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Laura Trott has won gold in the UCI cycling World Cup in Hong Kong. And


now we have Gavin with the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday


morning edition of The Papers. With me are writer and broadcaster


Eve Pollard and Editorial Director with the Sunday Times -


Eleanor Mills. The Observer leads with figures


from the World Health Organisation The health body declares it


a 'global public health emergency" - warning that poor air quality


will overwhelm health services The Sunday Express writes that


millions of families can expect higher council tax bills and bigger


cuts to public services because of Conservative plans


to reduce county council budgets. The Mail on Sunday headlines a poll


which suggests the campaign for Britain to leave the EU


is now six points ahead. It blames the Paris massacre,


Cologne sex attacks and the Syrian The Telegraph unveils a new alliance


of Conservative MPs that plans to push for Britain to stay


within the EU. They warn against Britain


'leaping into the void'. The Independent on Sunday has


an exclusive interview with the Head of Interpol who says criminal gangs


made ?4 billion last year And The Sunday Times leads


with the terrorist attack in Burkina Faso in which 29


people were killed. The Sunday Telegraph has got the


story of the week, something to do with the EU. This is about the new


Tory alliance fighting to stay in the EU. What do you make of it?


Probably many people will buy papers which actually lead on the EU,


because it is a long way head. Nick Herbert, people thought he might be


on the other side, he is now leading a pro-Europe campaign. What is more


interesting, David Cameron seems to have, there seems to be a sense that


he is getting some real things into the pro-euro stance which will


change the views of people. Michael chromite be able to produce a new


law -- Michael Crow might. The Germans. Where is the law does not


suit that country, they will have an overriding thing -- the Germans


have. Bridges courts will decide -- Bridges courts will decide


ultimately. -- British. Yes, that will make a difference. Michael Gove


has been told by Tabor Cameron, to come up with a way to make sure that


Westminster can come up with a way to trump the EU -- has been told by


David Cameron. There will also be a new status for Britain as a semi is


shaped it member of Europe. -- semi-associated. The pro-Europe camp


will have some good lines, some good notes to sing, rather better than we


thought, and David Cameron seems to have pulled off the coup of getting


Boris Johnson and Michael Gove into his pro EU tent. They are seen as


the big beasts. In the Mail on Sunday, they say that 6% more people


would like to leave the EU. We will come onto that in a moment, but back


to the Sunday Telegraph. Page 19, Taiwan turns its back on China to


elect a first female president. This lady has got fairly strong views


about not reintegrating with China, as the Chinese would want. It will


be interesting to see how they react. It will, with a very happy to


see a woman being elected as president, but she seems to be of an


ordinary background. Sometimes in Asia these things go in families,


but she seems to be very pro-independence and she has warned


China not to mess about. I seem to remember that Chairman Mao's widow


played an interesting role in China in the past, not one that you would


like. Like Nancy Reagan! Chairman Mao said that women held up half the


sky and he was very pro-women. This is interesting, she is also western


educated, in England, she was a professor at Harvard and she became


involved in politics through negotiating interest --


international trade deals, she seems to be a bit like Angela Merkel, she


is a great one for consensus. She is part of the Democratic Progressive


party, which is anti-becoming part of China, but she's very good in the


negotiating room, in finding ways for everyone to benefit. As women


are. I think it is really interesting that she has become


elected there, in such an interesting time for that region.


What is fascinating, the photograph. We are not worried about the hair


and the glasses, she has a brain and she has been elected, paraphrasing.


The parallel with Angela Merkel is quite interesting. Not just a


personal triumph, but for her party, the party has won seats in


parliament, as well. If you are in Taiwan, that is a brave move, if you


think you are a small island off the coast of China. What this woman is


doing, she is allowing micro deals to happen with China, she has opened


the way for Taiwanese businesses to deal business legally on the


mainland, she's a real pragmatist. It will be very interesting. The EU


shot in the Sunday mail, this is based on the opinion polls which


were so reliable at the last general election! That is right, many of


them were convinced that Labour would win. They were completely


wrong. As a former editor, having paid for these polls, and in my days


you pay ten grand, it is probably double now. It says it would be 8%


ahead if Boris Johnson led the pro-QuickCam. -- pro quit camp. Will


he stay loyal with David Cameron, or will he be tempted? If he was going


to do that, he should have done that by now, he threw his hat into the --


if he was going to throw his hat into the leading campaign, that


moment has passed, but I think he has been seduced by David Cameron.


We have a very interesting story about Jeremy Hunt, looking like he


will be toppled as the Health Secretary because he has not managed


to avert the junior doctors strike. Boris Johnson might go in as the


health minister. Lucky man. That is the hospital pass, you might say. In


a funny way, Boris, when he does that, did I pressed the button, has


world War three started? -- press. That might work with the doctors. We


are all sceptical about opinion polls, but it might be true that


people have changed their views because people are not really...


People don't wake up in the morning, apart from a small minority, and go


on about the Human Rights Act, but they do think about economy and


immigration, and those kind of things, which could change votes.


There is a massive shift going on in Europe, a million refugees in


Germany, we saw what happened in Cologne last weekend, even the


liberal consensus is fractured around how that an idea this is, we


are seeing wearing of elements in Eastern Europe where the right wing


parties are on the rise. -- we are seeing worrying elements. Germany is


dealing with this. And here, people are looking, and they know we have


had huge number of people from Eastern Europe, there are new


migrants in Germany, and people are very worried about not wanting to


many more. The events in Cologne was so disgusting, even though it was a


small minority of people involved, and that changes perceptions. It was


not just in Cologne, and I have a friend who is in German, and they


said, beating that split the Germans, it was not in the


newspapers for three days -- the thing that spooked the Germans. It


was like the government controlling the media, and I was told that one


paper has closed off certain online letters pages because they said the


views they are getting, they don't agree with. They are getting


anti-immigration. You will have a huge amount of anxiety within the


German population, it is dangerous to dampen down the debate and not


talk about the concerns. One final point. 8% if Boris Johnson led the


exit campaign, do you see him as a vote winner in the sense that, in


London, that was one of the new places in the country where Labour


increased their vote, and he is the Mayor of London? Is he a vote


winner? People vote differently for different things. I do think, Boris


has always had the Heineken effect, it can reach the people that other


politicians can't reach, because he does have the capacity to speak in a


more vernacular jolly way. Most human. I don't know how much of that


is really true, some of us might despicable but he does that have


affected my people think he's more like one of them -- some of us might


dispute but he does have that effect. Some people are very much


against the EU, and the pro camp I think will make very good economic


argument is, in the same way they did in Scotland with the referendum,


and people's concerns about the economy will carry the day, I think.


And now to your own paper. The third attack from Islamist 's in five


days, leaving 25 dead in Burkina Faso. -- Islamist. It could be the


fourth attack, in fact, if you include Istanbul. Different places,


different cultures, quite often Muslim people are the targets. The


social media is so powerful now, all over the world, this was Al-Qaeda,


but they are watching Isil, they are watching the videos all the time.


The other thing, people are travelling to countries where they


have no idea this might happen, no one going to Burkina Faso would have


thought they might be at the wrong end of a gun. What is happening,


Westerners are being targeted quite often by these Islamic... This is


very specific, the smartest hotel in Burkina Faso, where they have hit


Westerners. The report says they were looking for white people. It is


a horrendous account from an older French woman, who says she was


trying to describe her feet because they were white and people were


looking for the white people in the room and shooting them several times


to make sure they were dead. Tourism to many countries that we go to full


winter sunshine has gone down. There is a focus in one paper that says


you can get a Holiday Inn Egypt, shone out shape, for just ?500 --


holiday in Egypt. Would you go there with your children? I don't think


so. What is worrying so many people, they don't really know, but they


think they could go where the sun is going to shine, and papers will now


produce lists of Muslim countries where it is more dangerous or they


feel they have been attacked before. I thought the best story in your


paper was page nine, Coca-Cola have funded a study suggesting that fizzy


drinks are great for your diet. That was a surprise. Bristol University


did a look at 5000 studies of soft drinks, and they came up with a


intriguing line, diet drinks made you lose more weight than drinking


water, and of the 5000 studies, or the rest said that wasn't true, but


there was one study funded by the American beverage foundation and


they said diet things were better for you -- all the rest. That is


absolute rubbish. We have done a series of stories about how the


drinks industry, be sugary drinks industry, has funded research,


saying they are not as bad for you as we think, but I think we are


entering a cigarette territory, people will start selling them, the


evidence is mounting up so fast, drinking litres of Coca-Cola is bad


for you. And also diet Coke. There is a very powerful lobby, food and


drink, it is pretty hard to work out if you buy something, how many


calories are in it, how much sugar is in it. It has ripped toes,


lactose, all sorts of other things. I want to buy something, to SARS if


it has a lot, one started has none, no stars for no sugar -- two stars


if it has a lot, one star has none. They have managed to hold off,


presumably because they give a lot of money. They are digging into who


is doing the studies. Another part of this story which I thought was


very interesting, you said the university did not find space to be


able to mention, which is very interesting. If you look at who we


trust, polls suggest that we trust universities and things which are


researched, and scientists, and if you have something which is


published which is based on this research and put out by Bristol


University... The drinks industry are very clever people. And also the


people behind chocolate, those chocolate bars are very good for you


exclaim aggro what is terrifying is the black -- problem on childhood


obesity. Some of this sugary drink is cheaper than bottled water. Tap


water, that is my tactic. 30 seconds. Brilliant Broad take six


wickets as England clinch the Test series. England's cricketers go up


and down. That is a lovely headline. Alastair Cook says he had that look


in his eyes, it sounds cliched, cliched, on a sports page? It is


great to see England doing so well, after the Rugby World Cup, which was


a disaster, for England to trounce South Africa in South Africa, that


is great. Fantastic, maybe they will go on to become the number one side.


That what we want. Yes. We will call you back when that happens.


Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every


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