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tonight to win the group and reach and other qualifying round. That's

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are the former newspaper editor Eve Pollard

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and David Wooding, Political Editor of the Sun on Sunday.

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According to the Sunday Times, the boss of EasyJet has warned

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that cheap flights are at risk if the UK

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Ahead of the EU referendum the Mail on Sunday says

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a senior aide to Angela Merkel claims the UK 'can not survive

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Public faith in Cameron drops is the Independent

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on Sunday's headline - with a new poll claiming 6 out of 10

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expect the PM not to secure a good deal in Brussels talks this week.

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The Observer says Jeremy Corbyn will make the positive

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case for European migration in a speech this week.

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Its lead story says a leaked report paints a "devastating picture"

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of mental health services in England.

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The Telegraph claims the government could soon fund

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new onshore wind farms through green levies.

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Let's begin with the Sunday Telegraph, mutiny over par

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minister's plan to gag anti-EU campaigners. They say they have been

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gagged yet you hear quite a lot of anti-European Union as well as

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pro-Europe in the it is the week of the summit so David Cameron has

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packed three shirts! He will be there for two or three nights. This

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disquiet is being talked about, they are under a deal, those against the

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EU wanting to leave been told to keep their traps shut until the

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Prime Minister has come back with a deal and put it to the Cabinet. The

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issue is timing. He is having the cabinet meeting on Monday and is

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expected to clinch the deal on a Friday which will give him all next

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weekend, Saturday and Sunday hogging the airwaves, going on chat shows,

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the Andrew Marr show, everything, pushing the cause to stay in the EU,

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saying it is great and everyone else will be gagged so there's the threat

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of a mutiny unless equals a Cabinet meeting immediately when he comes

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back from Brussels. It means the prospects, if you browse to this, of

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the first Saturday Cabinet meeting since the Falklands War in 1982.

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Quite right, if doctors have to work on weekends, why not politicians!

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Entertainment back -- LAUGHTER

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Even if we don't vote until June it will seem to some quiet and fair

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that he can make the case. June is quite soon to be making such a big

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decision. We are in February already. I think the gag thing will

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continue to be the story, unless he says, OK, we should have this

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Cabinet meeting and then you are free to speak. How engaged do you

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think your readers are by this story? Do they really care or not? I

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think it is all background noise at the moment, to be honest. I think

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people will begin to focus on the issues as we get close to June 23,

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the favourite date for this. The danger is, if we keep hearing only

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one side, if everyone backs the Prime Minister, in the Cabinet,

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there will not be enough dissenting voices and many people will think it

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is an establishment stitch up and that will turn against Europe even

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more, in my view, as they have done with the rise of Ukip and Jeremy

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Corbyn being voted in because people are fed up with the old-fashioned

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politicians. I think that's true. We know that most people don't even

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think about the election until three weeks before, unless you are stuck

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on a party you will always stick to. My feeling is that we still don't

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have enough facts. I want to judge this with my head, not my heart. I

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want to know how much we give the EU each year and how much we give back.

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I got an e-mail from a friend the other day, Stanley Johnson, the

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father of Boris. He said the EU had done amazing things for the

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environment. I want to know this. I think that is the other problem. I

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feel I walk into this under a cloud. Of course I know what the EU is, I

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just don't know the detail. This point came up in the Scottish

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referendum, do people vote on the facts, are there any facts? Will the

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price of oil go up or down? It is difficult to say what a fact was.

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People voted with their gut, they wanted to be independent or they

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wanted to be part of Britain. Of course certain people have get

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votes, I am a woman, purely practical, what will happen, will

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there be a run on the pound, will things go up in cost, will cars and

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things we import from places like Germany cost more? On that happy

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note, the Mail on Sunday, Germans, you cannot survive without us.

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Angela Merkel's attack dog threatens a trade war after the Brexit. I go

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to Germany a lot and I had never heard of this man. Angela Merkel was

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being pro-the new Deal, and the question was, would Europe survive

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because she has done a difficult thing by allowing all this mass

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migration. This German MP was chatting to Bill Cash and said,

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there will be tariffs, maybe there will maybe they want, this is what

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we want to know. If we want to sell crumpets or whatever we sell to

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Germany... LAUGHTER

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Our crumpets versus their Volkswagens, an interesting deal. As

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opposed whether you think this is Project Fear, if we were outside the

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EU, and there was a degree of bitterness about it, they might not

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think that they owe us so there might be retaliation. As Liam Fox

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says will French wine producers want to stop selling wine to Britain and

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will the Germans want to stop selling us BMW and Mercedes cars? I

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doubt it. This German MP says that they could make it difficult for

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Britain. It's very colourful when he read the story because Bill Cash,

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whose father died in the war when he was four, his father won the

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military Cross, he said, are you threatening me, we fought a war, we

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don't want Germany telling us what to do! People who are not aged 105,

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like me, will have forgotten that! They know we fought a war but that

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is a long time ago, to them. They will be thinking that, we will have

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to pay more for things. People's pockets are important in this

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discussion. The Sunday Times also has a good story on this. This could

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be a project for travel chiefs, the EasyJet boss says that cheap flights

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will be at risk. Two aspects to this, according to the boss of

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easyJet, a British exit would drive up the cost of air travel and

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there's another theme about terrorism which would affect us.

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People would certainly pay attention to the cost of holidays. Certainly.

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There is all that stuff about now that Vladimir Putin is flexing his

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muscles by bombing Syria. Should we be in together so that we are all

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safe? I don't know if that matters. People could well think twice if

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they think their trip to Spain or wherever will go up in price. It's a

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very valid point. I think those things make people decide where they

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are going, how it will affect their family. What do you think? Project

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Fear, this, to me, sounds like a trumped up scaremongering story. I

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cannot believe that you won't be able to go on your holidays

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anywhere. Peter Long, key is the man whose company was not responsible

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for but had holiday-makers in Tunisia when there was that

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terrorist shooting, and he says, it might not be safer for the holidays

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and things like that. Playing on people's fears, I think the two big

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issues people will have in their minds, and this will probably swear

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it one way or the other, will it be secure for jobs by staying in, and

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if so, they will probably opt to stay in Europe. Immigration is the

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first thing that, if they think about that they will probably vote

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to leave. I wonder if part of it, is, in the end, who do you trust.

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This woman runs an airline, I will trust rather than politician. That

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is true. As we know, anti-politician feeling is rife here and in America,

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where you see people turning up who have never been politicians before,

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or even people like Bernie Sanders who have never been heard of before,

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at least not by us. Suddenly that whole thing about politicians, we

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are fed up with them sitting on the couch and never telling you the

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answer. You might well trust somebody who is running easyJet.

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People who have made your holiday possible, rather than a politician.

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This story has the fingerprints of number ten Downing St all over it.

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The boss of easyJet will be a Dame! Are you suggesting that this can of

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thing goes on in politics, I'm shocked! The Independent on Sunday.

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Public faith in Camelon drops, six out of ten people expect him not to

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get a good deal in Brussels talks this week, must half the voters say

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the UK would have more control of borders outside the EU. This comes

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back to the question of do we trust politicians, is this a sham, David

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Cameron, will he get the greatest deal ever, whatever it is? What is

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interesting is, inside they show this poll, and the Tories are still

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way ahead even though Cameron himself might have had a knock. I

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think that what he said, Dave, is important, because the fact is, all

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you hear is the pro-Europe stuff and not the anti-Europe stuff. You

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think, why are they not letting the other side to speak? And of course

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there is no leader of the Out campaign. The people who want to

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leave the common market rowing amongst themselves so badly... There

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are two or three different campaigns. It is confusing coming

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between Vote Leave, Get Out, whatever, they don't have a

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figurehead which is a problem for them. The big story this week will

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be what Michael Gove does. He is known to be agonising about this,

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torn between loyalty to the Prime Minister who has been a great friend

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of his over the years and his deep belief that we should be outside

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Europe. He would be a big coup for Vote Leave if he decided to go that

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way. He constantly says he will wait for what they finally decide. And

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far from me to say that politicians do this that he may come back with a

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better deal. It may have been fixed that way. Other people in Europe

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want change as well, maybe not the same change Camelon wants all the

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voters want. This is their chance. What are your instincts, even if Mr

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Cameron came back with what seems like a good deal, given the nature

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of the Conservative Party, this won't go away. I've spoken to many

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Tories who say, even if we lose, and we want, we will continue to

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campaign to leave the EU. They were two reasons for David Cameron

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calling a referendum, one was to add Flickr Ukip and labour at the last

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election and to some extent that worked. The other is to lance the

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boil of Europe in his party which has been festering feels, right

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through the Thatcher years and effectively brought down John Major.

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Good luck with that one. And it will carry on. Like the Scottish

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referendum. We will always be waiting for the next one. Never

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ending. The sad story of the week. The independent and the Independent

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on Sunday have been part of many journalists's lives, sadly not

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enough to keep the newspaper going. The problem is that people read

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papers for free on the Internet. Perhaps you can direct a pay wall

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and that works, and some papers have done that, but they won't pay for

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the news and keeping somebody like you in America is very expensive.

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Doing investigative stories that can take months is expensive. And of

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course advertising has been pushed, it is enormously powerful

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advertising in the newspapers, and of Tesco or Volkswagen want to sell

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a lot of cars next week that is where they go, not to digital. It

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would of course be much cheaper if you could just have this newspaper

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on the website. How that would go, it will be interesting. What will be

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worrying is of other papers follow their lead. That might happen. There

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is an argument that the FT could do this, there is an Aga and that they

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could to it successfully online. A sad moment. Very sad. And online

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it's doesn't make as much money as the printed version, so therefore,

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the investment in good journalists who cost money, and the quantity of

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journalists drops. And then the quality of journalism and everything

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else... And also, you buy a paper and you think there is a lot to read

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in it, you can read it on the train, it's not the same on the web. A

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friend of mine said that a lot of stuff online is just graffiti with

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punctuation! The Sunday Times. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe to face the widow

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of Leon Britton. Another very interesting story, how the police

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handled these very serious allegations, and then they turned

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out to have no substance. What is appalling about this, there is one

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man, this person named Nick, who because he is middle aged and middle

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class, the police seem to have believed every word he said. They

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did everything the wrong way round, I think. Before you listen to this

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man and give him any credence, let him give you dates. Let him tell you

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where he has been. He described apparently going to the home of Ted

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Heath in Park Lane. Ted Heath never had a house in Park Lane. He

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described the boats all over the walls. They did not exist. Before

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you start naming them and talk about listening to them you should make

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sure that the evidence that you have, I am very much on the side of

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victims, they have do give you more... And this guy seems to have

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met everybody famous. Every male success in the last 20 years. A

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degree of scepticism would be in order? Because we know of failures

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to investigate some of the crimes in the past that have been terrible.

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And Tom Watson hasn't been very good at this because he was encouraging

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this. He's gone quiet and he has apologised. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe

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is not to apologise to Bramall or to the widow of Leon Britton and that

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is a disgrace. We will leave it there. Thank you both.

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Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every

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evening at 1030 and 1130 here on BBC News.

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For most of us the weather is not looking too bad today on Valentine's

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Day. Some sunshine with a view wintry showers. For some of us it

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has been more than just a few wintry showers. Look at

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