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Laura Trott has won gold in the UCI cycling World Cup in Hong Kong. And

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now we have Gavin with the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday

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morning edition of The Papers. With me are writer and broadcaster

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Eve Pollard and Editorial Director with the Sunday Times -

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Eleanor Mills. The Observer leads with figures

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from the World Health Organisation The health body declares it

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a 'global public health emergency" - warning that poor air quality

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will overwhelm health services The Sunday Express writes that

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millions of families can expect higher council tax bills and bigger

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cuts to public services because of Conservative plans

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to reduce county council budgets. The Mail on Sunday headlines a poll

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which suggests the campaign for Britain to leave the EU

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is now six points ahead. It blames the Paris massacre,

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Cologne sex attacks and the Syrian The Telegraph unveils a new alliance

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of Conservative MPs that plans to push for Britain to stay

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within the EU. They warn against Britain

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'leaping into the void'. The Independent on Sunday has

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an exclusive interview with the Head of Interpol who says criminal gangs

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made ?4 billion last year And The Sunday Times leads

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with the terrorist attack in Burkina Faso in which 29

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people were killed. The Sunday Telegraph has got the

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story of the week, something to do with the EU. This is about the new

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Tory alliance fighting to stay in the EU. What do you make of it?

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Probably many people will buy papers which actually lead on the EU,

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because it is a long way head. Nick Herbert, people thought he might be

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on the other side, he is now leading a pro-Europe campaign. What is more

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interesting, David Cameron seems to have, there seems to be a sense that

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he is getting some real things into the pro-euro stance which will

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change the views of people. Michael chromite be able to produce a new

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law -- Michael Crow might. The Germans. Where is the law does not

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suit that country, they will have an overriding thing -- the Germans

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have. Bridges courts will decide -- Bridges courts will decide

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ultimately. -- British. Yes, that will make a difference. Michael Gove

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has been told by Tabor Cameron, to come up with a way to make sure that

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Westminster can come up with a way to trump the EU -- has been told by

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David Cameron. There will also be a new status for Britain as a semi is

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shaped it member of Europe. -- semi-associated. The pro-Europe camp

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will have some good lines, some good notes to sing, rather better than we

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thought, and David Cameron seems to have pulled off the coup of getting

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Boris Johnson and Michael Gove into his pro EU tent. They are seen as

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the big beasts. In the Mail on Sunday, they say that 6% more people

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would like to leave the EU. We will come onto that in a moment, but back

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to the Sunday Telegraph. Page 19, Taiwan turns its back on China to

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elect a first female president. This lady has got fairly strong views

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about not reintegrating with China, as the Chinese would want. It will

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be interesting to see how they react. It will, with a very happy to

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see a woman being elected as president, but she seems to be of an

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ordinary background. Sometimes in Asia these things go in families,

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but she seems to be very pro-independence and she has warned

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China not to mess about. I seem to remember that Chairman Mao's widow

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played an interesting role in China in the past, not one that you would

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like. Like Nancy Reagan! Chairman Mao said that women held up half the

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sky and he was very pro-women. This is interesting, she is also western

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educated, in England, she was a professor at Harvard and she became

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involved in politics through negotiating interest --

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international trade deals, she seems to be a bit like Angela Merkel, she

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is a great one for consensus. She is part of the Democratic Progressive

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party, which is anti-becoming part of China, but she's very good in the

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negotiating room, in finding ways for everyone to benefit. As women

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are. I think it is really interesting that she has become

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elected there, in such an interesting time for that region.

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What is fascinating, the photograph. We are not worried about the hair

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and the glasses, she has a brain and she has been elected, paraphrasing.

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The parallel with Angela Merkel is quite interesting. Not just a

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personal triumph, but for her party, the party has won seats in

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parliament, as well. If you are in Taiwan, that is a brave move, if you

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think you are a small island off the coast of China. What this woman is

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doing, she is allowing micro deals to happen with China, she has opened

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the way for Taiwanese businesses to deal business legally on the

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mainland, she's a real pragmatist. It will be very interesting. The EU

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shot in the Sunday mail, this is based on the opinion polls which

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were so reliable at the last general election! That is right, many of

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them were convinced that Labour would win. They were completely

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wrong. As a former editor, having paid for these polls, and in my days

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you pay ten grand, it is probably double now. It says it would be 8%

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ahead if Boris Johnson led the pro-QuickCam. -- pro quit camp. Will

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he stay loyal with David Cameron, or will he be tempted? If he was going

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to do that, he should have done that by now, he threw his hat into the --

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if he was going to throw his hat into the leading campaign, that

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moment has passed, but I think he has been seduced by David Cameron.

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We have a very interesting story about Jeremy Hunt, looking like he

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will be toppled as the Health Secretary because he has not managed

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to avert the junior doctors strike. Boris Johnson might go in as the

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health minister. Lucky man. That is the hospital pass, you might say. In

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a funny way, Boris, when he does that, did I pressed the button, has

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world War three started? -- press. That might work with the doctors. We

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are all sceptical about opinion polls, but it might be true that

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people have changed their views because people are not really...

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People don't wake up in the morning, apart from a small minority, and go

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on about the Human Rights Act, but they do think about economy and

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immigration, and those kind of things, which could change votes.

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There is a massive shift going on in Europe, a million refugees in

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Germany, we saw what happened in Cologne last weekend, even the

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liberal consensus is fractured around how that an idea this is, we

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are seeing wearing of elements in Eastern Europe where the right wing

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parties are on the rise. -- we are seeing worrying elements. Germany is

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dealing with this. And here, people are looking, and they know we have

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had huge number of people from Eastern Europe, there are new

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migrants in Germany, and people are very worried about not wanting to

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many more. The events in Cologne was so disgusting, even though it was a

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small minority of people involved, and that changes perceptions. It was

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not just in Cologne, and I have a friend who is in German, and they

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said, beating that split the Germans, it was not in the

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newspapers for three days -- the thing that spooked the Germans. It

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was like the government controlling the media, and I was told that one

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paper has closed off certain online letters pages because they said the

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views they are getting, they don't agree with. They are getting

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anti-immigration. You will have a huge amount of anxiety within the

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German population, it is dangerous to dampen down the debate and not

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talk about the concerns. One final point. 8% if Boris Johnson led the

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exit campaign, do you see him as a vote winner in the sense that, in

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London, that was one of the new places in the country where Labour

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increased their vote, and he is the Mayor of London? Is he a vote

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winner? People vote differently for different things. I do think, Boris

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has always had the Heineken effect, it can reach the people that other

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politicians can't reach, because he does have the capacity to speak in a

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more vernacular jolly way. Most human. I don't know how much of that

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is really true, some of us might despicable but he does that have

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affected my people think he's more like one of them -- some of us might

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dispute but he does have that effect. Some people are very much

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against the EU, and the pro camp I think will make very good economic

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argument is, in the same way they did in Scotland with the referendum,

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and people's concerns about the economy will carry the day, I think.

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And now to your own paper. The third attack from Islamist 's in five

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days, leaving 25 dead in Burkina Faso. -- Islamist. It could be the

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fourth attack, in fact, if you include Istanbul. Different places,

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different cultures, quite often Muslim people are the targets. The

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social media is so powerful now, all over the world, this was Al-Qaeda,

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but they are watching Isil, they are watching the videos all the time.

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The other thing, people are travelling to countries where they

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have no idea this might happen, no one going to Burkina Faso would have

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thought they might be at the wrong end of a gun. What is happening,

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Westerners are being targeted quite often by these Islamic... This is

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very specific, the smartest hotel in Burkina Faso, where they have hit

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Westerners. The report says they were looking for white people. It is

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a horrendous account from an older French woman, who says she was

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trying to describe her feet because they were white and people were

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looking for the white people in the room and shooting them several times

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to make sure they were dead. Tourism to many countries that we go to full

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winter sunshine has gone down. There is a focus in one paper that says

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you can get a Holiday Inn Egypt, shone out shape, for just ?500 --

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holiday in Egypt. Would you go there with your children? I don't think

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so. What is worrying so many people, they don't really know, but they

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think they could go where the sun is going to shine, and papers will now

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produce lists of Muslim countries where it is more dangerous or they

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feel they have been attacked before. I thought the best story in your

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paper was page nine, Coca-Cola have funded a study suggesting that fizzy

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drinks are great for your diet. That was a surprise. Bristol University

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did a look at 5000 studies of soft drinks, and they came up with a

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intriguing line, diet drinks made you lose more weight than drinking

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water, and of the 5000 studies, or the rest said that wasn't true, but

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there was one study funded by the American beverage foundation and

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they said diet things were better for you -- all the rest. That is

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absolute rubbish. We have done a series of stories about how the

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drinks industry, be sugary drinks industry, has funded research,

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saying they are not as bad for you as we think, but I think we are

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entering a cigarette territory, people will start selling them, the

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evidence is mounting up so fast, drinking litres of Coca-Cola is bad

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for you. And also diet Coke. There is a very powerful lobby, food and

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drink, it is pretty hard to work out if you buy something, how many

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calories are in it, how much sugar is in it. It has ripped toes,

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lactose, all sorts of other things. I want to buy something, to SARS if

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it has a lot, one started has none, no stars for no sugar -- two stars

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if it has a lot, one star has none. They have managed to hold off,

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presumably because they give a lot of money. They are digging into who

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is doing the studies. Another part of this story which I thought was

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very interesting, you said the university did not find space to be

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able to mention, which is very interesting. If you look at who we

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trust, polls suggest that we trust universities and things which are

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researched, and scientists, and if you have something which is

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published which is based on this research and put out by Bristol

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University... The drinks industry are very clever people. And also the

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people behind chocolate, those chocolate bars are very good for you

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exclaim aggro what is terrifying is the black -- problem on childhood

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obesity. Some of this sugary drink is cheaper than bottled water. Tap

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water, that is my tactic. 30 seconds. Brilliant Broad take six

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wickets as England clinch the Test series. England's cricketers go up

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and down. That is a lovely headline. Alastair Cook says he had that look

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in his eyes, it sounds cliched, cliched, on a sports page? It is

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great to see England doing so well, after the Rugby World Cup, which was

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a disaster, for England to trounce South Africa in South Africa, that

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is great. Fantastic, maybe they will go on to become the number one side.

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That what we want. Yes. We will call you back when that happens.

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Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every

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