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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
papers will be bringing us tomorrow. Slightly later than usual tonight | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
And the fact that the papers have been changing their front pages, | :00:25. | :00:33. | |
some of them as we speak. We now have a selection of what will be on | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
the news stands tomorrow. With me are the Times columnist | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
Jenni Russell, and the media commentator for Forbes.com, | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
Neil Midgley. We'll start with the Times. David | :00:41. | :00:51. | |
Cameron. Ahead on the EU vote. How would you characterise the mood on | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
Downing Street? I think the mood is jubilant. It looked as though it was | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
falling away from them. They were devastated by the reaction to | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
Cameron's initial deal because almost every single newspaper front | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
page criticised it. They are extremely downcast and taking it | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
back. Another thing they have a deal which has headlines they can sell to | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
the country, special status in Europe, we don't have to be part of | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
what we don't want, protection for the city of London, we can't be | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
bullied by the rest of Europe, and we don't have to be part of ever | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
closer union. I think they are feeling confident that most of the | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
population don't care about the details, they think the Prime | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
Minister has given us a Britain they want. I imagine they will have a | :01:40. | :01:51. | |
better weekend then if David Cameron had caved in Brussels tonight. Or is | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
everyone is refused to cave. It seems we don't know the detail. It | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
seems Cameron effectively put his foot down at teatime tonight and | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
said no, I will not give any more. Presumably doing that calculation | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
that if you came back with a terrible deal and indeed a deal that | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
was much watered-down from the draft that had been circulated a couple of | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
weeks ago, he would not have been able to sell it to his friends in | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
the Cabinet let alone the Eurosceptics in the Cabinet, let | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
alone the rest of the country. If we look at the FT weekend, which hangs | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
around for two days, so they have to think more strategically, they say | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
Cameron wins Brussels reforms. It will different to the other | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
countries, and Donald Tusk, if you do the initiation on their behalf. | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
People seem to have got a deal they can live with. Even the Eastern | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
European countries who did not want any kind of welfare reforms. By the | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
way, nobody understands what the welfare reforms are. I think I sort | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
of do. Poland's Europe Minister was twitching before we came on air | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
there was something about if people have less than four years just | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
before the end of the seven-year break, we still don't know what | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
happens to them. In the great scheme of things, Jenni was talking about | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
these yes we can phrases David Cameron is using. It is the phrases | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
that counts. We now have a special relationship, we are the special | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
country. We will have special status in Europe. If only Jose Mourinho, | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
the special one, was British. It is meaningless. Even if Cameron had got | :03:47. | :03:54. | |
rid of all of the welfare payments to EU migrants, which he hasn't, | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
only a very small portion of them, that is about ?500 million a year | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
out of an overall government spending of ?700 billion. You are | :04:05. | :04:15. | |
talking about half of 1000th. I probably got a decimal point wrong | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
there, but for every ?1000 to pay in tax, you might get alb. -- account | :04:20. | :04:29. | |
back. I don't think those sorts of changes make any practical | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
difference at all. The whole thing was about symbolism. It is about | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
people feeling they don't want to be drawn closer to Europe, and it is a | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
genuine achievement that we are now accepted from being part of ever | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
closer union. Which is being what the European Union has always been | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
about. Look at the Independent. The EU deal is done is the headline. We | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
then have above it a big shout to do with the refugee crisis, because | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
migration is the other thing they are talking about, is concerned that | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
maybe Greece might actually be excluded from the Schengen area as | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
it was felt to be doing enough to stop illegal migrants. There are big | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
it issues that this deal doesn't address, and some of the new | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
sceptics have suggested that might be what the campaign ends up being | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
about. Nobody has any idea how to deal with | :05:23. | :05:36. | |
the people pouring into Europe. Those remaining in Europe say we | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
much more at risk of migrants coming to Britain if we leave Europe. At | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
the moment we've got the French policing the French ports. Cameron | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
is perfectly right when he says that if we left the EU, and the French | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
thought they would no longer guard the Borders for you, then we would | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
have masses of people in little boats coming across the Channel, | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
just as they are now across the Mediterranean, to try to land in | :06:03. | :06:12. | |
Britain. I am far from an outer. I am out but not an outer. What the | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
distinction? Let's not go into that. The French thing with the border, is | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
a a bilateral agreement? It is. They might think if you don't want to be | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
part of our club and co-operate with us, why should we do things with | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
you. You might be right about that but the migration we can't stop at | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
the moment we could at least have some control over. That is distinct | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
from the huge number of migrants who are now entering Europe... This is | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
where we get interesting tomorrow, how the campaign starts to open up | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
beyond the terms of the renegotiation. And what other areas | :06:54. | :07:02. | |
will emerge. David Davis, who was David Cameron's challenger or co- | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
candidate for the leadership back in 2005, was out and about tonight. He | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
is an outer. He was saying that none of these things make any | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
difference, in that Cameron's initial bid as he went around his | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
European Tour was far too low a Dias had to come further down from that | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
and we've ended up with the crumbs from the table. Once the shouting | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
has died there might still be a warm feeling in Downing Street, that | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
they've landed a deal which they were able to sell on the night, even | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
if the last gets tarnished in the coming days. -- the gloss gets | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
tarnished. But whether this deal will make any difference to the gut | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
instinct of the British voter remains very much to be seen. I | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
agree. That's the key point. All of this argument has been beside the | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
point. The discussion has to be about the questions regarding where | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
we see ourselves in the world. I we better off as an isolated island, | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
not in alliance with 27 allies? -- are we better. Possibly losing | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
Scotland. Do we want to make our own little deals? Or do we want... We | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
will be a lot smaller if we lose Scotland. We can't trade freely with | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Europe. A lot of companies would want to stay here... But there's no | :08:34. | :08:42. | |
danger of that, is there? If you want to retain free trade with | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
Europe then we have to retain the free movement of people. It had just | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
the same question about European migrants coming into Britain as we | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
have had now. The question has to be whether we feel more safe and secure | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
and longer as part of the group of countries who have fundamentally | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
similar values, who can act together against Russia, ISIS and climate | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
change, or not. Moving onto the Telegraph front page. They decided | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
they would commit themselves to there being a deal. This came before | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
the deal was done. Not the most flattering picture of David Cameron. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
And not the most encouraging headline. They talk about David | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
Cameron looking very tired, as he has all day. Michael talking about | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
Cameron's eyes bulging, saying he looked like a delirious snail, which | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
is perhaps a little unkind. I've never looked at a delirious snail | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
before! When you look at the high resolution of poorer Cameron's tired | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
face... Can I point out that if he had arrived looking freshfaced and | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
as if he looked the past -- looked like he spent the past couple of | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
weeks in a health farm... I think this is actually a man who has had | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
sleepless nights and not on us -- enough time to exercise. I have been | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
battling for Britain. It hasn't kept Michael Gove on side. How big a deal | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
is that? Do you get a sense that we will see more people than we have | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
currently predicted, saying they are prepared to back a Brexit? Now that | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
this deal has been done? We will get more people in the sense that as | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
soon as the deal was announced the Cabinet ministers are free to go. | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
The interesting thing about that is it is pretty clear from the people | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
around Michael Groves that -- Michael Groves that if the Cabinet | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
assumed collective responsibility, he wouldn't have felt compelled to | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
come out and say what he thought. But he genuinely believes Britain | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
would be better as an independent nation and so he felt unable to | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
carry on. Is he trying to have it both ways? We were also told that he | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
won't be campaigning in a high-profile way. That I don't know | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
about. So he isn't going to inhale, the bill Clinton analogy? It would | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
be in -- interesting if that was the case. If you think what the | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
Conservative government is doing, it is hard to... It is painful to have | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
to say you will put it all at risk by going to the other side and | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
saying the person I like and admire is also fundamentally wrong. It's a | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
big night for Michael Gove and for newspapers. If I may be a newspaper | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
nerd for a moment, you were saying that when we arrived tonight the | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
Telegraph was the only paper that had a front-page going with the deal | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
and the others were in their first editions, hedging. It hadn't even | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
been formally announced. It shows you that on a fast moving Newsnight | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
like this the changing role of newspapers and whether print is | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
really the medium of the future. -- news night. If you are following | :12:22. | :12:32. | |
this many would know instantly. Equally, what influence will things | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
have on a night like this in about one month? Will the BBC still be | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
picking up what the Independent is saying? Or a it start to fade? | :12:41. | :12:49. | |
Obviously because of the work you do you have a different perspective on | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
this. What is your sense of power key the websites are? Not just | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
thinking about content, but actually the headline, the image, in a way | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
that newspapers have traditionally done? And how durable that is? When | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
you are writing for online you write the headlines in a completely | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
different way than you do in the newspapers. When you write a | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
headline on a newspaper you summarise the story as informatively | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
as you can. Whereas with an online headline, which somebody will pick | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
up on a search engine, you write it as cryptically as you can because | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
you want to tease them into actually clicking on your story, instead of | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
just getting the information they need from the seven words on Google. | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
Five things you didn't know about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. They | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
are all very important. Seven things we didn't know about Europe. What | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
you do when you write online is what your readers or lack of readers are | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
interested in. I know exactly how much traffic I get on my page. And | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
how much effort you should make on that bit. Or do you just write about | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
things people are already googling or do you write new things? When I | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
write for the Telegraph, I can get 200 comments on a piece about the | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
new Top Gear presenters but 70 comments on a piece about BBC Three, | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
which shows you where the priorities R. -- priorities are. Just briefly. | :14:32. | :14:47. | |
The IAP they're even has this in blue -- the i. The Mail takes us | :14:48. | :14:57. | |
back to what we were talking about with the referendum campaign. This | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
is in their judgement the real story. The Mail has prejudged the | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
summit and decided that it hasn't worked. The PM's deal is picked to | :15:09. | :15:17. | |
pieces, they say. So they got that wrong. And then they are talking | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
about the fact that the head of Interpol, who is a Brit, has said | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
that 5000 jihadis have entered Europe in the migrant search and | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
they could be about to carry out attacks. Of course I have to say, if | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
I was a jihadist living on the other side of the Mediterranean... This | :15:35. | :15:46. | |
feeds into the politics, which is going to unfold over the weekend. | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
Further down the story there are unnamed Tory MPs pointing out that | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
the Prime Minister's deal does nothing to limit free movement | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
across the EU and therefore it does nothing about this 5000 jihadis who | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
might be on their way to new broadcasting house as we speak. | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
That's not true. If you are migrant and you have been given refugee | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
status in Germany, it will be five years before you get permission to | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
move into the rest of the EU. So it is not true that if you arrive as a | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
migrant in one part of Europe... The point about it, as Downing Street | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
have said, is that we are not part of the Schengen agreement. We are in | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
fact very protected from people coming into Britain. You can pick up | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
on this but we are just going to see some pictures of David Cameron | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
leaving Brussels with some relief. All I was going to say on a lighter | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
note... There you go, he is smiling. They answer Eurosceptic. They are | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
offering a free Monets print in the paper. -- on -- Monet. Thanks we | :16:59. | :17:20. | |
much. It could be only four months away, as he didn't disagree when | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
that was put to him. More news Abbottabad be our coming up. Now to | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
the weather forecast. A weekend of weather contrasts | :17:26. | :17:38. | |
across the UK, depending on which air mass you will be in. Some of us | :17:39. | :17:47. | |
mild and some of us have snow. This is how it looks for the rest | :17:48. | :17:48. |