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Hello, and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
With me are Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of the Independent,
Let us have a look at the front pages.
The Sunday Telegraph leads with Boris Johnson attacking
what he calls David Cameron's Agents Of Fear in the EU referendum debate.
Plus, a warning from the Justice Secretary Michael Gove
that the "EU fuels terror and fascism".
The Independent has an exclusive on what it says is a cover-up
of the treatment of terror suspects in the UK.
NHS to harvest babies' organs is the rather alarming headline
Britannia will no longer rule the waves.
And claiming the EU wants to take charge of the UK coastguard as part
So, that is the selection for you. That is beginning.
Yasmin, start us off. The Sunday Telegraph is going for Doris zest
funerary -- Boris Johnson's fury. There is a lot going on within the
Tory party and the nation. John Longworth, who is the Director
General of the British Chambers of Commerce, said he personally was for
Brexit and leaving the EU, and has since been suspended by the board.
Boris Johnson is accusing Downing Street of orchestrating that. He
goes on to say, as his side have said frequently,", dissenting voices
are being crushed by the agents of project Fear, in capitals.
We will come to that in the other papers.
The thing is, this man is actually head of an organisation which is
declaring itself neutral in the actual debate. Therefore, his
comments could be seen as difficult for the Chambers of Commerce to deal
with. He did say he was speaking in a
personal capacity and his comments were moderate. The theme of the
papers today is Tory party at war. This particular story is really
about Boris Johnson having a go at number ten and vice versa, because
Boris Johnson has said this has been orchestrated by them putting
pressure on the board, but Number ten is vehemently deny it. You will
see the Tory act war theme will come through again.
To come back, the Chambers of Commerce has been neutral. In that
situation, I do not think the head of it can have a personal opinion,
because it is so volatile and fiery. He said it was a personal opinion
and I have no reason to disagree. It is a temporary suspension until
after the referendum. It is unfortunate. It is turning
into a nasty campaign. If you weeks to go.
It will put off people. We are not informing them. Hearing anti-EU
people saying, this means we can now control our own pensions. How
ignorant people about what the EU is quite what we need to give them
information. These things work both ways, it can
turn people to another side. A debate which will go on until June
the 23rd. Three and a half months of this. Let
us stick with the Sunday Telegraph and the Sunday trading story.
Tory party at all as I was saying. The theme today. Two ministers have
threatened to quit because the Government wants to push away with
relaxing the Sunday trading. Up to 50 backbench Tory MPs may rebel. You
were talking about rebelling in the ranks. I don't know whether they are
rebelling because they really don't want relaxation of Sunday trading
laws or whether it is a statement. It strikes me the Government looks
extraordinarily weak and they will struggle to get this through.
As an economist, though, looking at the whole trading law in this
country anyway, would it make any difference to shopkeepers and
business owners if they have relaxed hours?
Inevitably. And the people who were there. The people who do the
shopping, we would be very pleased. No doubt a lot of the shops would be
pleased as well, especially the large shops. Whether people who work
there will be so pleased is different. I do think they will find
it hard to push this through. Osborne has already stood back on
his pensions reform because of the implications with his party which
tells you an awful lot. I want to move away from the Tory
story, there is a genuine story, a lot of people feel we have pushed
and pushed until shopping is our new religion. I think it is really
important to rethink this. The idea we must always shocked when we want,
whether people are able to work, what does it do to our lives to be
forever spending money? I am becoming very Christian on this. I
would like to be no shopping. As a Christian, I would like to shop
on Sunday! Ladies, we are disagreeing like
politicians. Michael Gove.
I was going to say Tories at war. This is a security story, another
twist in the EU debate. We have heard this story before.
David Cameron has been saying if we leave the EU there is a terrific
threat to our security. Michael Gove says if we stay, there is a terrific
threat. There is fear. He has accused Europe
of growing fascism. And that, he is referring back to Nazism. Here is
Boris Johnson on the side of Michael Gove saying they don't like the
fear, the fear mongering among the Brexit people. They fear mongering
themselves. It is ridiculous. Do you think the public at large who
will vote in this referendum will be getting confused?
That is what I suspect. Project Fear on both sides, Michael Gove and
Boris Johnson are trying to have no Project Fear. I take your point. The
great British public will think, I'm going to bed for the next three
months! What a lovely thought.
No exclamations in the Sunday Times, what is this story?
I am horrified, everything I write is full of exclamations.
The new idea unless a sentence starts with the word what or how,
what a lovely day, how exciting, then unless those sentences begin
with those words, you cannot use an exclamation.
Who will police this! Goodness only knows!
The language police. It will be very confusing for teachers and for their
young charges. This is absurd. This sentence that
ends in an exclamation but which does not have one of the grammatical
patterns shown above in this article, is not considered to be
creditworthy. I do think too many people are using
exclamations all the time and it can get irritating.
I do that. Style wise, it is like a little shriek.
Do you hear shouting when you see capitals?
I see nothing wrong with it actually.
Moving on to the Sunday mail, and H, NHS babies's organs.
I do not find it shocking. When you look beyond the front page which is
meant to be shocking, it is very, very skewed in One Direction. One
can read it in different ways. Parents are given a choice when they
know their baby is not viable, to either have an abortion, or have
birth and the organs can be harvested. The same newspapers, when
they see a real need for proper research around organs, we are the
first to shout about it. I think this is well done, and people know
what the tweezers. I think it is fine. We cannot get hysterical all
the time about foetuses when actually we have many more deaths we
are not worrying about. You are shaking your head? I find
the story shocking and unbelievable, the idea some lady is told she has a
deformed baby, there will be no pressure, oh, no, but imagine being
in that situation. By the way, would you like to carry to full term, have
a dead baby, but we can use the organs. .
I don't agree. As a mother, we can't judge all mothers's feelings. Some
others might feel, I can do some good. If I was a mother, I would
have done it. Would you? Do think the issue is
bigger. It obviously is. It highlights the shortage of available
organs aesthetically for very small children.
It does but this is too big a cost, my personal opinion, I was really
shocked. Moving to the Observer paper. I have
this, shunned by the family, snubbed, Sylvia Pankhurst is to be
honoured at last, what is happening? Sylvia was the one who was the
Socialist who went around saying the Lords should be cut at the knees. I
think she was going to cut it down which is why they objected. The TUC
and others are saying it is about time she had recognition. Which
strikes me as reasonable. It won't be in the grounds of the House of
Lords but in Clerkenwell Green which is quite a long way away.
I am glad she is getting recognition and even more that she was a
socialist like me. And an anti-racist.
Shock! We have Cromwell, the Cromwell statue must imitate all the
right wingers who walked by. It is our history.
It doesn't irritate me. It is International women's Day
coming up. I am critically pleased about this.
The Pankhurst we don't really talk about. I can't you go without the
big wedding. Rupert Murdoch and Jerry Hall are married.
They have their blessing yesterday. What you make of it?
I am very happy if she is happy. I think this is not a stupid woman,
not a gullible woman. If she has decided this is what she wants, be
happy, Jerry Hall, I won't be a pitch about it. Too many on Twitter
are being really horrible. They are.
Stop it, it is her choice. An outbreak of agreement!
The first one in this session. They are both grown-ups. Not that I would
point to their ages. It is up to them to make their
decision. We heard phrases yesterday like two
worlds colliding, the biggest power couple in the world. Are they?
All people who have found love? An immensely powerful man, fourth time
lucky I hope for him. It is not about that. She clearly
decided she was happy with him. I think you know what? It is really
hard for winning as they grow older to find someone who really loves
them and takes care of them if it hasn't worked out before. If he does
that, fine. I hear from some of the newspapers
Mick Jagger is not happy. Tough. Then we should really
celebrate this wedding. It has ruined my day.
And her first engagement ring at ?2.4 million.
Thank you very much for coming in. Thanks to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
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