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Welcome to our look ahead to the morning's papers. The front pages,

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starting with the express. It leads with Britain's future in the EU,

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saying there is growing support for Britain to leave. The Telegraph, the

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main headline, GP waiting lists. It says 10 million patients struggle to

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get appointments and record numbers wait over a week. The times, the

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plans of David Cameron to integrate Muslim woman into mainstream society

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including English classes for migrants. The Guardian, plans by the

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NHS to watch a sugar attacks on British hospitals. The Daily Mail,

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mounting pressure on Scotland Yard to apologise to award at Bramall

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after child abuse allegations were dropped. -- to Lord Bramall. We

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start with an interesting front page on the Sun about Jeremy Corbyn's

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idea for the Trident submarine fleet. There fears, trapped a

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missile. It has a hat on.

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It is not a very good pun. Not one of their best.

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They have not got a lot to work with. We can tell what they think of

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it. We can, but it is wilfully

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misunderstanding. The subject of Trident is up for review, many

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options are being considered, we don't know what all of them, but one

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of them is to to avert potential job losses from scrapping Trident. That

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has come up, whereby you would retain the capability that you would

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not actually have the warheads. The capacity to fire them, but not the

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actual warheads. Which is not as daft as it sounds, as long as you

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are still within Nato. It depends what kind of nuclear deterrent you

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want. I thought he was a principled

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unilateralist who wanted nothing to do with nuclear weapons because they

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are a moral abomination. To say that in an -- the event of a war we are

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here to fire them if you need is two, that is not unilateralism. And

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it's a nonsense of the point of having Trident. Trident has a ship

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permanently and patrolling so that within minutes it can act in a

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crisis. But if you don't have bombs on the submarine cannot act within

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minutes. So the idea of an immediate response from Britain within Nato is

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undermined, so it does not serve anyone.

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It is wilfully misunderstanding the conversation, not you, I hasten to

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add... I am sympathetic to him try to find

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a way through this. It is almost as if, you would have

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to be not to get rid of Trident. Yet all defence officials have in saying

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that Trident is not an effective deterrent -- you would have to be

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nuts. It is not a deterrent to the risks we face such as terrorism, it

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is an obsolete counter to that. So let's try to find alternatives.

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Because claiming that Trident is an effective deterrent is a redundant

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conversation. The Telegraph asks whether it would

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be any kind of deterrent at all. It probably wouldn't. He is trying

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to deter the Blairites from revolting against him. I like the

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fact he is a man of principle. I don't share them but it is good to

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have somebody who has got some. What a pity, having won the massive

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mandate he cannot say, I don't believe we should have nuclear

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weapons, they did not help us out in the Falklands, the Gulf War, Iraq,

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they are no longer needed, the Cold War is over, my promises to get rid

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of them. There are trade unions worried about jobs. MPs who

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represent the yards that house Trident. Of course they don't want

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to get rid of them. So why not to say, you know what, I'm taking a

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bold stance, that is rid of the nukes -- to get rid of.

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The times, Cameron tells Muslims women must integrate, is this a good

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thing, or interference where it is not needed?

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It is hard to tell, I have not seen the editorial. I am in two minds

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about this. On the one hand many people are concerned that there are

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people in the country who have not integrated into western

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understandings of women's rights. And the idea that because society is

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too worried about saying something politically incorrect that it will

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not challenge things which go against not just Western tradition

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but also our laws, when it comes to things like female genital

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mutilation. It is right that the government should say to new

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immigrants, there is a list of standards of behaviour we expect. On

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the other hand, having said that, a defining principle of being British

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is that you are left alone unless you break the law. And when Cameron

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says he wants to overturn what he says is passive tolerance, I think

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he is overturning a cornerstone of the relationship between the British

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individual and the state, which is that you are left alone unless you

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break the law. I find it hard to stomach, coming

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from Cameron, specifically targeting Muslim woman. He is simultaneously

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closing woman's refuge centres. For female victims of domestic abuse. So

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you suddenly care about women now? Muslim women? I think you would

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probably find that most people who migrate to the UK wants to learning

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good. But a lot of them haven't. This

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would surely at least give a woman the option of knowing what was out

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there, what opportunities exist for them...

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But those opportunities are not out there from him, that is the point,

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he has not provided opportunities, schools for learning

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foreign-language is quite the opposite, those services are being

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cut along with everything else. If you provided that access you could

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then say, are you aware of this resource? They cannot cut it and

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then say they should be getting access to it at the same time.

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The Telegraph, millions waiting longer to see a GP. I feel I have

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been reading these headlines for a long time. Is it getting worse or

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staying the same? I don't know if it is getting worse

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but more than 10 million patients are struggling to gain appointment.

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Again I think this is related to cuts. If you cut social services you

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but an additional burden on the NHS which would not otherwise be there.

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And as you say this is a continuous story about the NHS struggling in

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the face of an onslaught and being squeezed by cuts to cope with an

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expanding demand. But I think this story is slanted in a way to suggest

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that people want surgery to be open out of hours on the weekends. And,

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you know, therefore that should be made possible. I don't think it is

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slanted. From reading it. That is where it is going.

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But if it is slanted I would not have a problem with that, because it

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highlights an unacceptable rise of people waiting a couple of weeks.

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And picks up on the fact that receptionists can be rude. There are

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issues of funding and there are issues of management.

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And issues of manners. Manners as well. There are some

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reports showing that do not match what people expect from the NHS.

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This is partly due to very generous contracts that Labour negotiated.

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Partly due to the fact that there aren't staff at weekends, which is

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what the government is trying to work with right now, either way,

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funding, yes, but I think this points to questions about how people

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manage their surgeries. Should we not change the

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expectations of doctors? That it won't be 9-to-5? GPs, I mean.

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Because of course, in hospitals, many doctors claim they work

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round-the-clock. I don't get this suggestion that GPs

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are saying they don't seem to need to work extra hours. But then used

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to be more funding. If they are overstretched they will start making

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mistakes, which no body wants. The express, the headline, Britain

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is ready to quit the EU. Huge boost for the leave campaign. Whereas this

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boost come from? A new opinion poll giving a

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cessation of 6-point lead to the exit. I am thrilled by that. Why?

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Because I want to leave the EU. I have my cards on the table. If you

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read on page five, the express makes a link between the desire of people

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to leave and they sort of foreign policy crisis taking place in

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Europe. Refugee crisis, the terrorist attacks. That is

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interesting because pro Europeans could argue that being a member of

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the EU actually helps when it comes to security, but they could also

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argue that because we are not members of the Schengen zone we are

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outside of the issue of how one deals with refugees. Britain is

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already cauterised from that. It is frustrating for somebody who wants

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to see the EU debated on the basis of economics because I think there

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is a business case for leaving. But also on the basis of sovereignty. It

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is frustrating, I fear this referendum will be all about

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immigration and terrorism. It really should not be.

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That is the way that the far right has presented it, to be fair.

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I don't think it is the far right doing it.

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We can argue about the definition but people are reacting to austerity

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and the threat of terror and a perceived threat of migrant drains

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on jobs and resources, which actually is a fair and of fear, a

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time of austerity, has a few worried about your job, you will be worried

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about somebody taking it. But they are not the target, migrants are not

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the target. I would personally rather we stayed in Europe but made

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it more democratic and accountable. And progressive. Because I do think

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freedom of movement is important. And I think the baseline of work

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-labour arrangements we have aren't And I think the baseline of work

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-labour arrangements we have -- are great, and if we didn't have them,

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this government would very quickly take them away.

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The NHS to introduce a sugar tax. Internally. Not dependent on the

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Treasury. How will they do it? Sorry, really rude, but I just want

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to throw in, because I'm so staggered by this, it is the

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weirdest front page I have ever seen.

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Tell us why in a moment. Rachel, tell us what they are planning.

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It will be internal, only operational in hospitals, which I

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worry will only affect visitors like us who come in and want a sugary

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snack. So they will make a sugary snacks in

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the cafe too expensive to bother with?

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Yes, yes. But I think it is more of a statement, you know, this is what

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the government should be doing. A potential advisory thing. I don't

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know how impactful discount to be. Why is it a weird front page?

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The colour. I am not being odd! But it looks like clip art. It is a

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weird nonstory about the NHS charging you a bit more for

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something in the cafe. Is it not about obesity, all of us

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eating too much sugar... ? Well that is nice but I don't

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suppose the idea of a tax for sugar echoes in terms of intake the

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British consume far less sugar than they have done since the 1970s. The

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intake is way down. The reason we are fat and abuses because we do not

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exercise. We are not moving. This will simple punish poorer people, it

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is a kind of VAT, a cost added onto your Coca-Cola. What we really

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should be doing to people, the NHS, saying to people, get out, stop

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driving around, sitting at your desk all day, exercise.

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We actually agree! On a lot of things!

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I don't know about a lot of things! We got through it. Still to come,

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President Obama hails the deal with

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