16/11/2015 The Papers


16/11/2015

No need to wait until tomorrow morning to see what's in the papers - tune in for a lively and informed conversation about the next day's headlines.


Similar Content

Browse content similar to 16/11/2015. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

option to withdraw from the match. And Andy Murray defeats David Ferrer

:00:00.:00:10.

in the tennis. That is coming up. Hello and welcome to

:00:11.:00:15.

our look ahead to what the papers With me are the broadcaster

:00:16.:00:18.

Penny Smith and economics The Telegraph reports that

:00:19.:00:22.

Chancellor George Osborne is to warn about IS cyber attacks

:00:23.:00:34.

against Britain. The suspected mastermind is

:00:35.:00:35.

the front page focus on the Times. It reports that Abdelhamid Abaaoud

:00:36.:00:38.

had boasted of planning attacks under

:00:39.:00:40.

the noses of Belgian authorities. The Mail has a similar report,

:00:41.:00:43.

calling his boasts sick taunts. The Guardian leads with

:00:44.:00:46.

President Hollande's speech to The Financial Times says Monsieur

:00:47.:00:48.

Hollande demanded sweeping new Europe at War - that's

:00:49.:00:55.

the front cover of the i. It reports

:00:56.:01:07.

the public has been warned of The Independent pictures just one

:01:08.:01:09.

of today's tributes to the attack victims

:01:10.:01:15.

and quotes the French revolutionary And the Express focuses on the Prime

:01:16.:01:20.

Minister's revelation that Britain's security services have foiled seven

:01:21.:01:27.

attacks in the past year. The Independent sums up the most

:01:28.:01:45.

significant thing of the day, really. A moment of silence amid all

:01:46.:01:54.

of this political talk of what we do next. The victim is very much the

:01:55.:01:58.

focus. And this was not just in France. It was elsewhere. This is

:01:59.:02:11.

the picture with the headline, "To arms, citizens." There is this new

:02:12.:02:18.

state of emergency being extended for three months and that involves

:02:19.:02:22.

quite draconian levels of what they have the right to be able to do.

:02:23.:02:27.

They can prevent people from gathering, they can have curfew,

:02:28.:02:31.

limit the movement of people, close public spaces. We know that some of

:02:32.:02:36.

those things have been already happening. That is three months

:02:37.:02:41.

right through Christmas and New Year, very big time in the Christian

:02:42.:02:50.

calendar, and it is just a very... It has been said before that this is

:02:51.:02:57.

the fight of our generation, and it will be said again. It is going to

:02:58.:03:03.

be difficult for the president because there is a huge population

:03:04.:03:06.

of Muslims in France and it is going to be that community which will be

:03:07.:03:13.

the most affected. The biggest percentage of Muslim citizens, of

:03:14.:03:22.

course, of any European country. The headline is the first line of the

:03:23.:03:25.

chorus of the French national anthem. And as well as the security

:03:26.:03:30.

measures that many referred to in the state of emergency that

:03:31.:03:33.

Parliament will vote through to allow it to last three months, he

:03:34.:03:38.

also has to navigate the diplomacy here, and he is saying tonight and

:03:39.:03:44.

in the papers tomorrow that the air strikes that we saw in Syria will be

:03:45.:03:53.

escalated. And yet, and yet, America is downplaying that idea. That takes

:03:54.:03:59.

us nicely to the Guardian. Barack Obama and Francois Hollande

:04:00.:04:06.

face-to-face. And the French President of course wants to be seen

:04:07.:04:12.

to act. France struck already on Sunday. Ten fighter jets and 20

:04:13.:04:18.

bombs. Many may say that was to assuage public opinion. And yet

:04:19.:04:26.

Obama is saying in a reference to US failures, many would say, in Iraq,

:04:27.:04:31.

he is saying that such an offensive would be a mistake not because, he

:04:32.:04:35.

says, our military could not march into Mosul or a grade Ramadi, but

:04:36.:04:41.

because we would see a repetition of what we have seen before. This is a

:04:42.:04:46.

complete reversal of the state of affairs we have been used to, with

:04:47.:04:50.

France as the aggressor and America as the appeaser. Terrorism will

:04:51.:04:55.

never destroy the Republic because the Republic will destroy terrorism,

:04:56.:05:04.

he says. And he also says that this is not a war of civilisations

:05:05.:05:07.

because these assassins do not represent any civilisation. But then

:05:08.:05:11.

we have President Obama saying it is very clear that we do not art

:05:12.:05:15.

equating the issue of refugees with terrorism, touching on the fact that

:05:16.:05:20.

we still don't know about this suspicion that one of those

:05:21.:05:28.

assassins actually came through in Greece, claiming... One amongst

:05:29.:05:34.

millions. One amongst millions but nevertheless claiming to be a Syrian

:05:35.:05:38.

refugee. There has been thought about this before. And yet many

:05:39.:05:44.

people in British politics are saying, yes, we can close down the

:05:45.:05:49.

Schengen Agreement, we can end passport free travel across the EU,

:05:50.:06:00.

and yet... We were talking about 7/7 earlier and the people who brought

:06:01.:06:03.

about were born and brought up in the UK, so it is very difficult. And

:06:04.:06:07.

we are not just talking about people with explosive devices around their

:06:08.:06:12.

waists or AK-47s. We could be facing cyber attacks. This has been the

:06:13.:06:20.

worry for some time. There was the cyber attack on the Pentagon. Is not

:06:21.:06:23.

as though we don't know that these things can be done. But we think

:06:24.:06:27.

North Korea is more guilty of that than anything else. Of course. But

:06:28.:06:34.

what you realise is that our computers operate so much more than

:06:35.:06:39.

just, I don't know, things that we don't consider to be part of our

:06:40.:06:45.

life, as it were. We are talking about power stations, hospitals, all

:06:46.:06:47.

sorts of things that we have not really thought about whether they

:06:48.:06:52.

could be controlled from far of. They could crash planes by getting

:06:53.:07:00.

into computers at air traffic control. All of those things. And

:07:01.:07:07.

that is so scary. There is almost a state where you get so scared that

:07:08.:07:17.

you just say that it is what it is. We had David Cameron giving a speech

:07:18.:07:21.

tonight when he laid into Jeremy Corbyn, of course, the Labour leader

:07:22.:07:25.

questioning any move to shoot to kill. And we have George Osborne

:07:26.:07:28.

giving a speech tomorrow at GCHQ on those ideas that Kenny has just been

:07:29.:07:37.

outlining. -- Penny. The government says they want to introduce up to

:07:38.:07:42.

10,000 new intelligence operatives. That would take a long time to train

:07:43.:07:47.

them, even if you bring them in as IT specialists from the public

:07:48.:07:52.

sector. And we have ?2 billion, apparently, a figure being used

:07:53.:07:58.

tonight, for the SAS. That is out of a total military defence budget of

:07:59.:08:03.

?33 billion. That is a 6% increase in the defence budget. Someone was

:08:04.:08:09.

saying tonight why they did not do this before. If they have this

:08:10.:08:15.

money, why are we doing now? Win the point is that it is not as though we

:08:16.:08:18.

have not known there was this risk before. -- when the point. This is

:08:19.:08:25.

not going to stop now and it is not going to stop any time soon. The

:08:26.:08:30.

Times has more information about those behind the attacks and it all

:08:31.:08:35.

starts to sound familiar. Where they are from, disgruntled people... With

:08:36.:08:42.

little hope of doing anything with their lives. Quite often they are

:08:43.:08:49.

petty criminals. And young. And then radical imams get them and turn

:08:50.:08:55.

them. There was an interesting article on the BBC about somebody

:08:56.:08:57.

who had been looking at the pieces of information, the propaganda,

:08:58.:09:03.

coming out of ISIS to tempt people to go out there and how it was

:09:04.:09:06.

targeting different people. For example, there were images of people

:09:07.:09:11.

picking fruit in sunshine, for example, in some of them, going to

:09:12.:09:17.

market piled high with and produce, trying to say that this is the

:09:18.:09:21.

promised land and it is wonderful in that it is a land of plenty and

:09:22.:09:26.

really a lovely place to come and live as a proper Muslim. You have

:09:27.:09:31.

that propaganda coming in from one side and then you have those

:09:32.:09:41.

extremist imams as well spouting... And they are using social media for

:09:42.:09:43.

propaganda for radicalisation in many ways, and you would think that

:09:44.:09:47.

intelligence services would have a field day with that. The Times is

:09:48.:09:52.

pointing out that the brains behind Friday's terror attack slipped in

:09:53.:09:58.

and out of Syria and boasted under the nose of the authorities. There

:09:59.:10:01.

will be tension between not wanting to have a blame game and then

:10:02.:10:04.

individual countries at the same time pointing to the other. There

:10:05.:10:08.

are stories circulating that German police, for instance, pulled over a

:10:09.:10:13.

guy who had an address in Paris plunged into a certain as I did but

:10:14.:10:21.

full of assault rifles -- and a car trunk full of assault weapons. And

:10:22.:10:28.

finishing the G20 meeting tonight in Turkey, politicians have been saying

:10:29.:10:33.

that they want to tighten borders and have more intelligence sharing,

:10:34.:10:37.

crackdown on financing of terrorists. Much of the domestic

:10:38.:10:42.

debate in the UK as well as the usual knockabout between the

:10:43.:10:45.

political parties will also focus on the implications for the EU and the

:10:46.:10:52.

Schengen Agreement. It strikes me that this is going to become a very

:10:53.:10:55.

live debate in the UK over the coming weeks and months. And these

:10:56.:11:02.

comments are on the Daily Express. Britain Foyles seven terror

:11:03.:11:13.

attacks. I think -- foils seven terror attacks. I think many people

:11:14.:11:17.

will find comfort in that but they have to get it right every time. And

:11:18.:11:21.

those are the headlines that scare us because we think that they have

:11:22.:11:27.

foiled seven terror attacks and terrorists only have to be

:11:28.:11:31.

successful once. And these are the kind of headlines that will allow

:11:32.:11:34.

the government more latitude as it looks to bring in more draconian

:11:35.:11:38.

measures, which under normal circumstances many people even in

:11:39.:11:46.

the Conservative Party would resist. Jeremy Corbyn is certainly

:11:47.:11:51.

not happy about that. Indeed. Also picking up at interview on the BBC

:11:52.:11:56.

tonight. He has had a backlash over his comments that he does not really

:11:57.:12:01.

see any need for a shoot to kill policy against terrorism. When he

:12:02.:12:07.

was asked about the use of drones to kill so-called Jihadi John in Syria,

:12:08.:12:13.

he said he would only authorise actions that are legal in terms of

:12:14.:12:17.

international law, so he raised questions about that. I don't think

:12:18.:12:21.

a free vote is something that we're going to be offering, he said, when

:12:22.:12:26.

asked if he would allow Labour MPs to vote in favour of RAF air strikes

:12:27.:12:33.

against ISIS. And then when asked when -- whether those air strikes

:12:34.:12:37.

would work, he said they may well make the situation worse. This is

:12:38.:12:41.

not just a one-off interview to the BBC. These comments were two Sky

:12:42.:12:46.

News, ITV News. Jeremy Corbyn is not holding back. This is right across

:12:47.:12:52.

the media, saying what many people in the hearts will have some

:12:53.:12:57.

sympathy with what he is saying, but many people will also find

:12:58.:13:05.

offensive. And many people are still angry about the shooting in London.

:13:06.:13:14.

Finishing with the French newspapers, the permanent state of

:13:15.:13:18.

emergency. Although we know that it has been extended, that is the

:13:19.:13:24.

point. We are now living in a world where we are almost in a permanent

:13:25.:13:32.

state of heightened awareness, I suppose is what we can call it.

:13:33.:13:36.

Don't you think we have been anyway for the last ten years? It is like

:13:37.:13:41.

all of these things. For example, we have this would match tomorrow

:13:42.:13:45.

night. Security is going to be so tight that people will spend hours

:13:46.:13:49.

getting through. Ring of steel at Wembley. But we cannot keep that

:13:50.:13:55.

state of preparedness, that state of emergency, day after day after day.

:13:56.:14:01.

We just cannot. And that is at the big events as well. But what Paris

:14:02.:14:05.

has told us that they will go for the bars, restaurants, shops and

:14:06.:14:12.

streets. Eagles Of Death Metal were not a big band. This was a minor

:14:13.:14:17.

function. That is what makes it so scary in many ways. We have the

:14:18.:14:21.

three prongs of the French response. The extra surveillance,

:14:22.:14:26.

air strikes in Syria, which President Hollande would like to

:14:27.:14:35.

escalate. They may have trouble getting international agreement on

:14:36.:14:38.

that. And then the permanent state of emergency. Le Figaro does point

:14:39.:14:43.

out what Francois Hollande said, that this is going to be a war on

:14:44.:14:47.

many fronts, because that is what we are facing. Justice, military and

:14:48.:14:52.

security. He is not getting full support for it, however. Well... But

:14:53.:14:57.

you are always going to have that. You are always going to worry. That

:14:58.:15:05.

strike was pretty quick. It was Friday night these atrocities

:15:06.:15:08.

happened. Sunday night these 20 bombs were dropped. There will be

:15:09.:15:14.

people who say that is ratcheting it up and it will just escalate the

:15:15.:15:19.

situation. And we have the French presidential election in 2017.

:15:20.:15:26.

Marine Le Pen, even before this, it looked like she could easily prevail

:15:27.:15:30.

in the first round. She will certainly be involved in the second

:15:31.:15:34.

round of any French presidential election. There is a lot of fear in

:15:35.:15:38.

the country that this will only enhance her support going into those

:15:39.:15:42.

elections. Thank you. France say they'll be playing

:15:43.:16:14.

England for the Paris victims.

:16:15.:16:19.

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS