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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
With me here in the studio is Toby Young, Associate Editor | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
for The Spectator, and political commentator, Jo Philips. | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
And joining us from Edinburgh is David Torrance | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
Tomorrow's front pages, starting with | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
The Daily Mail front page celebrates the Leave vote - | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
their picture has jubilant crowds and the headline "Take a bow | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
The Express has more on the resignation of David Cameron | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
and names Boris Johnson as the favourite to take over | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
The Times describes today's events as a "Brexit Earthquake." | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
It also features a picture of David Cameron and his wife | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
The Telegraph describes yesterday's vote as the "Birth | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
It says Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are preparing a bid | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
to take control of the Conservative party. | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
The Guardian simply says: "Over and Out" as it wraps up key events | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
from today's decision to leave the EU. | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
The Daily Mirror has a picture of an anguished looking | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
Samantha Cameron as she watches her husband resign - | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
asking 'So what the hell happens now? | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
The Sun focusses on the career of David Cameron and why he has | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
And the Scottish Daily Mail has the headline: "Disunited Kingdom." | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
It says the result of today's referendum has torn Britain apart. | :01:28. | :01:37. | |
Last night, about ten o'clock, Nigel Farage called it for Remain. When we | :01:38. | :01:50. | |
you convinced? The first indication that the exit poll and Ipsos MORI | :01:51. | :02:01. | |
were wrong was the result from Sunderland. Also the result from | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
Newcastle where Remain on but not by the margin expected. Brexit | :02:09. | :02:21. | |
earthquake, the Prime Minister announces his resignation. David, I | :02:22. | :02:30. | |
want to come to the idea of a second Independent referendum later but the | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
fact is, the UK is massively divided and Scotland already looks like | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
another country? Yes, this is part of an ongoing process. I have | :02:43. | :02:52. | |
covered this for the past few years. It doesn't feel like another country | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
and you cannot argue with the differential vote like that. | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
Scotland voted overwhelmingly for Remain although 40% did back Leave. | :03:04. | :03:15. | |
The other two quarters of the country, south, voted decisively for | :03:16. | :03:24. | |
the Mac that I say decisively but it was quite narrow. -- Leave. It makes | :03:25. | :03:37. | |
it question opinion polls again and again? Yes, I remember talking not | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
so many days ago about the pressure on the pollsters because they got it | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
so wrong. Even the private polling that hedge funds and investment were | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
doing was still not accurate because we saw that great surge yesterday on | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the money market which tumbled overnight and then came back. | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
Clearly, they were banking on Remain, just by a whisker. There | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
will be questions about the polling but I still think many people went | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
to the polling booth and actually had not made up their mind until | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
they got there and any conversation any of us have had, and it is | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
fantastic that it has energised people talking about politics on | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
something about such huge importance for generations to come but there | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
were people wobbling to the very end. The Daily Mail, take a bow | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
Britain. It was a day the quiet people rose above an elite. It goes | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
on to talk about the tumultuous defence of our time. Given that this | :04:51. | :04:59. | |
has divided people so deeply, now is the time to try to bring everybody | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
together but how do we do that? Precisely. As Peter Hensley said | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
Hurley today, the constitutional historian, it is about resetting the | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
dials and there is a great chance here, actually, for the reshaping of | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
British politics. It is absolutely ridiculous that the male talks about | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
the quiet people of Britain rising up against an arrogant elite class | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
and mangoes on page after page praising Michael Gove and Boris | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Johnson who are part of that political class. It is clear, after | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
nonsense but what I think is needed is a lot less of these jingoistic | :05:41. | :05:48. | |
celebration and a lot of sensible calm and what happens next, it is | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
about negotiations. What is the plan? It is true that Michael Gove | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
and Boris Johnson are members of the political class but it is also true | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
that they managed to harness a popular revolt against the | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
establishment and one of the reason Remain did not do better is because | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
David Cameron made no attempt to try and dress up the Remain campaign as | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
anything other than the establishment defending the status | :06:21. | :06:30. | |
quo. He made a mistake by lining up the IMF, the Treasury, the president | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
of the US but make it enabled Boris and Michael to whip up popular | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
resentment and it is not just a phenomenon confined to Britain, use | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
it across America and Europe as well. How much of the winners been | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
able to celebrate given the fact that immediately Nigel Farage was | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
asked when does the NHS get the money, when does immigration get | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
code and the answer is our, not yet or maybe not ever. Nigel Farage was | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
not part of the official campaign. He is not an MP. We are not about to | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
find ourselves in Nigel Farage's Britain... But a lot of people will | :07:16. | :07:25. | |
actually say that Nigel Farage has dominated. He is the person that has | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
energised and that if it was not for him we would never have had a | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
referendum. Scotland went through this with a close vote with the | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
independence referendum, arguably Scotland was very divided. How | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
deeply have those divisions remained over the last few months? There are | :07:50. | :07:59. | |
two rising cases. People will tell you it was very divisive and nasty | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
those on the losing side would tell you it was a festival of democracy | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
and uplifting. The truth is somewhere in between. Both accounts | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
are caricatures. In a polarised referendum, which is essentially | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
about existential question of who you are, your identity and the | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
future of the country. Of course, it is game to be divisive. There was no | :08:29. | :08:40. | |
room for nuance or middle way. My overwhelming sense was deja vu. The | :08:41. | :08:51. | |
legitimisation of experts and the media and fax was all horribly | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
familiar but they were good signs as well. The turnout was high. Not as I | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
as it was a few years ago in Scotland but previously it was a | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
much more salient issue but anything that engages the proportion of the | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
election... The other thing that came out of the Scottish referendum | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
is this rejuvenation with new leaders. We saw the demise of Murphy | :09:21. | :09:28. | |
but look at Davidson coming out as a new superstar. It is quite striking | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
that the two most impressive operators in the British Isles are | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
Davidson and the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. Cast your mind back | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
to 1999 when the experiment was first embarked upon. It was said | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
that Scottish politicians will no longer have a place in the UK stage | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
that turned out to be far from the truth or stop although it looks very | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
different now, we have a very high profile figure. The Daily Express | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
and The Sun, we are out of the EU. The Express comes to us pretty early | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
on. Boris as next piano. We do not know. And we can gloss over the | :10:18. | :10:30. | |
David Cameron story. Why should he hang around? Given that he does not | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
believe in Britain's withdrawal from the EU and given that there is going | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
to be a lot of hard work to be done to work out what the new settlement | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
is, what the new relationship is with the EU, it is understandable he | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
did not want to do that. But he is the one who is responsible for | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
bringing the referendum in the first place. He did not need to. He could | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
have said, I hear to govern. He may not have won the election if he had | :11:04. | :11:13. | |
not agreed to hold the referendum. What of the ways the story is | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
reported is slightly jumping the gun. The headline, we are out of the | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
EU. Everywhere it has been reported as a foregone conclusion. That has | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
been the will of British people but it is much will likely I think that | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
the leaders of the European Union will now come back and make a | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
different offer, some form of associate membership which is | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
probably what David Cameron should have gone for. Surely, if that is | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
the case, people who voted to get out, will say that is not what we | :11:49. | :11:57. | |
voted for. As of yet, Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty has not been | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
evoked. It is not have to be triggered for ages and ages. We are | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
ready had various European leaders are saying, you decided to go so go | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
and you can understand that they want to do it and you can also | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
understand the thinking behind the opinion in other European countries, | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
as we have seen by the congratulations by Le Pen and other | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
right wing parties to sway other right wig nations to do the same. Of | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
course they want negotiations quite quickly because there are also | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
elections coming up in Spain, Holland and France next year but | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
this is about who is going to negotiate. Clearly, David Cameron | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
who has a ready said long before this, that he would step down before | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
the end of this Parliament cannot be in a position to negotiate and it is | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
a two-year minimum deal if we use Article 50. There is an article in | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
the FT which talks about whether Scotland or even Northern Ireland | :13:05. | :13:13. | |
could do what Denmark has done an it stayed in their EU but parts of his | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
kingdom, Greenland, decided to leave. The Fera Islands as well. | :13:19. | :13:29. | |
That is in a similar situation. The point to make is the European Union | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
is a highly flexible political organisation and even if we set | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
out... And the truth is, I am old enough to remember German | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
reunification, it was dealt with in a matter of months. A newly expanded | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
Germany. I think they called it internal enlargement. I think, the | :13:53. | :14:05. | |
First Minister spoke about this this morning, she is going to engage | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
directly with Russell and she will seek what the mood is there and how | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
willing they are to be flexible in their approach to the bits of the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
UK, and it might even include London... | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
The Mirror says, what happens now? Day one of Brexit Britain. The pound | :14:25. | :14:32. | |
fell sharply, but then there was a rally and be saw a huge amount wiped | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
off shares and the losses were catastrophic, we were told. Some | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
people who voted for Leave were surprised that this had happened, | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
then they said, if I had known that this was going to happen and my vote | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
would actually count it would have voted to Remain. How many have some | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
people being? I think taking back your democratic rights does take | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
courage because there are always risks involved. Sometimes, the | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
following day, when you become more aware of what those risks are, you | :15:08. | :15:17. | |
get a bit of buyers' remorse. The FTSE 100 did finish 2% up on the | :15:18. | :15:25. | |
week. But what is the plan? I heard Brexit campaigners saying that what | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
we need to do is gather round are some experts, business leaders and | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
lawyers. But a lot of people were saying, the reason I voted to leave | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
is because I am sick of hearing from experts. The plan, as Boris set out | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
in his original column in the Daily Telegraph in which he declared that | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
he would be campaigning for Leave, was to try and get the British | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
public to reject the EU in the hope that the EU would then come back | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
with an offer not just for us but for everyone. I think the reason why | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
that would fly is because the result was so close and you can't have an | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
outcome which just favours one side. It has got to be a compromise. It | :16:12. | :16:22. | |
was so close. I don't think that Nicola Sturgeon is going to trigger | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
a second referendum before she knows what the final agreement between | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
Britain and the EU would need. Wouldn't that be sensible? Of | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
course, what it is high stakes. It would be high stakes. Extremely high | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
stakes. And it would be sensible, to go back to your analogy, there | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
should be a cooling off period. It is frightening. Did you want to take | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
out the extra warranty? Not at that price! In actual fact there will be | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
people who don't realise what they voted for, which doesn't mean they | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
are stupid or ignorant, it just means in the noise over the past few | :17:05. | :17:13. | |
weeks of people shouting and it has been a very badtempered claim, it's | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
a -- campaign, it is amazing so many people turned out to vote. But they | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
do often count on people not turning up. Now there needs to be a bit of | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
time and reflection with precisely that, but does Europe want us to | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
stay that badly? Do they want Jeremy Corbyn or Boris Johnson as a Prime | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
Minister? Unless they come up with a 2-tiered system EU is destined to | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
collapse as there is no appetite among the public of so many European | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
countries to be part of a united Europe. Page six and seven of the | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
Mail. It talks about who the runners and riders are, the people who may | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
or may not want to throw the hat in the ring. How is this looked upon? | :18:05. | :18:13. | |
We know the Conservatives in Westminster elections don't do well. | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
Who is the money on up there? Because Jeremy Corbyn isn't | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
necessarily looking particularly safe, easy? This again highlights | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
the growing distance between Scotland and England. Ruth Davidson | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
a few days ago was having a very effective pop at Boris Johnson at | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
Wembley Stadium, so I think that is one to watch. Does she declare | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
independence effectively from the UK Conservative party, if Boris | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
Johnson, who she clearly doesn't like, becomes leader? And Scottish | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
Labour has already been making noises about becoming even more | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
autonomous from the UK party. But it simply doesn't matter who becomes | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
the next leader of the Conservative party or the Labour Party. The | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
direction of travel in Scotland seems absolutely clear and that's | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
not, as some viewers would know, a partisan point on my part, it is | :19:18. | :19:29. | |
just how it feels. The Daily Record says many are backing a second | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
referendum. Which we will come to! But it just doesn't matter who the | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
next leader is. Does it matter? It might matter for the Scots if it was | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
Michael Gove, because he is a Scot. That's complicated the! It is not | :19:45. | :19:51. | |
fantasy that he is a Scot. It's a fantasy that it makes any idea -- | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
any difference. The fact that Boris Johnson has been identified as the | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
bookies' favourite, at one point you could have been 9:1 against Leave | :20:06. | :20:13. | |
winning last night. But the Conservative party, and we talk | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
about divisions, the Conservative party again was with the part by | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
Europe. Exactly. Let's rewind to three or four minutes ago when we | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
were talking about the sensible option of having a second referendum | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
on the sensible associated membership. You are then going to | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
have the same anguish in the Conservative party about whether you | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
would vote for that. I think actually whoever leaves the | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
Conservative Party or whoever leads the country needs to heal this | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
hideous rift. -- leads the Conservative Party. As promised a | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
want to talk quickly about the disunited kingdom. The Scottish | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
version of The Daily Mail. I mean, what is it necessary for us to do | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
this today? We know that we should be thinking about it, was she under | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
a lot of pressure to start talking about the second referendum? Yes, | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
there is certainly pressure within the party. Some in the party are | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
very impatient for a second referendum. Alex Salmond is one of | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
them. Nicola Sturgeon is seen as a more cautious figure, but this | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
morning she went much further than certainly I expected and many other | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
observers, although there were a lot of caveats. It isn't going to happen | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
soon. I think what she will do is take that timeframe, the formal | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
notification withdrawal wouldn't be made for some time. There's at least | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
two years after that to play with. I think what the Nicola Sturgeon plan | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
is, this is just conjecture and I often get these things wrong, is | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
that she will aim for another independence referendum shortly | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
before the formal point of withdrawal with the UK and the | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
timing will be such that it allows Scotland, if independence is | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
sanctioned in-out referendum, to remain a continuing member of the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
European Union. I have to emphasise the idea that any of that is | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
straightforward or easy is not the case and indeed the First Minister | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
made that point this morning. I think she will find it quite | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
difficult to do that. For one reason, the Prime Minister announced | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
today that she would be involved in the negotiation process. That makes | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
it easier. She has a direct involvement in the process. But it | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
makes it harder if she sanctions the final settlement, he then urged the | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
Scottish people to reject it. Another reason she will find it | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
difficult to call a second referendum is if the voice was | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
between the United Kingdom which has a new and better relationship with | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
the EU, or at the Scotland becoming independent and joining the EU, it | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
would be like a choice between being part of a democratic union and being | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
part of an undemocratic union. A democratic union with a hereditary | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
head of state. Let us quickly... Does a couple of minutes. This | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
French newspaper, good luck, it says, with a picture of Boris | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
hanging from a zip wire. It says... Stunned? Paralysed, actually. Many | :23:22. | :23:30. | |
questions. Yes. The countries in the EU after victory, led by Boris | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
Johnson. You could argue whether this is tongue in cheek. Woodlark, a | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
man on a zip wire? -- good luck. Better Boris Johnson that Marine Le | :23:47. | :23:57. | |
Pen. Yes. They are cheering this. One comment from each of you. | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
Somebody reading the news. Good evening. Aliens didn't land on Earth | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
and Elvis wasn't found alive. But everything else happened. It has | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
been monumentally surprising for some people, hasn't it? Yes. To | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
clinch it all, Donald Trump was in Scotland today, he arrived this | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
morning, seemingly unaware of the fact that different parts of the UK | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
voted differently. We didn't have aliens or Elvis, but we had Donald | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
Trump. I think it has been astonishing. It is nothing like a | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
general election that any of us have covered. As Dale --a staggering day. | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
One of the peculiarities to add to the Donald Trump thing is the sequel | :24:45. | :24:52. | |
to Independence Day came out tomorrow. | :24:53. | :24:53. | |
Thank you, Toby Young, Jo Philips and David Torrance. | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
I know you are all rather tired. We appreciate you being here. | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
We should all see a bit of sunshine at times this coming weekend. Still | :25:02. | :25:21. | |
some rain in the mix. We had that mixed during Friday as well. Some | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
areas, just say whether Cumulus | :25:28. | :25:28. |