18/12/2015 The Papers


18/12/2015

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north-west of the UK by Christmas. -- which may nudge into.

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And a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment. Here are the

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headlines. David Cameron has hinted that the EU referendum may be held

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next year seeing the UK will fundamentally change Italy strip

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with Europe. The Prime Minister said he was a step closer to getting

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their changes he wanted. 2016 will be the year we achieved something

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vital fundamentally changing the UK's relationship with the EU and

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addressing the concerns of the British people. The UN Security

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Council agrees a peace plan for Syria but without addressing the

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future of President Assad. Britain's last deep coal mine

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stopped production with the loss of 450 jobs. There was high emotion as

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workers worked their final shift. Energy giant empower has to pay a

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record fine. Half a million customers where wrongly billed.

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Coming up in Sportsday, is this the man for the mean time at Chelsea?

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Guus Hiddink flies in for talks but not in time to take charge of the

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match tomorrow. More reaction to the sacking of Jose Mourinho. And more

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news about the European rugby. Welcome to our look ahead to what

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The Papers will be bringing as tomorrow.

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The Financial Times leads with the David Cameron EU negotiation story.

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The paper says he has cleared the way for an EU referendum membership.

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The Sun says the number of foreign passport holders living in the UK

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has reached 5 million for the first time.

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The Times says doctors are handing out Botox perceptions without

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face-to-face consultations with patients.

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A mockery of justice is the headline in The Mail.

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The Telegraph says leading academics are claiming British universities

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have become to put it we correct. The Express claims some stores are

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offering discounts of up to 80% for Christmas shoppers.

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Let us start with the EU vote. Britain to decide in summer. Cameron

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says referendum can be held next year after good process. I am sure

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bookmakers are running audits on this about when exactly it will

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happen. What intrigues me about this story is that David Cameron is not

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daft. Ack walked about him is that he is a poker player. He only bets

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when the Carter in his favour. He is not the kind of person who publicly

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goes into a negotiation without knowing he is going to win it. And

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yet these EU leaders are still coming out saying they will not give

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him what he wants. How is he going to achieve this effectively by

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February in order to get a referendum on the table in June?

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What does he know that we do not? Do you know? I do not. This is part of

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the thing. From the outside it looks that he has been cack-handed in his

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negotiations and then suddenly he has pulled a rabbit out of a hat and

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although he leaders have sat around. They are not going as far as he

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wants them to go perhaps but he is definitely where he wants to be.

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Maybe he does not what he is doing. What are you hearing. #

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This headline that Britain to decide in summer seems fairly certain.

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Earlier in the week I heard from Tory sources in Europe saying

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September was the date. That was largely by a process of elimination.

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That is stretching some are a bit. They are saying June or July. There

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are elections in May. It is very close to then have another thought

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in June. In July you get into summer, people go on holiday. The

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Scottish school holidays start at the end of June. He will be in

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trouble if he has to have it in July. The SNP will kick-off. Idea

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not predict. I suspect it will be later than June or July. What about

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the red lines on in work benefits for migrants? That four-year delay

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between arriving in this country and being able to clean? No where near

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doors. He has got an emergency brake. Donald Tusk has given him an

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emergency brake summit of public services are going to be

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overwhelmed, I do not know who decides that, he will be able to put

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some sort of break on immigration. Is that a temporary measure? I am

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not sure of the mechanics but it is something, moving in the late

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direction. In February we have got the next European council meeting

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and then he says that will be the deadline then we will find out if he

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has been cack-handed. But legislation has got to be put in

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place to allow this to happen. That is the other thing. Do we then have

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a referendum based on an actual Agreement in stone or based on

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promises that things will change? Then other countries have to ratify

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it. That is a different proposal. Let us not get bogged down in that

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just now. The Independent, we are looking at a

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story here, part of our wider story about industry and the relationship

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between the banks and Government. The picture is of one of the miners

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after the last shift at the coal mine that closed today. There are

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still a lot of coal but it is more expensive. It is a very sad story.

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People of my vintage remember miners strikes. A huge union with huge

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power. NUM is down to 100 members. It is poignant. Christmas is around

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the corner. It is a sad story. You wonder why so many redundancies take

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place just before Christmas. Never a great time to lose your job, but

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Christmas as well? It is a great picture on the front of The

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Independent that such a sad story. We are reading elsewhere about mad

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Friday, people going out tonight and drinking lots and shopping lots and

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at the scene time people are losing their jobs. If we can set aside the

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devastation to that mining community for one seconds we now that the days

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of coal are numbered. We were hearing in Paris on the last week.

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True, but we are still using an awful lot of it. But is still in the

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ground. Let us look at The Telegraph. Politically correct

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universities are killing free speech. Academics are speaking out

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about censorship on campuses of anything that causes the slightest

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bit of offence is what The Telegraph says. I am not sure who the student

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centres are. They seem to be the spectral idea, people saying you

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cannot do this or that, but they do not seem to pin down in this article

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who these centres are. I am not sure about the work banning in stories

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like this. I hear about this being banned from literally festivals

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because of our character being too sensational, it turns out they have

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not been banned, they have just not been invited. I often wonder idea

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where that millions of other people also have not been invited to

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address students or appear at a festival. I have been banned from

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every university in the country in that case. Devastated. How far it is

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a ban and how far it is just an exercise of wanting to see someone

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speak or not I do not know. What are the up in arms about? Lots of things

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apparently. Some vehicles. The Sun. David Starkey. Cecil Rhodes. A

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statue of Cecil Rhodes. Indeed. Apparently some people want to take

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down the statue of Cecil Rhodes. Historic Bingen see it as a subject

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of historic interest. It is an object of historic interest. It is

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the balance you have to meet. This is what we do in society, finding

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the balance between something of historical interest, it just so

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happened that has a statue of a man who did terrible things in South

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Africa. Maybe it should be taken down now. But if we together thing

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down that cause somebody offence there would be nothing left. What is

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the barrier? What is the benchmark for offence? That is what we do as a

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society. We find that level. It changes over time. As banning

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somebody from wearing a or because they are not Mexican racist? Were

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they really banned? How can you bounce a buddy from wearing a

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sombrero? Is there somebody at all police at East Anglia University? It

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is an interesting issue but I never quite sure of where the actual

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balance is. There is another aspect to this story which is glossed over.

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It is a line that says because universities increasingly see

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fee-paying students as customers they do not bear to stand up to a

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small and focal minority. I have heard of people teaching at

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university who say that because students are paid so much money they

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expect certain grades and certain achievement and they do not expect

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their teachers to say, you have not earned through your work. It does

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seem to be a difficult issue of balance. The students now think the

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customer is always right. Something is going on on the campuses but at

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the minute it becomes a story about banning somebody was it is reduced

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to simplistic terms,. Boris Johnson could be made Foreign Secretary.

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When and why? Here is a man who knows about nuance. Boris Johnson.

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After he steps down from his term as London near in May it is expected

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that David Cameron will give him another job in or around the

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Cabinet. Foreign Secretary is a new one although The Telegraph generally

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know what they are talking about. Do we really want Boris Johnson

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stumbling around Europe as the face of Britain? But when he was mere of

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London he did a good job. That he not embarrass us at the Beijing

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Olympics? He would certainly be memorable on

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the world stage. If you have him in the cabinet you keep them close. It

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would be a good platform to stand against George Osborne. Does David

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Cameron want that? I am not sure. Daily Mail, riot suspects who

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refused to give names in court have charges chopped. What do you do to

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make somebody reveal who they are in court? I do not know what to make of

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this story. He has not everyone tried that? How difficult can it be

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to establish you sundered it is? A computer. Indeed. We are told to be

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very careful about our identity, that people can piece it together,

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yet these people went to court and refused to say who they are. If that

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is true it is outrageous. If you are somebody whose House or business was

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smashed up in these rights, and presumably they are men, they turn

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up, say they will not tell the name and walk out, that is outrageous. It

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then Quartz and MP. If you have to go to Peter Bull for the court it

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suggests your story might be desperate. Why? Be careful. He is a

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great man and a great MP that he is quite easy to get Quartz from. But

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this is the kind of thing you would expect to have a strong opinion on.

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If it was a stronger story you might have a stronger court. Maybe he is

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speaking up for a lot of people who could agree. Surely they could

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prosecute at another time anything to these people are. It is not worth

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the time to go after them and spent lots of resources. It needs more

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flesh on the bones. Daily Express, January sales started today. I know

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you cannot contain yourselves. Up to 80% of as stores/places. I cannot

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stand shopping at the best of times. What are we doing? 80% off would not

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tempt me to go to the shops today. I would not go near the place. I get

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all the shopping done beforehand. What do they do in January or Boxing

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Day? They will sell as bikinis judging by the weather. It gets

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earlier and earlier. I can remember when the January sales were in

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January. Then 20 Boxing Day. Now it is before Christmas. But a lot of

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shops have there sales on. There were some quite strong fumes

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on my train as I came into work. We will be back again at half past 11.

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More on the UN Security Council adopting the resolution on a Peace

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Process in Syria. Coming up in the programme:

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Hiddink's heading back

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