22/11/2015 The Papers

Four Britons who died in a helicopter crash on holiday in New

Zealand have been named as Nigel and Helen Charlton, and Katharine Walker

Two Australian holiday-makers and the pilot were also killed

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

Thank you to our guests for joining us this evening. Time for a look at

the front pages. for more cuts to fund an extra ?12

billion for the Defence Department. The Times also looks at the issue

of defence and says that fighting terrorism

will be at the heart of the ?178 The Telegraph says the Army is to be

restructured to create two strike brigades who can be deployed

immediately to fight terrorists. And the Mirror also goes with

that story, focusing on the 10,000 strike force that

can be deployed at short notice. The i claims that

the government may rethink its ?10 billion surplus pledge to

fund a tax-credit climbdown. The Guardian leads with

the news that Brussels faces an unprecedented security lockdown

because of a serious and imminent The Daily Mail splashes

on the refusal of leading UK cinemas to show an

advert featuring the Lord's Prayer. Let us begin with the Times.

Cameron's ?178 billion overhaul of UK defence military spending by four

strikes vote. -- before air strikes vote. Two major themes in this

story. ?178 billion over ten years. ?12 billion for equipment. The RAF

will emerge as the winner, it says. New aircraft operating by 2023. The

other thing that is coming out very strongly is that it is likely Jeremy

Corbyn will be forced to offer a free vote on bombing in Syria. He is

against bombing ISIS in Syria and had previously said he would not

offer a free vote, but a number of his senior lieutenants are making

the case. We will come back to Corbyn in a moment because he is on

the front page of the Independent as well, but it is not as if the

Ministry of Defence will be completely saved from any cuts...

Like any other department. Money is tight. The Chancellor does need to

find money from somewhere. The RAF is very pleased with the money they

are getting. But we will not see any of that equipment anytime soon, so

it will not help with any possible potential air strikes on Syria. The

rapid deployment capability that we have never had in Britain is what

much of this money will fund. That is important in terms of our defence

capabilities. It is in line with the Prime Minister's objective to meet

the Nato defence target. However, I do wonder where this money is coming

from. We are trying to get the balance and surplus in our budget

and we are still trying to deal with austerity. This money could be well

spent on police, welfare and the NHS, all of which have had to be

cut. Nine days ago, these attacks have changed so much. It has been a

dramatic, seminal, watershed moment. But this thing about the

budget... Given that they are spending on defence and security and

a number of other things, it is entirely possible that George

Osborne will renege on his commitment to create a ?10 billion

surplus in the budget by 2020 and that might be one way of doing

something that is also of great political importance for him and the

government, Kim as a potential -- him as a potential successor to

David Cameron, which is back away from the scandalously tough policies

on family tax credits. 10,000 elite troops to fight ISIS. Be

restructuring of the army to create two strike forces that can be

deployed very quickly. This is the point. This is unprecedented. We

have never had Army dealing with crises in this way. In terms of

physical numbers, it is important. But also in terms of what this means

for our army, which has been cut in recent years. How likely is it that

we will have more troops? Or will it be a reorganisation of what we

already have? There are two stories about 10,000 troops. Wonders about

the deployment of troops overseas. The other is 10,000 troops within

the country so that if you have some of these religious fanatics getting

into the country with weapons, God forbid, they will be able to deploy

soldiers to combat them in addition to the fact that they are training

medics with expertise in bullet wounds and all sorts of things so

that if this does happen, we will have a much more adequate and

efficient response. Russia has been increasing spending while that in

the UK is contracting. We will need those soldiers if we have fewer

police. Someone has to police our streets. I think that it is the same

number, 10,000, for domestic and internal deployment. ?178 billion

will go a long way to making that more balanced. Something quite

interesting and ironic in a number of these stories is the way that

David Cameron is going to position the spending. It is to do with ISIS

and Russia. Ins the battle against ISIS, we will be alive with Russia

but in other areas, we will be against Russia. It shows the

kaleidoscopic complexity... That is a long word but I understand it.

Lockdown in Brussels over terror threats. Armed patrols on the

streets of the capital. We are expecting a press conference coming

out but right now, it is just an empty table with microphones. We are

waiting for some of the authorities, potentially the federal

prosecutor, to appear at that table very soon and tell us what has been

going on. Extraordinarily eerie pictures coming out of Brussels

tonight. People have been told to keep away from the windows and the

Metro will not be running tomorrow. Brussels is very small but has lots

of public space for people. Schools, universities, transport will be

closed. President Obama said we should not succumb to this but in

Brussels, people are not allowed to go about their normal lives because

they are genuinely afraid. They have been told not to go out to concerts

or bars. We are just having a look at these pictures. These are the

live pictures. We're hoping that we will have some translation because

they will probably be speaking Flemish or French and I don't think

I can help you out with either. We will come back to that when we get

some translation. We understand there may have been a number of

arrests this evening in Brussels. We need to get clarification on how

many there were and who was arrested. Of course, they are

searching at the moment force an avid Slam, who is thought to have

been one of the men who intended to blow himself up outside the national

stadium in France nine days ago. -- sana -- Salah Abdeslam.

We are doing this in the interests of the ongoing investigation. And

with the French as well. We think they will speak in English as well

but at the moment, we are listening to this in Flemish was it the answer

languages spoken in Belgium, French as well, so we might be hearing

things in all three, which could prolong things a bit. The Belgian

federal prosecutor has said so far that 16 people have been arrested

during a raid in Brussels. When we get the translation, we will find

out exactly where, because earlier in the evening, we were watching

pictures of a street that is close to the main square, and it looked

like a boss was being used to block the street -- bus. There was some

police activity. But the street was completely deserted besides two of

the policemen and then it was all suddenly wrapped up. We understand

that 16 people have been arrested. Two shots were fired on a vehicle in

Molenbeek, this area of Brussels that has been under constant

surveillance since those Paris attacks. It is thought that some of

the attackers had connections with Molenbeek. Three houses were

searched in another area as well, which is where one of the airports

is. Prosecutors say they did not find Salah Abdeslam, who is the

person they have been looking for since the attacks happened in Paris.

We will come back once we get something in English but we will

just take a look at the Guardian. Lockdown in Brussels. And that will

continue tomorrow. Schools shut and Metro closed full of no one is going

anywhere tomorrow. You can understand why they are jittery.

This was almost certainly the logistical command centre for the

atrocity and there has clearly been a fast security operation. It is

difficult to say whether it was right to shut down the entire

Western European capital because we have not seen the intelligence upon

which the decision was made, but what strikes me is the vital

importance of the flow of information between European

security services. The intelligence has to be brought together because

these fanatics do not respect national borders whatsoever. And one

hopes that these arrests will have caught the sleeper cell that was

clearly operating in the middle of Europe. We are just waiting to see

if we have any translation because we have a different official who is

speaking, this time in French. TRANSLATION: The Brussels

prosecutor, the anti-terror prosecution, executed 19 raids this

Saturday evening in the Brussels region. These raids took place in

Molenbeek, Anderlecht... There were three other raids. 16 people were

taken into custody. The judge will decide tomorrow whether or not they

should be detained further. During a raid on a snack bar in Molenbeek, a

vehicle was driven at the police. Police opened fire twice. The

vehicle was able to escape but was later stopped in Brussels. An

injured man in the car was arrested. It is impossible to say at

the moment whether or not there is a link between these arrests and the

investigation is under way. The other raids happened without great

incident. The identity of the people who were arrested, we cannot give

more information about them yet. No arms or explosives were found. Salah

Abdeslam was not intercepted during these raids. There will have to be

further actions on Sunday evening. The investigation will continue. We

cannot give you more information at this time. The police and the

authorities would like to thank the media and social media users for

having followed our request not to publish details of the police

operation. The Brussels a special investigator ordered a total of 19

households such as in the Brussels region. These researchers took place

in Molenbeek, Anderlecht and other locations. There were also three

house searches... In total, 16 persons were arrested. Just

recapping there on those details. 19 raids carried out in Brussels. 16

arrests. Properties were searched, two shots fired, vehicle drove at

police, and later that vehicle was stopped again. It was delivered by a

moon -- man who was wounded. It is not clear if there is any link with

the attacks that happened in Paris. Salah Abdeslam, the man they have

been looking for, was not among the 16 people arrested. The judge will

decide tomorrow whether those people need to remain in custody. If

anything else comes out of this press conference in Brussels, we

will bring it to you. Will move on and talk about the

independent. This is not what you expect from your own party. Not from

a leader who was voted in from popular mechanism. Clearly, they are

not happy with their leader. They are taken to Facebook this weekend

to suggest that it is time all of the bitterness stops because it is

creating chaos and not helping the party. People should get on with it

and the backbenches should actually deal with it that he is here to stay

for a long time and support his measures. I think that's got to be

hard for a lot of Labour MPs, because a lot of them don't back

him. It is a bit hard to know how you deal with this issue when you've

only been in the post for a few weeks. Not even 100 days, is it? No.

I ran for the Labour Party back in the day. But there has always been

an extraordinary divide. They are very far to the left of most members

of Parliament, and most members of Parliament pretend they are very

left wing to get selected and start moving to the right to get elected.

What has happened, you are right, there is an overwhelming support of

him from his convictions and his left-wing credentials, but I don't

think this is just symbolic. They're not sniping for political

machination. This is a fundamental disagreement about what the Labour

Party is for stopping is not going to go away. Until they come up with

a better alternative, they have to accept that this man is their

leader. He's the person that one and that is reality is. Does he have to

get out if there is a vote on his strikes? Competitor to years ago

when it was more about regime change, it is now regarded as a

threat to our national security. The indications are that he will get

around that through a free vote. You have to take your party with you and

you have to understand there's going to be issues. And whether a free

vote will allow that to take lace, along with dissension and accepting

that this is is a reality is importance of blue I feel that

Jeremy Corbyn is right with his reluctance in Syria because he is

worried that it will feed into this persuasive narrative. These are

Crusaders attacking Islam. He is worried that airstrikes alone will

not defeat Islamic State. Summing that is backed by a lot of people in

the military and it will propagate more fundamental radicalisation is.

A lot of people are saying that it just cements more problems and

brings terror to this country if we get involved. There has to be a Post

a strike plan and surely that has to involve the Arab states? We know

that militarily these things cannot be forged. Diplomacy is going to

have to be put into full swing. If you even go to militarily spot as

you are still going to have to deal with the aftermath and that requires

good international relations. The Arab states need to get involved

because it has to be good for their region. Look at how impractical that

is going to be, the West and the UK to not want Assad to be part of the

post-war negotiations. What Jeremy Corbyn is saying is that us sort out

the political response and find out what we're looking to achieve in

that country before we start bombing and radicalising the country. It was

inevitable that the call of a strike could grow in the light of what

happened in Mali, and much closer to home, in Paris. Sure, that does not

mean it is the right response. It is natural for people to say we need to

do something about this, but that does not always mean military

action. Diplomacy, if given time and space can work. Even if we do invade

Syria, long-term the real politics of the situation need to be solved.

The complexity of the tribal structures, the tenuous as of the

Borders in that part of the world almost every time we have had an

intention based on a particular reaction the unintended consequences

have overwhelmed what we expected. We need to bear that in mind in

whatever we decide to do. Let us look at the Financial Times, a $550

billion deal to create the world 's largest drug maker. This is

something unprecedented. Bill Gates said that if you want to move

industry in the future there is health, energy and innovation. And

this is the biggest health deal ever on our books. It will be the biggest

measure to come into the United Kingdom, in the United States and

Ireland. We spent a lot of time talking that how taxes are going to

pay for defence, NHS and now we have big corporations run to avoid tax,

we do need to think about this. How does is passed down mergers and

acquisitions regulations if we allow this to happen? They are going to

avoid paying 128 alien pounds of overseas tax. They will have a lower

tax threshold all over. A disco to show the tax policy of individual

nations, and the only way it becomes pay their taxes in an international

agreement. We do require drug companies to find ways to treat us.

Because governments are doing that because they are dwarfed by the

private sector. But they don't get let off on tax on this scale. Just

because you provide a service does not mean you get to pay taxes. Then

you enter services like Facebook and Google were they don't need to pay

taxes. Let us face with the Daily Mail, hypocrisy in the cinemas.

They've and the churches video of the Lord's prayer yet allow violent

video games to be shown to children. Discuss. This is an

interesting story because digital media has banned this advert, in my

mind outrageously, because they are worried that it will offend the

sensibilities of those coming in to watch the screening of the next Star

Wars film. What they are saying, quite legitimately with the support

of other religious leaders, and in deed, Richard Dawkins the arch

atheist of Western culture. I have some sympathy with that. I don't

believe in religion for one moment, my personal view is that it is all a

fairytale, but they should have the right to advertise if other people

are allowed to advertise discuss. I agree. Freedom of speech is not a

discussion this is an agreement. Is a row to Christmas, it is a possible

show, and it is a great marketing ploy to talk about faith. It is

unprecedented to do it in the cinema, but I would like to think

who they think they are going to offend? There is no survey been

done. Some good synergy between religion and the religious symbolism

of the force. Is not often that religious people and Richard Dawkins

come together. Made a force be with us and also with you -- may the.

Just to look at the press conference that was just happening a moment ago

where French prosecutors were telling us that there have been 19

raids in the Brussels region throughout the evening. 16 people

have then arrested. -- been. They tell us that the man that has been

on the run was not part of those arrests. A judge will have to decide

whether those people remain in custody or not. We will bring you

more details on who those people who were arrested after wrap the night

here on BBC News.