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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are the former newspaper editor Eve Pollard


and David Wooding, Political Editor of the Sun on Sunday.


According to the Sunday Times, the boss of EasyJet has warned


that cheap flights are at risk if the UK


Ahead of the EU referendum the Mail on Sunday says


a senior aide to Angela Merkel claims the UK 'can not survive


Public faith in Cameron drops is the Independent


on Sunday's headline - with a new poll claiming 6 out of 10


expect the PM not to secure a good deal in Brussels talks this week.


The Observer says Jeremy Corbyn will make the positive


case for European migration in a speech this week.


Its lead story says a leaked report paints a "devastating picture"


of mental health services in England.


The Telegraph claims the government could soon fund


new onshore wind farms through green levies.


Let's begin with the Sunday Telegraph, mutiny over par


minister's plan to gag anti-EU campaigners. They say they have been


gagged yet you hear quite a lot of anti-European Union as well as


pro-Europe in the it is the week of the summit so David Cameron has


packed three shirts! He will be there for two or three nights. This


disquiet is being talked about, they are under a deal, those against the


EU wanting to leave been told to keep their traps shut until the


Prime Minister has come back with a deal and put it to the Cabinet. The


issue is timing. He is having the cabinet meeting on Monday and is


expected to clinch the deal on a Friday which will give him all next


weekend, Saturday and Sunday hogging the airwaves, going on chat shows,


the Andrew Marr show, everything, pushing the cause to stay in the EU,


saying it is great and everyone else will be gagged so there's the threat


of a mutiny unless equals a Cabinet meeting immediately when he comes


back from Brussels. It means the prospects, if you browse to this, of


the first Saturday Cabinet meeting since the Falklands War in 1982.


Quite right, if doctors have to work on weekends, why not politicians!


Entertainment back -- LAUGHTER


Even if we don't vote until June it will seem to some quiet and fair


that he can make the case. June is quite soon to be making such a big


decision. We are in February already. I think the gag thing will


continue to be the story, unless he says, OK, we should have this


Cabinet meeting and then you are free to speak. How engaged do you


think your readers are by this story? Do they really care or not? I


think it is all background noise at the moment, to be honest. I think


people will begin to focus on the issues as we get close to June 23,


the favourite date for this. The danger is, if we keep hearing only


one side, if everyone backs the Prime Minister, in the Cabinet,


there will not be enough dissenting voices and many people will think it


is an establishment stitch up and that will turn against Europe even


more, in my view, as they have done with the rise of Ukip and Jeremy


Corbyn being voted in because people are fed up with the old-fashioned


politicians. I think that's true. We know that most people don't even


think about the election until three weeks before, unless you are stuck


on a party you will always stick to. My feeling is that we still don't


have enough facts. I want to judge this with my head, not my heart. I


want to know how much we give the EU each year and how much we give back.


I got an e-mail from a friend the other day, Stanley Johnson, the


father of Boris. He said the EU had done amazing things for the


environment. I want to know this. I think that is the other problem. I


feel I walk into this under a cloud. Of course I know what the EU is, I


just don't know the detail. This point came up in the Scottish


referendum, do people vote on the facts, are there any facts? Will the


price of oil go up or down? It is difficult to say what a fact was.


People voted with their gut, they wanted to be independent or they


wanted to be part of Britain. Of course certain people have get


votes, I am a woman, purely practical, what will happen, will


there be a run on the pound, will things go up in cost, will cars and


things we import from places like Germany cost more? On that happy


note, the Mail on Sunday, Germans, you cannot survive without us.


Angela Merkel's attack dog threatens a trade war after the Brexit. I go


to Germany a lot and I had never heard of this man. Angela Merkel was


being pro-the new Deal, and the question was, would Europe survive


because she has done a difficult thing by allowing all this mass


migration. This German MP was chatting to Bill Cash and said,


there will be tariffs, maybe there will maybe they want, this is what


we want to know. If we want to sell crumpets or whatever we sell to


Germany... LAUGHTER


Our crumpets versus their Volkswagens, an interesting deal. As


opposed whether you think this is Project Fear, if we were outside the


EU, and there was a degree of bitterness about it, they might not


think that they owe us so there might be retaliation. As Liam Fox


says will French wine producers want to stop selling wine to Britain and


will the Germans want to stop selling us BMW and Mercedes cars? I


doubt it. This German MP says that they could make it difficult for


Britain. It's very colourful when he read the story because Bill Cash,


whose father died in the war when he was four, his father won the


military Cross, he said, are you threatening me, we fought a war, we


don't want Germany telling us what to do! People who are not aged 105,


like me, will have forgotten that! They know we fought a war but that


is a long time ago, to them. They will be thinking that, we will have


to pay more for things. People's pockets are important in this


discussion. The Sunday Times also has a good story on this. This could


be a project for travel chiefs, the EasyJet boss says that cheap flights


will be at risk. Two aspects to this, according to the boss of


easyJet, a British exit would drive up the cost of air travel and


there's another theme about terrorism which would affect us.


People would certainly pay attention to the cost of holidays. Certainly.


There is all that stuff about now that Vladimir Putin is flexing his


muscles by bombing Syria. Should we be in together so that we are all


safe? I don't know if that matters. People could well think twice if


they think their trip to Spain or wherever will go up in price. It's a


very valid point. I think those things make people decide where they


are going, how it will affect their family. What do you think? Project


Fear, this, to me, sounds like a trumped up scaremongering story. I


cannot believe that you won't be able to go on your holidays


anywhere. Peter Long, key is the man whose company was not responsible


for but had holiday-makers in Tunisia when there was that


terrorist shooting, and he says, it might not be safer for the holidays


and things like that. Playing on people's fears, I think the two big


issues people will have in their minds, and this will probably swear


it one way or the other, will it be secure for jobs by staying in, and


if so, they will probably opt to stay in Europe. Immigration is the


first thing that, if they think about that they will probably vote


to leave. I wonder if part of it, is, in the end, who do you trust.


This woman runs an airline, I will trust rather than politician. That


is true. As we know, anti-politician feeling is rife here and in America,


where you see people turning up who have never been politicians before,


or even people like Bernie Sanders who have never been heard of before,


at least not by us. Suddenly that whole thing about politicians, we


are fed up with them sitting on the couch and never telling you the


answer. You might well trust somebody who is running easyJet.


People who have made your holiday possible, rather than a politician.


This story has the fingerprints of number ten Downing St all over it.


The boss of easyJet will be a Dame! Are you suggesting that this can of


thing goes on in politics, I'm shocked! The Independent on Sunday.


Public faith in Camelon drops, six out of ten people expect him not to


get a good deal in Brussels talks this week, must half the voters say


the UK would have more control of borders outside the EU. This comes


back to the question of do we trust politicians, is this a sham, David


Cameron, will he get the greatest deal ever, whatever it is? What is


interesting is, inside they show this poll, and the Tories are still


way ahead even though Cameron himself might have had a knock. I


think that what he said, Dave, is important, because the fact is, all


you hear is the pro-Europe stuff and not the anti-Europe stuff. You


think, why are they not letting the other side to speak? And of course


there is no leader of the Out campaign. The people who want to


leave the common market rowing amongst themselves so badly... There


are two or three different campaigns. It is confusing coming


between Vote Leave, Get Out, whatever, they don't have a


figurehead which is a problem for them. The big story this week will


be what Michael Gove does. He is known to be agonising about this,


torn between loyalty to the Prime Minister who has been a great friend


of his over the years and his deep belief that we should be outside


Europe. He would be a big coup for Vote Leave if he decided to go that


way. He constantly says he will wait for what they finally decide. And


far from me to say that politicians do this that he may come back with a


better deal. It may have been fixed that way. Other people in Europe


want change as well, maybe not the same change Camelon wants all the


voters want. This is their chance. What are your instincts, even if Mr


Cameron came back with what seems like a good deal, given the nature


of the Conservative Party, this won't go away. I've spoken to many


Tories who say, even if we lose, and we want, we will continue to


campaign to leave the EU. They were two reasons for David Cameron


calling a referendum, one was to add Flickr Ukip and labour at the last


election and to some extent that worked. The other is to lance the


boil of Europe in his party which has been festering feels, right


through the Thatcher years and effectively brought down John Major.


Good luck with that one. And it will carry on. Like the Scottish


referendum. We will always be waiting for the next one. Never


ending. The sad story of the week. The independent and the Independent


on Sunday have been part of many journalists's lives, sadly not


enough to keep the newspaper going. The problem is that people read


papers for free on the Internet. Perhaps you can direct a pay wall


and that works, and some papers have done that, but they won't pay for


the news and keeping somebody like you in America is very expensive.


Doing investigative stories that can take months is expensive. And of


course advertising has been pushed, it is enormously powerful


advertising in the newspapers, and of Tesco or Volkswagen want to sell


a lot of cars next week that is where they go, not to digital. It


would of course be much cheaper if you could just have this newspaper


on the website. How that would go, it will be interesting. What will be


worrying is of other papers follow their lead. That might happen. There


is an argument that the FT could do this, there is an Aga and that they


could to it successfully online. A sad moment. Very sad. And online


it's doesn't make as much money as the printed version, so therefore,


the investment in good journalists who cost money, and the quantity of


journalists drops. And then the quality of journalism and everything


else... And also, you buy a paper and you think there is a lot to read


in it, you can read it on the train, it's not the same on the web. A


friend of mine said that a lot of stuff online is just graffiti with


punctuation! The Sunday Times. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe to face the widow


of Leon Britton. Another very interesting story, how the police


handled these very serious allegations, and then they turned


out to have no substance. What is appalling about this, there is one


man, this person named Nick, who because he is middle aged and middle


class, the police seem to have believed every word he said. They


did everything the wrong way round, I think. Before you listen to this


man and give him any credence, let him give you dates. Let him tell you


where he has been. He described apparently going to the home of Ted


Heath in Park Lane. Ted Heath never had a house in Park Lane. He


described the boats all over the walls. They did not exist. Before


you start naming them and talk about listening to them you should make


sure that the evidence that you have, I am very much on the side of


victims, they have do give you more... And this guy seems to have


met everybody famous. Every male success in the last 20 years. A


degree of scepticism would be in order? Because we know of failures


to investigate some of the crimes in the past that have been terrible.


And Tom Watson hasn't been very good at this because he was encouraging


this. He's gone quiet and he has apologised. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe


is not to apologise to Bramall or to the widow of Leon Britton and that


is a disgrace. We will leave it there. Thank you both.


Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every


evening at 1030 and 1130 here on BBC News.


For most of us the weather is not looking too bad today on Valentine's


Day. Some sunshine with a view wintry showers. For some of us it


has been more than just a few wintry showers. Look at


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