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Welcome to our look ahead at what the Papers will be bringing us

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tomorrow. Yasmine Brown and Vincent Moss join us now. Tomorrow's

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front-pages are already in, and the Sunday Times leads on a call from

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the former Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair, to crush Isis or be

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faced with a terrorist act in Britain that's worse than Paris or

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Brussels. He calls on the West to equip Arab Ground Forces.

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The Mail on Sunday says convicted terrorists are being paid terrorists

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using British aid money and it criticises the Government's

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commitment to spending 0.7% of national income on foreign aid. The

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telegraph quotes one of America's top generals, David Petraeus as

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saying he thinks a Brexit would weaken the West. The Sunday Express

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says after the terrorist attacks, it's time for the fightback. It

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reports that SAS squads are ready to fly in and protect any town in the

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UK. The Star on Sunday leads with "got him! " Saying Belgium police

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have arrested the third bomber. He's been charged with murder.

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The Observer leads with a warning from the Health Secretary, Jeremy

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Hunt. He says if Britain votes to leave the European Union, the NHS

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would face budget cuts, falling standards and an Exodus of junior

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doctors and nurses. Let's begin and we are going to

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start with the Observer and that story that we have talked about, how

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all of a sudden now the National Health Service, according to Jeremy

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Hunt, is under threat if we decide to leave. Yasmine? Yes. I think this

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is interesting because actually I wouldn't have expected Jeremy Hunt

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to come in on this debate in quite this way. It's very interesting;

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those who want to stay, when they come up with their own take on it,

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are accused of project fear by the Brexit lot. But Nick Clegg wrote a

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very good piece this week where he said, on the other side with Brexit,

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it's project fib, so you have got project fear very suss profig and

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there's something in it. It's obvious to me that if we leave,

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there will be a problem with some aspects of the National Health

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Service. The pressure on it may well go down but I'm not sure the numbers

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of people coming into this country will necessarily be going down. So

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it's an interesting political move. He's also saying if the economy

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doesn't do as well, then Britain won't be able to fund the National

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Health Service as it is, that's also another argument he's talking about?

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That seems to be his central point which is one that all the Government

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ministers who're on the remain side, are saying, which is that if the

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economy does worse, that will be bad for the NHS. Many would say when

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Jeremy Hunt talks about a potential Exodus of doctors, that the main

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cause of that would be Jeremy Hunt himself. Yes. With his plans to

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impose contracts they find deeply unplavrmt it's a strange way of

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linking the NHS to Brexit. Next week, there will be an Environment

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Minister popping up, perhaps the week after that, a Defence Minister.

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Getting cynical vibes coming out. Absolutely. We haven't heard a great

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deal from Jeremy Hunt about staying in? He's been too busy annoying and

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pushing off doctors actually. I never knowingly in my life agreed

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with anything Hunt has said but I think he's right that, you know, the

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whole link-up with Europe has been very good for health tourism both

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ways actually. A lot of our people, you know, people forget how many

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British people for example go to France for certain operations, for

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certain treatments that are not available here. Do they have to pay

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for that? No, they do not. Cosmetic surgery is a lot cheaper in European

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countries. My husband had to have an operation on his hand which couldn't

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be performed here but was informed in an hour in Paris and he couldn't

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have done that. A lot of people are going, not because they have a

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better service, but because they have certain specialities which we

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don't have. We have had our children go to Poland for cancer treatments,

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you know. We are not thinking about how connected we are and how good

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that has been with all the problems I understand.

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OK. Let us stay with the Brexit but change papers and on now to the

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Sunday Times. This isn't the main story but Brexit's big buzz list

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backfires. Businesses backing the campaign to leave the European

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Union. The paper claiming that's unravelled because some chain they

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didn't know they were being signed up. This is an increased problem.

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They get lots of worthies, dignitaries to sign a letter and

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publish it in a newspaper. The Sunday Times is pointing out it

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seems to be unravelling. The cofounder of Carphone Warehouse and

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the founder of Phones 4 U were surprised to find themselves on the

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list. I find it ironic that both these people founded mobile phone

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empires, you would have thought somebody would have rung them up and

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told them they were going to put them on the list. Good point. John

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Cadwell supported the campaign. You have to check when compiling the

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lists. But I'm sure I remember it wasn't one of the staying in open

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manned by people that... Yes, absolutely. It seems so far to be a

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very unground up debate on both sides. People don't know the facts,

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they have not been given the facts at all about the things they need to

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know before they can vote. Our media's not been very good at

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communicating the basic information to let people make an intelligent

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choice, they've just got carried away. It's hard because people argue

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about the truth behind the information. Isn't there a

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fact-checking website now which is really good and you can go there and

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you can check these facts and give you the proper numbers completely

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objective numbers and I think that's where we have to go now with this

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debate. We have a long few weeks ahead of it as well. Let's change

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story but stick with the Sunday Times and the headline on the main

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story Blair; crush Isis or horror will intensify and he's calling for

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the West to equip Arab ground forces. Let's come on to that aspect

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of it, but Tony Blair calling for a steppup of military action. He never

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gets over this. He must have had such a lot of guns and soldiers when

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he was a little boy. There is this impulse in him. I mean he's right,

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the Isis threat is at a different level from Al-Qaeda or Taliban. I

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would never deny that. I think it's taken everybody by shock, they're

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very well organised. Why are they well organised? Because some of the

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people who're organising their campaigns were Ba'athists, Generals

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and top people in the Iraq Army, the two allies got rid of them. But his

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need to go and use weaponry is astonishing, it's kind of... I don't

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know, psychosis. I don't understand that. This is not going to go away.

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We have to find different ways, I don't know. He does make the point

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which many would agree with that, when it comes to Isis, they can't be

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contained, they have to be defeated. That's the idea that every time it's

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an arrest it's a great victory and we are all safe again is not the

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case and it's a systemic problem that has to be dealt with where it's

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happening, if you like, in the region and it's no good just

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arresting and picking people up in European cities, it's far deeper and

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Tony Blair is saying a Rapid Reaction Force should be set up to

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deal with incidents where they happen. That's fine but it's still

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not going to solve the problem. Annal cysts saying you can't crush a

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collective like this? -- analysts say. And who has spend over $07

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billion in the last few years getting into young Muslim people's

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heads? Saudi Arabia. What does Mr Blair have to say about this allie

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of ours Saudi Arabia, who has sent this infection around the world?

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Nothing. Strangely admitted. Saudi Arabia of course would dispute that.

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But what I want to bring you now is, he's talking about Arab ground

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forces. Now that to me begs the question, which Arab ground forces.

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Yes. There's always been a view that nations in the region should be

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doing more, not least because everybody in the West is very

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reluctant to commit ground troops into these areas and it's a

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coalition of willing countries and nations around there, but as you

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say, all that is a sort of a real hot bed of problems in itself

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because of all the rivalries in the area. So how you sort that out, I

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don't know. That's what the West did, they went and armed the

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so-called good guys and look where we are now, we don't know who the

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good guys are any more. Exactly. Just on this, do you think now, like

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him or don't like him, do people listen to Tony Blair still? I don't

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think so. I don't think so. I don't wholly blame him for what's

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happening, you know, as other people seem to think if we hadn't have had

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this war in Iraq, we wouldn't be experiencing what we are

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experiencing. In my view, the project has been funded by Saudi

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Arabia and this is on record, I'm not making it up. But where I think

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it's very sad is that people have forgotten his good record now

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because he is so focussed on trying to clear his name over the war, he

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did some brilliant stuff with the nation. But he's still in the

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Spotlight because we are still awaiting the Chilcot Report. Which

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is mentioned as well in this piece. We'll be dead by then! Still no date

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on that. OK so that was the Sunday Times' main story. Now back to

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Brexit, on to the Sunday Telegraph. And this, another US intervention,

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but this time it's General Petraeus warning that being within the

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European Union makes Britain stronger against the Jihadists. Are

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you buying that, Vincent? It's a very good article actually, a better

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one than the Tony Blair article in the way it's written, it inVokes a

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Chilean tone and you have the top American general warning about the

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isolationism of Brexit. He makes the case and it's an Easter

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weekend, apart from terror events in Europe, there's not too much going

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on domestically. Let's not forget David Petraeus was the person who

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made the biggest mistakes after the war in Iraq. The failures, he was

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the one who made all the bad decisions, so for him to stand up

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and say very much that people should listen to Isis is not wise. But they

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are determined to get the message out there. I suspect this would have

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been the campaign warning of the risks. But why is it in the

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Telegraph which is more or less Brexit isn't it? As a lead story?

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Yes. Even the sceptical papers, the propapers, they want to run

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reasonably good stories at the moment. You would expect the

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Telegraph to be very much on that side of the argument, but it's a

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good story and probably one of the better Brexit stories around in the

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Sunday papers. Certain think Brexit and Islamic state dominate in the

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headlines, as we probably expected. This development with general

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Petraeus comes after we were told we were going to hear President Obama

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saying we should remain in? It would have been different. Do you think we

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are going to see more and more foreign backers give us their

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opinion about what to stay over the coming week? It's always hard when,

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especially America intervenes, and it's very hard the other way. There

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was a time when the last American election when some big names started

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to say vote for Obama and it was taken very badly in America. I think

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it's the same here. There is this sense that America cannot tell us

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what to do on Europe. I don't think it plays well. It will always

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dominate in Britain. If you are an American visiting or interviewing an

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American politician, whether it's the BBC or a newspaper, they are

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always going to be asked and they follow the same broad script which

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is, we prefer when Europe is united rather than divided.

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It was the Observer piece about the fact that although the remain in

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campaign, according to the opinion polls would suggest they are still

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in the lead, just, that Downing Street's worried about the number of

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undecideds and, are you getting the feeling that they are quite a

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significant number? Well, they will decide. We saw with the febrile

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nature around the general election which most predicted wrongly, lots

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of people won't consider this issue until much closer to June 23, the

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referendum date, probably the last week and that critical proportion of

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undecideds may swing the votes. We have the May elections coming up. We

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need to be looking at that first and then looking at the June referendum.

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It's taken off and now there's no putting it back into the bottle. I

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can't help but wonder whether the undecideds are being put off by all

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of the mood music? I think so. I think they tune out, by and large,

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and they'll tune back in in the days running up to the poll. You have

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very strong views. Those who feel strongly won't change their mind

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about it. Those who're firmly in are firmly in, those firmly out are

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firmly out. It's the critical 10-15% who are undivided. For young people

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it's not even a big issue, they are brought up as Europeans now but yes,

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it's... I mean all we need is pop stars singing... I'm sure that will

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be the next thick. -- next thing. The Mail on Sunday, time to squeeze

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this is in. The story that Petronella Wyatt is breaking her

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silence on Boris Johnson's affair. Why are the guns out for Boris

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Johnson in the Mail, do you think? And now, she's been silenced in the

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interim years but when it happened, there was a huge amount that we all

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read and remember about it. I think Boris at Select Committee this week,

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some of the way Boris is arguing about a Brexit, lazily, picking

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facts which are not facts, is upsetting a lot of people, but that

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doesn't explain why the Mail on Sunday has decided to remind people

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of his hot days at the Spectator. And he's the poster boy of the

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campaign as well? Because George Osborne had a very bad budget and he

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was always seen as really the potential successor to David Cameron

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apart from Boris, the scrutiny is now starting to fall on Boris

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Johnson as potentially the next Conservative Leader and potential

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think next Prime Minister because I don't think David Cameron will stay

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to the last day of the 2020 Parliament so the scrutiny is there

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and he had an interesting piece in the Times today by Matthew Paris who

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was extremely critical of Boris Johnson, that's sparked renewed

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interest and renewed scrutiny and explained why the Mail on Sunday

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have turned their focus and lens firmly on this. Do you think we are

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going to get more on this Much more and he's a fascinating and

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interesting character. Indeed! What papers - it's interesting to see

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that it's the Mail - they have been extremely supportive? Not least

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because Rachel Johnson, Boris's sister writes. She's a columnist on

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the Mail on Sunday, yes, so it's a surprise. Maybe it's just simply

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commerce - people love gossip of this kind and they'll buy the paper.

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Of course we don't know what is inside, we haven't had the inside

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papers. But you can imagine this will be a good read. Yes, with some

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of the Brexit stuff as well. Yes. I can tell you will be desperate to

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get your hands on this. I know all of it because it's been around for

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such a long time. An odd time to bring it out now, except because the

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guns are out for Boris to focus. He's either going to be the next

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Conservative Leader or not and these stories will play a big part. Miss

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Wyatt must still be very angry about what happened. A woman scorned is

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doesn't... We'll leave that hanging in the air. I know because I was one

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and, you know, we don't go quietly. That is it from the papers this

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hour, thank you to Yasmine and Vincent. Back later for the 11. 30

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