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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers


With me are Press and Journal's Westminster Correspondent,


Lindsay Watling, and broadcaster David Akinsanya.


Many thanks for coming in. We can look at some of the front pages in


brief. The Sunday Times reports that


David Cameron is being warned he may face a leadership challenge


even if Britain votes to stay The Independent leads


with the government's Investigatory Powers Bill being


introduced in the Commons this week. The Observer has an interview with


the Europe Minister David Lidington - who says Britain voting to leave


the EU would spark a decade The Sunday Express leads


with a survey suggesting 25 out of the 28 EU member states feel


negatively about the future And sticking with the EU theme,


the Mail reports on divisions within the Conservative party -


with reports of the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond clashing


with a long standing Tory Lots of EU as you would imagine. It


is a big story because of the new lines which are emerging from


Shanghai and elsewhere. Let's start with the Observer. Brexit would


spark decade of economic limbo. That is not what the Chi 20 have been


saying. This is the Europe minister. This is from David living -- David


living to the Europe minister. He has had a big role in getting the


deal that is on the table. It is another EU story, another


intervention from a Tory saying there could be a decade of economic


uncertainty with disastrous consequences if written votes to


leave the EU. He points to trade deals, suggesting the process of


renegotiating trade deals with countries would take almost a decade


if we were to leave the EU. David, you are a broadcaster and you


probably hear from listeners and viewers probably more than newspaper


correspondents do. Do people understand the economic implication


of the EU? I don't think they do. Because you have this battle going


on in the Tory party I think people are left very confused. We have a


long way to go before the referendum in terms of hours of broadcasting,


and I think, just look at The Papers now. Every single paper. Depending


on which paper you read depends on what they have said. A financial


expert has said there pitfalls that we pull out, pitfalls if we stay in


and they present a balanced argument. That you cannot summarise


those in easy sound bites. You said before we came now you are better


off listening to economic experts. The problem is the politicians


position themselves for their own futures or try and have a go at


someone else and I think that is the problem. The real issues about


immigration or paperwork increasing woody creasing of the come out of


Europe, are the real issues. They want to know how it will affect


them. The Europe minister is demanding clarity from the outcome,


that is something they need to come up with? Yes, they need to say what


the landscape will look like if we vote to leave the EU and there is a


lot of talk about being a leap into the unknown. David Cameron and draws


Osborne will be looking at what they have to do with the referendum does


not go their way -- George Osborne. They will not be making a big deal


out of it because they want a campaign to keep Britain in the EU


said they will keep this under wraps. What this Observer front page


gives some insight to the divisions within a political party. Shall we


move on to the Mail on Sunday? They are describing it as a meltdown. It


is a particular meltdown with the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond


involved. This is the paper talking about Philip Hammond apparently


using some fairly unsavoury language in relation to Bill Cash for


publishing what is supposed to be a secret Brussels legal report on the


EU deal negotiated by David Cameron so he is taking issue with that.


This story says he specifically told Sir Bill it was not to be published


but when he turned up to give evidence before the EU scrutiny


committee people had copies of it and it later went on a website. He


has been under pressure anyway because he is a well-known


Eurosceptic but he has come out in favour of the campaign. He said he


will be loyal to David Cameron so I guess he has been under pressure


from David Cameron and perhaps this has pushed him too far. I like the


idea of blue on blue violence! They really are tearing themselves apart.


Isn't that a good thing? To be passionate about it? You say blue on


blue violence, this is huge disagreements but this is happening


all over the country? I did know. I don't hear people in the street


getting angry and agitated about it. It looks like people finding their


own position and trying to make people agree with them. It feels


like scaremongering. You have both sides saying it is all doom and


gloom if we leave and people really want to know how will affect them


and their issues like immigration. You say scaremongering. I think it's


too much goes on, there is a risk of a really low turnout in the EU


referendum. People thinking this has nothing to do with my life on a


day-to-day basis, I will not brother voting.


The newspapers have a responsibility to make it engaging but do it


properly. People get bored of it. With the Scottish referendum people


were confused. On all sides people were full of passion. I think with


the Scottish referendum they could see how it related to their life


more directly. I think it is harder with the EU because it is a layer of


bureaucracy of both national governance. The Sunday Times reports


on the danger of politicians being passionate about the EU referendum


when they are all in the same political party. Tory threat to oust


PM after EU vote, win or lose. It has been a tough week for Cameron.


Lots of senior figures in his party, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove coming


out and casting doubt on the legitimacy of the deal and whether


it would be legally binding. He has had a tough week. Now we read he has


been warned he will face a leadership challenge even if he wins


the EU referendum. There is a comment from an unnamed senior


backbencher which says his position will be untenable even if he wins


the referendum, if he carries on like this, there will be no problem


in getting 50 names, which is what they need for a vote of


no-confidence. Is that because there will be so much dissatisfaction from


people in his own party? Europe will always have a lot of dissatisfaction


within the party. It is a difficult word to say! That is why I see more


disarray within that party than the other parties. It appears so. We


have always known there are some real right-wing Tories who do not


want to be in Europe and David Cameron has been talking for years


about appeasing them at keeping them quiet. He says he is not a big fan


of the European Union but he is a big fan of Britain staying in. He


says he has nothing to gain from it. It is dangerous because at the end


of all of this, however it pans out, they have to come back and


reassemble and try and move on. They are giving Labour run for their


money this week and I think we will see more of that as the referendum


gets closer. You see that in America with presidential elections. We are


seeing it now with two front runners for their party, whether it is the


Democrats for the Republicans, having a go at each other and


putting each other down but they seem to be able to repair it and the


relationship carries on. You would hope so. The whole point of


democracy is people having different opinions and challenging each other


and moving on afterwards. In America you are voting for the president.


And the political party they represent that you do focus more on


the president than the characters they represent. We will stick with


the Sunday Times. This does get people debating up and down the


country, childless. They have had warnings. -- chuggers. They have


been debating this. Shall be explained what chuggers are? Charity


muggers. I wish they had buckets. If they have buckets I am happy, it is


the direct debit details. I do street consultations for community


groups and these chuggers have really spoiled your work because if


they see you with a clipboard they think you are going to ask them for


a direct debit. In some places they have been very aggressive. You can


take a route to avoid them by going behind but they are spread across


the pavement. There is a real danger for charities in terms of


fundraising longer-term because so much damage is being done to


charities. When you give money, you think this is great, I am doing


something good. But then you hear these tactics are going on. There


was one clear pensioner but you hear horror stories of cold calling when


your information is passed on and shared, your data. So chuggers, they


have been banned from some Boris? Some councils have banned them. It


is this whole idea that once you give your details, someone said you


can buy your details. They sell it to other charities. When you have so


many cutbacks going on and charities having to do so much, they are


desperate for money. I work with charities and I sit on committees. I


do not give cash any more because what I have seen from the inside, a


lot of charities in very swanky offices not far from here, with


their headquarters and CEOs who are earning ?120,000 and that is why


people do not want to give money. But if you stop giving money then


where does the money come from? I give my time. I am not criticising


you but if everybody stops, it is a hard line to walk, I suspect. Shall


we talk about snoopers? You have had a chance to read the inside pages


which have come through. Basically there is a bill which is being put


forward by Theresa May and this is number two. The suggestion in the


story is there will be a suggestion to bounce MPs into backing it head


of the EU referendum. The suggestion is they are trying to rush it


through. Essentially, the aim of the bill is to force Internet service


providers and mobile phone companies to maintain records of each user's


browser history. It gives spy agencies sweeping powers. To go back


over stuff. It has been controversial and the suggestion is


they are trying to sweep it through. Presumably Theresa May has been


watching the Apple thing. I've learned how to cure my phone is. I


am old and I'm scared to do anything online because I am worried about


people getting hold of my details, the debit cards and stuff. We are


not being snooped on 24/7, every e-mail we send? It is about having


access to it when it is asked for. We are not being spied on around the


clock but still a lot of liberty groups are very unhappy about it.


Shall we talk about Adele? How much would you pay to see heroin concept?


24 ground. I had the money, I would. Not many people have that money to


waste on a ticket. -- the money to see her in concert. She has tried in


the past to stop those who sell on resale tickets. I don't think she


would like this. She has deliberately gone out to try and


stop this. There are people who live in London, I know there is a lot of


poverty but they have so much money that if they fancy going and they


have 24 ground to pay, they will do it. Your average fan does not have


24 ground. Your average fan does not have access to the Internet to get


online quick enough to get one of the tickets. That is the problem.


Has this ticket been sold legally? It is through one of the four main


ticket selling websites. There are websites where you can resell a


ticket and usually says you cannot resell it but you can. It is


capitalism. There you go. If I had the money I would be there in the


front row. I think she is great. She won four Brit awards last week.


Worth every penny. She is the lady of the moment. You are big fan, I


can tell! That's it for The Papers


for this hour. Thank you Lindsay Watling


and David Akinsanya, you'll both be back at 11.30pm


for another look at the stories We will have more from the G20.


Coming up next, Reporters.


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