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have the goals from tonight 's's champion matches. That is all coming

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up. -- tonight's championship matches.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are the former US State Department official

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and law professor, Colleen Graffy, and the political editor

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The FT leads with Bank of England Governor, Mark Carney, who may serve

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a full eight-year term, three years longer than he originally promised.

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'The Special's Off' is the Metro's headline on the sacking of Chelsea

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He's the Independent's main picture but they lead with the social

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It warns Britain could drift further into what it calls an existential

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The Sun goes with a story of an elderly women who had over 50

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rat bites on her body after living in council sheltered accomodation.

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The Health Secretary has pledged to launch an investigation

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10,000 asylum seekers have vanished, according to The Express.

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It says the Home Office has admitted their whereabouts are unknown.

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The Telegraph leads with the software blunder that means

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thousands of divorced couples could have to go

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back to court because their assets weren't evaulated properly.

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And, 'Cameron faces deadlock over EU benefit plan' is The Guardian's take

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on the Prime Minister's EU negotiations in Brussels.

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The Mail claims that the scale of migration into the UK

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is being covered up, as 1.9 million national insurance

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numbers have been given to EU citizens in four years, while only

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Let us kick-off with that and staying with the Daily Mail. That

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meeting with David Cameron seeking those reforms of the EU. It finished

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about half-an-hour ago and we are waiting to hear from David Cameron,

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but there is a good picture on the top of the Daily Mail. Not quite a

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meeting of minds. Actually, let's listen in to David Cameron.

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This is a pathway to an agreement and I'm confident that after the

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discussion we have had. But the truth is that it will be hard work,

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not just on welfare but all of the issues that we have put forward,

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because they are substantial and they involve real change and they

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will need real decisions by all 28 members of the EU. I think that you

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can see from the conclusions published tonight, the nature of the

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progress. The conclusions make very clear that the European Council

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agreed to work closely together to find a mutually satisfactory

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solutions in all of the 4 areas at the meeting. Really good progress

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has been made but it is going to be tough. That is because we are

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attempting something very difficult, attempting something that

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has not been tried before or tried by another country, and that is to

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renegotiate our position inside this EU at a time of our choosing with a

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mandate of the British people behind us.

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Sorry about that. We seem to have lost that footage. We got the gist

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of what he was saying, actually, which is that he believes he has

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made really good progress but also that it is going to be tough going.

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He had been presenting those demands, those British demands, to

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his fellow EU leaders. As talks ended about half-an-hour ago. We

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would just reviewing the papers. I think we will go back to the Prime

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Minister now in Brussels. Adding to prosperity, which is one

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of the baskets I'm proposing is all about. And they want to know that

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this organisation is not creating unsustainable pressure on

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migration. I would say that what has happened today is that we have taken

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a big step forward for a better deal for Britain but there is still a lot

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of hard work to be done and it is going to have to be done between now

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and February 18. But there is a path through this to a better deal for

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Britain and I think that is good progress tonight, but as I say, a

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lot of hard work ahead of us. I have time for some questions. Sky News.

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Faisal Islam, Sky News. Was 20 change discussed in the near-term?

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-- treaty change. Was any other alternative to your welfare plan put

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on the table by yourself or any of the other 27 members? On treaty

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change, what I have always said is that it matters that change is

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legally and if treaty changes necessary, and I believe that it is,

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there should be a way to deliver that. That was discussed and I

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believe there is a good way through that. Angela Merkel has had a few

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things to say about that and it has well. In terms of welfare, I have

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not put any other proposals on the table top I put my proposal on the

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table at the table. The commission said they believed there were

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solutions. Not compromises but solutions. But I'm involved in a

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negotiation. My proposal remains on the table but I'm confident after

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tonight that we can find solutions and solutions, as the EU itself has

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put it, solutions in all four areas. Laura from the BBC.

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INAUDIBLE. Thank you. You came here saying that you wanted a real sense

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of momentum. Instead, we are hearing from other leaders tonight and from

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yourself messages about hard work and come from ice is still being

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required. That is not a sense of momentum but more the same. -- and

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compromises still be required. Not at all. You can have momentum and

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hard work. Donald Tusk has just come out today, saying he was very

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optimistic. Jean-Claude Juncker has its solutions are inside. Angela

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Merkel says we can find answers. There is momentum. There is enormous

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support in the room for finding changes to keep Britain in the EU. I

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think almost every person who spoke said that the EU is stronger with

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Britain in and we are better off in that way, so people want to find

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solutions. There is political will, there is momentum, but there is a

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lot of hard work to be done. I think it is notable that the conclusions

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published in a great night that we want to find satisfactory solutions

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in all four areas, that I think is a... I'm not saying this is not

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hard. It is hard. It is very hard. And it is going to take a lot of

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work. It is not just the welfare that is difficult. You are trying to

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bring about all the changes to make Europe competitive. That is hard

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work. Trying to make sure that national parliaments can get

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together and stop... That is hard work. But I have worked very hard at

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this travelling all across Europe and meeting leaders, having this

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discussion tonight, and I think there is a pathway through and that

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is why I'm saying that I think it has been a good discussion. Prime

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Minister, Prime Minister... From the Guardian? You are not from the

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Guardian any more! Good. That is a relief. They promoted me. Very

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briefly, the French president has said that you talked about a

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referendum in the middle of next year. Is that correct? Is that still

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your objective? Was a proposal of an emergency brake or shorter timescale

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in terms of a ban of EU migrants who was accessed welfare discussed? --

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EU migrants' access to welfare. I did not discuss that at all. I did

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not mention referendum timing. The commission said that they believe

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the work solutions, not compromises but solutions, on welfare and I

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thought that was interesting. My proposal remains on the table. This

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is a negotiation, a negotiation, but I thought that was an interesting

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phrase that they use. One last question. ITV. James. Prime

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Minister, given the amount of work is it still has to be done and the

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apparent intransigence up until now the other 27, how would you rate the

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chances of getting a deal done by February and thus the possibility of

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a referendum this year? I think, as I put it, that nothing is certain in

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life or in Brussels. But what I would say is that there was a

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pathway through this to a deal in February. It will take a lot of hard

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work but what I picked up tonight in the room was that there is a lot of

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goodwill and there is momentum. People want a deal that will keep

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Britain in the EU by giving us the opportunity in our referendum. But a

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great deal has to be done between now and then. In the end, tonight,

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what has been agreed after a substantial discussion is that we

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need agreement on all of those areas and we have seen lead after leader

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coming out and saying, yes, it is hard this is difficult, but there is

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momentum and we do want to get this fixed. And with that spirit, I will

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do everything I can to get this fixed because I want Britain to have

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a better deal. That is what this is about. And I think we have taken a

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step towards a better deal tonight. And there was the Prime Minister,

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saying really good progress but it will be tough. He said that in

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different ways several times. We also saw the prime ministerial seal

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going wonky. That will make all of the outline. Is Britain going wonky?

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How unfortunate. He's pretty confident. He said everybody was

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supportive of Britain but he said there was a lot of work still to

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do. When he popped out, we were reviewing the papers and the Daily

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Mail do have that front page saying it was not quite a meeting of

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minds... And he will not like that picture of him and Angela Merkel

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looking rather horrified at each other. There will be some late-night

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rewriting of some of these Tories, I think. His -- some of these stories.

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He is quite confident and you can tell that because he has arranged

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this press conference quite quickly. There is a lot of bravado.

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He has said I'm working very hard to get a deal, the deal is very hard

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work, I'm working even harder to get it. He is repeating himself but much

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of this is because he has to show the eurosceptics at home but what he

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is getting is a significant change. It is all about perception, really?

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Yes. Also that he emphasise we would get a deal on all four areas. We

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think three are pretty much in the bag but by emphasising all four, he

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is skating over the fact that one of them, the migration issue, is going

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to be the most difficult one. And watch in countries like Poland and

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Hungary and Slovakia and the Czech Republic thought to have fewer

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benefits or no benefits for their citizens that are coming to the UK?

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Frankly, the UK is an attractive place to work when you have good

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benefits and the potential for jobs, and so Britain does have that

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attraction, which is good, because the economy is doing better than

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other countries. But the downside is it is costing a lot. He said no

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compromises but there is wriggle room for having a ban on benefits

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than four. If we go on to the Times, the story on David Cameron

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backtracking on the migrant benefit cap... As you say, Jason, those

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stories are likely to be rewritten now. But they quote of the Belgian

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Prime Minister as saying that Cameron's starting point will

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certainly not be the destination. In other words, what he has set out to

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achieve will not be exactly what is achieved. Listen to the language. He

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said he has presented his proposals. There will be solutions, he said.

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Solutions is such a vague word. It leaves him open for softening,

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massaging that policy. There was one main thing that has come up

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tonight. Angela Merkel has, and said that there is a possible way forward

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here but it will require treaty change. -- Angela Merkel has come

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out and said. The timing of this referendum is still unclear but it

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must be done before 2017. If the treaty change is going to happen

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before or after the referendum, that is crucial. Because people won't

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know what they are voting for. How do you know you will achieve this?

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And treaty change will take a while? From the perspective of other

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leaders, they are dealing with the migrant crisis, they are dealing

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with the terror threat, and here is David Cameron saying he wants to

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change this and that. Do they see that as an irritant? I think they

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recognise that the Prime Minister has a very difficult situation on

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his hands and that the support for the EU is wafer thin in some areas.

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They don't want Britain to leave the EU. They are helping him. They

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wanted because it does not benefit Hungary, the Czech Republic or

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Slovakia is Britain is not part of the EU. -- they want to help

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because. But it is for most of them are tertiary issue. Not top of the

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agenda. But they know they have to address it. But it is top of David

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Cameron's agenda. They had 30 minutes as they ate a meal of

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venison this evening to listen to David Cameron but the real crunch

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meeting is in February. This was the entree. When the buns and start

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getting thrown and it soon gets built, that is February.

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The other big story of the day is Jose Mourinho. How can you not be a

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fan of him? If you are not a Chelsea fan you might not be. He is an

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attractive gentleman. Not that you want to date him because he seems to

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have some personal demon is that seemed to be causing his downfall,

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and it is unfortunate because he has a spectacular record, Chelsea fans

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adore him and I think they are very disappointed about what has taken

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place. But it just became untenable, as we were discussing

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earlier, the players seem to have lost faith, and that doesn't bode

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well. I was talking to a couple of sports journalists who have met him,

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and his public persona as being a bit self obsessed and brash is

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actually not what he is like. I heard it was an act he put on partly

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to protect his players. If a match went badly for him he would come out

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and blame everybody from the referee to the ballboy, to the way the grass

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was cut. But actually it was deflecting attention from how the

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players perform. What has happened here is they have turned against

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him. But why? There is a very good lesson here. A lot of it stems back

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to the way he treated the Chelsea Dock, who came onto the pitch to

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help Eden Hazard, and he complained, saying she could have

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lost a match for them. I think there was a lot of affection for her, and

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that was arrogance towards one of their own. This is one of the

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wealthiest football clubs in the world, and with all their money, if

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they can fall from grace, then anybody can. Before we start

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gloating too much, all the other big clubs start going, this is a lot of

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fun, they should be worried about it as well. In the end, the players are

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more powerful than the manager. No, the most powerful thing here is

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money. That you can get rid of the manager, you won't get rid of all of

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your players. It seems to have been a question of one or the other.

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Either you get rid of the team or the manager. This is a club that can

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only exist if it keeps playing in the Champions League. It has global

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brands, logos everywhere, the shirt sales, everything. It seems sad

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after five months of a bad season, after he has been fantastic for

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years, from Porto to Real Madrid. He has won the league for Chelsea three

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times, you would think that that much success, maybe you would be

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afforded a little bit of grace. He is absolutely brilliant. He makes

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great copy. He sells newspapers. You would think that perhaps he would be

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afforded a little bit of time to fail, one season's failure after all

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that success might not be too much to ask. I think he had this little

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cloud hanging over him after several... There is some form, so

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this time around it was too much. Let's move on to the Times, and they

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are talking about the weather, which is extraordinary at the moment.

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We're not talking about the holy and the Ivy for Christmas, we are about

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daffodils. It is so warm. It is a shame, because it used to be said

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that I was going to California for the winter, people would say, pretty

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soon it will be... Yes, we have the same here. It will be the hottest

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year on record, and it certainly has been mild. Is that climate change

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will just another year? It is El Nino, but it is exacerbated by

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man-made emissions,. El Nino is a cyclical weather phenomenon that we

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are used to everywhere in the world, but there certainly is a

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contribution from man-made emissions. This puts us about one

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degree over where we were in preindustrial times, and of course

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Copp 21 is looking at under two degrees, close to 1.5. This is not

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just going to warm the climate, it is more unsettled weather, more

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rain, it is much more diverse than people realise. It is interesting

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because climate change is a difficult thing for a lot of people

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to quantify. But when they feel it personally, perhaps walking around

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at the moment, you can just about go out in the T-shirt and see daffodils

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coming out of the ground. You suddenly think, maybe this is quite

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strange. A lot of it will come down to adaptation rather than

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litigation. Everyone is working on how they are going to reduce

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greenhouse gases, but also the fact that we are not going to be able to

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do enough quickly enough, so how do you adapt, so we will see champagne

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growing in England, for example. The Guardian has a story about George

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Osborne giving out some pretty big pay rises, allegedly to people

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around him. What is interesting about this is it was the last day of

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Parliament today, and the government released 424 pieces of information.

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Normally they release about 100. There was all sorts of bad news,

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which they tried to cover up in this blizzard of announcements, and this

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is the one that has made the headlines, about how George Osborne

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is giving his spin doctor, the person charged with making him

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presentable in the news, a 40% pay rise. You wonder whether she got the

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money deserved. Let's go on to the Telegraph and an interesting story

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about divorce, and a software blunder where if you were getting

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divorced and you fill in a form online about your assets and

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liabilities, actually the computer got it all horribly wrong and you

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may have to go back to the courts. There are about 20,000 individuals

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if they have gotten a divorce in the last 20 months and he filled out the

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form online, you want to try to find a way of going back and looking over

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records, because they did not do a proper analysis of what your

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financial payments should be, because they did not include

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liabilities and debts. Very upsetting, because it will be a

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bureaucratic nightmare to try to go back into the courts and get that

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changed. And a personal nightmare. You have just been through this

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uncomfortable separation and now you have to get back together and do it

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all over again. Only if you filled in the forms online, just to make it

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clear. Finally, I think this is your favourite story, Jason. Dog owners

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are being threatened over putting festive costumes on their pets. The

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RSPCA is worried that people who dress up their dogs in fancy dress,

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whether it is Christmas jumpers or antlers. Do they actually dress up

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dogs? Yes, people do. The RSPCA thinks it could be traumatic for the

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dog. Personally, I find wearing a Christmas jumper a bit traumatic.

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Could it be that dogs share this sense of shame? Are you forced to

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wear these items of clothing? I wouldn't say forced, but I can

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sympathise with dogs. Are you just putting them on because you have bad

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taste in clothing? We have had a lot of tweaks and e-mails saying that my

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dog would not be caught dead in these clothes. Many dogs are fine if

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they are in Dolce and Cabanas, but it is just the ones who are having

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to wear TK Maxx. Many don't have to wear sweaters at the moment because

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it is so warm! Let's get the latest forecast from

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