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to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
With me are Tim Shipman, political editor of the Sunday Times, | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
and Oliver Wright, political editor of the Independent. | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
We can have a look at the front pages. | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
The Observer leads with figures from the World Health Organisation | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
The health body declares it a global public-health emergency, | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
will overwhelm health services across the globe. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
The Sunday Express writes that millions of families can expect | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
higher council-tax bills and bigger cuts to public services | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
because of Conservatives' plans to reduce county council budgets. | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
The Mail on Sunday headlines a poll which suggests | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
the campaign for Britain to leave the EU is now six points ahead. | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
It blames the Paris massacre, Cologne sex attacks | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
and the Syrian crisis for the shift in opinion. | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
The Telegraph unveils a new alliance of Conservative MPs | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
that plans to push for Britain to stay within the EU. | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
They warn against Britain leaping into the void. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
The Independent on Sunday has an exclusive interview | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
with the head of Interpol who says criminal gangs | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
made ?4 billion last year by smuggling refugees into Europe. | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
And rhe Sunday Times leads with the terrorist attack | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
in Burkina Faso in which 29 people were killed. | :01:35. | :01:43. | |
Lots of other bits and pieces within those pages, let's kick off with the | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
Sunday Telegraph, I think, lots of stuff about the European Union | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
across the Sunday papers. Europe is everywhere we look! I have spent all | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
week on the phone to Conservative MPs desperately trying to get them | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
to talk about anything else, but no, it is Europe everywhere. This story | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
that Nick Herbert, the former Police Minister, is leading a new group of | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
Tories who wants to stay in the European Union. This makes a change, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
about eight groups want to leave, but David Cameron has a bit of a | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
coup, Nick Herbert was an arch Eurosceptic who led a group that was | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
the campaign group which kept Britain outside the euro. He worked | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
alongside Dominic Cummings, the guy who was trying to get us out of the | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
EU now, and he is taking the opposite view, setting up this | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
group. A bit of good news for a change on Europe for the Prime | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
Minister. New Tory alliance fights to stay in European Union, which | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
emphasised we do not even know when the referendum is going to be. The | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
funny thing about this if there is a difficulty with negotiating with 27 | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
other European countries is rather easier than negotiating with all the | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
factions within his own Cabinet! I mean, Herbert is interesting, he was | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
a minister at the start of the coalition government, he then rather | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
fell out of favour, he was policing minister, he has been on the | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
backbenches, and you wonder if this is a deal, after a successful | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
renegotiation, he would come back as a minister. I am only speculating. | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
No, it is really tricky for Cameron, how do units together bits of the | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
party so that the splits do not appear too bitter, too personal, and | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
come out of the referendum, whichever way it goes, without an | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
utterly divided party? Lots of papers talking about this, do you | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
think the nation as a whole is as interested in this as journalists | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
and politicians? Journalists are not even that interested, we just have | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
to find something to talk about! The short answer is no, I had a long | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
lunch, as it were, with a member of the in campaign, and they have been | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
doing a lot of focus groups, and he says nobody is paying any attention. | :04:02. | :04:10. | |
A lot of people are vaguely aware that David Cameron promised a | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
referendum, but not that he is undergoing the renegotiation, that | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
it is due to come to a head in four weeks' time, and the idea that we | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
might be deciding in June or July is passing by the vast majority of | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
people in this country. People know it is terribly important but they do | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
not care. Scotland utterly electrified everyone, and I do not | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
think it is going to change, I may be completely wrong, but even when | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
we get closer, I think there will be a fair amount of apathy. As oppose | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
we need a date. We should know Brother Tedd Lee Seung Hoon, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker was saying he's pretty confident about the deal in | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
February. -- we should know a date pretty soon. So that is the | :04:53. | :05:02. | |
shadow-boxing going on in the Cabinet, but the Mail on Sunday | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
leads with a really interesting poll, EU shock, out of vote storms, | :05:06. | :05:16. | |
and they have put this in a box, 6% air two, to emphasise just how | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
important they think that is. -- 6% ahead. Two things, remember the | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
election and the polls. It is a long way out and people are not thinking | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
about it. There is probably some truth that things like the Cologne | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
sex attacks, the more that comes into the migration crisis, the | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
morbid plays into it. The history of all this is quite interesting. If | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
you go back to 1973, look at the polls then, they showed the people | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
who were anti-European were leading in the polls but the result went the | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
other way. I think there will be quite a big change as time goes on, | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
when people think, what would really happen if we leave? The figure that | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
is missing is how many people do not know, are not of polls are showing a | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
large number of them, and both people think it is the underside and | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
are the key to this. There is about a third who are resolute to stay, a | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
third that our resolute to leave, and the game is about winning the | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
moderate people who do not much like the EU but are a bit frightened | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
about leaving. One of the interesting things, both campaigns, | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
the in campaign wants to play up Nigel Farage, because they think he | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
is good for the underside ands, that they are more likely to be | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
pro-European the more they see of him. The league campaign also think | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
that, so they are trying to show this positive future outside the | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
European Union union and not mention Farage too much, he is somehow the | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
toxic element, even though he has significant support, it is the | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
people who do not like which need to be persuaded. Let's have a look at | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
the Sunday Times, eight Tim Shipman story, PM's secret EU master plan, | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
you can tell us about it. It links the two, this says that if Boris | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
Johnson were involved in the out campaign, the gap would be 8%, not | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
six. He is seen as a pivotal figure, and part of what we are appealing | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
today is the plan to get Boris to stick with Cameron and vote in. One | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
of the rabbits from the hat that the Prime Minister plans to pull is to | :07:32. | :07:42. | |
bring in some kind of change in domestic law, outside the | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
renegotiation with the other countries, he wants to bring in some | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
kind of domestic law that will say that Britain and Parliament has | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
supremacy over European law, an idea that Boris floated a few months ago. | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
It was widely dismissed at the time, but it is back on the table, and the | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
cunning wheeze that the PM has come up with, Michael Gove is the other | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
guy that he wants on site, and he has got Michael Gove, the Justice | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
Secretary, to find out the best way of implementing what Boris wants. By | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
doing that, you bring the two of them in, they will vote with | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
Cameron, and the members of the Cabinet to vote to leave will be | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
more marginal figures, like Chris Grayling and Iain Duncan Smith. | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
Everybody knows they have taken that Eurosceptic position, but the | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
waverers are being brought in with this plan. Two other elements just | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
to bore you completely! Do not bore anyone, it is Saturday night! We are | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
trying to enthrall people! The emergency brake that they were | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
talking about on migrants is back in, Downing Street have been | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
pretending it is not happening, but I am told by ministers that it is. | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
They want to get everybody to sign up and say membership will be called | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
something slightly different, associate membership or something | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
like that. It looks like windowdressing, but they think it | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
might persuade people. That is another Europe for one thing! Let's | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
go to the front of the Sunday Times, Oliver, this is grim, Westerners | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
targeted in hotel carnage, Burkina Faso, another horrible week. A | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
really grim attack, there is possibly a danger in linking to many | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
of these attacks and suggesting there is one over Raajih control to | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
all of this. -- overarching. These are local groups often with local | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
grievances beyond Islamic fundamentalism, but it shows the | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
vulnerability of places, not just places one might think of as being | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
insecure, but Paris, now across West Africa. Anyone who says we are safe | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
in London, well, think about 7/7, it just shows the global vulnerability | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
we have got when people are prepared to lose their own lives in an | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
attack. One of the interesting things is that this attack is being | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
seen as Al-Qaeda inspired, that group of Islamists. In recent times, | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
we have been concentrating on what Isis have been doing, but there is | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
this tension, the international bogeyman for years and years have | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
been eclipsed by this other group in Syria and Iraq, and it is part of | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
the internal tension. Even the war between Islamist groups for | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
attention, to kill the most Western tourists, that sort of thing. And | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
the other thing, this is a terrorist attack in central Africa where no | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
British people have been hurt, and it is on the front page of a | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
national newspaper. When I was growing up, Ouagadougou was a good | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
quiz answer, what is the capital of the Lord, as it was then? This is | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
something happening a long way away, but we feel it impacts on our world. | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
-- Upper Volta. The other interesting thing is the French | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
special forces coming in so quickly, that is not a spur of the moment | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
thing, the fact that they got involved is very interesting. I want | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
to talk about the Independent, Jeremy Corbyn is on the front, | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
record profits for people smugglers, and then a very long and in-depth | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
interview about Jeremy Corbyn in the Independent. There is a lot of very | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
serious stuff in here, but I want to mention the fact that he has a cat | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
which he has never named. It pains me to say it as someone who is | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
interviewed Jeremy Corbyn, but this is the best interview with him that | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
I have ever seen by some distance. There is one good Newsline, the | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
Labour Party is tearing itself apart on Trident, he is integrating there | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
will be a free vote in the Labour Party. That is good news. He is | :11:47. | :11:54. | |
ruling out giving political Honours, that is a pretty good line. For | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
serving politicians. But what everybody is going to focus on, and | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
one can imagine the tabloids having fun with this tomorrow, he admits he | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
has a black and white cat that he has never named, and he addresses it | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
as El Gato, Spanish for cat. One can only imagine what his political | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
opponents will do. I think that is fine! Being slightly suggestively | :12:19. | :12:32. | |
foreign, including the mild racism of its critics, this is a bloke who | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
addresses the cat he has never named in Spanish. El Gato, it sounds grand | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
and majestic, it is fine, it is a name. It is a magnificent piece of | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
journalism. We don't want to trivialise this, he talks about | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
Trident, but when he calls the cat in, he does not call its name, but | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
he whistles Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around The Old Oak Tree. And he | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
whistles it because he cannot sing, he tells us! It makes the point that | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
cuts recognise voices, not names. Lest we be accused of trivialising | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
the Labour leader, it is a serious interview. Yes, Tim makes the point | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
about honours, that is interesting, and he says that he will allow a | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
free vote on Trident when it comes up in the Commons in the next few | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
months ahead of the party having an official position. Particularly | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
interesting, he suggests they may not go down a fully unilateral | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
approach, ie we will get rid of existing submarines, we will not | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
replace any of them. He suggests there might be a compromise of a | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
small fleet or maybe just having the possibility of developing nuclear | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
weapons in a shorter space of time if we needed to in the future. In | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
most of his public statements, he has sounded quite reasonable, has | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
wanted to be conciliatory, and the problem that Labour is having is | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
that a lot of the people around him are the one with the hard-line views | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
who are trying to force him into these positions. Again, an | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
interesting retreat, we will see what Ken Livingstone says tomorrow, | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
what John McDonnell says. Will they back a non-unilateralist policy on | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
nuclear weapons? We will see. John McDonnell has been a force of | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
moderation. The good news is that you can discuss that later, that is | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
it for the moment, we will get you copies and you continue in another | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
room. -- coffees. Tim and Oliver will be back at 11:34 another look | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
through the papers. Coming up next, it is Reporters. | :14:47. | :14:49. |