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We will be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment.


First the headlines at 11:30pm: High security on the streets of Paris


tonight, as new footage emerges of police exchanging fire with


Prosecutors confirmed 129 are dead and 350 injured, many critically.


Eight gunmen wearing suicide vests targeted half a dozen venues.


Seven of the gunmen blew themselves up.


David Cameron says Britain's terror threat remains at severe level, but


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers


With me are French-Algerian journalist Nabila Ramdani,


Robert Fox, defence editor for the London Evening Standard,


and joining us from our Paris bureau is France 24's Leela Jacinto.


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with some of the French papers.


Sorrow and Anger is the headline on Le Figaro.


Liberation has a dramatic front page.


It has publishing a special edition about the events in Paris.


In the British papers, the Sunday Telegraph has a striking


picture of people hanging out of windows to escape the attackers.


The Observer focuses on the investigation into those


behind the attacks, saying three people have been arrested.


The Daily Mail claims the attackers entered Europe as fake refugees.


The Sunday Express says the SAS is on the streets of London,


The Sunday Times has pictures of the first victims to be named, including


Briton Nick Alexander, who worked for the band playing at the Bataclan


And the Independent asks "how did it happen and what happens next?"


They are questions many of the newspapers try to find the answers


to as well. Let's go to Paris. Many of the French newspapers really have


had their first proper opportunity to digests what happened in Paris,


and react and ask those questions. And the -- Le Figaro focusing on


those questions. What is really striking is how different these


attacks were to the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The slogan, Je Suis


Charlie. It is a very defiant spirit here. If you see Le Figaro, which


has a right of centre newspaper, the lower the sorrow and anger, there is


we will win the war. So that is a theme that I am seeing this time


that I didn't really see after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Is how


newspapers like Le Figaro are reporting on the events of Paris, is


that changing as well? Is there a different tone? No, on the reporting


it has been pretty straightforward. All of Saturday they were... You


know, most of the news was driven by information coming from police


sources, which was actually confirmed later this evening when


the Paris prosecutor had a press briefing. So, you know, it has been


very much focused on what happened. And of course, a lot of victims


stories. Because this is a part of Paris that... Paris is not a very


large city, so it has touched a lot of Peruvians. What do you make of Le


Figaro? So many British papers focus on the investigations, the reactions


-- Parisians. We will get on to the British papers at the moment, Le


Figaro very much focusing on the grief. Indeed, it is a very


passionate editorial, it has to be said, and a very belligerent


headline. The nation at war. It goes into how France was lured into this


false sense of security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and now with


these attacks happening again on a much wider scale, basically the


editorial argues that France have to wake up, and they paint a picture, a


very dramatic picture, of a clash of civilisations, basically, between us


and them. The abomination of the so-called Islamic State, and the


defence of French values and western values. And they argue that if we


are to defeat those evils, we are not going to achieve that with


slogans, tweets, marches in central Paris, or confronting them with


secular values. We have to be... You know, a bit more belligerent than


that. So already, French newspapers, less than 24 hours after the


attacks, very different to last time, we are starting to ask very


provocative questions about where do we go. Is it worth it? Should we


continue to get more involved? What are the politicians discussing right


now? Liberation has a very striking front page. Very powerful, very


stark. No text at all. And it is black. The editorial is interesting


in several respects in Le Figaro. It uses war. It takes Francois Hollande


at his word and says we are going to make war. It has a rather chilling


line, this army of criminals, which we now know that commanders are


abroad and we must attack them. Interestingly, its international


edition emanates from Paris as well. The New York Times has been


taking up much the same line. Very strange reporting in the afternoon


edition today. I have been looking at an online saying, now is the time


to really get serious about the attack on Islamic State in Syria, in


Iraq, I have just been on Channel Five live arguing with the former


director of the CIA, saying go in and bash them, that is the way we


have been weak about the air operation and I made the point vet


to him, which I make in this, in military terms this is saying there


is a centre of gravity, if you pull it apart the whole thing falls


apart. You can hit Islamic State in Mosul, in Raqqa, and that's it. What


we have learnt from this and the weak's events, the terrible attacks


in Baghdad, on soft targets in Beirut. It isn't as easy as that, it


isn't as easy as taking out two or three capitals, provincial centres


on the ground. Although they are an important part of the story, as we


will discover. What do you think people in Paris want to see? Do they


want to see Liberation with the roses they are and the very black


and respectful front page, or do they want to hear from the


politicians? What are they discussing, what are they going to


do about this? I don't think they want to hear from the politicians. I


think they are sort of terrified about when... And it surely will,


this issue will get politicised. For now, the politicians are rallying


together. Francois Hollande is going to be addressing Parliament on


Monday. Everyone is making the right noises but this will surely become


politicised. When we first started getting reports that there was a


Syrian passport discovered on the scene, you know, there was alarm


among some of my French colleagues, of Algerian origin, because does


this mean that Marine Le Pen... Is the next target going to be the


migrants now? I just want to get your reaction to the Mail on Sunday


here in the UK. It's focus is very much on how the Islamic extremists


got into Paris, how they got there, and their headline is Paris jihadis


got in as fake refugees. What is the strength of feeling about the


migrant crisis? About Borders? Of course, it is difficult. Because if


you are going to protect your borders, you do at the Islamic


extremists want you to do, and lose your freedom. I am large the French


are committed to the European Union and to the spirit of the European


Union, and you know, they did not take to David Cameron's speech last


week very well. There is really a sense of shock. Mind you, there is a


state of emergency in Paris right now, which we haven't seen for a


decade. Not much really being said, as far as I can tell, on the


borders. People just seem to take it as a given. That security measures


have to be tightened. We were already in a state of alert after


the Charlie Hebdo attacks and people seem to be accepting that security


is going to be tight right now. Did you see many headlines like that


even before the attacks? Were their reports about how dangerous the


migrant crisis could be for security? Well, that depends on


which paper you read. Liberation certainly not all stop a bit like


here. We do know, and the Daily Mail goes into this, that we have heard


from Greece saying that they believe it is highly likely at least one of


the gunmen could have got into France via Greece. We do know that a


Syrian passport was left near the bodies of one of the gunmen. I think


that kind of story was always going to be inevitable, that you have a


link between what is to be inevitable, that you have a


link between what -- what has happened in Paris and the wider


political situation, across Europe as it were. So... But they are


conflicting reports about what the Greeks are actually saying. It is


all apparently still based on claims, and if I may put it that


way, the probability, the conclusion is not that conclusive. One of the


inside headlines, secret cargo, jihadis bound for Britain as well.


But if you read the text on the other papers, like the Sunday Times,


one of the leaders came from the district from which the Kuwachi


brothers came. There is something Indigenous about this. It is


interesting that the papers get into the entrails of this. This is a


very, very difficult and extremely complex case. It is both domestic


and global. It does have referenced. In one of the best pieces I have


read by a friend which just came up, I'm sure there are other interesting


and insightful pieces which I haven't yet scanned is Patrick


Cockburn's excellent piece in the Independent. It says what is old and


what is new about it. Very simply, he makes the point... We are in


total agreement, he said what is new about this is the sophistication of


the mounting of the attack. This was kamikaze attack rather like mom by,


the attack on the hotel district in 2008 -- Mumbai. The attackers were


expendable. Once they got out of their vehicles, which is another


story, exactly what vehicles did they get out of and all that, but to


get all that gear into the right place at the right time with the


reliability that somebody was going to do that dreadful stuff in the


concert hall, this is the really interesting one, in the concert


Hall, and going around the four restaurants and firing off a


magazine or two each time, getting back in the car and then going on,


tells you a hell of a lot about the lack of surveillance on Paris


streets. And there is another almost made description which comes up in


two or three of the papers of one of the attackers allegedly trying to


get into the stadium when the match was already on, and more or less


security on the gate says go away, they had spotted something. They had


spotted the suicide vest, allegedly, and there were several accounts of


this. He steps back, blows himself up, they hear it inside the stadium


and the match goes on. It is very, very odd indeed. And then they


hustle the President out of the stadium. Was he the target? It could


have been so much worse. It is bad but it could have been so much


worse. I'm not criticising the journalism, which has been


excellent. You or I or three or four of us will have been only these


rolling stories web hit after bit after bit on the canvas is very


rich, and it is very complex -- where it after bit. And the


Independent says we are struggling to nail down what is old and new


about it but the man who actually nails it is Patrick, Patrick


Cockburn says that the Islamic State is now going for soft targets. And


the Independent not just asking what happened, but what happened next.


That is what every one is talking about as well. Absolutely, and that


is why I slightly disagree that the French don't want to hear about it


from politicians. What the front page here is doing is putting on a


very sombre front page the emphasis on grief and morning, and respect


for the dead. But the next step is surely for the government to answer


questions -- mourning. You know, how did that happen? Can we know more


about it? And as it stands, the investigation remains very sketchy


indeed. It is all based on claims, allegations, and at this stage I


would be very suspicious about the kinds of things that are presented


as facts, like the Syrian passport which seems to be planted next to a


body. We have seen that in the case of the Charlie Hebdo attacks with


the brothers, and one of the brothers had forgotten his identity


card in the car. I think we have to take all these clues with a bit of


caution. World leaders are now discussing


military action against Islamic State. For many people in Paris


tonight, they might not want more military action. They have already


felt what that might lead to. But it might increase the feeling of a lot


of people that we need to be more involved. Is that the kind of thing


you are hearing in Paris? That there should be more military action that


there should be? Frans is very active in the fight against the


hardest groups, whether it is in North Africa... -- France. Whether


it is Boko Haram... The French are used to be very robust military


involvement. They are raising their eyebrows that a socialist president


like Francois Hollande seems so much more gung ho than his US and British


counterparts on the Syrian tragedy. Like many people, they tend to think


after all these years, what are we doing with the rebel partners that


we have and that we cannot really trust? There is not really an


appetite for military involvement but there is a numbers ending that


France is a big player, a big military player, on the


international stage. The Times Takes it back to how people are feeling


and how they are reacting right now, while papers like the Telegraph


lookahead. They have the names and images of the victims. 129 right


now, with many more injured. What strikes me is how young some of


those faces are. Only one of them confirmed as British so far. And


this comes as no surprise. Because these areas are very useful areas --


youthful areas, frequented by young people, and they have been described


by commentators as areas frequented by liberal, open-minded young men


and women, who effectively represent the opposite of what ISIS stands for


and that is why there would have been a prime target. ISIS resents


that kind of joie de vivre and what you would do on a Paris street. You


think they were targeting young people anywhere in Paris? I would be


very interested to hear about that. It seemed to be that the main effort


was the star -- stadium. They knew the district very well. What do you


think? I could not agree more. These were not obvious targets. You had to


be a real Parisian. Soft targets. The stadium seemed a more obvious


target and the parallels with the Mumbai attacks are very start here.


-- stark. But this is not a 5-star hotel or the Westgate shopping mall


in Nairobi, places where the super-rich capitalists hang around.


This was just a young crowd. That is what makes it really shocking. It


will give many people the sense that we are not safe anywhere. It is not


just big events, it can be just having a drink with a friend. But it


is also the timing. More questions than answers but it is something


that we have to establish. Again, the only person I have seen


mentioning it... This is multidimensional. There is something


very conventional to what ISIS does. It actually declared an


Islamic State. And it has territory. It has to hold that land


and it has been losing a great deal of ground over the last two to three


weeks. The blast Sinjar, which is vital to the communications and


smuggling routes. Those are the routes you want to use if you are


going to export oil. This is a body blow to them and there seems to be


something going on saying let us have diverging reaction, so we have


had this terrible attacks on civilians in Lebanon and Baghdad,


which have not been given the full coverage that they deserve, and we


had the bombing and now this. It is to show that they are all


conquering. It is to show that they can hit soft targets wherever. And


that is the terror side of it. It is kamikaze stuff and it is vulgar and


indiscriminate. That is the horrible side of it that strikes. Because it


is so irrational, it strikes intellectual terror. It is


interesting that it is clearly a massive PR coup, if I can but put it


bluntly. What Patrick is saying is that it reflects a sign of


desperation. They are actually losing ground, being pushed back...


In Iraq and Syria. So they come here and attack us on our home soil. They


are losing its title as the premier jihadi flag bearer. That is what


happened with the various affiliate of Al-Qaeda. They lose the brand


leadership. There is something going on there. There is a really cruel


and wicked mind behind this. I suspect in a lot of the modus


operandi that there are one or two others really tough Chechens that


have been behind the forces in where ISIS is in Iraq. They picked a


concert hall. The Chechens like doing that. It is a confined space


with very young people and it is an easy target. The Observer picks up


on that. Police hunt for clues. By launching attacks like this, they


expose themselves. They expose as to how they may do the next attack. It


does leave clues. One very important thing about this attack is that


France has seen lone wolf attacks. A Frenchman was arguably the first


blowback of the Syrian conflict, targeting the Jewish museum in


Brussels. This is very different. This is co-ordinated and the claim


came very quickly, the very next day. It is also the first suicide


attack. Going back to this business of the caliphate, I think that we


are getting it wrong by saying just hours after our Kurdish allies


entered Sinjar we have this very co-ordinated attack but almost


seems... We don't use the word Central command. We used to use that


term for Al-Qaeda. But it really shows that it does not matter what


is happening in Syria and Iraq. And in a way, maybe you are right in


that the aspiration will trigger these kinds of attacks. We saw with


the Russian plane and the Beirut attacks on the Hezbollah


neighbourhood, the global jihad, ISIS's global reach, is becoming


much more sophisticated. For a year, we thought they were just


concentrating on holding and administering territory. It has gone


to a different game now. That is the key point. They are saying that


they're not going to be focused on that. Sinjar is just the latest.


They felt they were losing ground. There was pressure on the territory


of the Islamic State. Now we're going to do something us because


we're not a one trick pony and we're going to show that we can strike you


where it really hurts. And there is still a military presence in Paris


tonight but the Sunday Express suggests that in London the SAS is


on our streets. Is that something that would worry you, knowing that


there are plain armed soldiers protecting British cities? Or does


it make you feel safer? We have heard the French President using the


language of war, saying this was an act of war perpetrated against


France and that France is determined to fight terrorism in a merciless


fashion, and this has been echoed by his British counterpart, David


Cameron, who is just doing the same, proving that he is being pragmatic


about it. He does not want to be complacent about it. Obviously the


British people are going to be scared about what is happening next


door. It is only two hours away on the Euros da. And there are


legitimate concerns about the British population. -- on the


Eurostar. Britain went through that a few years ago and does not want to


see a similar scenario unfold again on British soil, so what David


Cameron is doing, effectively, his policy is now revolving on war and


he is taking all the security measures he possibly can to reassure


the British public. Many thanks to our guests. Our thoughts are with


you all and your colleagues in Paris. Thank you for taking us


through the papers. Our coverage continues on BBC News. Don't go


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