22/11/2015 The Papers


22/11/2015

No need to wait until tomorrow morning to see what's in the papers - Martine Croxall presents a lively and informed conversation about the next day's headlines.


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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are Matthew Syed, author and Times columnist, and Zamilla

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Bunglawala, the former government policy advisor and academic.

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Do you still play a lot of ping-pong? I have moved on to

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tennis. Every so often, I get a chance to have a game. More on

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tennis in a minute. I am still an Olympic weightlifter! Tomorrow's

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front pages, starting with the Financial Times, reports that the

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police are braced for more cuts to fund an extra ?12 billion for the

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defence department. The Times says the fight against terrorism will be

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at the ?178 billion defence overhaul tomorrow. The Merrimack Rogue also

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goes with that sorry, -- story, focusing on elite troops. Claims

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that there may be attempts to do something. The Telegraph said the

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army may be restructured to get those two Stryker brigades. The

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Guardian leads with news that Brussels faces an unprecedented

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security lockdown because they had a serious and imminent threat. The

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Daily Mail splashes on the refusal of leading UK cinemas to show an

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advert featuring The Lord's Prayer. We will begin with the Daily

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Telegraph. The headline, Army Stryker brigades to tackle terror.

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This is a defence review to order a restructuring of certain units. What

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is the proposal? It is extensive, partly to meet 2% of GDP as part of

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the noted defence target, but ?170 billion on military equipment will

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buy a lot of hardware. Partly, it is to tackle terror. 9000 extra

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soldiers will be deployed for immediate deployment. That is quite

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serious in terms of numbers, because we have seen serious cuts to the

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military. What it doesn't talk about is how this will deal with

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countering terrorism in the sense of disadvantaged youth, disengagement,

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what it will do on the domestic level, which is important. Defence

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forces in the Army internationally will be important and that budget

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does tackle that, but it doesn't mention that in this article. I

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think it will be interesting to find out that. How clear is it, whether

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this is coming from politicians or from military leaders? I think a bit

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of both. Clearly the government has to do a lot of things, improved

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intelligence, pre-emptive action against radicalisation, but a lot of

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the debate has moved on to what happens if, God forbid, there are

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machine guns on the streets of London. 10,000 police, two crack

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forces of 5000, instantly -- instantly deployed to shoot down

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religious psychopaths if they end up in London. Another story is

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improving the training of doctors and medics so, if they arrive on the

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scene of a potential atrocity, they can deal with bullet wounds. It has

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to be a multifaceted strategy, but this has to be a part of it. Whether

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or not the other departments will think it is worth it, though. There

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is only a certain amount of money to go around. It seems that certain

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departments will struggle if the defence department get this cash.

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Absolutely, I am sure the Chancellor is juggling in terms of what he will

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spent on welfare, the NHS and police, which is the numbers that

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keep coming up. Nationally, what are we going to do? Things like prevent

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haven't gone down well. They haven't been successful. What are you going

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to cut and spent on? We really don't know. It will be an interesting week

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in terms of budgets. There are so many ways in which Paris is forcing

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politicians to rethink so many aspects, in terms of migration,

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border controls, how we police... Who we stop and who we search in

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this country. I think it is important, not just that, but

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potentially using British planes to bomb IS targets in Syria. Isil is a

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crazy death cult, but it is sophisticated in terms of its

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strategy, is use social media, the way its strategies have altered over

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time to reflect the response. They want to build into a narrative of

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crusading Westerners going after the Islamic world and I think it is

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important to try and make sure that, when we make strategic decisions, do

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what they don't want us to do. Or you are feeding into their strategy

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of creating more wars and more disenfranchised people. The metro

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says, ghost town, a picture of Brussels, in a third day of

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lockdown. A soldier watching over a deserted street. Some kind of

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operation going on close to the Grand Place earlier. It seems that

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it passed without incident. They are really thinking they have got to

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keep schools and the Metro shut tomorrow. It is astonishing to see a

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western capital shut down. The headline and image are striking. It

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is impossible to second-guess the politicians in conjunction with the

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security services, because we haven't seen the intelligence.

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However, just to go back to what I was saying, over reaction is a

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dangerous thing. This is just manner to the Isis sympathisers. Our

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capacity to defeat these people is constructed upon power play our

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economic strength. -- partly. It will take a long time to make a

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difference in terms of our relative advantage, but I think there is a

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danger in terms of politicians being overly risk averse and shutting

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cities down. If you keep doing that, that encroaches upon Eldon GDP.

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People will say, if anything were to happen and they hadn't carried on,

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why didn't you protect us? It is a difficult call. You are talking

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about fear in the wake of the Paris attacks so it is natural that

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civilians will feel different. This is unprecedented. The Grand Place is

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a busy place, so the idea of an armoured vehicle, is that going to

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make people safer? People are not meeting in public places. If you

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look at that, Isis has already won. It is affecting our day-to-day

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lives. It is important to take a measured approach. I don't want to

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in any way diminish the tragedy perpetrated on the streets of Paris,

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but the number of people who died is less than the number of people who

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died in traffic accidents since the atrocity, less than the number who

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avoid -- die through avoidable medical errors every week in

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Britain. But if those bombs had gone off in different places, inside the

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Stade de France, if the elite force hadn't stormed the Bataclan... I

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couldn't agree more, and we know that traffic accidents typically

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follow a predictable distribution. Accidents is different to people

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being gunned down in public. I agree, but the emotional response

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and potential for over reaction can make the problem worse. Police

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braced for more cuts to find ?12 billion for defence. George Osborne

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has said the police are still going to have to take their share of the

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pain. Sure. It is strange when we asked seeing 100 and eight to the

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Army and we are expecting the police to be cut. I don't know how that

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will go down in the Treasury or the Home Office. Part of this is

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important in terms of, we need better cyber security, more forces

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on the seat, better intercommunity relations, and most of that is done

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by the police. -- more forces on the street. The article mentions

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counterterrorism rising by 30%. What exactly does that mean? Prevent has

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been proven not to work, so what exactly will happen? Are we going to

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raise divisions between Muslim communities and try to understand

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them better? It doesn't deal with that. It doesn't mention that there

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will be welfare cuts as well as business cuts, so it isn't just the

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Home Office that will find it difficult. This is a big issue, but

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the political choreography is interesting, George Osborne

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delivering his statement on Wednesday, his budget potentially

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falling apart, tax receipts down will stop will he renege from his

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desire to have a ?12 billion surplus? But then the manoeuvring,

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Theresa May, Boris Johnson, George Osborne, thought to be the top

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successor, dropping behind in the poles. There is a lot of jockeying

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in the background. More politics on the i. Stop sniping at Corbyn,

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Labour grandees warned. He is in an interesting position. If we have

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this vote on air strikes in Parliament, we don't know whether or

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when, what does he do? He has always said no. He is in just an invidious,

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self-made position. We all know he is against the strikes and I think

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for legitimate reasons. He is worried about inflaming more

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fanaticism, worried that, without a political solution, it won't make a

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difference. He worries that air attacks on their own won't defeat

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the enemy. Above all, he recognises that the problem is one of ideology

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and religious psychopathology. You can't defeat that with bombing.

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You've got to go after the fundamental problem, which is that

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people believe we have the absolute truth because we have the hotline to

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Allah. For me, it is a very tile but, if you don't agree with us, we

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will kill you! -- it is a fairy tale. You have to get on top of it

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with science, evidence. Just go back to the issue of Corbyn struggling,

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he will look so silly if he is against it and the Shadow Cabinet

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overruled him. Except if he says it is a free vote, then it doesn't look

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like the party is divided and have defied him. That would probably be

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the more tactical mood does not remove for him. But MPs also said

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the UN sanctioning isn't clear so he might have legitimate ground to say

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we can't go further. He doesn't have many friends within the PLP and he

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constantly get negative briefing against him so it isn't quite fair

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to say it is all his fault. The party itself is falling apart. Every

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time I seem interviewed, I warm to his integrity. His knowledge that

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knowledge is very broad and deep but so many of the key policies are

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playing so badly with the public and I think they are wrong. The Daily

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Telegraph, business dinners are not women friendly. Why not? Part of the

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article is about how rarely ended these events are by Wigan, partly

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due to timing, childcare, other commitments, but in language we call

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it black tie. Why can't we call it black dress, black cocktail dress,

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more inviting to women? Fair enough! I want to go! I am not a wearer... I

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very wet -- very rarely wear a tie. I prefer informality. Dressing down.

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An early evening... I prefer that. We liked all of the meals,

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basically. I can understand why women think, 7:30pm, they can be

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quite long, laborious. I've been to some which seized with ideas and

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champagne but I get this sentiment. The quality of the ideas probably

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deteriorates in inverse proportion to the amount of bubbly drunk.

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Finally, we will hand the talking stick to Matthew's side. Djokovic

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finishes with a smashing triumph. He has won again. Set up the story. He

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has won the ATP world turf finals in London. It is a record fourth

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successive victory. Djokovic, number one in the world with an

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extraordinary track record. But, whenever he plays better run,

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everybody in the crowd except as parents, his wife and coach are

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supporting the other guy. -- whenever he plays Roger Federer. He

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is an aesthetically pleasing player, his indomitability. I just wanted to

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put out a little shout for Djokovic tonight. We will start rooting for

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him, Martine. Who would you support, fed a ruck or Djokovic? I think it

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was Roger Federer. You have to go with your gut. You don't know these

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people. I haven't met them. You have to go with the way that they appear

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to you, interviews, on TV, even their playing manner. That is

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extraordinary. Roger Federer has occasionally been bitter after

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defeat. Djokovic, when he lost to Andy Murray in the final at

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Wimbledon, as he does whenever defeated, he was so gracious to Andy

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Murray, the crowd and the nation. He is a real gentleman. We had better

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help him out next time. We have had indomitability and psychopathology

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in this hour. I wonder what they will bring back at 11:30pm! Stay

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with us. Coming up next, Click.

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