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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are the broadcaster Julia Hartley-Brewer

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and the political commentator Lance Price.

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The FT leads with the Treasury analysis about the possible impact

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The paper says the Justice Secretary Michael Gove will launch a "stinging

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The i newspaper says Mr Gove will claim the Chancellor

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is "treating the public like children with scare stories".

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The Mail focuses on one part of the Treasury document

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which claimed migration will bring 3 million people to the UK.

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-- which suggests millions more people will migrate to the UK.

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The Guardian leads on the same story - saying the Tory faultlines

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The picture is shows a nun from Northern Ireland who was killed

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The Metro has the latest on the celebrity injunction battle.

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It reports that the individual concerned has spent ?1

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According to the Telegraph Britain is preparing to send troops to Libya

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to help in the battle against so-called Islamic State

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without asking for Parliament's permission.

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According to the Express a cure for Alzheimer's with daily

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injections of a new drug could be just five years away.

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The picture shows the Ronnie Corbett's widow

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And the Mirror says the detective leading the hunt

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for Madeleine McCann has insisted she may still be found alive.

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Julia, will we start with the Guardian? Michael Gove, pro-EU camp

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treats us Lake children. Tory fault lines are widening. It is getting

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nasty, isn't it -- like children. Yes, it is getting nasty. I think

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George Osborne overpaid his hand when he announced the 200 page

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document with these bogus figures, ?4300 per household, given that the

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prediction in his budget reports do not even get the figure is right for

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the next three months. Unlikely we would know what would happen in

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2030. His figures are made up, utterly meaningless. No Economist

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ever uses these terms, GDP per household, and I agree with Michael

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Gove, that actually treating people like children like this, creating

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these bogeyman and scare stories, it is undermining that actually

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democratic debate. I am a Eurosceptic and I know how I will

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vote and you are Europhile and you know how you will board but when you

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look at all the undecided voters, they are crying out for the facts.

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If the Argent could be one for either side on the facts, let's stop

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playing around with silly nonsense and scaremongering and speak about

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facts, what we actually know. There was nothing in that treasury

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document. Mac the public being treated like children, Lance? No, I

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don't think they are. -- Lance, I the public being treated like

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children. What is interesting about this is that this was not a party

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political or Remain document. This was a Government document, Treasury

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figures. Yet you have members of the same Government saying you cannot

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believe the figures the Treasury putting out so in the longer term,

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in terms of trying to put the Tory party and the Government back

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together again after all of this, the way in which it has become

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personal like this and you have ministers, serving ministers in the

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Cabinet, are -- arguing about whether official Government

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statistics can be trusted, I think the Tories have got themselves into

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trouble. Absolutely. Interestingly they have not asked the budget for

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-- OBR to give predictions for Brexit, and that is because they are

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independent. These Treasury ministers were not chosen for their

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independence, they were chosen because that would fit the

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Government line. Went back as far as you are aware, is anyone from the

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Leave camp going to be going to the OBR for their own figures... Go the

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not allowed to. Isn't that part of the problem, you have a vacuum here

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of information and that vacuum of information is being filled by the

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Treasury, by the In camp. Berger independent bodies like the London

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School of economics and others have come up with their own surveys who

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are independent, you would agree. They have come broadly to the same

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conclusion as the Treasury that there will be a cost. I completely

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accept... There would be a cost if there is a Labour Government in 2020

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there are costs to any change that happens at the national Government.

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Samak let's look at the cost of pulling out and staying in and we

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can have a proper comparison. # Let's look at the cost. You cannot

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compare like with like. The point is we cannot predict... But how can you

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have a campaign to get the UK to vote to leave the European Union

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when you are saying there aren't any facts... We're not saying that. We

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are seeing you cannot predict what will happen in 2030 or even 2020 if

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we voted to leave on the 23rd of June. The point is we do not know

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what the deal will be. We do know what the strength in our argument

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about how good the deal can be if actually we negotiate well. David

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Cameron, of the last year, said Britain will prosper whether we

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leave the EU or whether we stay in the EU. Nicola Sturgeon, herself,

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who wants to stay in the European Union. She came out and said this

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kind of thing is not helping, it is not helping at all, it is just scare

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Michael Gove, then you should not Michael Gove, then you should not

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read it here could before bedtime -- if you believe Michael Gove. There

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is a real question about whether or not people will make up their minds

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on the basis of these documents. Ordinary and sensible people will

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not read them. Samak then they will say, hang on, OK, we have gone

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through the figures and these are the figures were Coltishall might

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well have some impact on people's thinking and I hope it does but we

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have to decide on the basis of figures, on the basis of fact, not

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just raw emotion. It is not raw emotion! The problem with the Leave

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campaign is that they know what they are up against, the EU, but they do

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not know what they are for. Do not tell people like me, part of the

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Brexit campaigners, do not tell people like me that I do not know

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with them for. I am for democracy, sovereignty... No, we don't have to

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have... Norway is a tiny little country with little negotiating

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power, Canada, beggar, but not an economy like ours. We have far more

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power. If you see is living the Germans and the French are going to

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say, we don't want to sell to Britain any more, you are

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certifiably insane. There is nothing negative about her belief in your

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country being able to make its own laws and control its own borders.

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There is nothing negative about that at all. It is positive. My point

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again is it is a belief. It is not believe... You just said it was.

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Believing the EU should control how we run our country is a belief. 200

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page document. Mac that is my point. Facts and figures, black and white,

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call the hard stuff -- that my point. There are plenty of figures

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about how many of our laws... Lets get exact figures. What the Daily

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Mail has alighted on, Lance, is the suggestion that it do 2030, there

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will be a hell of a lot more immigrants coming to this country as

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a result of us being in the European Union, and this is the kind of thing

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that scares people. It does and it goes back to the point I was making

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earlier that this is an official Government document that shows the

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Government is going to miss its own targets on migration because the

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basis of the calculations drawn up is that whether we stay in or leave

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there will be more immigrants coming into the country than the Government

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is aiming to... Many more. Once again, can you trust Government

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predictions? And at the end of all this will close Government

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productions be even less credible than they were at the beginning?

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Julia, the cold hard facts. According to... Our own figures,

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they are predicated on the idea there will be 3 million more

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immigrants in the population and given one of the biggest issues

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people are concerned about, not the biggest, the economy being the

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biggest, but emigration is one of the key issues and controlling our

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border in the EU referendum... This just shows part of the deal if we

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stay in the EU is that we will have open borders and as things go more

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and more wrong in the EU economies, not just southern economies but in

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countries like France and Italy, where they are facing crisis

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imminently, we will see more people coming to Britain. Unless we are

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going to create an extra 3 million jobs then that is British people's

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jobs that are going. OK, let's go to the Metro, Julia. The inner bed

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stars ?1 million bid to keep his gag. The Court of Appeal has said

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that so many people know the name of this person and his family that

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there is no point keeping this injunction -- three in a bed. But we

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cannot see the name now because he has been given leave to appeal. Does

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that mean the end pretty much of this kind of celebrity injunction --

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we cannot fight back. I thought they had ended some time ago. Once we had

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the Internet and people were free to search on things like Twitter. I am

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very much a believer in people's right to privacy, if they are not

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doing anything criminally wrong or against anyone's consent. If this

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couple want an open marriage, that is entirely up to them and, frankly,

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I would rather not know about it. But for them to go to court when

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they claim they have rights to privacy when they are known for

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parading their family life, their children, to an extent I think

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personally appalling for any celebrity, basically selling their

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children's visit, I just do not think they have a leg to stand on.

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Sign of what is clear is that the decision they went through, at least

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one of them, perhaps both -- and what is clear. The route they were

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due to seek this injunction, and we can think who the story is about

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because it is not that difficult to find out if you can use the

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intranet. But, you know, had the story appeared, probably it would

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have come and gone -- the intranet. You would think, yes, big deal, so

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what, up to them. But what they have done is create this massive interest

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that would not otherwise have been there. They have people speaking

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about it and when the time comes, presumably, I mean, it is very hard

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to believe... But did they do that or did the press do that? The press

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have done it as a punishment for them getting an injunction but as a

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general rule if you do not want people to find out you are having

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threesomes I would say, don't have threesomes. What is to stop a media

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paper on instructing or making clear to his or her offshoot in the United

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States or Australia, publish. The already have, that is the thing. In

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Scotland, it is already... People are watching this right now who can

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read it in the paper. When they are fundamentally undermining the

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injunction. It is not just that the intranet is there, this baseless

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thing suddenly putting this story out there, it is the press whipping

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this up, -- faceless thing. The press are encouraging that because

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they could not get published. And encouraging people to search on the

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Internet. In a sense, yes, but these people are world-famous

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entertainment figures, public figures. Apparently. Apparently, if

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they are those people, and perhaps they might be! Therefore, you know,

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if it is a news story of any interest at all, and the American

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National Enquirer or whatever, it will be a story, a story in America,

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so how do they possibly say taking out an injunction just in Britain,

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which does not even cover Scotland, would possibly ever worked? Giving a

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key thing to point out is we do believe in the freedom of the press

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and that is the trade-off between the right to privacy and the freedom

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of the press and the national interest, and I personally do not

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think there is any public interest in the story. You're right. If you

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live your life in the media, it is very hard... Yes, tough, quite

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frankly. The Daily Telegraph. Lance, what is going on in Libya? The

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Foreign Secretary was there today, meeting the new go Prime Minister,

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belatedly and desperately trying to prop up this new administration in

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the hope that -- the new go Prime Minister. In the hope it can

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gradually build up some authority and push back so-called Islamic

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State and so on. As part of that, the government has said it will or

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is prepared to send his troops out to help train the Libyan forces

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which is not unusual. That happened in other countries before but there

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is a bit of an art of whether they can should do that without going to

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Parliament first. -- bit of an argument about whether. The

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Government is saying that quite rightly the rules are fairly clear,

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they can do that, it is not a combat mission. There are questions over

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whether there are security would still be at risk, because they would

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be identified as a sort of foreign incursion, and also whether, you

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know mission creep. We have seen in other theatres, it starts off is

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training the local forces, then it, they find themselves... I have never

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been of the view the prime ministers should give up his prerogative to

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send our troops to war, that he is the leader of the Armed Forces --

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that the prime ministers should give up. I think that was wrong for Prime

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Ministers to hand up her over. And for Cameron to do that in Syria last

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time around. We will have to ended there. Unbelievable. Many thanks. To

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Lance and Julia. Before you go these front pages have

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come in while we've been on air: The end of celebrity injunction is,

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in the Times. Well the Daily Telegraph to back claims Britain is

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good to send troops to Libya without Parliament permission. The Sun says

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let 3 million more in to the UK. That is of course according to the

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Treasury documents released today. Much more coming up.

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Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website

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where you can read a detailed review of the papers.

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It's all there for you - seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

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and you can see us there too, with each night's edition

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of the Papers being posted on the page shortly after we've

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