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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are Lisa Markwell the editor of the Independent of Sunday


and David Wooding, Political Editor at the Sun on Sunday


First, let's have a look at the front pages.


The Observer reports that leading Conservative Eurosceptics have


branded David Cameron's attempts to reform the Uk's relationship


with the EU as a farce, and warned that the new National Living Wage


will undermine efforts to cut immigration.


The Mail on Sunday leads with the resignation of the chairman


of the influential campaign group Conservative Way Forward -


a victim, it says, of the bullying row sparked by the apparent suicide


The Sunday Express carries the news of the death of Jimmy Hill


on its front page, while also detailing the number


of household guests the Queen is expecting for Christmas.


The Independent on Sunday says as many as 50,000 children in the UK


are being home-schooled and warns that many may be at risk


Women will be allowed to take part in front line combat within months,


according to what the Sunday Telegraph says are radical plans


Let's begin with the Sunday Times. Very big story. Let police shoot to


kill, says David Cameron. Officers to be protected from prosecution.


What do you do for a police officer who is expected to protect our skin


makes a split-second decision and gets it wrong? An extra ?34 million


The Home Office has given for armed officers. Because everybody wants to


see policing stepped up. Everybody wants to feel safe. That is really


going with, you know, nobody is going to push back against that. I


should think the Commissioner is absolutely delighted, because it is


running in tandem with this very difficult situation about the


shooting of Jermaine Baker. In Tottenham. It caused ill feeling.


Yes, as Cameron is trying to tread a line which makes the country feel


safer, sort of pacifies the police in dealing with... Having all these


extra demands on them, and at the same time going through this long,


drawn-out investigation. The one part of this everyone can get behind


is one of his key points about this review he has asked for, that there


will be no more investigations in the police actions that have passed


for months and months and years, because it is frustrating for


everybody. If it speeds up, if we have got something wrong or right,


have a final meeting, and move forward, that can only be a good


thing. That is true. That is part of the reason for the problem. There


was a meeting early in the week in which senior police officers said to


David Cameron and senior ministers that they could not get people who


wanted to be firearms officers, because it was no longer attracted,


because they feared that all would happen is that they would be blamed


for making the split-second decisions. Or they would be in front


of months and months of enquiries if they actually pulled the trigger at


any stage. In the present climate of terrorist alerts this is difficult


for them. There was also a political element to this in the David Cameron


will be slightly outflanking Jeremy Corbyn, who ran into some difficulty


in a few weeks ago when he said he was not happy with a shoot to kill


policy in the wake of the Paris shootings, which saw 130 people


dead. I think a lot of the general public frowned upon this. David


Cameron is basically saying, I want to throw my weight behind the police


to protect the public. And I am the person who puts national security


first. You are right. The Jermaine Baker case shows the difficulty of


it. Nobody wants the wrong person shot. Certainly nobody was anybody


to be targeted because of maybe race. Nobody wants that. Nobody


wants a police officer faced with a suicide bomber, or somebody with a


Kalashnikov, not to get it right. That is right. In the week before


Christmas people are out and about, as they are, in the centre of


London, if you go into an underground station it makes you


feel safer to see a police officer. It turned out not to be terrorism,


the chap in the underground station that was there a couple of weeks


ago. You want to feel a presence. The key to all of this is proper


training. And how much of that ?34 million will go towards people being


able to make the right decision in a split-second. It is how to do it


properly. That is always the case with the police. Are they being


trained correctly. Some of the judges have expressed alarm. Brian


Levenson, we remember from the press enquiries...


CHUCKLES You remember him? Seems like a long


time ago. Even he said there is a feeling that perhaps people are


having the benefit of hindsight a lot when these police officers,


working under extreme stress in crowded areas, try to protect the


public have to make these decisions. It is very difficult. Court room, TV


studio, thinking about it. Let's move on. Labour could split into two


macro parties to survive says a key adviser, Peter Hyman. He says


fundamentally there is a split between those that you could call


socialist and those you could call social Democrats. But he does not


label them thus. We will be watching the Labour Party for the last 99


days. Tomorrow is the 100th day since Jeremy Corbyn became leader.


Peter Hyman, Tony Blair's former speech writer and former chief


strategist is saying there is a very small element of the parliamentary


Labour Party which is to the left and a sizeable chunk of the


membership who are now to the left. And the only way the Labour Party is


going to get power is obvious, in many ways, go for the centre ground.


In fact, I would say, if you look back at five of the last six Labour


leaders, if you discount John Smith who tragically died before he stood


for election, all lost general elections. Only Tony Blair won. Why?


Because he was occupying the centre ground. Ed Miliband couldn't do it.


James Callaghan, Gordon Brown, Michael foot, they certainly


couldn't do it. And there is a feeling Jeremy Corbyn cannot do it.


Do they split or we gain the party? -- Michael Foot. Peter Hyman would


say this. There is nothing terribly surprising in this headline, or


indeed in what he says. But there is a poll in the Observer saying 50% of


Labour supporters believe Jeremy Corbyn is a principled person. It is


not just Labour supporters, it is all of the voters. 50% of them


believe he is a principled person. You know, we come back to the same


thing, it is the difference between the MPs and the sort of party, you


know, who have been loyal to Tony Blair, and the electorate. The ?3


members. All of that. How they feel about Jeremy Corbyn. They won't be


popping champagne, but, whatever the socialist equivalent of champagne


is. Because Jeremy Corbyn is in it for the long run. He was interviewed


on the Sunday Times and he said he is going to be there for the long


run. The other story we haven't touched on, the splits in the


Conservative Party over Europe. Liam Fox, former member, is saying this


basically is not going anywhere. This is bubbling away very heavily


under the surface. We are probably writing -- we probably would be


writing a lot more about it if Jeremy Corbyn wasn't the great gift


that keeps giving to the media. In the Independent on Sunday, David


Blunkett is saying there will be a takeover. Within the Labour Party.


It is in century. Everybody is weighing in. -- it is incendiary.


They say it is a Labour grassroots movement which happens to be very


supportive... We are having a story that Momentum will join the Labour


Party and influence it within. It would be a change to the actual


structure. This goes back to Jeremy Corbyn's idea that he will return


the power of policy-making to conference, which always used to


happen in the days before John Smith. To go back to your original


point, isn't this the thing that bores voters rigid? Resolution, that


and this, most people are thinking about, can I put food on the table,


will my children be able to go to university, which school are they


going to get into? That is one of the problems Jeremy Corbyn is having


to cut through. We are all hearing about the mandate of the Labour


membership. A lot of campaigners are protesting about it. Yes, the won,


but many voters are saying that he does not talk about the things we


are interested in, he is a London centric politician and he does not


appeal to us on our issues. -- P -- he won. The Department for Education


has no reliable figures and the worry is that some students will be


radicalised. What did you think was interesting about this? I have any


political editor. He is diligently working away on things which are not


the obvious. Watching him closely. CHUCKLES


All of the Tory bullion, Labour splits, you know, what else is going


on? At the end of term, if you like, quite a lot of interesting stuff is


around. -- bullying. This is the Department for Education at


admitting that they don't have any figures about how many children ask


scored outside traditional classrooms. They say it is anything


from 20 to 50,000. That is a huge number. The Department for


Education... Our journalism is not suggesting that all of those are


being radicalised somewhere in the country, nevertheless,


home-schooling is not vigorously monitored. It all. In fact, Ed balls


suggested a review saying there should be more close inspection of


it. -- Ed Balls. But always knocked it down before the election. Now we


are saying, what is going on, we must have a review. Some home


educated children it works brilliantly for all sorts of reasons


they are not in mainstream schools, which I understand. That is


terrific. But they should be inspected and it should be


registered properly. But there is a percentage of parents who are


teaching their children and ideology which isn't being balanced out by


anything else they would get in a classroom. It is the worry. -- an


ideology. We want to stop it before it starts, that is something many to


look at, so that is the story. It is a microcosm of bigger picture of all


of these schools where there is a fear of radicalisation. We have


overlooked the fact that some are being taught by their own parents.


Again, are these the families you hear about anecdotally where the


husband keeps the white indoors, she is not allowed to go out, she is not


allowed to mix, doesn't even know how to speak English. If that is the


sort of thing that is going on, we need to break into that. -- the wife


in borstals typically make a choice when your child is young never to


enter them into the school system, that is why there is no figures. --


EQ make a choice when your child is young. These children are not on our


radar. We have to understand the figures and do something about it.


Firstly, people are worried about radicalisation, but on the other


hand parents have the right to do what they think is the best for


their children. We don't like the idea of government coming into our


homes, telling us to do anything. That is Jokic isn't it? Yes. One of


my colleagues educated his children through primary school years. --


that is tricky, isn't it cost up some children find school very


stressful setting. -- isn't it? It is the understanding and


supporting of parents who want to do it. And at the same time sort of


keeping an eye on it. That is what is key to this. My colleague was


expected once in four years. Really? A home inspection from Ofsted. Yes,


you would have to tidy up the kitchen!


CHUCKLES If the numbers were this high it


would be great to have a support network to make it work properly.


That might be a way of stamping out the problems, as well as supporting


those who want to do it. I think we will hear more about this. The Mail


on Sunday has made quite a lot of this story, bullying scandal,


another top Tory resigns. This is all over the Tatler Tory. This might


have had more focus at the paper is not spent so much time and Jeremy


Corbyn. I must admit, some of us privately scoffed at this story when


it started. It involved the sad death of a young man. Having been


bullied by somebody of whom we'd never heard before. The characters


involved are not big names. Credit to them, they have kept banging away


at this story. They have had to resignations. One minister who was


apparently blackmailed, who resigned over an affair. Grant Schatz


standing down as a minister because he allegedly received e-mails from


this man, Mark Clark, the man at the centre of the bullying allegations.


Now we have another unnamed, unknown man. Named but not known. Exactly.


He was in this group set up by Margaret Thatcher. Big admirer of


Margaret Thatcher. He spent ?200,000 on items from her wardrobe. Her


clothes sale the other day. Yeah, and he is now involved in various


different ways. What is interesting about him is that he is allegedly


best friends with Greg hands, who is George Osborne's fixer. Then you


have Feldman as a close personal friend of David Cameron. That is


when it gets more interesting. You start to see the links. You see the


6 degrees of separation which becomes four degrees and then two


degrees. It is the scalp everybody wants, this person is central to


what is going on in the Tory party. Not many who nobody knows about. As


it turns out moving towards America anyway. -- not Blaney. The


Conservative Party celebrates this by lying handbags, yet the Labour


Party dislikes their former leaders. Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair won


three elections. Margaret Thatcher is put upon a pedestal by her party.


She did some bad things. She destroyed mining communities, some


would say, but she did some good things. Tony Blair did some good


things. Sure start centres can education reforms, quite a lot of


good stuff. The minimum wage. But also, the only thing the Labour


people think of him for is Iraq and they revile him. It is one of the


biggest mistakes Ed Miliband made when he attacked his own party's


record when he should have been talking about the good things. In my


personal view. That the Telegraph has drivers face tougher fines to


stop mobile phone use. Do you see people on their mobile phones when


driving? I saw somebody the other day with a mobile phone and a


cigarette while driving. A juggling act. Yet deeply illegal and


dangerous. Highly dangerous. I am astonished. The amount has gone from


?100 up to ?150. It is kicking us. It should be ?1000. It is putting so


many lives at risk. -- it is ridiculous. It is irresponsible. You


see it all the time. By putting up the amount by such a small amount is


stupid. You will get an extra point. For lorry drivers it is potentially


going to double the amount of points they get, from three to six. And


they are probably the highest offenders. If you get to that level,


if it jeopardises your income because you are not allowed to


drive, then maybe you are talking about something. I don't think this


penalises enough. There have been many prosecutions for people using


their mobile phones. While at the wheel. Lorry drivers, apart from


anything else come on a practical note in the newsroom last night, it


is quite difficult to see lorry drivers using them. It has got to


become unacceptable like drink-driving, not wearing a seat


belt. Things have changed. Probably in the reckless state it is --


probably in the reckless stakes it is close to drink-driving. If you


see somebody driving badly, invariably you will see them using


their phone. People texting behind the wheel. I was driving the other


day through London, there was a car in front of me, it was moving around


badly, and then it mounted the pavement and then came back on the


road again. When I overtook it to get past it I noticed the driver was


still on the phone texting. Staggering. There is a good radio


campaign at the moment talking about it takes one second, it was one


text, it was one reply, it was one glance. Radio is effective because


it makes you stop and think. We all think we are special and different.


I'm just going to glance very quickly to make sure somebody has


picked up my daughter from school, what ever it might be, that is all


it takes. It must be hammered home. We have a couple of minutes left.


Jimmy Hill, the passing of Jimmy Hill. I don't know about either of


you but he was a great figure for me to watch over the years. He crossed


generations and all aspects of the sport. He was a player, he was a


manager, he was a linesman at one game. He turned up when a linesman


took ill in Liverpool Arsenal match. You remember that one! He broke the


maximum wage. He was paid ?20 himself, led the first ?100 per week


player which was Jonny Hayes at Fulham. Boss of Coventry City. He


brought in the first all-seater stadium and the first electric


scoreboard. What else? Match of the Day man. Were you a fan? Yeah! The


headline in the sun newspaper, rest chin peace. One of the most famous


beards in television. When the news broke of winter our online operation


and said, just so you know, Jimmy Hill has died, we are getting an


appreciation together. The website is operated by much younger people


and they all knew exactly who it was. They were all interested. It


goes across all generations. He wasn't without his, shall we say,


unreconstructed views from time to time, but...


CHUCKLES He was of his generation. Yes. But


what he did for the players, that was a benchmark moment. What ever


you think about how much they get paid now, the fact that football


players at the time by not valued, it was important the did something.


Thank you very much. Just a reminder we take a look


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