Alex | :08:01. | :08:12. | |
Salmond suggested was something that needed questioning. He said, how | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
many people would be in poverty? That plays a chord with a lot of | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
people in the middle who have not yet made up their minds. Alex | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
Salmond really, as the Times says, he really picked up on this debate | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
and he had thought very carefully about what the sorts of things work | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
that would put Alistair Darling on the back foot. He couldn't answer | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
how many people were in poverty, Mr Darling. Even though most | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
journalists wouldn't have a clue. Yes... But when you are debating | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
Alex Salmond... You know! I thought Alex Salmond came into this debate | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
determined not to lose. How do you win? You can make one point bye | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
asking a question you know your opponent will not know. `` by | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
asking. The Guardian is in a similar area. This is a point that really | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
does play into this narrative we are talking about. It is pretty hard in | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
a country where, although there are many Conservative voters but few | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
Conservative MPs in Westminster, they won. This could be a fatal | :09:28. | :09:36. | |
tactical error by the Labour Party in Scotland and England. I believe | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
that at the outset of this campaign, if the Labour Party had | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
refused to share a platform with the Conservatives, knowing that | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
emotionally it would have a negative impact on the Scottish electorate, | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
if the Labour Party had decoupled itself from the Conservative side | :09:55. | :10:07. | |
and said, we will guarantee this but here specifically the powers we will | :10:08. | :10:18. | |
give to Holyrood. We are talking in terms of the last figure I saw, | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
again I don't know how scientific these are, more than 30% of the | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
Labour Party voters are going to vote yes. If that's true, most of | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
those voters wouldn't be voting yes if their own party had not sided | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
with the Conservatives and had said we will guarantee extra powers and | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
here is what they are. I thought, Katy, this section, where constantly | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
the first minister was seen to Alistair Darling, you are basically | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
a Tory, you signed on to this, which of course Alistair Darling did we | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
present, that was a very songs `` strong section for the first | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
minister. I thought it was strong and unfair. I thought it was unfair | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
and I thought what Alistair Darling did, which I felt unattractive | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
will, was to go on and on. `` Alex Salmond did. He didn't let Alistair | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
Darling reply. Perhaps to some that was effective but it wasn't me. One | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
of the things that really puts me off his style of debating is that he | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
doesn't even acknowledge that there is any risk, that things might be | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
difficult in Scotland, that there might be difficult decisions to take | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
about where money goes and where it is spent and that I don't find at | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
all reassuring. I think that if Alex Salmond did say in independent | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
Scotland things might be difficult for bit, then I think that maybe I | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
There is a terrible mixup here There is a terrible mixup here | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
always between party policy and the independence debate and we saw that | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
in the white paper, where some of it was just SNP policy and other stuff | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
was about independence. We saw that leaking into the debate, where | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
Alistair Darling wasn't allowed by Alex Salmond to be at Labour Party | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
politician. He was just in bed with everybody who was in the Better | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Together campaign. We also have a headline from the Scotsman. I have | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
it here. It says, the heat turned up in seconds TV debate. The final | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
debate sparked heated exchanges last night as the countdown to September | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
the 18th intensified. There we have it. There's a picture of the two | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
men. I was all this `` also struck that Alistair Darling constantly | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
raised doubts, used the word risks are lot. The first minister had to | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
talk more in terms of certainties. That presumably is because you were | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
selling in a sense the unknown, selling what could be seen as a more | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
exciting way forward because it will have more risks, but you have to be | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
seen to be certain about it. I can see Alex Salmond's points, he does | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
have two stage manage the events like this. But, on the other hand, I | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
was disappointed with Alistair Darling because they feel that even | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
if I do divide `` do decide to vote yes, I personally could come up with | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
a dozen better reasons to stay in the union then I've heard from | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
Alistair Darling over two debates. Go on! , with a couple. I like | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
England and I like English people. I've worked in England, England is | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
one of the best countries in the world. We have so much shared | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
history, so much shared culture. Everywhere you look, as well as a | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
shared language. We've been through a lot together through thick and | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
thin but it's whether you think that some of the institutions of the | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
union which have served both countries quite well over the last | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
300 and odd years have now perhaps run their course. And whether you | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
think Scotland now has got more confidence in the economy and much | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
of that has been derived from a very successful running of the devolution | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
project and also because roughly, since Margaret Thatcher's time, | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
Scotland's voting parties have diverged from England. It is a more | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
different country than it was before. | :14:26. | :14:42. | |
Another lifeline may be thrown by independence, if it comes. Voting | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
patterns will then change again. I agree with Kevin, I could have | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
thought up the masses of reasons to stay in the union. They will have to | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
be an immigration border, if immigration policy diverges from | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
England's. England will become a competitor, not a partner. There are | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
lots of reasons to remain in the union, not one of which, I quite | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
agree with, was put into Alistair Darling's closing statement, because | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
I think a good case can be made for the union, so it is a shame. You | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
have been covering this for a long time. The final straight, three | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
weeks ago. That is a normal British general election campaign, and we | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
know things can change completely. We see what the polls say, not about | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
who won tonight, but we see that they show yes is significantly | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
behind. I think the Nationalists will point to 2011, when with four | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
or five weeks to go the Labour Party in Scotland was 15 or 16 points | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
ahead. At that point, the strategists were saying that their | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
own internal polling was showing something much more optimistic, to | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
the extent that even the first minister himself said he didn't feel | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
he could trust his own internal polling. Until that night, when | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
every single aspect of the Holyrood system was overthrown. Remember, the | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
Holyrood system must established to prevent one party having an overall | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
majority. That happened, despite the fact there were 15 points in it with | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
three or four weeks ago. They have had a more strong and smooth | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
electoral machine, and they seem to have something that the no campaign | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
don't have, which is reaching the undecided people. They seem to have | :16:43. | :16:52. | |
more information. They have been very organised in doing that, and | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
have a very well`run system doing that. They have been well organised | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
the yes campaigners are noisier, they are noisier because they have | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
something to prove, somewhere to go. There will be a lot of silent Better | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
Together voters who haven't yet said anything. When people go to the | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
door, they think, we don't know, but I think in fact they will vote no, | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
because it is quite difficult in Scotland at the moment to say you | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
are going to vote no. It sounds very negative. I would say that last week | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
will incredibly important. Just three weeks to go. I get my personal | :17:40. | :17:50. | |
vote tomorrow. That's right, so some votes will be in by the end of the | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
week. We will keep you up`to`date with all of the developments on the | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
news channel, and on the BBC website. | :17:57. | :18:05. | |
We will have 20 more coverage on the debate, here on BBC News, not just | :18:06. | :18:15. | |
tonight but into tomorrow | :18:16. | :18:16. |