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That is all the sports and now, now on BBC News, here is Gavin with The

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Papers. Welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. The

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front pages: The Sunday Times says Palace officials have conceded the

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Queen has been damaged by recent stories, strongly denied she favours

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a British exit from the European Union. The Mail on Sunday have

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disclosures from the new book from David Laws who describes this

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simmering tension between the Prime Minister and Boris Johnson and

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Michael Gove. The papers look to the budget with the mail saying the

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Chancellor is under pressure to ditch tax cuts for the well. The

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observer is saying this could have an effect on the EU vote. The Sunday

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Telegraph reports the trains on the HS2 rail scream are in danger of

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derailment. I'm not clear why they think the Queen has been damaged?

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Has it damaged her? I don't think so. We have a second, third person

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accounts of what she might have said. It is based on rumours. Even

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if she said what they said she said, which is the European Union seems to

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have a lot of problems and going in the wrong direction, it doesn't mean

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Brexit does it? When was it said? I agree with her, it is fantastic. The

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Palace fights to save the Queen's independence. Then you get the

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sourcing of it and it is a friend of somebody and somebody who had a

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relation who is one of the Queen's many ladies in waiting. It is based

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on a book which refers to a conversation three years ago, is it?

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The Queen had said something like a Scottish voters should think

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carefully before they voted. Hardly surprising! What is the opposite of

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that, don't think before you vote. But this goes back to the sun

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newspaper and Tony Gallagher. He knew what he was doing and he was

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reflect ding his master's voice, namely Mr Murdoch. He would know you

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don't report private conversations. There is a protocol, particularly

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strong about the Palace and the Queen herself. He chose to break it.

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You have said it, his master's voice. A much more interesting story

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is ministers sensational memoirs. Michael Gove is nuts and Horace is

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after my job. I love that headline. Bring back Playschool. You do want

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to read this story. I want to read the book. The series point is,

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stripped of the abuse, it looks like the Conservative Party is fighting

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its own civil war? It is very true. We have seen bits and pieces even

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without looking at this book. We have seen the tussles. It goes back

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to 2010, if not earlier. It has got worse as things have gone along. I

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think Brexit has become a point where there will be a fair amount of

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blood-letting. It is not going to go away. If you talk to people on the

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Brexit side and put to them, what happens if you lose? They say, we

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keep on fighting. It is a core issue of absolute belief for many people.

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I remember the American civil war. I wasn't personally there. But it was

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the Confederates afterwards, the great lost cause and it went on for

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the rest of the 19th century and into American politics. There are

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traces of it today. Remember the Confederate flag over South

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Carolina. Can I just say, this is desperate stuff. First of all, we

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have to say somebody voted to get out of the EC, as it was then. We

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could follow the example, Greenlands. -- Greenland. Greenland

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is on top of the agenda for most. Ins and outs, now is your big

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opportunity. I have been in clubs, pubs, railway stations and been

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board the decades about both sides of this argument. Now is your time,

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make your case. I am astonished at how badly they making it on both

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sides. Given the importance of it. My friend Mike Jackson, has ago. He

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wants to stay in? He is keen on England and southern tree. Going

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back to the civil war analogy, it is this article of faith, kind of like

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the SNP. We must keep going with Scottish independent. But going back

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to the civil war analogy, what happens next? Do we get

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reconstruction? Then is what we are doing a sudden strategy escalated

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and accelerated. Then the Tories talk about cutting loose everything

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and focusing on hanging on to southern England. The people will

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decide. Talking of reconstruction, if you read the Observer, Osborne

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tax plans will hand the money to the wealthiest. George Osborne is in

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this newspaper saying we are doomed. Not quite, but because of world

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factors, oil, the Middle East, China and dangers, all of which is

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generally accepted, things are looking bad this year? Yes. I am

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surprised he came up with this just now. Of course, he could have

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started warning is more clearly after the general election. They got

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in with a majority, a working majority, given the law which I

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think is rather questionable, over all things being equal, parliaments

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must run for five years, which is a mistake. This should have started

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warning as then. Going back to something related in the Mike

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Jackson piece, Mike Jackson says we have got to stick together as

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allies. Alliances work things out. The big thing he points out, which

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is related to the world crisis, it is the movement of people, the

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migration crisis is part of a world crisis. This will cost us a hell of

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a lot. We have had a bit too much of a sunny uplands in the preambles to

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budget speeches by the Chancellor. I think it will be quite a tough

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budget and I don't see him doing anything spectacular for two

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reasons, which are alluded to throughout the papers. One is just

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the general Brexit debate, which as you rightly say, is tearing up the

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Conservative Party, whatever they may say to the contrary. The other

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thing, he is part of the Boris, Cameron succession mix and he will

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not do that to spoil his chances. If you go back to the Autumn Statement,

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what is that about the conditions haven't changed globally that

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drastically. So why wasn't this flagged up then? It was a bit more

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optimistic in the Autumn Statement, although he did say there would

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cuts. I agree it should have been flagged up last May. The policies

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should have been put in place at that point. But having said that, I

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don't see how he is going to present something radical or revolutionary

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with Brexit pending. In terms of the gloom, Mr Osborne's gloom, he is on

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the button as far as... It isn't just him, the president of China

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says the same thing, the governor of the Bank of England, they all do it

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in different ways. Knowing a bit about of Mario Draghi's background,

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this has been a big fear that we could be in a long decline of the

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euro. People around him really think the euro, we are going to see it

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very soon, looking very unviable. The question is whether they have

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any more clubs in the bag to do anything about it. The Telegraph,

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HS2 at risk of derailing at top speed. These journalists -- research

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says it could go wrong. It is like the zombie movies, it cannot die. It

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keeps coming back. Leader-macro it is a terrible model, come on. You

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mean a chest to is a model? The debate. HS1 seems to be OK. But this

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isn't built yet. I think there is a fundamental here. The reason why,

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the strongest case for building HS2, you cannot fix and upgrade the

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existing track and use it at the same time. I know we're looking at

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an infrastructure that was built for a nation, or a union of nations of

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about 40 million at most and we're looking at a country of 70 million.

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Things are going wrong all over the place, gas, floods, whatever. An

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awful lot that is not resolved about HS2. I don't want to be, not in my

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backyard, but my cycling track, I go from Euston. And that controversy is

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roaring on. We don't have time to talk about the Heathrow Airport

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controversy. There's an interesting piece in the Sunday Times, Niall

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Ferguson. He says, President Obama tours blame on his friends while the

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middle east fixes cracks. As Patrick Cockburn says in the independent and

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what Ferguson alludes to, President Obama was having a go at American

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allies in the middle east. Saudi Arabia is the problem. I think we

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are on the same page on that, perhaps? The unquestioning support

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for Saudi Arabia for not just the President Obama period, but going

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back decades into the 40s, has been a major issue for all of us. I think

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we are seeing the fruits of it. But also seeing the solution of it. He

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is saying no blank cheque support to the Saudis. We have been talking a

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lot about reconstruction, the real problem in the centenary is how are

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we going to put this mosaic back together again? We are not. I think

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Niall Ferguson's column, he's pretty cunning as a journalist when he was

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moonlighting from Oxford. I think that comment has grown into a major

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important. He has always got something interesting to say about

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the USB. It is a compliment by the Patrick Cockburn piece. What

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President Obama is saying, you have all got together and you have got to

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sort this out. You, Europe, with the middle east powers, he is not

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particularly articulate, but he is a thinker, a very deep thinker. I

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don't think we will get as deep thinker after him whether it is

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Hillary or Donald Trump. Ferguson uses the metaphor, because this is a

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catastrophe waiting to happen. It was always built by Saddam Hussein

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on the cheap. People knew it. It is very difficult to maintain. US

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military engineers have tried to do it. But since the care of it has

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been difficult under Isil, if this breaks, it will flood, I have got to

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get it right, the Euphrates valley. It goes right down to bag dad.

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Attends the 1.5 million could drown. General Lloyd Austin said to the

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Senate this week, quoted by Ferguson, this would be a

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humanitarian disaster. So, says Ferguson, quite rightly, if there

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wasn't a humanitarian disaster anyway, nobody has a strategic view

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how to do with it. It needs a brain like President Obama's. It will be

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with us for the rest of our lifetime. Maybe it is one the

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President Donald Trump. Can you imagine! We are going to get

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President Donald Trump. One of the pieces is President Obama's motto is

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don't do stupid stuff. He may have to rethink that one. We may see

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Donald Trump recalibrating himself. Anorexia is not as says Joan Beckel.

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She says the rise is a sign of growing losses and self regard. What

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do you make of that? It is a difficult one. I am trying to be

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sympathetic and take into account she grew up in the war years. Really

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trying to pass off anorexia on narcissistic young people as I

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think, doing the young people quite a huge disservice. The thing about

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this that struck me was, what you are sort of saying is, it is your

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fault you are sick. Which is unfortunate, because it is an

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illness. Knowing the person personally, I don't think she would

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say that. Joan is like a head girl. To set it in context, she was laying

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out the sketch, she was drawing up the short list for the welcome prize

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but the science of the. Very, very good prize. She was musing on this

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thing about the obsession with diet and image. She is a grandmother, I

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am pretty sure. She sees this. What she is trying to say which has come

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out in her latest autobiographical volume is people taking charge of

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their own destiny. That is what she is worried about, people and sixth

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forms and so on. The blame culture. It is the buzzword of the day, she

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has fallen for it. Everyone is narcissistic. After all, what are we

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doing? This is an exercise in narcissism. But this idea we just

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got on with it and keep calm and carry on, had its moment. But I

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think let's say, not precisely what is needed right now. I slightly

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disagree. Virtues that are encouraged not active, they are

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intransitive or passive. Things like courage, taking responsibility,

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risk. We have got the compliance Nat sees all round the corner. I am

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about to fall over and microphone cord. I think what she is trying to

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say is there is a lot of truth and sends in that, perhaps it didn't

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come out the right way. We will get some compliance Nat sees Timmy you

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at the door. Thank you both. We take a look at the next day's front pages

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at 10:30pm and 11:30pm here on BBC News.

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Good morning. It was a murky start with fog and mist patches around.

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Those fog patches continue

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