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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are Press and Journal's Westminster Correspondent,

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Lindsay Watling, and broadcaster David Akinsanya.

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Many thanks for coming in. We can look at some of the front pages in

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brief. The Sunday Times reports that

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David Cameron is being warned he may face a leadership challenge

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even if Britain votes to stay The Independent leads

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with the government's Investigatory Powers Bill being

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introduced in the Commons this week. The Observer has an interview with

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the Europe Minister David Lidington - who says Britain voting to leave

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the EU would spark a decade The Sunday Express leads

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with a survey suggesting 25 out of the 28 EU member states feel

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negatively about the future And sticking with the EU theme,

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the Mail reports on divisions within the Conservative party -

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with reports of the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond clashing

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with a long standing Tory Lots of EU as you would imagine. It

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is a big story because of the new lines which are emerging from

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Shanghai and elsewhere. Let's start with the Observer. Brexit would

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spark decade of economic limbo. That is not what the Chi 20 have been

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saying. This is the Europe minister. This is from David living -- David

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living to the Europe minister. He has had a big role in getting the

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deal that is on the table. It is another EU story, another

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intervention from a Tory saying there could be a decade of economic

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uncertainty with disastrous consequences if written votes to

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leave the EU. He points to trade deals, suggesting the process of

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renegotiating trade deals with countries would take almost a decade

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if we were to leave the EU. David, you are a broadcaster and you

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probably hear from listeners and viewers probably more than newspaper

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correspondents do. Do people understand the economic implication

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of the EU? I don't think they do. Because you have this battle going

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on in the Tory party I think people are left very confused. We have a

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long way to go before the referendum in terms of hours of broadcasting,

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and I think, just look at The Papers now. Every single paper. Depending

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on which paper you read depends on what they have said. A financial

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expert has said there pitfalls that we pull out, pitfalls if we stay in

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and they present a balanced argument. That you cannot summarise

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those in easy sound bites. You said before we came now you are better

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off listening to economic experts. The problem is the politicians

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position themselves for their own futures or try and have a go at

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someone else and I think that is the problem. The real issues about

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immigration or paperwork increasing woody creasing of the come out of

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Europe, are the real issues. They want to know how it will affect

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them. The Europe minister is demanding clarity from the outcome,

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that is something they need to come up with? Yes, they need to say what

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the landscape will look like if we vote to leave the EU and there is a

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lot of talk about being a leap into the unknown. David Cameron and draws

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Osborne will be looking at what they have to do with the referendum does

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not go their way -- George Osborne. They will not be making a big deal

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out of it because they want a campaign to keep Britain in the EU

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said they will keep this under wraps. What this Observer front page

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gives some insight to the divisions within a political party. Shall we

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move on to the Mail on Sunday? They are describing it as a meltdown. It

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is a particular meltdown with the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

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involved. This is the paper talking about Philip Hammond apparently

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using some fairly unsavoury language in relation to Bill Cash for

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publishing what is supposed to be a secret Brussels legal report on the

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EU deal negotiated by David Cameron so he is taking issue with that.

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This story says he specifically told Sir Bill it was not to be published

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but when he turned up to give evidence before the EU scrutiny

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committee people had copies of it and it later went on a website. He

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has been under pressure anyway because he is a well-known

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Eurosceptic but he has come out in favour of the campaign. He said he

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will be loyal to David Cameron so I guess he has been under pressure

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from David Cameron and perhaps this has pushed him too far. I like the

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idea of blue on blue violence! They really are tearing themselves apart.

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Isn't that a good thing? To be passionate about it? You say blue on

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blue violence, this is huge disagreements but this is happening

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all over the country? I did know. I don't hear people in the street

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getting angry and agitated about it. It looks like people finding their

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own position and trying to make people agree with them. It feels

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like scaremongering. You have both sides saying it is all doom and

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gloom if we leave and people really want to know how will affect them

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and their issues like immigration. You say scaremongering. I think it's

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too much goes on, there is a risk of a really low turnout in the EU

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referendum. People thinking this has nothing to do with my life on a

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day-to-day basis, I will not brother voting.

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The newspapers have a responsibility to make it engaging but do it

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properly. People get bored of it. With the Scottish referendum people

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were confused. On all sides people were full of passion. I think with

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the Scottish referendum they could see how it related to their life

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more directly. I think it is harder with the EU because it is a layer of

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bureaucracy of both national governance. The Sunday Times reports

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on the danger of politicians being passionate about the EU referendum

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when they are all in the same political party. Tory threat to oust

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PM after EU vote, win or lose. It has been a tough week for Cameron.

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Lots of senior figures in his party, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove coming

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out and casting doubt on the legitimacy of the deal and whether

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it would be legally binding. He has had a tough week. Now we read he has

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been warned he will face a leadership challenge even if he wins

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the EU referendum. There is a comment from an unnamed senior

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backbencher which says his position will be untenable even if he wins

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the referendum, if he carries on like this, there will be no problem

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in getting 50 names, which is what they need for a vote of

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no-confidence. Is that because there will be so much dissatisfaction from

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people in his own party? Europe will always have a lot of dissatisfaction

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within the party. It is a difficult word to say! That is why I see more

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disarray within that party than the other parties. It appears so. We

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have always known there are some real right-wing Tories who do not

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want to be in Europe and David Cameron has been talking for years

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about appeasing them at keeping them quiet. He says he is not a big fan

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of the European Union but he is a big fan of Britain staying in. He

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says he has nothing to gain from it. It is dangerous because at the end

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of all of this, however it pans out, they have to come back and

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reassemble and try and move on. They are giving Labour run for their

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money this week and I think we will see more of that as the referendum

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gets closer. You see that in America with presidential elections. We are

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seeing it now with two front runners for their party, whether it is the

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Democrats for the Republicans, having a go at each other and

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putting each other down but they seem to be able to repair it and the

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relationship carries on. You would hope so. The whole point of

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democracy is people having different opinions and challenging each other

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and moving on afterwards. In America you are voting for the president.

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And the political party they represent that you do focus more on

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the president than the characters they represent. We will stick with

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the Sunday Times. This does get people debating up and down the

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country, childless. They have had warnings. -- chuggers. They have

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been debating this. Shall be explained what chuggers are? Charity

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muggers. I wish they had buckets. If they have buckets I am happy, it is

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the direct debit details. I do street consultations for community

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groups and these chuggers have really spoiled your work because if

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they see you with a clipboard they think you are going to ask them for

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a direct debit. In some places they have been very aggressive. You can

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take a route to avoid them by going behind but they are spread across

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the pavement. There is a real danger for charities in terms of

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fundraising longer-term because so much damage is being done to

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charities. When you give money, you think this is great, I am doing

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something good. But then you hear these tactics are going on. There

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was one clear pensioner but you hear horror stories of cold calling when

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your information is passed on and shared, your data. So chuggers, they

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have been banned from some Boris? Some councils have banned them. It

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is this whole idea that once you give your details, someone said you

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can buy your details. They sell it to other charities. When you have so

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many cutbacks going on and charities having to do so much, they are

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desperate for money. I work with charities and I sit on committees. I

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do not give cash any more because what I have seen from the inside, a

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lot of charities in very swanky offices not far from here, with

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their headquarters and CEOs who are earning ?120,000 and that is why

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people do not want to give money. But if you stop giving money then

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where does the money come from? I give my time. I am not criticising

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you but if everybody stops, it is a hard line to walk, I suspect. Shall

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we talk about snoopers? You have had a chance to read the inside pages

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which have come through. Basically there is a bill which is being put

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forward by Theresa May and this is number two. The suggestion in the

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story is there will be a suggestion to bounce MPs into backing it head

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of the EU referendum. The suggestion is they are trying to rush it

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through. Essentially, the aim of the bill is to force Internet service

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providers and mobile phone companies to maintain records of each user's

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browser history. It gives spy agencies sweeping powers. To go back

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over stuff. It has been controversial and the suggestion is

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they are trying to sweep it through. Presumably Theresa May has been

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watching the Apple thing. I've learned how to cure my phone is. I

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am old and I'm scared to do anything online because I am worried about

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people getting hold of my details, the debit cards and stuff. We are

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not being snooped on 24/7, every e-mail we send? It is about having

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access to it when it is asked for. We are not being spied on around the

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clock but still a lot of liberty groups are very unhappy about it.

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Shall we talk about Adele? How much would you pay to see heroin concept?

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24 ground. I had the money, I would. Not many people have that money to

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waste on a ticket. -- the money to see her in concert. She has tried in

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the past to stop those who sell on resale tickets. I don't think she

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would like this. She has deliberately gone out to try and

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stop this. There are people who live in London, I know there is a lot of

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poverty but they have so much money that if they fancy going and they

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have 24 ground to pay, they will do it. Your average fan does not have

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24 ground. Your average fan does not have access to the Internet to get

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online quick enough to get one of the tickets. That is the problem.

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Has this ticket been sold legally? It is through one of the four main

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ticket selling websites. There are websites where you can resell a

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ticket and usually says you cannot resell it but you can. It is

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capitalism. There you go. If I had the money I would be there in the

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front row. I think she is great. She won four Brit awards last week.

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Worth every penny. She is the lady of the moment. You are big fan, I

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can tell! That's it for The Papers

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for this hour. Thank you Lindsay Watling

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and David Akinsanya, you'll both be back at 11.30pm

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for another look at the stories We will have more from the G20.

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Coming up next, Reporters.

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