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to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
With me are the Political Editor of the Daily Mirror, Jason Beattie, | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
and the Chief Political Correspondent of Buzzfeed, | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Welcome to you both. Tomorrow's front pages... | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
The FT leads on our main story tonight, the warning from the Bank | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
of England governor over the impact of a vote to leave | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
The same story dominates the front page of City AM, which pictures | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
Mark Carney and the leading leave campaigner and former | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
According to the Guardian, the former Prime Minister Sir John | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
Major will enter the European referendum debate tomorrow, | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
warning some Tories about their focus on immigration. | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
The Mail asked the Prime Minister, what are you scared of? After plans | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
for TV debates during the referendum are confirmed. Sentence | :01:11. | :01:28. | |
The Express pictures the Queen, who received a supermarket voucher | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
"Secret China plans to take over nuclear power station" | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
is the headline for the Times, with claims that Beijing | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
is preparing to rescue the Hinkley Point project | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
if the current deal with the French collapses. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
and the Mirror says a couple conned out of the surrogate mother had | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
expecting a baby, things to good Samaritan. | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
In the Guardian, Brexit Tories warned of immigration. A warning | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
from the former Prime Minister, John Major, passionately pro-European. | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Yes, and what is interesting is, he says in his speech that immigration | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
is seen as those who want to leave the European Union as their trump | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
card. So this is an attempt to actually counter the one point they | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
think they can win on. The Remain campaign have a very strong argument | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
on the economy. They have what they call Project Fear, where they are | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
beginning to make progress on this, as we will come onto later with the | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
Mark Carney intervention. One thing I find difficult, and a lot of | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
Labour MPs say this to me, the concern in their constituencies is | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
immigration, so John Major is trying to turn this on its head and say, | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
look, actually, you shouldn't play on these fears of immigration, | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
because it could be socially divisive, and you need to be careful | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
of your rhetoric. This is a message to Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
and others in the Leave Campaign. So will it work? I don't know. Some | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
people might say, don't lecture me, but an interesting tactic. | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
An interesting point, isn't it, Amelie? He is saying he will make | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
these comments at Oxford University, but could he puts people off when | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
political bigwigs way into the debate? -- Emily. I think so. We | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
have so many of these headlines with former Prime Minister 's. We have | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
Barack Obama as well, telling people what to do, what to think, and in | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
the end, it might come down to some people going, do you know what, I | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
have some genuine concerns about immigration and I don't really need | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
to tidy my concerns and genuine, thank you very much. They might be | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
affecting school places for my kids, they might be affecting the fact | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
that I can get a GP appointment, and these are genuine concerns. But John | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
Major's argument about it is an interesting one. Obviously, this | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
comes out after these migration statistics, which came out today, | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
which we will talk about in a minute. Yes, yes. So, on the back of | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
all that, ramping up these fears of more immigrants from Europe. | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
And on the back of the Bank of England Mark Carney's comments, of | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
course, which that's not surprisingly make the front page of | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
The Financial Times. Carney warns of recession danger from boat to quit | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
EU. Outspoken comments, Jason. As he stepped out of line, do you think | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
you matter well, no, on the grounds that he is the governor of the Bank | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
of England, and responsible for economic forecasting. | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
Therefore, he has a right to say if he thinks the pound could tumble, | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
that unemployment could rise, that prices could go up and that growth | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
could slump. He has a right to make that point. This has caused absolute | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
fury amongst the Leave campaigners, and they are upset about it, and you | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
can see why. This is damaging, because coming back to Emily's | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
point, who do we take our advice from? Polling shows that we listen | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
to Mark Carney, because he is seen as independent, and he is seen as a | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
serious figure, more than we listen to politicians in this debate. So | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
his intervention is very significant, because it is... The | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
rage is the rage of impotence, because they have nothing to counter | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
it with. Tory MPs are saying he should resign. Why should he resign | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
for doing his job? They are saying he is stepping out | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
of the economic role and into a political one. At Emily, what do you | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
think? Governor of the Bank of England, the monetary policy | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
committee, they have got it wrong in the past. | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
Yes, and that has been pointed out by indent in Smith. He says all | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
forecasts are wrong. The fact is, the Remain campaign has some big | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
voices on its side. The Bank of England governor will have some | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
weight for people, warning of a recession. I was at the | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
anti-corruption Summit today, where David Cameron was asked about this, | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
and he was absolutely loving it, seize on it immediately. We should | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
trust this man, we should trust the monetary committee, they know what | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
they are talking about. And these other -- these are the headlines the | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
government 14, with six more weeks. The FT has a short story about the | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
BBC holding out against direct appointments, the White Paper, of | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
course, published today by the Culture Secretary John Whittingdale. | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
Jason, it struck me as not being quite the fundamental assault on the | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
BBC we have been led to believe? Yes, I think we can all breathe a | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
sigh of relief. I was slightly worried when I was invited onto this | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
programme, but it has not come to pass. The Culture Secretary actually | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
encouraged a whole series of stories, or if not encourage them, | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
he did nothing to stop them, which threatened the worst for the BBC, | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
with fears about its independence, fears they would shackle is | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
scheduling ability, that they would not be able to show Strictly at | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
prime time, and none of it came to pass. I think most people will be | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
mightily relieved. There are some bits of the White Paper which still | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
worry me. The fact that the National Audit Office is now going to be | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
looking at the BBC's accounts, which makes it sound like an extension of | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
government, the fact that there are still fears about what is | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
distinctive broadcasting, that is to be discussed, and they worry about | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
the new BBC board, which will have political appointments on it, which | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
will lead to fears of interference, although the BBC will have majority | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
board members. So it is not a clear victory for those of us who want a | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
strong public sector broadcaster, but, sorry, a strong Public Service | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
Broadcasting, but it is not as bad as it could have been. | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
Amelie, Jason was to study by the BBC holding out against director | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
appointment. This is the unitary board weathered government will be | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
able to appoint people to put on it. There will be some who will say, the | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
government should have been more radical. | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
There were so many headlines about what this white paper would contain, | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
but it has massively been watered down. We saw those Sunday reports | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
about Strictly having to move as it might have clashed with and ITV | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
show. These things were briefed from somewhere, and actually, John | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
Whittingdale has been pretty anti-BBC for quite a long time, so I | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
think what the woman did not want was a row just before the | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
referendum, when they are already struggling with teachers and | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
doctors. -- what the government did not want. The iMac yes, this has | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
been more white flag and white paper! | :08:40. | :08:48. | |
Jason, The Times, plan to take over nuclear station. If these are | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
secret? Had we know about them? We know this because someone stood up | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
in the House of Lords and said it! A former Conservative energy | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
Secretary? A minister. What is interesting is, he is saying there | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
is also to problems at Hinkley Point. It is already running of the | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
budget, as nuclear power stations tend to do. There is concern about | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
the ability to build. The French firm behind it has had problems with | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
the steel and reactor in similar models in northern France, and now, | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
he is revealing that if the French can't do it, the Chinese are willing | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
to step in. Why does this sound alarm bells? Because firstly, the | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
security chiefs and military are worried about security, because an | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
awful lot of technology goes into these things. Then, they are worried | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
about this being used either Chinese, as it says on the story, as | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
a back door way of accessing information and state secrets, or | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
whatever. So this is why it has caused alarm. I would caution a | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
little bit. We do a lot of trade with China already, but our concerns | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
about spying and putting technology to certain uses, but this is also | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
slightly xenophobic, which does also worry me. | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
Let's move on to The International New York Times, Emily, and perhaps | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
unsurprisingly, they have a story about Donald Trump and the House | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
Speaker Paul Ryan, the most powerful Republican in America at the moment, | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
meeting. They have been at loggerheads. They meet in an attempt | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
to forge party unity, but the big question is, is he going to endorse | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
him? Yes, because I think Paul Ryan last | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
week had indicated he was not ready to endorse Donald Trump, who | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
desperately needs a fewer Republicans on his side, seeing as | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
he probably will become the candidate. So they have met today at | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
the Republican national committee. And actually, in a news conference | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
afterwards, Paul Ryan was quite welcoming. Encouraging, wasn't he? | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
He said he found Mr Trump a warm and genuine person. That does not sound | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
that a public endorsement, but it pays the way to making sure the | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
Republican party does not split up. Any thoughts on Donald Trump? | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
What is fascinating about him is, Paul Ryan is seen as a right winger, | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
but because Trump has taken the party so far to the right, he is now | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
seen as this moderate broker, and that shows how much trouble | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
Republicans are in. This party was in danger of fracturing, and because | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
of the poison which Trump has put into it, and here, he is trying to | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
take out a bit about poison. Whether it is enough to save the party | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
against Hillary Clinton, I doubt it. The front page of the Daily Express, | :11:30. | :11:37. | |
Britain's 1.5 hidden migrants -- 1.5 million. Why is this damaging to the | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
government, and how these figures coming out now? | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
This is a headline they just did not want. The reason it has come out now | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
is because the Office for National Statistics has published statistics | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
today. They were supposed to be published close to the referendum, | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
but surprise, surprise, they were published today on a day that the | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
BBC White Paper was also announced, on the day the anti-corruption | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
Summit was happening, but I am sure that was all a coincidence! The top | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
line is that around 1.5 million more EU migrants come to Britain over the | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
past five years than official figures have suggested in the past. | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
That doesn't really give you the full picture, because these are | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
short-term migrants, people who have come here and stayed a few weeks or | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
months and then gone back home. But people are saying, actually, these | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
people have an impact on jobs, and they might not have added to the | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
population as a whole, but those figures have been kind of kept under | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
wraps, so the Leave camp is flagging these stats with joy. | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Jason, do you think voters have been kept in the dark? | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
It depends whether you think they have been blinded by statistics or | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
not. There are so many ways of counting these things. As Amelie | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
said, this is about discrepancy between the way the Office for | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
National Statistics had been counting migration, and the number | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
of National Insurance numbers given out to people who have come here to | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
work, and this is what it was trying to clear up, so yes, we told the | :13:06. | :13:13. | |
full story today, and we find that actually, this is years, and | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
secondly, they are short-term migrants, people coming to work for | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
in some cases a couple of weeks. I would take John Major's line on | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
this. Me just -- maybe some of the scaremongering needs to be turned | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
down a bit. And in the Daily Express, pictures | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
of the Queen. Hooray, one has won a ?50 Tesco gift voucher. This was in | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
a horse race. What is she going to buy with ?50? | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
Is she actually going to use it? I hope she uses it. They could have | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
given it to someone who uses Tesco. Do they sell hay in Tesco? | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
She seems delighted, doesn't she? She seems to have got over the upset | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
with the Chinese from earlier in the week. | :13:59. | :14:00. | |
And he very much. That is it from us tonight. All the front pages are | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
online on the BBC News website, where you can read a detailed review | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
of the papers. That is all there for you seven days a week UK. | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
And you can see us there as well, with each night's edition of the | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
programme being posted on the page shortly after we finish. | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
And you, Jason and Emily. From all of us, goodbye. -- thank you. | :14:23. | :14:35. | |
Good evening. Many parts of the country once again enjoying a lot of | :14:36. | :14:43. | |
warmth and that strong May sunshine, but there were exceptions in the | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
south-west and Channel Islands. Temperatures leapt into | :14:47. | :14:48. |